The wonderful people on blatantmisogyny are calling one of your threads "misogyny"

gratis_eekhoorn · 2024-05-02T04:48:22+00:00

Do not go to the linked sub, brigading is against reddit's rules.

EL_overthetransom · 2024-05-02T01:42:55+00:00

Fucking Christ. Any man saying half the shit they spew would get the sub banned. So sick of having to be better and still getting shit on.

Poseidonsbastard · 2024-05-02T00:59:50+00:00

Is any man allowed to push back against this, no matter how gently or politely, without being called a misogynist?

Like I feel like I’m being gaslit here. It doesn’t feel good to be thought of as a terrifying monster. And I want women to feel safe, I get the point they’re making. But like…why do I have to gladly accept being blatantly dehumanized or else I’m a scary, evil sexist piece of shit?

I am legitimately open to explanation here.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2024-05-02T04:22:55+00:00

Simple counter question to someone dumb enough to try this. “Why does the guys race matter?”

They really hate confronting the fact that they're engaging in race realism, just swapped out for gender, huh.

lastfreethinker · 2024-05-02T02:29:46+00:00

None of those people are worth your time. I don't even engage with this stupid scenario, if anyone asks me I will tell them the truth and move on.

wish2boneu2 · 2024-05-02T04:03:00+00:00

The fine gentlemen over at LeftWingMaleAdvocates have put forth a theory that they can pull a “gotcha” on women in the “bear vs man” debate. Except it doesn’t even make sense. The color of a man’s skin has literally no bearing (lol, pun intended) on why women choose the bear over a man. If a guy tried to pull this “gotcha” on me in real life, I would just be super confused. I don’t even think I’d want to argue with him, and just end the conversation and go far away from him. His little theory sounds insane and nonsensical. The point is women don’t want to be alone in the woods with ANY unknown man.Side note, the subreddit’s title confuses many people, but the name is a joke. They think it’s another “gotcha” to call themselves “left wing” in a subreddit solely dedicated to extremely regressive and misogynistic right wing talking points.They are really, really bad at “gotchas”. They just look like big dum dums.

Still picking g[sic] the bear femicide doesn't pick races of people men are men regardless of color 🙄

The worse thing about that post and the comments aren't the awful opinions (though they are bad), it is how unbearably smug they all are. r\Mensrights is often fairly awful, but at least they don't use emojis (cause emojis add to the smugness).

Edit: Also find it really funny how ironic that first comment is. As if that sub isn't filled with 'regressive right wing talking points' and 'really, really bad gotchas'.

cosmofaustdixon · 2024-05-02T01:53:27+00:00

They seemed to have "successfully" gatekeeped everyone here out of being Leftist as well. Guess y'all will just have to bow before women and profess your Gynolatry to be admitted out of the far right camp.

[deleted] · 2024-05-02T05:29:52+00:00

The shortcomings of that argument aside, how the fuck is criticism of a scathing view of men = to a negative view of women, much less "blatant" misogyny? How could that even remotely be conceived of as hatred of women? And how has the fact that, by misogynist, they mean nothing more than anyone that disagrees with whatever opinions are in vogue among young women, not dawned upon them yet? Are they that far removed from reality? Their worldview is reminiscent of that of a borderline with comorbid narcissism: if you have but the most innocuous disagreement with them on the ideas on which their identity is founded, and from which they derive their ego, it means you're evil and hate them, so much so that they find it more than appropriate to christen you with the same handle they use for Oskar Dirlewanger.

OddSeraph · 2024-05-02T01:36:26+00:00

If they wanna find real misogyny they should check out their friends at "not like the other girls".

Seriously you ever notice that they will do their best not to call out the bigotry (racism/white feminism, misogyny, misandry, transphobia, biphobia, homophobia) in their own spaces/movement?

ambidextrousmind · 2024-05-02T02:04:15+00:00

Terminally-online feminists infantilize other women more than anybody else does. You can't criticize them without it necessarily being misogyny.

