UK: A former Met Police deputy commissioner is being investigated after allegedly saying the "bulk" of rape complaints were "regretful sex".

odysseytree · 2023-03-02T15:05:05+00:00

This is how feminists keep false accusation weapon invincible, by making speaking about false accusations a taboo. UK pays £44,000 just for the police report which is being exploited by regretful sex complainers.

Naru4odo · 2023-03-02T16:11:49+00:00

So telling the truth gets you investigated and possibly fired... This world we live in

Merebankguy · 2023-03-02T15:35:46+00:00

Met Police Deputy Commissioner Dame Lynne Owens said: "Rape is a horrific offence that has a devastating and lasting impact.

"The comments included in the Operation Soteria Bluestone report are wholly unacceptable.

"We recognise that they risk further undermining the confidence of victims to come forward and that is deeply regrettable.

"Having been made aware of an allegation that the comments were made by a senior Metropolitan Police officer, we have referred the matter to the Independent Office for Police Conduct."

Translation: We can't let this man ruin the false narrative that we have created that women are actually much safer then it seems and also to allow withdrawal of consent because of regret.

m4RLA5INGER · 2023-03-02T21:02:04+00:00

I’m (F37) in the US but, I once made friends with a radical feminist, I didn’t know she was when we first met she seemed fun and she drew me in with her love of video games and seemed like we had lots in common. As time went on she told me she had been raped by every boyfriend she ever had. I thought, if true this is very sad however I just didn’t think it possible. She explained one of the boyfriends and how essentially he was just bad at sex and she hated having sex with him. She somehow decided that he had assaulted her. She still said it was rape. I was absolutely flabbergasted.

furchfur · 2023-03-02T14:58:14+00:00

Even the police believe most allegations of rape in the UK are false allegations.

Now being investigated for saying the obvious.

sgt_oddball_17 · 2023-03-02T14:59:07+00:00

When speaking the truth is a crime, then you are living under tyranny.

RoryTate · 2023-03-02T17:43:50+00:00

Notice how in the article the investigation is being initiated because of the perceived "harm" his statements "might" cause, but not because his claims were in any way incorrect or wrong due to contradictory evidence. The accusation of a provably wrong statement is never made in these cases, because that would open up the conversation to an objective consideration of the facts, and that would be playing a game where they can potentially lose, when reality presents a different existence. Instead, the attack always starts from within an emotional, moral framework, where reason is out the window, and name-calling is acceptable. My favourite rejoinder to this tactic is still to repeat the wise words of Steven Pinker: "The truth cannot be sexist".

Character_Pirate_618 · 2023-03-02T16:18:39+00:00

"No one is more hated that he who speaks the truth."

Early-Department-234 · 2023-03-02T15:46:21+00:00

Since when are stating statistics a bad thing to do?
Feminism is just 2+2=5.

1029384745612 · 2023-03-02T16:27:11+00:00

Sic semper tyrannis

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2023-03-02T16:37:20+00:00

It's a he said she said case. She said he said it, he denies he said it. Just a flogging for even being accused of questioning the femocracy.

NameIs-Already-Taken · 2023-03-02T16:21:25+00:00

Another woman accusing a man.

RunInRunOn · 2023-03-02T17:19:43+00:00

Why does this get a cop under more heat than actual racism?

Largest_Half · 2023-03-02T18:10:51+00:00

In other words "met police deputy commissioner tells the truth which undermines the narrative of the fragile feminine victims and shows them to just not be able to take responsibility for their own actions"

CharlesForbin · 2023-03-02T17:33:39+00:00

I am an Australian Copper. I don't know about the UK, and I wouldn't say it was the bulk of complaints, but my anecdotal experience has it between 30-40%, provably untrue, or at least facts so inconsistent with the allegations that there is not even a reasonable cause to suspect an offence has occurred.

ChicagoIndependent1 · 2023-03-02T16:35:28+00:00

This is probably the vast majority of rape cases in India that people make a big deal about.

GltyUntlPrvnInncnt · 2023-03-02T17:58:09+00:00

Believe all women. Yeah, how about no. Trust but verify.

Ceigeee · 2023-03-02T18:12:07+00:00

I bet some of them are.

It's like these Twitlongers that come out about sexual assault claims. You read them and it's literally the girl being like "I said no but then I said yeah" and apparently that's sexual assault???????????? No, you just changed your mind.

There was loads of drama when a TFT competition was happening. People were calling for the head of some young streamer who was participating in it. A girl put out a twitlonger saying he sexually assaulted her. Only, all that happened was:

They kiss and cuddle for a few nights, but no sex. He asks if she wants to, she says no. They carry on as they were.

On the final night, they're kissing and cuddling in the same bed, he asks her if she wants to, and she says yeah this time, but then the lad can't get hard and they do nothing.

However long later, the lad is popular on his stream, he's competing in a tournament, and BOOM, sexual assault accusation.

