Why there are almost no debates between men and feminists?

ZekalMacabre · 2022-08-20T17:07:48+00:00

Because feminists aren't interested in debate.

They think their twisted views are the correct ones and that's that.

4DoorsDownMe · 2022-08-20T17:22:45+00:00

TikTok live streams have a ton of them.

They just end up with the woman having at least 2 guys or girls backing her up, and blocking the men if they lose.

63daddy · 2022-08-20T18:52:34+00:00

Feminists don’t want a free discussion of facts. They want to control the narrative with their propaganda. Getting people to believe their propaganda is central to justifying discrimination against men and boys.

This is precisely why feminist subreddits censor facts and ban MRAs from their forums where this subreddit welcomes free debate and sharing of all relevant information.

There is one subreddit for both MRAs and Feminists, but feminist participation is low. Since they can’t censor, their propaganda gets torn to shreds fairly quickly.

maxjets666 · 2022-08-20T17:05:43+00:00

You can't have a discussion with irrational people.

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-08-20T17:40:16+00:00

“When misinformed beliefs infect both identity and ego there is no room for truth.” -DirtyPartyMan (Original Quote)

Brusanan · 2022-08-20T21:34:21+00:00

Feminist don't debate. They win arguments by screaming the loudest until people just stop arguing with them. If that doesn't work they slander and deplatform their opponents.

Feminism and other SJW movements are specifically designed to make discussing important topics impossible.

AverageHorribleHuman · 2022-08-20T22:24:49+00:00

Feminist view themselves as inherently correct, so debate serves no function, hence to question their views is assumed to be from a point of misogyny. Much like vegans, they have no interest in honest debate, just agreement in their struggle against invented enemies in society

Men and women need to work together to incite change, we need to stop treating each other as enemies, but comrades that want a common goal of equality for all people's of all types.

pearl_harbour1941 · 2022-08-20T16:44:02+00:00

Feminists do not like discussions. Feminism is not designed to be logical, and feminists do not like women to be held accountable.

This means that trying to pin a feminist down on a meaning (such as describing what feminism actually is) results in evasion, non-sequiturs and eventually ad hominems.

Simple facts destroy almost all the wild claims that feminism makes. The only way around this is to claim that facts are sexist or racist, and therefore must be ignored.

"1 in 3 women will be raped in their lifetime!"

"Actually, reliable data shows it is 1 in 52,000"

"You hate women! Sexist!"

Albino478 · 2022-08-20T17:34:15+00:00

Feminists do not want to have discussions, they want to blame. it's near impossible to reason with them from my experience. Like hell, you state simple facts like women could go to college in the 1800's, they just lose it and start making shit up in an effort to claim women didn't go because of men for some reason. They don't care about facts, they don't care about history, and they certainly don't care to debate.

The movement is so unreal self entitled they can't see more than 6 minutes into the future, all they see is red.

bifewova234 · 2022-08-20T17:18:00+00:00

I don't see much debate on Reddit in general.

mcc9999 · 2022-08-20T20:47:07+00:00

For the same reason there's no debate between Nazis and Jews.

prayforblood · 2022-08-20T19:06:38+00:00

"it's not my job to educate you"

-feminists line towards me before she blocked me on everything

When clearly I haven't looked at exactly the same evidence as her and come to a different conclusion. A majority of them believe there's only one rigid answer to the world's problems and it seems to be the patriarchy

blaizken_420 · 2022-08-20T18:46:24+00:00

Debates aren't allowed. Questioning feminist dogma is simply censored.

Raining_Hope · 2022-08-20T16:50:42+00:00

I think there's a block on a lot of open discourse between groups of people. But it's really easy to see among women supporting women's issues.

The ideas as I've heard them are: -"If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem." Meaning there's no point talking to you, your already wrong. -"if you don't have a ____, then you don't have an opinion, or your opinion doesn't count." From feminists it is usually a body part that is only related to being female.
-"you don't understand because you're a man." Or "men are too dumb to understand." This reasoning exists among many groups. Can't understand because you are x religion, or because you are y political party. Or because you aren't a college grad, or even much more racists kinds of thinking. When it comes to feminism though the reasoning is simple in being sexist towards men and devaluing them as a whole for not understanding women.