Just let it be, in the final analysis of things their foolishness will be blatantly obvious to everyone else.

ObserverBlue · 2024-05-02T04:40:33+00:00

Unrelated to your post, OP: Good lord, I'm seeing this "man vs bear" crap spread across Reddit. As if the usual hysteria of mainstream Reddit regarding misogyny wasn’t annoying enough. Fortunately I've seen plenty of comments in some subreddits calling out the stupidity of this crap.

Back on topic: arguments that highlight the inherent bigotry of the comparison fail because these people don't see men as actual humans in this context. It's a specific form of dehumanization that works well with misandry.

pachacuti092 · 2024-05-02T04:56:01+00:00

It’s pretty amazing to see how blatantly racist a lot of white feminists are, especially to MOC

Professional-You2968 · 2024-05-02T01:40:18+00:00

Who cares? The opinions of those people are worthless.

Johntoreno · 2024-05-02T13:30:51+00:00

Its amusing how they parade around their helplessness as if its something to brag about "I'm so emotionally fragile that i get paranoid&terrified whenever i'm around strangers of the opposite sex, HA! TAKE THAT!". Yea i get it, ya'll have the emotional maturity of a child, so what? Men can't fix your emotional shortcomings.

“Left Wing Male Advocates” a sub for misogynists who want Medicare for All.

Oh come on, did you feministas forget the "Nazi Incel" bit?? I feel like we're not being taken seriously, boys we gotta get back to work with more "misogynistic" posts like "Empathy for male victims of war", "Preventing male suicide" and "Banning Male infant genital cutting" etc

ChimpPimp20 · 2024-05-02T02:03:21+00:00

A copied post I made on blatantmisandry about this topic:

I realize I'm gonna come off pretty ignorant right now but this shit doesn't make any sense. I can understand the concept of a bear being a bear and not being able to sleuth it's way into a woman's life undetected the same way a man can. However, in the situation of an attack a bear can do way more damage than a human. No amount of martial arts is going stop a bear attack.

We teach young women at a young age that biting and a kick to the groin can put a man in his place (that's just basic training). There's actually one story I heard of a woman getting attacked and biting his shoulder so hard to the point where her teeth connected. The man later died in the hospital. You can't do that to a bear. It'll just make it angrier. So what do you do when someone chases you? You run. What if you can't run? Fight. What do you do when a bear chases you? Run. What if you can’t run? Bear spray. What if that doesn't work? Get in a fetal position and protect your abdomen and head. You can use bear spray on a human but not pepper spray on a bear. Bears can run over 30mph but the fastest man can barely hit 27mph. I’ve also known roommates who have been jumped and chased by other guys. I’m pretty sure they’d pick human since they would actually have a fighting chance. Inmates would for certain pick other inmates as a cellmate than to be put in a cell with bears. Also certain guns also don't have the same affect on bears. I shouldn't have to connect the dots for you here. I think you get it.

So if this whole choose the bear trend were factual, we would see more people picking fights with bears and not with each other. Guys tend to pick fights with other guys (even the larger ones). It's only the Russians that will fuck with bears. The only reason these women are saying bear is because we’ve become apex to the point where our predators are from our very own species. This doesn’t mean that you’re better off with a bear. Case and point: human attacks have plenty of survivors. Bear attacks? Not so much.

The only way I can see this making sense is the notion of if you leave the bear alone then it leaves you alone. But even that isn’t always the case considering they might be hungry or protective of their cubs. It all depends. But overall, the math doesn't equate. If men are typically stronger than women and even men wouldn't fight a bear, then what does that tell you about the bear? Let's go geek. If the Hulk was too scared to fight Thanos, then what does that tell the Avengers and the audience about Thanos? If they were talking about Yogi Bear then I would be fully on board. I'd take Yogi over a man or a woman.

Edit: added some stuff

LAdams20 · 2024-05-02T11:14:10+00:00

The project of global white supremacy often required the support of white women and used the language of women’s rights to justify the oppression of Blacks and imperial conquest throughout Asia.