Coming from a woman - If you are uncomfortable and are feeling a bit pressured, JUST LEAVE? STOP KISSING AND CUDDLING IN BED WITH HIM? Don't all of a sudden later on say you were sexually assaulted because you SAID YES?

bottleblank · 2023-03-02T15:21:16+00:00

Well, that sure makes me feel totally excellent about the prospect of trying to date.

I'm only half joking. I don't believe it's prevalent enough that I should let the idea that it's basically guaranteed to happen stop me from trying to experience human connection, something I have drastically lacked my whole life.

But I'm not going to pretend it's a non-issue either, it is something that goes through my mind occasionally, because clearly it does happen, and I suspect with minimal experience I'd be the kind of guy who'd end up getting shafted by it, I'm not likely to be strong enough, agile enough, or socially cushioned enough to cope with that. My already dire self-esteem would suggest I'm the kind of guy that would get called a creep for trying or, if I was successful, ditched and accused afterwards. I am, realistically speaking, a vulnerable individual, in that sense.

Again, though, there's a tyre fire of other reasons I'm not out there trying to find a partner, and that particular one is somewhere buried underneath all of them. It's (relatively) low risk, low priority as a thing to worry about, and quite frankly if it did happen to me, I'd just die with my sense of moral righteousness validated, and happy to be rid of having to worry about any of it any more.

Scandi_Navy · 2023-03-02T17:27:47+00:00

Man caught trying to smuggle illegal statistics into government agency. More latest news on statistics prohibition at eight. Back to you Karen.

Black-Patrick · 2023-03-02T19:47:51+00:00

How dare him for articulating a perceived pattern.

Key-Point9934 · 2023-03-02T21:04:34+00:00

Well, are they?

DesertVeteran_PA-C · 2023-03-02T22:11:45+00:00

But does he have a reason to have that opinion? If he has experience that leads him to believe that is true, what’s the problem?

larrykeithfrick · 2023-03-03T00:05:25+00:00

This is a VERY commonly occurrence. Consensual sex turning into rape for whatever reason. Kinda like “buyer’s remorse”. Really really f’kd up.

Spare_Development615 · 2023-03-03T02:08:48+00:00

Anyone with the brains of a 5 year old knows he's correct.

Flaky_Green_3722 · 2023-03-03T05:06:45+00:00

He’s most likely not wrong some bitches just be like that it happens in America often

adam-l · 2023-03-02T18:23:22+00:00

The Feminist Reich has really picked up steam.

bigbouncingbanana · 2023-03-02T20:11:16+00:00

I wouldn't be surprised if he's onto something.

Run_By_Snowflakes · 2023-03-02T21:14:36+00:00

How can you be investigated for saying a truth?

This pisses me off:

"We recognise that they risk further undermining the confidence of victims to come forward and that is deeply regrettable.

Dude... if they have evidence, they can come forward. If all they have is their say-so, and nothing else to support it, then no, we want to encourage those people to stop lying... not all of them lie, but enough do to where men's lives are destroyed because rape accusations are a weapon.

XMaster65 · 2023-03-02T22:11:04+00:00

bro is LITERALLY telling people the truth from actual life experience, he would fucking know, yet apparently he's not allowed to talk about it, the truth is slowly becoming taboo, what is wrong with the world these days

edit: just wanna say from personal experience, this is 100% true, my 15 year old little brother was falsely accused by some girl he hooked up with once months prior, by the time these accusations came in he already had a girlfriend so that should show u the gap in time, it's attention seeking or jealousy alot of the time, and that's not to discredit real rape cases which are despicable, but it's hard to simply ignore false accusations when they are so common and with the amount of men that have been imprisoned for years because some woman was jealous, and then they get let off Scott free, the off duty type officer that came to our house to discuss the accusations with us basically told us they get shit like this multiple times a week and almost never is it legit, that is so shameful, and sure we're talking about young teens but adults aren't much better, this is just as much of a problem as rape but gets infinitely less attention, the amount of false accusations is also rising as women see the movement to "always believe the woman first without proof", they're being "empowered" to fuck over these men who likely already have enough bullshit to deal with, my little brother was actually extremely stressed out about the situation, it was all he could talk about for weeks and I mean can u blame him? that's his whole reputation let alone possible legal reprocussions on the line, now imagine how many young men are currently going thru the same thing my brother did, it's horrendous, thank god he had a gf to help him thru it bc idk if the kid would've trusted women after that without her

edit 2: forgot to mention we found out her friends had apparently convinced her she was raped and that she should make these accusations, it's that same toxic women supporting each other shit that's happening rn, it could be used positively but it's not, there needs to be more sanctions put in place to assure this shit doesn't happen, but knowing the attitude towards rape in today's climate, no laws are gonna get passed relating to rape unless they benefit the woman, know how many men are making false accusations? likely close to nil because half the time even when it is real rape they won't get taken seriously because "he's a man he probably wanted it"

boundarychimps · 2023-03-02T23:59:31+00:00

What is the likely breakdown, anyway? I know there were some studies a while back that put "blatantly false" at a single-digit percentage that roughly matched the conviction rate, but is there anything vaguely solid that tries to categorize the middle 80-plus percent?

harmonica2 · 2023-03-03T03:27:57+00:00

What's he being investigated for exactly though? It says the comment, but how does the police 'investigate a comment'? Are they hoping to dig up some dirt crime dirt on him or something?

secret_tiger101 · 2023-03-03T07:38:53+00:00

I assume the statement was based on his factual knowledge?