Again most of these things can occur between any groups of people that disagree with reach other. And the world is growing more and more secluded into only groups that agree with you type of thing. But with feminists it's a lot easier to see, because all of these blocks on open discussion are easy to see, commonly used, and applied to one of the widest population, (half the population. Not many demographics are larger then dividing us up by sex).

The other reason is probably because men and women often communicate and think differently. This makes it a lot more difficult to have open debates and discussions when both sides are conversing based on different rules and guidelines.

LastSleep4274 · 2022-08-20T20:44:27+00:00

I have had one it didn't go so well, she yelled and walked off but i feel that would be the general way all convos would go so i stopped talking to them

odysseytree · 2022-08-20T18:17:05+00:00

They resort to verbal attacks and name calling instead of arguing facts. They never attack the argument and only attack the person and his background.

They come with exceptions to the rule to prove the general rule which you cannot. Exceptions are the minority of example and general rule is the majority. You can't use minority to prove the majority.

They group together to attack the person instead of his arguments. At this point, it's become pointless to talk further. These name calling attacks are deflections to skip the topic.

Smooth_Ad_7227 · 2022-08-20T19:50:39+00:00

Because feminism is a totalitarian ideology.

SDSS_J0100_2802 · 2022-08-20T20:44:05+00:00

The Red Pill - Cassie Jaye. A documentary by a feminist looking into the world of mens rights.

She also has a TED talk on YouTube

Search Youtube for Norah Vincent

NeoNotNeo · 2022-08-20T21:14:40+00:00

For the same reason you don’t debate Scientologists.

Lightning77Plus · 2022-08-21T00:05:18+00:00

You can't debate that which is offended by your very existence.

Inevitable-Mix-8552 · 2022-08-20T16:35:14+00:00

Accountability is a womans kryptonite

WiiWynn · 2022-08-20T18:27:42+00:00

Well, censorship. I’ve attempted to argue on Reddit and get the comments routinely removed or banned.

Most platforms aren’t free speech platforms and to be viewed as supporting or enabling misogyny in this political climate is a bit of corporate suicide.

Jordan Peterson (and Joe Rogan) has amassed a following and somewhat difficult to censor because of that. Censoring him would be too blatant of an attack who’s motive is censorship, which is also generally despised in supposed free countries. So they can only censor the nobodies (which is a lot of people) and so it seems Jordan Peterson is like this single quack job with controversial ideas.

pacsatonifil · 2022-08-20T19:19:16+00:00

Because most of us have been told we are misogynists, chauvinist, sexist, simply because we point out men also need help.

jomfas · 2022-08-20T22:46:33+00:00

I've tried having real honest discussions about these issues with feminists, but everytime they make you feel like and misogynist. It also feels like social suicide to do it – one is just supposed to not question thier views.

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-08-20T22:58:49+00:00

Yep. They can't argue in favor of their points cos there is no point to make. Just pure propaganda. They can only censor and smear like the bunch of cowards they are.

beleidigtewurst · 2022-08-20T19:28:01+00:00

(mainstream) Feminist debates are won by bulling / silencing each other EVEN BETWEEN FEMINISTS.

Perhaps it has something to do with the way women normally interact. Dissent comes off as offense/attack, I guess.

And then there are equity feminists; Cathy Young, Christina Sommers (has "Factual Feminist" channel on YT), Camille Paglia

You can find Sommers - Roxxane Gay debate, perhaps.

Fuck google, but I cannot find it. I guess our liberazi overlords didn't like it.

Anyhow, it was rather embarrassing to watch.

randomusername1934 · 2022-08-20T17:19:46+00:00

First off your question sounds a lot like a troll/bait - but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that it isn't for now. The problem is that the vast majority of feminists don't seem to want a debate; they start from the position that their ideas are self evidently correct and that anyone who opposes them can only do so because they are evil and/or stupid. If you start from a position like that then the only kind of debate you can have is to have your opponent announce his/her evil or stupidity and beg for forgiveness. Certainly going from my experience trying to talk to feminists that seems to be what they want - and anything that isn't kowtowing to them is just seen as further evidence of your evil and stupidity and/or dismissed without consideration and forgotten. I have personally had feminists recite talking points at me immediately after I have explained how the talking point is based on faulty data/interpretations or are just incorrect. That is not someone that anyone - even the most patient and saintly of people - can talk to for very long; and not somebody that anyone sensible would seek out a discussion with.

