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[–]GeorgeOrwell2018 256 points257 points258 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
93% of workplace deaths are men
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I once brought up this fact - as well as that about suicide - to a friend of mine claiming “sexism towards men is not important as it’s minor compared to sexism towards women”.
And she said that men only die at work and commit suicide because they have weak minds and it has nothing to do with sexism. I had no idea how to respond to that.
She’s a smart and intelligent lady, but her views towards men are so incredibly toxic. It seems it’s consuming her whole life.
[–][deleted] 402 points403 points404 points 7 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
I never knew there was an international mens day, why nobody talks about it?
[–]grimview[S] 320 points321 points322 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ask everyone you know that question, until they do.
[–][deleted] 57 points58 points59 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
will do!
[–]b95455 145 points146 points147 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"because every day is men's day lol".
Survey says:
[–]AlwaysResist 42 points43 points44 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If everyday was men's day, there would be no female affirmative action.
[–]NOTcreative- 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100 when asking women under the age of 30.
[–]Pillowed321 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
MRAs talk about it. Nobody else talks about it because they think men are too privileged.
[–]warcroft 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also on November 19th... World Toilet Day.
An official United Nations international observance day to inspire action to tackle the global sanitation crisis.
Fuck you UN! Of all days?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Shit, most women I talk to don't even think men have to sign up for the draft anymore. They live in a bubble that society constantly reinforces.
[–]valenin 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I've noticed this. I've spoken to women (and it used to surprise me but doesn't anymore) who literally had no idea that registering was still A Thing.
I was in college on 9/11 and there were some interesting conversations when some women started asking why the men seemed so much more nervous than the women.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Then tell them that you can't get your drivers license until you sign up for selective service. They literally won't believe you, but it's something every boy has to do at the age of 15/16
[–]Salty_Cnidarian 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is that so? So I already signed up for selective service? Or do I have to do it again when I turn 18?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You do it when you're 16 iirc.
[–]RampagingAardvark 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I honestly don't know anyone who talks about women's Day either.
[–]Bestprofilename 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you know anyone at all? I've seen it on the news, in university emails etc
[+]nfbefe -48 points-47 points-46 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Because it usually only gets mentioned when women get all uppity about not wanting to get raped so much.
[–]YouNeedAnne 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
all uppity about not wanting to get raped so much
Uppity? The fuck is wrong with you? Shit like you is why people don't take campaigning for men's rights seriously and why "MRA" is seen as a synonym for "toxic neckbeard".
How do you type something like that out and think it's ok?
[–]IComeBaringGifs 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty sure their comment as satirical and passive aggressive.
[–]Yromemtnatsisrep 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The use of uppity gives it away.
[–]frodos_bollocks 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha!
[+][deleted] -24 points-23 points-22 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Interesting, because women aren't even raped as much as men are... so... any complaint women have there should focus on men first (since men are raped more than women) and women should be taken care of later... if men being raped (at a higher rate) isn't a big deal, then women should be able to put up with it just as much as men do...
[–]danketiquette 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is this a fucking joke?
Why? The reason men are ignored as domestic violence victims, is because the majority of victims are women.
Is that logic no longer allowed?
[–]Mwakay 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, so that's how it looks when a lying arse replies to a lying arse.
[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because the Republicans are in charge.
No one here is interested in holding Republicans responsible for improving men's rights. They want to use it as a cudgel against feminists.
[–]17hunter00 164 points165 points166 points 7 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link
Anyone got sources for all these stats? I know people will refute this unless I can point to sources.
[–]MarischalClub 235 points236 points237 points 7 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
(I'd saved these from the image posted last year)
[–]17hunter00 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you
[–]DeuceWallaces 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Uh, the stats on suicide and homicide are obviously reported municipal estimates, however, one of the “studies” was carried out by a men’s right group, and the last 3 stats you listed are from the same non peer reviewed “exploration” of data that is basically a blog post. These are not reputable sources of statistical inference and analysis. Developing policy or propaganda from two low grade research posts is not wise; I would argue it does more harm than good.
There’s obviously nothing wrong with promoting issues of men’s health and wellness but you’re infographing and spreading suspect and/or biased analysi.
[–]stringdom 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The issue here is that nobody is doing research or statistics on these because academics and institutions don't care.
Men are supposed to die. “Women and children first” is the slogan of western society. When men go to war and die there or return with PTSD and other mental health issues, nobody cares because that's what was supposed to happen. When men die or get badly injured on construction sites, mines, oil rigs, and many other gendered workplaces, nobody cares because men are expected to bear the brunt of rough labor. When men are proven to have shorter lifespans due to preventable conditions nobody cares, because…
Men are expendable in the eyes of the western world.
[–]OddlySpecificReferen 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Anyone got these stats but, like, not for the UK...
[+]grimview[S] -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Oh feminist don't need statics on their fliers but no one listens to or believes men. You don't even bother to mention what country you wanted stats for?
Here you can just add international men's day to this image and post instead to raise awareness. Or you can make your ancestors proud by Hunting for the stats on your own. A quick look on the Right side menu found the Domestic violence Statistic
[–]OddlySpecificReferen 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dawg... I'm not here trying to discredit the argument, I just wanted the stats pertinent to the US so that I had them available to back up my views which are likely in line with yours.
Sure, I didn't specify which country, but you could maybe benefit from considering that the attitude you take towards simple questions is needlessly aggressive, much like the angry feminists you clearly think are a problem. Maybe don't do what they do and make your point less appealing to those who don't already agree with you by being a dick? Just a thought.
[–]Burntholesinmyhoodie 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
And this is why people view this sub as toxic, it's not just about empathy for males - but also about smashing on feminists when you can be a feminist and still support lots of the goals you're advocating for
[–]grimview[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
How it "smashing" to point out a double standard exist with the "believe women" not believe men? Why isn't equally considered smashing on men to tell a man to "hunt" on its own?
[–]Burntholesinmyhoodie 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Smashing in that you're making a grand assumption about feminism. Im not claiming that double standards dont exist - im saying that the character assassination brings more divide than it does unity
[–]grimview[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Your just going in circles changing the words but keeping the meaning the same. "smashing" becomes "character assassination". Was I not, equally doing a "character assassination" of the men by claiming that man's "ancestors" would be ashamed (not "proud") of men today being too lazy to "hunt" for answers?
