Men lack of masculinity is due porn/masturbation

sootlord · 2021-08-31T21:10:04+00:00

No no. The massive drop in testosterone is primarily because most men are overwieght (we are living in the most comfortable time in human history) Lack of masculinity is because of unrelenting feminism for the last 50 years.

JumboJetz · 2021-08-31T22:28:30+00:00

Men aren’t as masculine because it just doesn’t pay to be masculine anymore in a literal sense. I know a decent amount about computers and get paid a 6 figure salary as a result. I know a little bit about investing and so make money on top of that salary. Do I know how to change a tire? Nope. I can pay someone that.

Because I don’t work in construction or manual labour I’m not getting a “strong mans” body and I’m not becoming very handy like women remember their dads being. I’m also not surrounding myself with men all day talking like men.

The economy doesn’t reward masculinity much anymore so men aren’t the masculine stereotype as much.

This isn’t the whole reason. It’s part of it though.

TotalTravesty · 2021-08-31T21:07:52+00:00

So what if a man manages to have sex with a partner every day, losing the same amount of sperm but inside a woman every time? Are Reddit dudes pitying him and his loss of masculinity too?

This is all really stupid. Masculinity is a concept. Be a person and stop trying to win the approval of internet dorks.

Siegfried66 · 2021-08-31T21:57:10+00:00

What's the issue with men not fulfilling traditional gender roles? I thought the whole point of feminism was to abolish them altogether?

Kaisha001 · 2021-08-31T21:36:04+00:00

Men have been masturbating and looking at porn since we could carve figurines out of stone.

And a lot of that is because porn has became so widespread. what give a man masculinity biologically is testosterone, and testosterone is mainly produced by the testicles and contained into the semen. Every time a man jerks off he looses it and his body needs time to produce it again.

No... this is just nonsense.

here is why a lot of guys on r/nofap or r/semenretention, report how they changed seeing the other sex, and improved their confidence over all.

It's merely the placebo effect + stress.

All the evidence points to plastics in the food supply.

rustjelqing2 · 2021-08-31T22:07:13+00:00

Yeah having a swollen prostate and balls will make you a "real man" in no time. There's something to be said for porn though. Just naked women is probably fine, but watching say some man pound a woman is probably not good. After all you're priming your mind to enjoy that. So when the time comes you'd rather watch that, probably how /r/hotwife came into existence.

Novadina · 2021-08-31T22:13:55+00:00

Every time a man jerks off he looses it and his body needs time to produce it again.

Source? Yes, the testicles produce testosterone, but it’s not “stored in semen”, if you never jack off again you won’t have some super over abundance of testosterone. There is a slight hormone drop after ejaculation, but your body quickly adjusts it, it’s not permanent. There is also a rise in testosterone levels when you have sex or masturbate.

This article discusses it and links to sources: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325418

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-08-31T21:18:43+00:00

We're supposed to be busting nuts, now too much porn and jacking off is not good for you yes but the real issue is obesity, the chemicals and plastics in the water / food, and from the societal standpoint the lack of masculinity that young boys in general receive due to fatherless households and not enough male teachers in the school system, etc.,

NockerJoe · 2021-08-31T21:02:54+00:00

I think the more logical response is men are thirstier and lower their standards when horny.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-08-31T23:02:13+00:00

Uhhhh I'm sorry but there's a lot of societal issues for why men lack masculinity and it's probably got the least to do with porn unless you're suggesting that men are compulsively shooting all of their masculinity out of their dick.

Men lack masculinity because they have no good role models for what masculinity looks like, and there are no good role models for masculinity because a lot of what is correlated with masculinity is seen as "bad," and that is mostly due to the current wave of feminism washing over western culture. Also, there doesn't seem to be a good consensus on what masculinity even is, so some people define it as a list of traits that they've been told to believe is what it is, or whatever they think best suits themselves (i.e., men defining masculinity as "things that I do," and women defining masculinity as "things that men do that I like or make me feel more comfortable").

Jaylen-Gads · 2021-08-31T23:06:50+00:00

I remember when the nofap and semen retention movement was at it's peak. Guys thought that if they would not masturbate and not watch porn it would help them get laid more because of this dumbass theory that women can sense and smell your dominance and confidence from your balls but really it just made them even more depressed because they ended up still sucking and being losers at picking up women. Masturbating is healthy for you I think poppy even made a post about this a while back.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-09-01T03:38:13+00:00

Lack of masculinity is because men have no role models to teach them these things. Used to be the role of the father and other males in your extended family. Those are rare these days.

AlienFix · 2021-08-31T21:23:38+00:00

Thats also my theory. There is more porn nowadays but theres also more men turning gay, coincidence?

06534956 · 2021-08-31T21:29:46+00:00

It’s due to conditioning, whether it’s from parents, society, community, TV/media, whatever.

Masculinity is a concept, and then a series of attributes, and then behaviors/actions, and then finally a reflection.

I see little boys and boy toddlers every day who are very masculine already, at least how I define it. They want to help out, show off, problem solve, and figure things out on their own.

There was a viral video recently of a little boy and his toddler sister on the nanny cam. The sister wanted to get out of her crib and sleep in bed with him, and bring her baby doll and blanket too. She stated her desires, and he helped her out. It was adorable, and (IMO) a great example of the natural masculinity within boys and how men and women should work together.