TheNerdWonder · 2023-03-05T06:59:20+00:00

And this is why "believe women" is dumb and not something we should take as seriously. It's an affront to due process.

borderline--barbie · 2023-03-02T17:52:08+00:00

regret does not equal rape. i've been saying this for years.

Digger_is_taken · 2023-03-02T15:38:09+00:00

Anyone actually read the article?

"These are not words I have ever used in relation to rape or sexual assault and the reason I am so certain that I did not say this is because I simply do not believe it; I find the phrase abhorrent.

"I find this characterisation of me to be deeply upsetting, and colleagues who know me know how untrue it is."

February272023 · 2023-03-02T20:16:21+00:00

Three truths can exist at the same time:

Police can mishandle legitimate rape complaints.
Women can lie about rape to get back at a guy.
If neither #1 or #2 will face any punishment, then they'll keep on doing it.

angryearth · 2023-03-02T17:37:47+00:00

Cops in UK need to stop embrassing themselves around grooming gangs and rapist cops then they can gain the trust of women to say things like this. Without women thinking it’s self serving.

Alternative_Meal_904 · 2023-03-03T11:05:57+00:00

More accurately, based on what I think happened, the police deputy commissioner said that that the 'bulk' (which is a plurality but NOT necessarily a majority) of rape accusations were regretful sex, and then took it back and used the usual fake words like "horrific" and "abhorrent" like as if he was forced by Joseph Stalin or some other fascist dystopia.

I assume this includes miscommunications in bed as well as retroactively taking back consent after the sex finished. This is very true, as he was only saying that false rape accusations were too common and that false rape accusations are comparable in severity to rape. At least that's the vibe I'm getting.

My point is that the police deputy commissioner is a coward and should have stood up for the truth, which is that false rape accusations are severe AND that they are way too common. After all, that is all his "regretful" sex quote was saying.

The government really loves projecting its lack of care for actual rape victims. They show this by defining miscommunications as rape, thereby equating miscommunications in bed to the most severe cases (involving knives or guns). Is it one of the biggest disservices to both the falsely accused and to the rape victims.

SupaButt · 2023-03-02T17:05:34+00:00

It seems like most commenters here agree with this alleged sentiment. But in the article, the commissioner in question himself denies saying “regretful sex” and that "these are not words I have ever used in relation to rape or sexual assault and the reason I am so certain that I did not say this is because I simply do not believe it; I find the phrase abhorrent”

May I ask, if you do agree that “the bulk of rape complaints are regretful sex”, what is your definition of “regretful sex”? Do you think people file a rape accusation to the police just in an attempt to get that person in trouble?

I very much disagree with this but the reason I joined this sub is I want to hear your perspective bc I don’t understand it. I am not coming from a place of judgment but just a place of confusion. Thanks!

Mitk0o0o · 2023-03-03T06:59:01+00:00

Literally just googled it

KrazyJazz · 2023-03-03T08:41:17+00:00

Feminists are looking more and more like bolchevik political commissars who do not hesitate to ruin the career, even life, of anybody not following the script to a T.

Remember the sketch 'Are we the baddies'? So...question: Are we really the 'goodies' here? The 'beacon of freedom' of a dark world full of tyrants?

blaizken_420 · 2023-03-03T21:40:30+00:00

He should be investigated for never charging sex offender women with rape.

Nihi1986 · 2023-03-02T17:14:51+00:00

Pretty sure regretful sex exists and some women are stupid enough to turn it into a rape experiencie, though some men are also stupid enough to make them feel that way😑

matrixislife · 2023-03-02T18:28:26+00:00

It doesn't matter what he believes, it matters how he conducts an inquiry, part of which is a requirement to take an accusation at face value when it's made. Sure there's a ton of false accusations made, but he can't turn round to someone making an accusation and say that. His job is to collect evidence, not deny it exists to the complainant.

The problem for me with this article is not that he would be investigated after saying that in a private conversation. He should be, to make sure he is doing his job and not convincing people to retract accusations. The problem is that that it is made public by the bbc. Then they'll say "the public don't have much faith in the police nowadays".

Title	UK: A former Met Police deputy commissioner is being investigated after allegedly saying the "bulk" of rape complaints were "regretful sex".
Author	furchfur
Upvotes	956
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Date	March 2, 2023 2:57 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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