Or is it that you've been spoon fed female oppression so that you've never really had to think about all the ways to equally oppress a man? Like asking a man to lift heavy things is similar to asking a woman to bend over to pick up a pencil, as both can be ogled for sexual enjoyment.
I guess the better question is if you defend feminism, then would you also equally defend groups feminist founder Marget Sanger recruited its members from, like the Klan?
[–]Burntholesinmyhoodie 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
I'm not making commentary on your quote on men's ancestors, so you're bringing up other things is whataboutism. I never claimed that sexism doesn't exist against males, Im not sure why you're alluding to it.
Oh feminist don't need statics on their fliers
This is a generalization, it imposes that all those who call themselves feminists are completely fine with leaving out sources or stats. That's not true, if we're truly judging feminists as individuals. Which is what you do by using the word "feminist", as an individual.
You go again into whataboutism, i don't defend recruitment of bad people. But you're making judgements on individual modern day feminists. Which, might I mention, isn't the same as making commentary on the ideology from a definition point of view.
Edit: for the record feminism does date much prior to Sanger (and i do take issue in her support of eugenics even if she also did good as well, naturally. But for example that viewpoint of hers is completely contradictory to say intersectional feminism)
[–]grimview[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The OCD quest for perfection makes us intolerant of anything that isn't pure as the whitest snow. Since you are such a mental gymnastics expert at using different words that mean the exact same thing (smashing, character assassination, whataboutism), how would you word the Mad Lib so that no grammar Nazi would object to obvious sarcasm (because I actually link to some sources after saying why I didn't need to)?
Oh feminist Feminazis don't need statics on their fliers
The reason I point out "men's ancestors" is because your only defending the honor of feminist & not equally defending the honor of men. You should be equally outrage by either, all or none. Why do think feminist need you to defend them, what's wrong with them, are they inferior? Why don't men need an equal defense, do you hate equality, are you against competition, you have a non-compete agreement with feminist?
[–]A_BOMB2012 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If 40% of domestic violence victims are men, wouldn’t that mean that the majority (60%) are women? Also the majority of homicide and violent crime victims being male should be counterbalanced by the fact that an even greater majority of the perpetrators of those crimes are male. I don’t have counter arguments for the rest. Except maybe the whole prison thing. Maybe it’s not more fair than all those men not be in prison, but that more women should be in prison. But in actuality the reality is probably more in the middle of those two options.
[–]morerokk 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If 40% of domestic violence victims are men, wouldn’t that mean that the majority (60%) are women?
Yes. Therefore, an ideal split would be that 60% of DV resources are for women, and 40% for men.
Instead, the split is 99:1 in favor of women. Despite so many male victims, most shelters only take women, a lot of help lines only help women, and laws like the Duluth Model only protect women.
[–]Heathen06 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks
[–]BaS3r 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Looking for the same. I’ve got a few people I know that will debate this.
[–]StormTheParade 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Last year's post of this image has all the source links. IIRC these are UK stats
[–]dank_galv 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
The sad part is that we (MRA's male or female) have to arm ourselves with this information asked for like we're headed to battle
[–]17hunter00 34 points35 points36 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's why I want to be able to respond with facts
[–]AnnArchist 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I disagree - being armed with facts just makes sense no matter if you are MRA or feminist or somewhere in between.
Knowing facts isn't 'sad' nor should requesting them be considered insulting.
All debates should be framed within a factual framework - its when you don't ask for citations that it moves from fact to opinion or feelings.
[–]dank_galv 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree to - being armed with sources that points to your claimed facts are great. The problem is that when a fact turns into a non-fact simply by "I don't believe that"
As stated above in the discussion example there is no insulting part in asking why nor a conflict.
In the event that a person have to prepare for verbal conflict when it comes to people choosing to end themselves is, in my opinion sad.
Debates can lead to verbal conflict. But here OP is preparing for conflict which reflects the majority of interactions they have had overall. Their intention is not to be defeated in verbal conflict while the conflict involves a certain gender killing themselves at a way higher rate than what compared to.
[–]themaskedugly 29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why would being asked to support your arguments with evidence be a bad thing?
e: pre-ignoring the 'feminists don't need to' as it's patently false, and useless whataboutism
[–]dank_galv 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Well yeaheynomaybe not in theory. "Supporting your arguments" is something that happens in a discussion. "Defending blatant facts others fail to acknowledge" is something that happens in a heated argument.
Statement: Suicide rate is higher in men than in women.
Critics: Why is that rate higher? (The understanding of the fact that the suicide rate is higher in men is noted in the question)
Answer: well because of A B and C.
Person understands: because of A B and C, suicide rate in men is higher.
Everyone understands basics of discussion.
Now.
Statement: suicide rate in men is higher.
Critics: uh that's not true (denying the statement rather than criticizing it).
Answer: A B and C are the causes.
Critics: yeah I don't believe that
Answer: ??????
This is the answer OP is asking for if I am not mistaken.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Actual discussion:
Statement: suicide rate in men is higher
Critics: Women attempt suicide more, so all resources should be focused on preventing women from attempting suicide.
Answer: ?????
[–]zactheepic 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
The reason they get this idea is that more women attempt suicide, but more men commit suicide. ¯\(ツ)/¯
[–]TheBlueHeron 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
As usual, men are better at something than women
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I hardly think being better at suicide is an appropriate thing to say.
[–]TheBlueHeron 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sorry, was suppose to be a joke to make light of the fact :/
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess you can never tell on the internet these days.
[–]meatballsubplz -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
God forbid you have to do some... research... Or be able to defend your claims with... (gulp) facts and information! What is the world coming to??
[–]dank_galv 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think you understand properly what I was trying to communicate.
Having sources are good. Having backed up arguments by sources are good. When a person have to "arm" themselves for "verbal conflict" when it comes to a gender "killing themselves at a very fast rate" it is sad to me that this has to be "extensively proved beyond reasonable doubt" is sad when there are plenty of easily accessible sources that points to these facts being proven, yet they still need more information to back this up, and the information they already have is not enough to make someone "believe" the facts that OP is pointing towards.