People just forget, or unlearn, or override what is natural to them.

Adaptoh · 2021-08-31T22:14:13+00:00

Porn and masturbation does have a part in the lack of masculinity in the world, but its not the only cause and more-so apart of the accumulation of other factors.

Such as, being unhealthy, social media, participation trophy generation, etc.

Moral_Conundrums · 2021-08-31T21:37:14+00:00

Is there any proof on this, or is this just in your head? Other than anecdotes that mean nothing.

superlurkage · 2021-08-31T21:39:07+00:00

Right, because men never jerked off before porn existed /s

mairomaster · 2021-08-31T22:43:04+00:00

and contained into the semen. Every time a man jerks off he looses it and his body needs time to produce it again.

This is one of the most retarded things I've seen on this sub ever. You don't even have the slightest idea about biology and how those things work.

rivetcitymayor · 2021-08-31T23:33:45+00:00

Best way for men to drop their standards is to not fap for a couple weeks but as soon as you cum, you’ll come to your senses

AidsVictim · 2021-09-01T00:56:04+00:00

Testosterone levels can spike (or crash) from a lot of events but it always normalizes (i.e. working out raises it shortly but then dips for a bit), overall I really doubt it has anywhere near a comparable effect to xenohormones or just being fat as fuck.

Psychologically fucking a woman is much more impactful and necessary in developing a masculine personality. Any level of (healthy) sexual socialization is generally useful in that aspect.

Fridric_Magnus · 2021-09-01T02:45:12+00:00

Men have always masturbated and looked at porn whenever they could; there's a reason there was a big fucking moral panic about it that resulted in circumcision catching on in North America. So not that much has changed. What however has changed is that men have grown more sedentary and vastly fatter, they have also been growing up under a cultural-ideological hegemony that's been extremely hostile to any form of masculinity but the utterly toothless and ineffectual (and among action heroes, a ridiculous, impossible ideal that no man could possibly emulate and learn from), hobbling countless young men before they even started.

From my own anecdotal experience, my masturbation and porn consumption flowed from my mental state (i.e. when I am doing well psychologically, I naturally engage in both less, as well as literally all other forms of easy dopamine fix), and while I don't doubt there is room for the possibility that it can reinforce a bad state, I think your causation is backwards.

Taipanshimshon · 2021-09-01T03:05:27+00:00

Nah.

It's due to lack of physical conflict

just_a_place · 2021-09-01T03:20:47+00:00

testosterone is mainly produced by the testicles and contained into the
semen. Every time a man jerks off he looses it and his body needs time
to produce it again.

Someone failed biology.

Semen retention increases your chances of prostate cancer.

Liberal_On_Guns · 2021-09-01T04:04:00+00:00

If we're keeping it real, it's because of single moms, public education, and the medicalizing of boyhood.

You're giving a vast oversimplification. Things that contribute to T-levels are age, genetics, diet, sleep, sedentary lifestyle, overtraining, medication, etc. Yes, jacking it too much can lower T-levels temporarily. But is jacking it too much alone going to cause your T-levels to tank? Doubtful. You can expect a modest increase in your T-levels from nofap, but YMMV, and I'm doubtful that you will go from dork to Chad simply because you stop watching porn.

Your concern with porn should be with psychosomatic ED. Men simply being uninterested in sex with real women, and developing an inability to get an erection at a young age. So yeah, too much porn has an impact on your confidence and how you see the other sex, but attributing the current crisis in masculinity to porn is missing the forest for a single tree.

Also, there's more to masculinity than T-levels anyway. Though, I'm a supporter of TRT, so I definitely agree that keeping your hormones at optimum levels is highly beneficial.

Nihi1986 · 2021-09-01T04:32:01+00:00

It's not due to porn, it's mostly due to how men are educated and socialized (and feminism).

Gilmoregirlin · 2021-09-01T13:43:18+00:00

I think part of this has nothing to do with sex, but also that a lot of men are just not able to fully function in society as adults, and I guess in prior times we may refer to some of these things as "masculinity" but I often call them survival skills. I will give you some examples: how to change a tire on your car, where the shut off valve is on your toilet, how to put washer fluid in your car, how to mow the lawn, how to be respectful when you are dining out at a nice place. I cannot tell you how many men these days lack these basic skills. I don't know if it's about men being raised by Mom's ( My Dad and Mom both knew how to do these things and equally taught them to me) or what the deal is. So I don't think it's just sexual things. But women are the total opposite and most young girls can do all of these and then some.

Substantial-Dick · 2021-09-01T20:56:36+00:00

I 100% agree, porn addiction and excessive masturbation are killing testosterone.

IOportA · 2021-08-31T22:11:34+00:00

If you stop watching porn then you start thinking women are special, which is very, very bad for dating.

Watch porn and remember women will do buttsex on camera for the right price.

Carloverguy20 · 2021-09-01T01:16:27+00:00

lol, the manospherians and their obsession with masculinity. Boohoo. Why are y'all so obsessed with gender roles, is cringe and absurd.

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Title	Men lack of masculinity is due porn/masturbation
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Date	August 31, 2021 9:00 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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