Obesity and general slovenliness of the population are large factors in why people are struggling

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Konoha_Shinobee · 2024-03-19T23:53:32+00:00

70% of the US is overweight. 41% are obese....So, pushing half the population are clinically obese.

This. The people who say they want a healthy (19-21 BMI) woman don't realize that's a pretty high bar today. You need to be very attractive to get such a woman, because she's a rare commodity, increasingly rare.

CatholicChanner · 2024-03-19T23:57:11+00:00

It would probably help a bit but I'm unsure if this is a panacea even in places with comparatively little obesity people are having these same problems. Maybe the standards would just shift upwards where a guy who would be a 7 now ends up a 5 when everyone isn't fat. Basically no one in Japan, China, or Korea is fat but that hasn't helped the abysmal dating prospects for men and in many cases it is even worse. Shit stagnant salaries + a lack of free time and economic mobility seems to be the reason it is over for young men currently along with other factors like OLD.

I'm not a woman so I can't comment and pretend to know their struggles.

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-03-20T00:05:41+00:00

East Asian countries have plummeting birthrates and incel problems despite being thin. This isn't a large factor.

FreitasAlan · 2024-03-19T23:50:28+00:00

People will look for the best option they think they can get at the moment no matter how good or bad they think they are.

Good_Result2787 · 2024-03-19T23:56:36+00:00

Not saying it isn't an issue, but would point out that there are men and women in various countries where this really isn't an issue for much of the population who will still make the same complaints seen here. My partner is from a country where you really don't have rates even close to these percentages--people still complain about the same things.

I guess my point is, since you're asking how much better would it be... well it would definitely fix one thing, but it's hard to say how much of this one thing would solve many other issues given that I hear the same complaints from people elsewhere in the world.

toasterchild · 2024-03-20T00:06:23+00:00

Your grandparents generation were also prescribed speed as weight control and all smoked cigarettes constantly. Have you seen what people in the 60s/70s looked like at age 30 or 40?

Radiant_Specific6542 · 2024-03-20T00:17:43+00:00

We would have happier people of most people were at a healthy weight.

That alone would correlate to a more postive dating environment, let alone having better options to choose from.

OmoshiroiKudamono · 2024-03-20T01:19:31+00:00

(1) What percentage of the obese is less than 30 years old. If most of the overweightness is on the older people, that messes up the average.

(2) Even IF Basic Bob loses weight, he would only be in the top 30%. For the under 30 crowd, online is the primary way people meet. And the match rate is now (approaching) ONE percent (1%). He still needs 29% more to go. Unless Bob is in the top, he is STILL an invisible NPC.

For women, these thirsty, desperate men would STILL date an overweight woman. Sure, the quality could be better, but their hill is less steep.

throwaway234974 · 2024-03-20T00:18:22+00:00

I agree with this and it's a big reason why I'm more interested in younger women. I'm 31, very healthy/fit, and aging well. Women my age don't really seem to be taking care of themselves. I'd wager that 75% of the profiles I see are at least overweight. Even aside from weight, a lot just look older than I'd expect. I'm not looking for models or anything, but you can tell when someone has healthy habits (diet, exercise, sleep etc.) vs. not. Attraction is quite important to me, but it also just means our lifestyles won't be compatible. Plus I don't want it to be a challenge to only have eyes for my woman, ya know?

nightsofthesunkissed · 2024-03-19T23:52:59+00:00

Most obese people I know are 35+ and already married or partnered up.

I don't know that many young obese people but I'm not in the US so maybe it's different there? I wonder which percentage of obese people are 30+.

Where I'm from most people 18 - 25 are fit and slim.

Gen Z actually seem to have a much higher emphasis on gym culture and fitness than my generation (millennial).

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SkookumTree · 2024-03-20T00:08:37+00:00

> In many cases they can’t date each other. The bar can only go so low, even when one doesn't meet it themselves.

This is true - but the bar is a lot lower than 'obese, even morbidly obese, but holds a job and can keep a roof over their head and manage their own affairs'. It is very debatable whether a meth-using hobo is better off because they're in a relationship with another meth-using hobo. I think around five percent of people are terrible candidates for relationships. More than half of that is intellectual disability and severe psychotic disorders. Abusive pieces of shit, heavy alcohol or drug users, and severe physical health problems round out our five percent. The schizophrenic guy who stabbed his wife because he thought that would get the demons out of her...or the woman with liver failure because she drinks a fifth of whiskey every day...or the guy in a group home with an IQ of 50. Not good partners.

Safinated · 2024-03-20T00:24:24+00:00

Only if they’re lazy

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dabbydab · 2024-03-20T01:00:11+00:00

I agree with this.

People need to take an honest look at their level of effort before dismissing anyone who can attract the opposite sex as the absolute top 20% of chiseled good looks.

berichorbeburied · 2024-03-20T01:07:12+00:00

That’s an interesting point that unattractive people don’t want each other. That’s interesting.

Your post boils down to be the best you can be/be more sexually attractive. While that’s good advice practically. A large demographic of the total population does not believe in being the best you can be to attract another partner.

Also another part of your post is trying your hardest. This is really male perspective thinking applied to everyone. While yes it is true. Yes it will work. But you’re not taking into account free will. Some people don’t want to try. Some don’t want to be their best. So.

With free will. This dynamic will always exist. And it will skew always to some 1% of men deciding to be the best they can be and try there hardest. To get the 1% of attractive women. And for a woman to be attractive is less about “trying hard” perpetually and more about maximizing effort in a specific time frame. I.e at some point a woman who tries really hard will still look worse than a younger woman who doesn’t try at all. And tbf it’s the same for men. But the difference is trying hard for a man will give substantial results to where a 40–50 year old man that takes physique seriously could attract a wide range of women from different age ranges (for example pro wrestlers (WWE)). Where the reverse just isn’t true.

So while your theory is true and is common sense. It still skews towards a males perspective (if perspectives were divided into only male vs female perspectives). And it also doesn’t take into account free will. And people not wanting to be there best. Not wanting people who are at there best ect ect

Time-Guava5256 · 2024-03-20T01:07:38+00:00

Dating aside I am very happier at a lower weight. I’ve lost and maintained a 55 pound weight loss and find myself much happier and less in pain in my day to day life. I’m still at BMI 23 at 5’8” but I totally agree we have an eating problem here + unrealistic expectations..at least in the US.

puddingbike · 2024-03-20T02:02:52+00:00

Obesity and general slovenliness of the population are large factors in why people are struggling

You are correct OP. When I used to participate here and dudes were looking for advice about getting a date or relationship, the first thing I'd tell them is get your appearance on point. That's number one on the list.

People don't like to hear that because they think it says something negative about women: that women are superficial. They are. Everyone is: male and female. And, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with wanting an attractive partner. I'd argue it's as normal as normal gets.

How much less of an issue would gender dynamics in the dating market be if men and women looked healthier, fitter, better/more formerly dressed, as in our grandparent’s generation? Then it would be easier to accept pairing up at their level.

You are correct. People don't want to hear this. They want to be sloppy and eat whatever they want and be lazy about exercise and be all around slovenly and squeeze their fat bodies into their shit-stained sweatpants. And, they sure as hell don't want to be told that this is what they are. The truth hurts.

TRTGymBro · 2024-03-20T02:23:46+00:00

Patrickstarho · 2024-03-19T23:47:59+00:00

If we are judging obesity by bmi then it’s not accurate

Title	Obesity and general slovenliness of the population are large factors in why people are struggling
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Date	March 19, 2024 11:44 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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