Grass is green whether you like it or not. Now tell me you don't believe that grass is green and I would have no way to prove it.
[–]dank_galv 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This
[–]grimview[S] 421 points422 points423 points 7 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link
Saw many fliers last week for the "the future is female" women's day, so equality demands we do the same.
[–]BlueZir249 points 7 years ago [recovered] (32 children) | Copy Link
Imagine "the future is male". No, I cant think of a single man i know that would express that sentiment. That would be sexist and bigoted, which is funny, because you'd think in a patriarchal society there'd be a lot more posts on subs like this saying "fuck women" and "the future is male". There aren't though, but MR is often considered a hate sub while hateful anti-male statements from mainstream feminists are considered not only justified but academically respected.
They've got their equality and have no idea what the fuck to do with it. Garden variety third wave feminists who exist just to make noise and drama have realised they can get any job they want but they don't want that. They wanna try to take this victimhood as far as they can and get a sweet, sweet taste of power.
[–]dukunt 97 points98 points99 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
"The future is female" slogan totally shits on the face of equality. Why couldn't they say the 'future is equal'?...because feminism is equality. Got that lads! Feminism is equality...lets all say it together now "FEMINISM IS EQUALITY" Anyone else puke a bit in the back of their throat? That's a normal gag response to feminism, you'll get used to it.
[–]CarlBurhusk88 67 points68 points69 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As a woman, I hope for an equal future. I like the sound of 'the future is equal'. I get wanting to advocate for your genders right and it is the right of both genders to point out lack of equality where it lay. I approve of men speaking out on a lot of issues that directly affects them over women. We can't fix anything if we are constantly bickering over who has it the worst.
[–]dukunt 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hear Hear!
[–]En-TitY_ 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they were aiming for equality, they shouldn't have named it after one sex.
[–]Burntholesinmyhoodie 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The phrase isn't "the future is only female"
[–]kickstand-33 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps “the future is male” is awkward because the past was male. Nearly all of it.
[–]Omz-bomz 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No the past wasn't "male". That is a moronically simplistic way to put it, not to mention historical negationism.
[–]kickstand3 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course it's simplistic. I'm not explaining history, I'm giving a reason people might say "the future is female." It's not an academic essay. It lacks nuance. It's a catchphrase, or rather a mirror of the "the future is female" catchphrase.
[–]Omz-bomz 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Both catchphrases are wrong, both in it's factual description and in the implicated reasoning. It's a nonsensical sentence thought up by feminists to place upon their values and demonization of the male gender.
[–]BlueZir 29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The past was everything and nothing, it can't be defined by any one thing. The past is the past, especially when you're trying to attribute responsibility to half of the population because they share genders with oppressive figures in the past. Evolutionarily things have always been primitive, ugly and driven by biology first and foremost. That means men have always had the natural advantage to getting their own way, and before politics was so integral to society people just did as they pleased.
We live in a different time. Modern men don't hold responsibility for their ancestors sins. We're supposed to be working towards a more stable society so we can sort out all the problems we've caused but instead of taking responsibility for the things that matter we're having a massive gender spat where 20 year old women who live in a world of opportunity and safety (compared to any of our ancestors) are portrayed as existential victims who need to turn the tables on men by turning their backs on every new generation of boys to come along since. They will be the next to grow up alienated, angry and unable to control their anger and desires and thus the fallacy will continue.
[+]Wordwench -17 points-16 points-15 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That means men have always had the natural advantage to getting their own way, and before politics was so integral to society people just did as they pleased.
So...that advantage has now turned, and what men are feeling is akin to what all minorities and those without advantage have felt for centuries? Oh, the irony.
The only takeaway is to tolerantly campaign for - and protect - the rights of all. As a woman, I am hardly a victim (that's a personality and character trait that crosses all races/faiths/genders), and a ferocious crusader for the rights of the feminine, but good Gods - never at the expense of men. Not ever, ever. We *need* men.
More than ever.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
So...that advantage has now turned, and what men are feeling is akin to what all minorities and those without advantage have felt for centuries?
Go fuck yourself. I was bullied relentlessly by girls and women along with men and boys. The very fact that it's still hard for people to imagine females as capable of harming individuals, especially vulnerable ones like me, is what has made it very hard to have my story gain traction.
And it isn't helped by assholes like you who think I deserve it because some woman's ancestors got a raw deal in life.
So yeah, go fuck yourself.
[–]The_Best_01 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I thought she was kidding or something, but the bitch is actually serious. That kind of shitty "payback" attitude needs to die asap.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bitch is too kind of a label. Wordwench is a psychopath.
And there are people like this person out there in real life as well. Some in positions of power and prestige preaching this garbage heap of morality.
The more that die out, the better off everyone will be.
[–]The_Best_01 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why not both? A psychopathic bitch.
And yeah, agreed.
[–]umar4812 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So your argument is that it's terrible if they had to experience it but it's completely fine if men now have to? Nice sexism. You seem like a pretty clear opposition to the whole "feminists only want equality, not payback" spiel.
[+]kickstand -17 points-16 points-15 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Modern men don't hold responsibility for their ancestors sins.
At the same time, it's true that the sins of the past are not erased by the simple passage of time. The past leaves echoes everywhere.
Your last sentence is a pretty big leap. We can acknowledge and address the wrongs of the past without anyone becoming "unable to control their anger." At least I hope so.
[–]BlueZir 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Regardless, we have to grow up and understand that those people are dead. The only thing that can be achieved by shunning the male population through subtle systematic transgressions is that living people suffer. Theres nothing to be gained from that, and it can only come from a place of vindictive and callous intent. Two wrongs don't make a right, I think it's just ugly what kind of behaviour people are displaying in the name of equality, whilst flying in the face of their own core principle by being hypocritical and allowing female exceptionalist values to run rampant.
[+]kickstand -18 points-17 points-16 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Raising up one part of the population isn't the same as shunning another part, though.