The British feminism of the late 19th was not immune to the myth of a superior British national culture and empire. The historian Antoinette Burden explains that British feminists such as Millicent Fawcett, Josephine Butler, and Mary Carpenter built an image of womanhood deserving of suffrage by embracing the idea of Indian women as enslaved and primitive in need of civilization.

[In her book: Burdens of History; British Feminists, Indian Women, and Imperial Culture, 1865-1915. This study of British middle-class feminism in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, explores an important but neglected historical dimension of the relationship between feminism and imperialism. Demonstrating how feminists in the United Kingdom appropriated imperialistic ideology and rhetoric to justify their own right to equality, she reveals a variety of feminisms grounded in notions of moral and racial superiority.]

American suffragettes of the 19th century often made alliances with white racists to advance their cause for women’s rights. In 1868, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony founded The Revolution with the support of the pro-slavery democrat George Francis Train to specifically fight against the enfranchisement of Black men.

Stanton insisted that enfranchised Black men would oppress white women. “If woman finds it hard to bear the oppressive laws of a few Saxon Fathers, of the best orders of manhood, what may she not be called to endure when all the lower orders, natives and foreigners, Dutch, Irish, Chinese, and African, legislate for her daughters,” writes Stanton.

Belle Kearney, a Mississippian suffragette, wrote in 1903 that “The enfranchisement of women would insure immediate and durable white supremacy, honestly attained.”

Will these women be held to the same standard as Cecil Rhodes or Edward Colston?

~ Prof. Tommy J. Curry, University of Edinburgh.

mrBored0m · 2024-05-02T00:31:35+00:00

Didn't read their thread fully. They are retarded. I advise you don't read.

They talk about how OP from our sub is stupid and that they still would pick a bear over ANY man. And yeah Reddit is okay with that disgusting sub.

MissDaphneAlice · 2024-05-02T13:56:50+00:00

These dingbats need to stop listening to true crime dramas all day every day. It's rotting their brains even more.

Wauron · 2024-05-02T03:28:02+00:00

To be honest I also don't agree with the post in this subreddit. It really wasn't a gotcha, there is nothing racist about saying you'd pick the bear over a black man when you'd pick the bear over any kind of man.

Ofc the whole bear vs man thing is still extremely sexist and fueled by misandry. And the comments in that thread prove how toxic their mindset is. Nothing but insults and dehumanization.

BannanasAreEvil · 2024-05-02T18:00:04+00:00

The reason they can retort this is because as they said, it's still asking a "Woman" if she would choose s bear or s black man.

A better example would have been asking a white man if he would rather be in the woods with a bear or black man. Since the only reason he would choose a bear is because of racism.

I mean the white man can justify his answer by using the same stats women are using to justify their choice of the bear.

How many white men are assaulted by bears every year.

How many white men are assaulted by black men every year.

Using statistics to justify his answer just shows blatant racism because it's saying a random black man is more of a threat because less white men are attacked by bears.

Also what a lot of these idiots (and I do mean idiots) fail to see is that they interact with 1000x more men each year then they will ever interact with a bear. If they had to interact with a random bear 10x a day or more they wouldn't live past day 2!

They perceive the bear as less of a threat because they have never been in that situation enough to form that fear. You could replace that bear with great white shark and those idiots would still choose the shark because if misandry and lack of critical thinking skills.

They just don't understand that men are upset because the good ones see thier response as just mean. The only men who say they should pick the bear are the ones who KNOW how evil men can be becsuse THEY possess that evil themselves!

I know some guys are epic POS but I know far far far far more men I would want in the woods with my partner then a bear. So much so that I believe a random man is much safer then a bear. Then again, these women consider a man being "mean" to them as more dangerous then a bear too. So any guy who wouldn't get up to give her his seat, wouldn't let her treat him like garbage, even called her s hurtful name, yeah those men too are more dangerous then a bear.