Then you have to consider the risk that men take in starting (or even just announcing that they're looking for) that kind of conversation with a feminist. Feminists have absolutely used such conversations (and less) as justification for ruining men's reputation, getting them fired from their work/ejected from their education, slandering them in the press, turning their friends and family against them, and even in some jurisdictions bringing criminal charges against them (usually claiming that simply not being a feminist constitutes calling for violence/hatred against them).

There's nothing for the average non-feminist to gain from having or looking for such a conversation, and even if there was any hope of something good coming from it the potential abuse of power it could lead to (on top of the stress, irritation, and depression that talking to feminists can cause) is just too high a cost for the chance.

WiseBoy_Level100 · 2022-08-20T20:17:09+00:00

Feminists don't want to devate anything. They want to shame you and expose you as a "misogynist". That is, when they're not trying to lecture you like a child because they think their point of view is the absolute truth.

g1455ofwater · 2022-08-20T22:06:03+00:00

Most People aren't interested in being fair so a debate on what is right they don't even care about. Just look at all the people that ingest the news every day taking in one propaganda piece after another demonizing citizens and glorifying corrupt people in power.

jagmania85 · 2022-08-21T00:47:22+00:00

Cant talk reason with someone who is just looking for an excuse to hate an entire gender and possibly themselves.

elebrin · 2022-08-21T01:34:35+00:00

It's simply not worth the time.

They WANT you to argue with them. They study rhetoric language. They have tools upon tools for making arguments that, weather they are valid or invalid, will be convincing. They can argue any point they want to make. They memorize chapter and verse some statistics and quotes from books they read.

I don't have those skills. I studied a profession that makes me good money, but not how to argue with people. I was specifically taught when I was growing up to NOT argue with people. I usually just nod, agree, keep my fool mouth shut, and go about my business.

I do occasionally express myself online, and I do when I vote and whatnot, but my views are set and aren't going to change so I see no reason to talk about it. I am more than happy to let someone else convince people. That isn't a skillset I possess or wish to cultivate within myself.

trashtony69 · 2022-08-21T03:48:18+00:00

Feminists don’t want to debate. The majority of them don’t think men face issues.

EricAllonde · 2022-08-21T04:23:45+00:00

Feminism is an ideology based entirely on feelings, while the MRM is built on facts.

Debates are about the facts and that puts feminists at a huge disadvantage, which is why they avoid them.

Note that MRA forums are pro free speech and allow people who disagree to participate and challenge MRA claims etc.

All feminist forums are heavily censored and even minor disagreement with any element of feminist dogma is a bannable offence, for the same reason as above.

tms79 · 2022-08-21T12:08:23+00:00

Feminists avoid debates, because they don't wanna give men's issues any spot light in the public (most men's issues are unknown to the average person) , since this would take away part of the resources and power, that feminism gains with their victimhood.

Asrealasrealcanbe · 2022-08-20T20:29:06+00:00

cause as soon as the men start speaking the feminist accuse them of mansplaining. lol

Stinky_Stephen · 2022-08-20T18:59:59+00:00

Because feminist are big meanies who call people names.

KickedSharf798 · 2022-08-20T21:41:13+00:00

Basically nobody gives a shit about feminism and men's right I think until there is a gender thing in the news or womans day or idk

pappo4ever · 2022-08-20T21:59:23+00:00

There are no debates between jews and nazis either.

mikesteane · 2022-08-21T00:35:09+00:00

Consider what happens if an MRA posts in a place like XX; the post gets removed or they get banned. Now consider what happens when feminists post here: usually, they are met with polite, reasoned rebuttals and, unable to discuss at the level required, they delete the posts themselves. This sort of pattern tends to be reflected in real life as well.

Infinite_joyboi · 2022-08-21T00:48:49+00:00

Because of their magical term “mysogynist”.

MathematicianSad1915 · 2022-08-21T01:49:29+00:00

We agree there is a gender pay Gap. The differences when we look at the numbers and choices of man and woman we understand why. Most of the people picking up garbage, hanging off power lines or designing the trucks and power lines are men. Also add in lot of woman take a year or longer off for there baby's The real problem is the feminist groups are trying to measure women to the metrics we measure men. A successful woman should be judged and how much love she has her own life because that's what feminine energy is all that.

wesg913 · 2022-08-21T01:57:49+00:00

No one is dumb enough to engage with retarded for fear that it rubs off on them. As a man, I know that any serious feminist is well outside of my willingness to engage.