[–]morerokk 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It most certainly is, if you raise one up higher than the other and then still keep going.
[+]foster_remington -27 points-26 points-25 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You are a hate sub lol
[–]tomothy37 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
How is that?
Edit: There is a lot of "fuck women" attitude on this sub, but it's not prevalent. Most of the people here want equality between men and women, same as most women, and there are a great deal of posts here about just that. The problem is that many people fight fire with fire, so when someone sees feminists talking shit about men, they react by talking shit about woman, and so the cycle continues. This is not the correct way to handle it from either side.
I believe that women should have all the same rights, wages, power, treatment, etc. as men, and that men should have all the same rights, wages, power, treatment, etc. as women, no matter what. If men have to pay alimony in a divorce, women should also have to pay alimony. A woman in the same job position as a man should get paid the same amount. If a woman receives leniency when being prosecuted for a crime, so should a man. Men and women both deserve the same amount of respect in all regards.
This is a sentiment shared by the majority of people on this sub. Men's Rights is not a place about men getting their rights back over women. It's not a place about men having more rights than women. It's a place about men and women having the same rights, and fighting for it.
[+]foster_remington -24 points-23 points-22 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You hate women
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, I think they’re equal.
[–]tomothy37 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do we hate women because we think men and women deserve completely equal treatment in all aspects? Men do not deserve power over women just as much as women do not deserve power over men.
Our society is in a very precarious position right now, teatering on the edge of economical, societal, and cultural collapse. And rather than join together to try to make everything better, everyone is all trying to jump for power. This is not how it should be.
No class, social group, race, or gender deserves any more power than any other. Instead of fighting amongst ourselves, people must join together for the betterment of humanity. There are many silent voices that want this, and fewer loud voices that do not. Very few people currently in power actually care about the betterment of humanity. They want to keep their money, keep their power, keep the poor poor and the rich rich, keep the weak weak and the strong strong, keep the people in power in power. But that way of thinking will lead to our destruction.
We do not hate women. We want to abolish the idea (and reality) of any people having any more or less power and respect than any other people.
[–]Absalom9999 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You are a pedophile
[–]foster_remington -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
nah
[–]Absalom9999 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yah
[–]foster_remington -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Absalom9999 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your son says otherwise
[–]masterdebator300 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The Future is EQUALITY!!
[–]Jacks_Spleen 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
As a woman, and just seeing this sub for the first time, I find this so important! Feminism really means equality for everyone. I hope we all find the equilibrium. I hope this raises the issue for all!
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Feminism really means equality for everyone.
Not anymore.
Otherwise harmful things like The Duluth Model would never have become reality.
[–]Thr0w4w4y757746 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It never did in the first place.
[–]The_Best_01 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jesus, not this shit again. Please educate yourself.
[–]tomothy37 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate you and what you are saying, thank you. But if it means equality for all, why call it "feminism"? Why not call the movement for equality "equalism"?
If our society were reversed and women were primarily in positions of power, how would it seem if a growing group of men who wanted to be treated the same as women called their movement "masculism"?
The name of the movement itself implies that the end goal is for women to gain power, not for men and women to be equal.
[–]Hockeyloogie 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's hard to believe people are still concerned about literally nominal issues. it's a treadmill of euphemisms. it's language and it changes. and I'm sure there are some feminists who do want all the power. but the point is that some people saw the world from a lens differently than the hegemonic one and those people were women and saw it that way because of the gendered expectations that were associated/thrust upon them. and those people identified as feminists. so feminism is the lens that allows us to truly see what equality would look like between men and women. and maybe they're wrong about some things and that's ok. but the insight helps because we can't know how we, as men, are contributing to another gender's disenfranchisement (or "trauma" if you're into affect theory) unless it's brought to light. so that's idea behind the whole feminism means equality thing.
now we can also talk about men's issues in much the same way. the problem is that most of the structure of society was determined and designed by men. it's mostly male judges who convict men of crimes for longer even when it's the same charges. it's men who make men victims of violent crime. so we gotta ask ourselves wtf is up here and, much in the same way feminists did, come together and fix our issues and unite as men who have reasonable expectations and insights for how to fix and make society better for all. it's a process; don't get hung up on semantics.
[–]Jacks_Spleen 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I definitely agree that there could be a better word. We need a better word that means equality of sexes. Unfortunately, feminism is the only word English has at the moment that means exactly that. Some use it incorrectly. Others bash it because those who use it incorrectly. It also does have “female” as a root. Not sure how to fix that problem. I’m not in charge of words. Sigh...
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Egalitarianism is the word you are looking for.
e·gal·i·tar·i·an·ism
/ēˌɡaləˈterēəˌnizəm/
noun
the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
[–]Jacks_Spleen 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That is a good word! Thank you. It seems I hit a touchy subject here. I’m honestly just trying to extend my hand to everyone. It seems that does encompass the idea. I did some research as well. It’s seems that egalitarianism is a social mindset and feminism is more about action. I think it’s possible to be both. I’m going to say I’m both since it’s my mindset and I believe men and women should be held to the same standards.
As clarification, men should get equal rights in childcare, presumption of innocence and the ability to express emotions without being belittled. We’re all human. Some humans are fuckers and that doesn’t depend on gender.
[–]IComeBaringGifs 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This was a really good discussion. Kudos to you, /u/Iamnotelephant and /u/tomothy37 for keeping your heads cool on something that can often get super contentious. You guys are great, and I hope you continue to do good in the world.
[–]Thr0w4w4y757746 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeh, no. you're not even close. Feminism was a tightly needed female empowerment movement that began in the early 20th century.
Egalitarianism is the equality movement for everyone. You don't need to be an etymology major to see that feminism is obviously gendered.
[–]nforne 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But how do you define "equality"?
This sub is all in favour of equal opportunities, but we believe that differences between men and women naturally lead to different outcomes (such as more men working in dangerous, dirty jobs and STEM fields, and more women working in caring professions).
We're critical of anyone who concludes that these imbalances are due to sexism and who tries to artificially "correct" the figures with quotas. We are especially concerned that the main effort to balance the genders is uni-directional in favour of women, focused mainly on highly coveted jobs and professions (STEM fields, politics, CEOs), and is justified using misused and misunderstood data (the "wage gap").