Come to think about it, maybe it really isn't men who are the ones who suffer from not being in touch with their emotions and needing to be more vulnerable, because those women haven't taken the opportunity themselves to process their emotions properly without resorting to sexism!

Previous_Monitor_710 · 2024-05-02T16:33:12+00:00

Let's just be honest about what's really going on. Women are typically seen as the safer more approachable and less threatening gender. They are on average physically weaker an no that doesn't mean they are incapable of being strong but on average compared to men they aren't as strong. Also according to many feminists men commit most of the violent and sexual crimes so that just plays into the idea of men being the scary gender.

I'm actually curious though if the genders were swapped for a woman instead of a man how many of them would choose a woman over a bear I mean what's the worst case scenario of being alone with a strange woman in a giant forest? Women are given the nenfit of the doubt and let's be honest some women more than lathers but generally women have the privilege of not being assumed an immediate threat by others that's why there isn't a paranoia of being killed or raped by a woman.

I'd be really curious about posing this sort of question also the majority of responses are coming from cishet women anyway. And if you think about it despite women producing less t there are women who have higher t levels and also trans women. There are women who body build so even amongst women there are women who could be more of a physical threat than others so sadly it seems to me like being a strong larger person puts you at a disadvantage but especially for men as their physical strength is used against them for numerous reasons. This is just a classic case of the woman being the victim

If you were to ask me I wouldn't choose the bear. People are only as scary as they want to be because at the end of the day the strongest man or woman couldn't fight a bear with no weapons. Im choosing a human. Me as a trans man I've come to accept I very well could be seen as a threat despite me having no interest in harming anyone but I'd rather fight against that. I'm not gonna let someone's bigotry define me no matter who it comes from and neither should none of you. Right now it seems a lot of men are on the losing side but there's a shift happening and more and more people are becoming aware of misandry.

eli_ashe · 2024-05-02T17:49:28+00:00

their defense on this is 'black men aren't men', coolio.

Misandrist: 'I'd rather choose a bear over any man'

Normal Human: 'what about a black man?'

Misandrist: 'bah, race has nothing to do with it, I hate all men'

Normal Human: 'Don't think that's the comeback you think it is.'

Zess-57 · 2024-05-02T03:25:36+00:00

Tell them the man is actually gender fluid and now feels like a woman, use their logic against them

BloomingBrains · 2024-05-02T16:45:17+00:00

As the OP of the post they are talking about, I find that that thread hilarious. Most of people there don't make any actual argument, just childish remarks. I'm surprised I didn't get call a boogerface or something.

But then there is the fact that the post itself violates on of their rules (rule 6) which I reported it for. I also reported almost every single comment in it for violating rule 6 and 14, because justifying choosing bear over men is hate. Sadly, most of those comments were not removed.

There was also a user even spewing racist shit about black people having higher crime rates so it actually makes sense to fear them more than a bear, proving my point exactly. I reported that comment as well and it actually did get removed by reddit (not even the mods, surprise surprise).

Sometimes that sub shows genuine examples of misogyny (like the guy that divorced his wife over breastfeeding) but that's unremarkable. If you screencap every example of someone mentioning women, some of them are going to be genuine misogyny.

Mitago1 · 2024-05-02T19:45:48+00:00

The questions was great, but i will admit that the ''whole bear or black man'' part was unnecessary and didn't show this sub in the best light.

Also if i was you i wouldn't pay much mind to subreddits like r/BlatantMisogyny or similar ones, the people in the comments of the posts there are often just as toxic as the people they make the posts about.

ProtectIntegrity · 2024-05-03T01:36:43+00:00

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Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2024-05-02T12:53:22+00:00

The argument that they'd rather be with a bear than a man or alone is proof that women cannot be alone.

DeHeydari · 2024-05-02T18:34:52+00:00

I don’t get it? Are men triggered by the biological woman experience? Perhaps standing with them, instead of saying you are them, is a start.. Just a thought.

Title	The wonderful people on blatantmisogyny are calling one of your threads "misogyny"
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