HatchetXL · 2022-08-21T02:27:06+00:00

They have this way of twisting things until your the bad guy and then blowing things up using whatever they just created to insult you against you to everyone around you and, the first lie wins, so often it's just not worth it. Men can have all the greatest points on any topic, solid evidence even or whatever and you will simply never win a discussion with them.

AnonymouslyFlustered · 2022-08-21T02:54:05+00:00

If we were to have a televised official debate what Champion would you suggest we put forth?

LoopyPro · 2022-08-21T03:00:00+00:00

There's not much of a debate to start with if they preemptively resort to ad hominem arguments

StinkyUsedHole · 2022-08-21T03:08:13+00:00

There are plenty of debates, but they usually involve figures that arent the best representatives of men as a whole.

LionVenom10 · 2022-08-21T03:42:19+00:00

How can you debate if any rebuttal of yours would be dismissed as “mansplaining?”

mechajutaro · 2022-08-21T03:53:27+00:00

Why there are almost no debates between men and feminists?

Debates are a lousy means of persuading those who are skeptical and even mildly hostile towards your ideas and goals to come around to your point of view. Much more effective to grab a copy of Chris Voss's book "Never Split The Difference", Leil Lowndes's "How To Talk To Anyone", and also to visit Sam Taggart's YouTube channel+read everything he's written on successful salesmanship. Building rapport and then elucidating for the unconverted the many ways in which "men's issues" are really American issues which effect us all adversely is going to be the way forward

Most of The MRM's leadership has, since '15, been hellbent on demonstrating just how much more eccentric they are than so-called norm-ie society, and trying to APPEAR like the smartest people in the room, by speaking exclusively in Manosphere jargon(Red/Blue/Purple pill, gynocentrism, cultural marxism, simp, etc etc)and then getting angry when the rest of the planet isn't interested in hearing them. This hasn't been remotely effective, in terms of winning the support of a large cross section of America

hear2think · 2022-08-21T04:07:25+00:00

Feminists most likely are only going to debate with someone who they think they can beat in a debate. This is why you can find many videos of Feminist debating Jordan Peterson.

TekatoZikame2 · 2022-08-21T12:54:28+00:00

Same reason you don't put a slobbering toddler against a trained fighter in a cage match.

DouglasMilnes · 2022-08-20T18:35:53+00:00

Your question is badly worded in that it implies there are no feminist men.

Feminists hardly ever engage in debate among themselves: disagreement is usually handled by typical divisiveness, which leads to the huge variety of types of feminism although to outsiders, there is little if any difference between most of the varieties.

Feminism is an ideology with its own Marxist intent for the world. There is no real debate on the core issues because it's like any other dogma: you either agree or there's something wrong with you (one reason why feminists attack the person, not the argument).

One can debate what feminism IS on the outskirts of issues but this is like debating strawmen since feminism has a different public face to the reality of feminist writing, teaching and practice which implements feminism in our societies.

Generally, it is pointless to even try debating a feminist. MRAs have to counter them when advocating for the rights of men, children (and even women) but in that sense, we are usually arguing against feminist lies or dogma, not debating with feminists directly.

GF1386 · 2022-08-20T18:59:16+00:00

Male here. My head would explode. I’d go from 0 to Furious so fast that scientists would have to openly question if there really is a speed limit for light.

nathanv70 · 2022-08-20T20:36:30+00:00

You might enjoy the fresh and fit podcasts

DavidByron2 · 2022-08-20T21:17:11+00:00

Feminists would lose so they don't debate.

Simple as that.

Izalias · 2022-08-20T19:54:14+00:00

Redditsucks_________ · 2022-08-21T01:13:13+00:00

This video right here, but they choose the worst guy possible to represent mras and he seems like a giant strawman.

bwbright · 2022-08-20T20:39:34+00:00

There are. Ben Shapiro's the most popular person I can think of for those debates.

improbableheadshot · 2022-08-20T22:39:57+00:00

no one can get to a proper compromise on this because both sides believe firmly in their ideas and get emotional (angry mostly) when others make good points that contradict their preconceived beliefs. this goes for both sides btw, i watch youtube debates like this often and 95% of the time people yell and talk over each other. there’s no understanding of the other side in any manner, and everyone goes into debates trying to change minds rather than understanding

MelodiousTones · 2022-08-21T03:02:19+00:00

Of course we are interested. You ban us for coming here and engaging with you.