So yes, we want equality. We want the equality where women can become Prime Minister on merit (Thatcher, 1979), but not the fake equality that's being used to shoehorn women into cushy high paid careers at the expense of better qualified men.
So when you say "equality", do you mean equality of opportunity or outcome? The difference is night and day.
[–]nikdahl 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That’s not what feminism means anymore.
[–]Thr0w4w4y757746 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Never did in the first place. Feminism describes a women's Empowerment movement. Which was quite rightly deserved in the early 20th century.
[–]Jacks_Spleen 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It does by people who use it correctly. Unfortunately, I agree, the word has been stretched by some. When I say it, it truly means equality. I wish there was a better word.
[+]nfbefe -19 points-18 points-17 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can you do anything for men besides bitch about women improving their situation?
Can you do anything for feminism except make it look like a movement that has nothing more to accomplish now that women seem to outnumber men in privileges in first world countries?
[–]jostler57 88 points89 points90 points 7 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link
Hey OP, I like this image, but the 40% DV statistic could use some more info, such as 40% of DV victims, but (unsure on the actual %) 90% of DV arrests, or something.
edit - the below comments like the idea, but suggest it’s more specific for accuracy (i.e. female on male violence, etc.)
[–]Hudini15 30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I second this motion.
edit: According to this article 75% of DV arrests are Male.
[–]Chicken2nite 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Not all male victims of DV would be from a female perpetrator so that wouldn't be an entirely fair comparative statistic.
[–]WeWillRiseAgainst 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
And not all female victims of DV would be from a male perpetrator, so that would be an entirely fair comparative statistic.
[–]Chicken2nite -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I disagree.
It would be comparing victims to perpetrators, equivalent to comparing apples bought to oranges sold.
[–]cataract29 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Its perfectly valid comparison unless you actually believe women are incapable of violence whatsoever. There are almost as as many violent women as men, men are just making up the extreme ends of a variance curve.
[–]Chicken2nite -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
There are almost as as many violent women as men
In other words, "we buy almost as many oranges as we do apples."
It gets pretty murky when you get into the weeds on statistics of reported and unreported instances of DV as it is, and if you're going to try to present a neutral and fact based approach to advocating for something, it weakens your argument by adding a weak link to the chain in my opinion.
I think finding the gay men dv cases as a percentage of total then correcting for it you could get a fairly close percentage. Likely within a percent for an infographic
[–]brownhorse 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
http://www.saveservices.org/wp-content/uploads/Seven-Facts-About-DV-1.pdf
shows stats for males and females in hetero, homo, and bi relationships. :)
Awesome. Thanks for the source, I've been wondering if the work has been done for a while
Again... you are ignoring the fact that lesbian relationships also have domestic violence... as well as mothers abusing their children...
You are expecting the male perpetrator of male abuse to be higher than the female perpetrator of female abuse... with really no explanation whatsoever...
[–]Chicken2nite -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All that I was trying to say is that a statistic about the gender of the victim does not indicate on it's own the gender of the perpetrator and as such would not be comparable to a statistic on the gender of perpetrators without another statistic to bridge them together.
You are inferring from that what I think the data would be on a related stat. I disagree with your inference.
What I would say is that just because statistically 1 in 5 women have been raped/sexually assaulted, that doesn't mean that 1 in 5 men are rapists.
If you want to look at the statistics of perpetrators...
Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%)
So, let me get this straight.
Comparing these two things:
Male victims (even though some perpetrators are male)
Female victims (even though some perpetrators are female)
Is comparing victims to perpetrators? How do you figure?
[–]thrway1312 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Relevant
[–]grimview[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Domestic violence source http://www.saveservices.org/wp-content/uploads/Seven-Facts-About-DV-1.pdf
[–][deleted] 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
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[+]yzakydzn -57 points-56 points-55 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, some of these are.. questionnable.
[–]MayaFey_ 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9wetwv/international_mens_day_is_nov_19/e9klah6/
/u/thejewsdidthis4073
[–]Hartifuil 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Scary right
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
There should be a list of sources at the bottom for each stat
Like this : men are 3.4x more likely than women to be imprisoned for the same crime1
Yadda yadda
1: source url
[–]grimview[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Its not the victims job to educate you but here you go:) http://i.imgur.com/lwMiD1Q.png
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If anything against this was presented without sources, we would be asking for sources.
It is literally your job to provide sources, as the person making the claim has the burden of proof on them. So by posting this, it became your job to provide sources, but it was originally the person who created its job.
Yeah, burden of proof.
[–]Darthwilhelm 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well it would go a long way to help.
The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim.
If you want to claim something without providing evidence it can be dismissed without providing evidence.
It’s just how the world do.
[–]TheDromes 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Out of curiosity, are there any studies on why there's so many homeless males? More likely to make investments risks, less likely to be taken in by family members, more likely to misuse the money donated to them (drugs) or something like that?
[–]nfbefe 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's much harder for men to sell sex for housing. Not a joke, that's why.
[–]domdbomb13 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know the statistic, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of homeless veterans, so that also is likely part of the problem.
[–]openup91011 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would also guess (again not sure of the actual stats), that maybe prevalence of women’s shelters also adds somewhat to the numbers playing out the way they do.
[–]abatoire -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Firstly, "more likely to misuse the money donated to them (drugs)". A drug addict is a drug addict. O don't think being male factors in all to much.
I think the reason why is because alot of people on the street have problems. Be it bad money choices, mental health, drug/alcohol addition etc. Women will ask for help, men typically won't. Hence women are taken in (as they ask before they are evicted, addicted etc).
The factor is sociological and psychological. Boys are told not to cry, as it's weakness. "MAN UP" being a popular example. Additionally, there the prehistoric points were social skills and bonding was key to success for women whereas being a good hunter was for men (being generic I know but you get my meaning).
There is no easy solution to homelessness in general. Either way, I think it's disgraceful that it's still such a problem. I freely admit that I don't talk to homeless people, but when I see people who do stop and take the time. They are champions in my eyes. We need more people like them.
[–]many_mean_comments 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for reminding me, I will spread the message
[–]Cherrrieeeesss 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Marked in my calendar.
[–]masterdebator300 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Suicide is as much as 10x more in some other countries ... Including shrilanka and japan.
[–]snoxxn 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let's get dudes some mental healthcare support.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know the exact number of how much, but don’t men have higher car insurance because they’re male?
[–]BraveNewNight 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
don’t men have higher car insurance because they’re male
Men are a higher risk group, therefore they pay more. Just like you'll pay more as a guy from the cosovo compared to a german in europe, for example.
Some countries forbid such "discrimination", despite it being based on simple, mathematical fact.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Like the US forbids "discriminating" against women on health care pricing... but not men on automobile pricing.
[–][deleted] 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly.
[–]Lanoir97 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For what it's worth, in high school I paid 96 dollars per month for insurance, while a girl I knew paid 80 bucks for 6 months. We both drove really old trucks and both had comparable liability only policies.
I know my dad had to pay more when adding my brother to the insurance versus adding me (outing myself as a female on this sub).
[–]semvhu 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A quick Google shows it's because statistically men cause more accidents than women. However, the first site I looked at suggested that if you account for miles driven, it's about the same; men drive way more than women.
[–]nfbefe 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Except most insurance is not paid per mile.
[–]Me_ADC_Me_SMASH 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
add to the list that men have less higher education
[–]tonermcfly 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The last time I merely posted “happy international men’s day!” On fb, I just ended up getting attacked in the comments ¯_(ツ)_/¯
[–]IComeBaringGifs 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just giving you the head's up, this made it onto r/all (even though it's 4-5 pages down), so it's probably going to be brigaded soon.
[–]Whanny 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wonder if we will get a google doodle for once
[–]FreedomThinker20 37 points38 points39 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I immediately think of the Jordan Peterson response in his GQ interview when the interviewer says she believes we live in a patriarchy. Some great patriarchy we live in when men are the expendable sex.
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[–]FreedomThinker20 17 points18 points19 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Here you go I don’t remember when it was exactly, but it takes a while before he brings it up
[–]ZouDave 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's at least a bit of it here, not sure this is all of it.
[–]nfbefe 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Some men can be at the top while others are at the bottom.
So... not a patriarchy then...
Plenty of people seem to think that because a bunch of the people in power are men, it somehow also works the other way and all men are in power over women. Seems ro be the whole basis behind the "patriarchy" argument.
[–]admiralackbar2017 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a big guy with a deep voice. I get the police called if I raise my voice at someone. And I've even gotten locked up for it, and I didn't even say what they claimed I said. And it was recorded! Everyone had the recording. It doesn't matter, big guy with a deep voice? Lock him up!
[–]warcroft 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This makes me feel a bit better
[–]Azure_Triedge 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hope everyone is participating in Movember to support men’s mental health
Let's ask what problems most men or boys face for just being boys or men. Most men who are in jail, for example, chose the lifestyle but completely innocent boys get discriminated against in schools. And that discrimination can have a huge effect on their lives.
Oh look, it's all those facts feminists ignore.
[–]OddlySpecificReferen 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can I have citations for all of these? Not because I'm skeptical or trying to disprove them, but because when I bring these issues up people just straight up don't believe me.
[–]The_Best_01 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not a new poster but still 100% relevant.
[–]PudgeHasACuteButt 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So is 7.20
[–]Xpress711 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
FeelsGoodMan
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t forget the whole war thing.
[–]simondrawer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All this fuss for International Men’s Day got me wondering if there is an International Women’s Day.
/s
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[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The stat is for the same crime
[–]None_of_your_Beezwax 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, that should be clearer.
[–]mrbosco9 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's literally outlined in the graphic..
[–]None_of_your_Beezwax 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The fact that is qualified in the final statistic is what makes it unclear whether the same qualifcation applies to the one just above.
[–]Macismyname 48 points49 points50 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good on you for questioning the statistics and looking at both sides with the same eye for skepticism! You are my favorite person today.
Men have on average longer prison sentences for the same crimes. Women are more likely to receive probation or to get a suspended sentence. Yes, men do also commit more crimes but this isn't relevant to this stat since it's for the average sentence once convicted. We're not looking at total convictions but the rates at which they are convicted.
[–]idealcastle 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men are automatically looked at as “worse” and “guilty” by default compared to women. We are designed to look at other men as competition, so we don’t always give them the benefit of doubt compared to a women accused of the same crime. Men have always rotted away in prison and been forgotten about while women are let go because “she can procreate” it’s inhumane to lock her away and throw away the key because women ultimately are higher on the food chain than men. It’s societal and cultural. There is no equality.
[–]None_of_your_Beezwax 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's after controlling for variables. Men get harsher treatment at every level of the process. In absolute, raw terms the ratio is more 94:6. If men and women were treated the same the ratio would be much closer to 50/50.
So if you reported the incarceration gap like you did the wage gap you would end up saying that there is an incarceration gap of 95%.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We need to fix this! Feminism is equality! /s
Men's day should not be about all that shit. It should be about celebrating men. No one is going to be participate if it's about feeling bad for people, and that's why I'm celebrating men on November 19.
[–]Kartoffee 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Only 40% of domestic abuse victims are male? That means 60% are female! rreeeEEEEEEE!!!
[–]trap_monkey 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Children also but not sure if they would be put into gender categories
[–]nforne 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And what percentage of DV funding goes to helping men, hmmm?
[–]Kartoffee 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
40% of the loose change found at shelters for women.
[–]BlackBoxInquiry 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Wonder what the numbers are for verbal/emotional/mental abuse.
Without looking it’s probably more than half..anyone have a number?
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I have this number: 6, it's my favorite number
[+]BlackBoxInquiry -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's because it rhymes with sex...isn't it? :P
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no
[–]Catthew918 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
42
[–]Yromemtnatsisrep 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is that the answer?
[–]Catthew918 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. 42 is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
[–]Mystery-time-lady 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't wait to celebrate this day, I swear some of my classes have misandrists. in fact I had to tell people who didn't even know what misandry meant. and everyone is always surprised when I tell them that 76% of suicide victims are male.