-_Plastic_- · 2022-08-20T22:42:40+00:00

Don't you think it's a good thing that it's difficult to find debates like that? Why would you question why there aren't any debates? Wouldn't you rather distance yourself from negativity like that instead of actually trying to seek it?

JackeTuffTuff · 2022-08-20T19:38:10+00:00

Both, many regard other opinions as mysogyni and won’t debate but there are people on YouTube who oppose feminists though, few videos on them debating feminists

Henry_Blair · 2022-08-21T04:53:53+00:00

They are not open to having a discussion ("shut up and listen"), and they accuse any man who doesn't agree with them on anything as being a women-hater and men are terrified of this lablel because women at large believe this tagging immediately with no questions asked and any guy receiving it is perceived immediately as a potential rapist or murderer, is isolated from women and in life - work, friends - and his life are over. Feminists are radioactive to men. So men have to avoid them at all cost. If a feminist would start a discussion with me in the real world, I'd immediately start recording. Who knows what lies she will spread about me to incite society against me so that no one will see the lies and mistakes in her own statements - and everyone will believe her and not me. I'm facing every feminist and very effectively - but only online in public so everyone could see what actually was said, and only under a pseudonym so she won't be able to spread lies about me and add me to her fascist friends blacklists.

KidRetro_95 · 2022-08-21T06:15:47+00:00

Hard to find because feminists don't like being wrong so they tend to walk away/block people as soon as they aren't dominating the debate

TachyonPhoenix · 2022-08-21T08:07:44+00:00

It's a bit like water and electricity having a fight. No one wins but if you go near it you'll get zapped

Human_Dots · 2022-08-21T08:22:30+00:00

In case you are still reading replies:

I follow [not actively engage with usually, this is a rare occasion for me] multiple subreddits and news outlets from both sides of feminism and men's rights, in the hope that by getting both views my own view is quite balanced.

The reason not a lot of debate is had is usually the views each side hold of each other, I mean read the replies here: "All feminists hate to debate" - "Feminists are too dumb". And you'll see the EXACT same behavior on feminist subs with "All men are misogynistic" - "All men are idiots" etc. etc. You get my point.

Usually, the people most actively engaging in a movement, any movement, tend to be the most passionate and sadly often the more extreme in their views. This leads to a dumb discussion where you either get the extreme "Women are entirely to blame, women are too emotional" type views or "All men are unfeeling assholes, its all men's fault".

Because of this moderate "normal" people often end up being burned at some point having faced these extremes on either side and they end up writing off the other side for debate as a result.

AspirationsOfFreedom · 2022-08-21T08:24:16+00:00

I've had several. And eventually it turns really easy as the same arguments are presented. Eventually they'll go for the "agree to disagree" which is the state of "i cannot argue any better, but i KNOW my views are correct. So i will just try to stop the discussion. :) "

HinduProphet · 2022-08-21T08:41:43+00:00

Just like there is no point in debating with Nazis, there is also simply no point in debating with Feminazis.

OriginalHuckleberry3 · 2022-08-21T15:14:36+00:00

Just pearly things does this a lot

Lui_Le_Diamond · 2022-08-21T15:48:34+00:00

Earth is called Earth in the english language.

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-08-21T17:36:43+00:00

Are feminists not open to discussions or I just simply can't find it?

The former.

StudentOfTheTruth01 · 2022-08-21T22:26:25+00:00

Because feminists know perfectly well that they can only lose and run from any debate. All they are good at is throwing out hate speech against men from the safety of some government sanctioned echo chamber. The moment it would come to actual debate, as in with facts and evidence, they run like cockroaches from light. A perfect examples is in this video. The program "Asian Boss" wanted to stage a debate of feminists with a well known South Korean MRA but it never happened, as the feminists ran. So it became an interview. See at the start at 0:50 and later in the interview when he speaks about how he wants do debate feminists but they always run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzvUEGGiLys&t=96s

YesYesYesVeryGood · 2022-08-22T03:50:00+00:00

They are out there. There is a series online of black men and women debating... or sometimes just plain arguing topics.

Lizard_King0321 · 2022-08-24T12:52:27+00:00

I think it’s cause every time feminism brings up something that is bad for them, it either turns out much worse for men like abuse in households where women are more likely to abuse. or is debunked like the pay gap and then feminism learns to not talk with the other side about that and just push their own narritove

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