[–]Saladmitts 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm wondering if all if these points except the last one is actually due to any inequality or if that's just a quirk with numbers similar to the paygap myth. If someone can give me more information about the reasons for these statistics I will gladly appreciate that.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the first two can be attributed to lack of resources for men.
[–]Saladmitts 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for a lead mate. I'll look more into it when I have time.
I’ve seen a nearly identical info graphic with citations. Searching now.
[–]bootyjuice89 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same day as the twenty one pilots concert, that's gonna be how I celebrate
[–]Lranki709 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey, you have sources, I’d love some sources(thank you)
[–]Azure_Triedge 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read one of the top comments
[–]macaryl95 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
autistic screeching in the distance
[–]NOTcreative- 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like this and will probably post this on the book of face but I have a couple grievances. Why did it stop with statistics when saying majority of violent crimes or against men? Real statistics work better. Also negates workplace and combat deaths. Would like to see those added.
[–]Hadashi_blacksky 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I personally think we should have demanded it be put it on Remembrance Sunday because that way nobody would dare take the piss out of it.
🙌🏻
I’ve seen one like this but with citations. Anyone have that laying around?
[–]grimview[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here you can just add international men's day to this image and post instead to raise awareness. A quick look on the Right side menu found the Domestic violence Statistic
[–]ifelsedowhile 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
toxic masculiniteh!
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[–]Kabayev 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What do when you don’t like international anything day?
[–]Rogocraft 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
!remindme november 13
[–]meatballjesus14 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I no joke saw an an ad that said 15% of the homeless were women
[–]stank_maymer 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gonna put this up around my school
[–]Riptide360 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lots of boys in this world, very few men. We are the lost generation, failing by many accounts. What a man won't do for the love of a good woman...
[–]AdrastusSY 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are more homeless women yeah they are called prostitutes and stripers.
[–]BeepShow 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol men complaining and acting like victims because of thing that they do to themselves and other men do is the most man thing ever. Grow a pair maggots
[–]pixelies 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally true. We should leave the complaining and acting like a victim to the women. They do it better. Man day should be a celebration of our awesomeness.
[–]malcatrino -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Aren’t the perpetrators of these crimes listed mostly men?
[–]Yromemtnatsisrep 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Irrelevant. It’s not men vs women. It should men and women vs social problems.
MRA’s are saying “we have some issues that we’d like your helping fixing”
Now if random woman x doesn’t want to help innocent man y because of the actions of guilty man Z, we have a bigger problem.
[–]Azure_Triedge 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok and Muslim people are a majority of terrorists, does that mean we should not give a shit about the entire group just because a few of them are a majority in an evil group? No.
[+]LaserReptar -23 points-22 points-21 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
But it's the men who cause other men grief. So what exactly do you want anyone to do with this information?
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Yes, because the countless women making false rape claims to ruin innocent mens' reputations and making them serve jail time they never deserved means nothing.
Honestly why are you even here if you're just gonna be condescending?
[–]LaserReptar -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
False rape accusations are extremely rare.. Countless more women are actually raped and many don't report the crime because of people like you who put such a spotlight on the false claims which makes it seem like every case is a false claim. Sure there are some problems that men face in their day to day lives but as I said before, the majority of grief is caused by other men not women.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
If they don't report the crime then how do you know they were victims of rape???
And no, they're really not. Just look it up; there are countless men being convicted of false allegations just because the woman is a psychotic manipulator.
[–]LaserReptar -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
US Bureau of Justice Statistics puts the number of reported sexual assault at 35%.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble but false allegations just are not as common as you think they are. They account for somewhere between 2 and 10 percent of all cases. It happens but if a woman is an actual psychotic manipulator there are telltale signs.
So again, men cause other men grief more times than women cause men grief. It's not a perfect world, never will be, but perhaps, men such as myself need to have a dialog about what causes men to be very barbaric in our nature. Why do so many men wage wars and why do so many succumb to their baser desires? Maybe we don't have enough education to know any better? Maybe our environment is to blame and we are simply products of it? Either way it's not an easy problem to tackle but pretending like we are the real victims here just seems disingenuous.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I suppose those statistics in the OP mean nothing to you then.
Which have definitely increased since it was posted last year.
[–]LaserReptar -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What about them? The only issue I see there is the fact that men serve longer sentences than women do. Besides that, 40% in domestic violence doesn't mean that all of those men are in a relationship with a woman. In fact, I'm willing to bet that number leans heavier on the relationships men have with other men.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You must be trolling at this point, because you cannot be seriously telling me that the only issue you see here is that men are abused.
The suicide rates, victims of violent crime (which includes murder, abuse, assault, knife/gun crime, etc.), and homelessness rates are clearly male-dominated. Millions of men are suffering but because of toxicity revolving around men not having to seek aid due to them being men and "having to suck it up", they have to struggle and try and survive.
Don't you fucking dare try and say the worst thing about this is that men are abused to a lesser extent than women. Because there is much, much more to this than that.
[–]LaserReptar 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay but what does any of it have to do with male rights? Do you want there to be a sub classification of men? Men's rights vs Men who don't have as much wealth or power rights? Because that's what it seems like, again the majority of grief that men face is caused by other men. You can deny that all you'd like but it's the truth. It seems like you and other folks on this subreddit are more concerned about spewing numbers and pointing a lot of blame on women for men's woes. Men have rights, they have more than most women on this planet do. The issues you bring up have more to do with the fact that our world is fucked by men who have more power than the average person.
[–]RolfMjau 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you feel less compassion towards male victims of assault and crime than females?
This issue is not about men vs women. These aren’t two feuding sports teams with blue and pink uniforms.
This is about men and women vs The Problem.
That problem being injustice and inequality.
When men as a whole need some help, we should help raise them up.
When women need some some help, we should help raise them up.
But none of this should ever be done at the expense of the other.
[–]Formless_Oedon_ 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly lol this sub is fucking sad lmao bunch’s trolls and babies
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And? Who votes these "men" into office? Women. Who's votes are these "men" bound to? Women...
So... there you go... now it's women's fault... feel better now?
[–]SANS_Fr0m_und3rta1e -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
ALL YOU MEN ARE JUST HIDING FROM THE FACT THAT YOUR ALL RAPISTS!
[–]grimview[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why isn't it called rape when a women illegally detained a baby inside of her body for 9 months? Rape is social construct meaning "to devalue" & used to scare women of sex so they will remain pure until they are sold. Otherwise the modern expansion includes any non-consented sexual contact and sense a child can not consent, all children are raped by their mothers. See if your OCD can top that if you want to compete in the oppression Olympics.
[–]SANS_Fr0m_und3rta1e 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ok if the baby is being illegally detained then just abort it.
[–]grimview[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Abortion is murder. Your not even trying to win.
That’s a whole other can of worms that shouldn’t be opened on this sub as it doesn’t necessarily correlate
[–]SANS_Fr0m_und3rta1e 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But you said being born is rape. I don't understand your twisted logic.
[–]bluescubidoo -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the 40% should be left out.
[+][deleted] -29 points-28 points-27 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There's a fucking day for everything, only pathetic nerds care about men's day or women's day.
[–]Ted8367 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
International Fucking Day.
[–]trap_monkey 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
June 9th international fucking day!
[–]nikdahl 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m sorry there isn’t an international douchebag day for you.
[–]pixelies -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As men, can we not try to out victim the women and just celebrate all the awesome shit we do?
[–]Azure_Triedge 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The main point of this poster is to show that women aren’t the only people who are ever victims, and to show that men are not invincible to all issues and that we both have good and bad things
[–]pixelies 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I get it, but I just don't like the vibe. If we're going to have a day about us, I want to celebrate us.
[–]dirtysacc -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Should've had 93% of workplace deaths are men instead of the 40% domestic abuse statistic. Women would be like "oh well we have 10% more so REEEEEEEE"
[–]Lilcee21 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but....... that means women are the other percent and that’s even worse /s
[+]Death_to_Fascism -14 points-13 points-12 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
lol
Something tells me this subreddit is full of altright incel niceguy scum.
[–]Azure_Triedge 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Supports Men’s Rights by spreading word of International Men’s Day = Altright Incel nice guy scum?
By that logic everyone who supports women’s day is an alt left communist feminazi.
Don’t put people in an umbrella.
[–]Death_to_Fascism -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I am a communist feminist. Maybe you’re right I may be projecting 🤔
[–]Yromemtnatsisrep 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will say though, while you get some toxicity (every group has got some), I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised by the civility and respectable discourse in this group.
To be honest, most of what I see is just frustration about the fudging of numbers and about the allocations for social programs being skewed.
[–]Panda_Faust -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I mean, 40% of men being domestic abuse victims just means 60% are females.
You can do math!
Jokes aside, that’s not the point. The point is that while 40% are men, more than 90% of aid goes to women. Have u heard of a men’s abuse shelter? I haven’t. One man tried to even start one and he had to shut it down cause of lack of funding. That’s the main issue being pointed out here
[+]Ryzasu -19 points-18 points-17 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
40% of domestic abuse is a bad statistic for this though as there are more women
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't mean there's an insignificant number of men or that their cases get covered the same way.
[–]Ryzasu 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I agree but this will be criticized similarly as the "one in four women are homeless" statistic
Of course, the point of this post I guess is to show that men can be victims too. The "who suffers more" game always has its flaws as the ones you mentioned.
The difference is that homelessness isn't treated as a gendered issue whereas domestic violence is
[–]Hartifuil 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lesbian domestic abuse is the highest proportion when controlled for size of group.
[–]OfficialDudeGuy-25 points 7 years ago [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link
what does men's rights have anything to do with comparing to women. Oh right, misogyny.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Why are you heeeeeeere???
[–]OfficialDudeGuy-12 points 7 years ago [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
It's a public site, etc. Why ask that question?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Because he wanted to know?
Hell, men have more serious issues at every stage of life...
Men are even raped (mostly by women) more than women are raped...
Yet, we give fuck all about men's issues... even when they are dying around us.
[–]OfficialDudeGuy2 points 7 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like you're misinformed, but okay; my point is you could just leave it at "Men are raped". You give a shit about making men's issues detract from women's which is unnecessary.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like you're misinformed, but okay;
Does it?
http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
The CDC classifies men raped by women under another category that isn't rape... but "made to penetrate".
When those are included, women and men have a fairly equal number of rapes in a given year...
That doesn't include prison rape, which puts men over the top soundly.
You give a shit about making men's issues detract from women's which is unnecessary.
Detracting from women's? Who cares about detracting from women's. Men have issues. They are worse at every stage of life than women's issues, and are ignored. That should change, and people should be informed.
[–]OfficialDudeGuy-1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Who cares about detracting from women's.
You do.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Prove it.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You frame your argument as men having it worse than women.
I think the point here is that in quite a few areas (as shown in the picture), they do have it far worse.
Now it isn’t saying “hey look at men! We have it bad! See!” but more bringing to light that we could use some help as well.
I point out the fact that men have it worse than women.
[–]NonOpinionated 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Feminists compare themselves to men all the time. I guess that makes them misandrists in your eyes?
Did I say feminists weren't?
[+]stordyvel -44 points-43 points-42 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
"40% of domestic abuse victims are men". So the rest are...?
[–]BeardedAvenger 31 points32 points33 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
60% female I can only imagine. I think the point isn't so much that one side has more than the other but that 40% while less than half is still a significant number and is generally ignored or dismissed.
[–]il_viapo 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here no-one ever said that women do not suffer from abuse or that there aren't any mostly women problems, the 40% domestic abuse point is made to make people aware that it happens to man too.
[–]SkullKing1412 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point is it's nearly half and almost nobody gives a fuck about male abuse victims. In fact people give so few fucks that they'll often just laugh and call them a pussy and/or bitch.
[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So almost half of victims are men and they get none of the coverage
One of the many other genders.
[+]wonchokoosey -12 points-11 points-10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men are bad
[+]Lazyninja -21 points-20 points-19 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol
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