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Need some advice on how to respond

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March 28, 2017

Hey guys. I haven't completely swallowed the RP , it is stuck in my throats right now. But I am engaged in the reading on the sidebar.

I have really started to dial in my diet and am dropping weight, as well as doing other things to improve myself.

How do you respond when your SO starts to question your motivation and your appearance and whatnot?

Edit: thanks for the comments so far. Right now I have responded with "for my health. And I like the attention from you and others". It lets her know there is outside attention to me"

I need to tread lightly as my situation is different than many of you guys here. My wife is dealing with some massive PTSD and it affects everything including our relationship.

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Title Need some advice on how to respond
Author Terribledragon4Hire
Upvotes 11
Comments 66
Date 28 March 2017 04:56 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

You don't have to answer every question she asks you know. There's no requirement that you provide an explanation.

If you are just getting started then stfu is your new best friend. Smile, grab her, and change the subject.

[–]anythingincRed Beret11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy

I have resigned myself to really putting my own ego away and doing everything I can to support her more. It's been tough on me to do that, but for her I will.....I need to tread lightly as my situation is different than many of you guys here. My wife is dealing with some massive PTSD and it affects everything including our relationship.

My gf had "PTSD" and "depression" and "anxiety" too. She says it was because of her rape and abusive ex.

The more I cared about that shit, the more I lived in her frame, the more I enabled her feelings and perpetuated a negative cycle. The more eggshells I walked on, the more broken eggs littered the floor. The more I tried to sneak out some validation between her clinched arms the more I fed her problems.

The more I improve myself and make a life outside of her, the more she lives in MY frame and doesn't experience those things. She used to have to be drunk or stoned to have sex half of the time. She used to take a few klonopins a day. She used to shut down sometimes when we had sex. She thought she needed antidepressants. She used to have "chronic pelvic pain" that would put her in bed once a week. She used to get "triggered."

In MY frame none of that happens. I showed her how to smile again. I showed her how to laugh again. In my frame, she could live carefree. Of course, now the goal posts have moved and I need to do even better to satisfy her genuine desire. Hypergamy doesn't care. Improving yourself is difficult. The status quo is easy.

TBP and feminists (my gf is a feminist, I say I am too) HATE this saying, but fuck I love it.

Every unhappy wife is a rape victim

Now, you and I actually are dating rape victims. And right now, your wife is living like a rape victim. Sounds fucked up I know. Thankfully, you can help her NOT live like a rape victim anymore. How? MRP. Being attractive and not being unattractive. Building a frame and moving her into it. Being a strong, attractive masculine presence that doesn't enable her victimhood.

Is your life so valueless that martyrdom is the best use of it? How sexy does that make her feel? How good of a partner can you be when you are subservient to another person's neurosis? When she is shut down do you lounge around and wait for her to feel better? When she can't be touched do you talk soothingly to her and weasel in until you can get YOUR validation quotas of physical affection and intimacy? Doesn't that sound pathetic? Hope you don't do that. Lord knows I did.

I haven't completely swallowed the RP , it is stuck in my throats right now.

You need TRP. You need to learn to value yourself more. You need to learn that YOU are the prize. You need to learn that trying to be validated and self-actualized via enabling another person does not work. You need MRP because right now, your poor wife is a rape victim, and it is currently your fault for not having the frame she needs to live inside of for a better life. It is your fault for enabling her, for making her live in her own PTSD hell instead of having an awesome life of your own that she can work to be a part of by pleasing you. If you were alone in the woods, in the dark, and heard a noise, you might get "triggered" too...but what if you had somebody awesome besides you, that you believed in, that you lived for, that you treasured, whose frame you lived in...and you looked over at them...and they had a flashlight, and a map, and a gun, and didn't look worried? Would that noise still "trigger" you? Time for you to find out OP. It is not going to be easy or happen quickly.

SO starts to question your motivation and your appearance and whatnot?

1) She is worried. Worried that you will improve enough to do better than her. Worried that her faithful crutch might be tired of her bullshit. That is good. The first thing some women looking to trade up do is hit the gym. They understand. A relationship that YOU enjoy is impossible as long as she does not fear losing you. It is called dread. That can sound bad to newbies. What do you value? What do you respect? What do you sacrifice for? What do you genuinely desire? Something you don't care about losing? Something slavishly devoted to you? Something easily replaced? No. You treat somebody with options better.

2) You probably kinda suck, and she is used to you not following through. She doesn't believe you have it in you to improve enough to become self-actualized and do better than the timid validation she ekes out to you. Besides, everything you do is for her benefit anyway right?

When you say anything like "for you, for attention, for sex" you are proving #2.

The part of MRP you won't like...

We can't promise that you will end up with your wife, but we promise you will be happier and can easily do better than her.

The day might come when you are sexy, self-actualized, interesting, busy, owning all your shit....and she isn't there. She can't follow you, she can't live in your frame, and she can't or won't put in the effort to please you. And that is okay. Because when that day comes, you won't be making your decisions to stay or go from a position of fear and scarcity and martyrdom. You will know what to do then. We can't make that choice for you. But what we can do is help you make choices along your journey to that place.

  • Step 1: If you are fat, none of this shit matters. Work out. Shut the fuck up.
  • Step 1B: In case you are a validation sneaker like I was. When she is shut down, leave. Do something else. Something fun. You do not waste your time hoping she feels better soon. Do not cuddle and squeeze hoping you can comfort her back to normalcy. It has been 14 years. Whatever you have been doing hasn't worked.

"I love you baby, hope you get feeling better soon, see you later."

50/50 you kinda suck and do sucky things so wallowing at home in bed always seems like a good idea. Work on that.

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Tampotissues1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

In my frame, she could live carefree.

Thanks for this.

Hypergamy doesn't care. Improving yourself is difficult. The status quo is easy.

What do you mean by this?

[–]anythingincRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy


No matter what I've done for her in that past, it doesn't matter anymore. When she was more "symptomatic," when she was in a "bad place," when she had "low self esteem", when she "was not comfortable with her body," my frame was a welcome respite. Now that she "is in a better place" thanks to me and my frame, her expectations have increased as well, she has been able to grow as a person and now she wants a frame of her own...meaning I need to have my life MORE on lock, and be MORE attractive, and have an even stronger frame.

The amazing thing is that she can hold different viewpoints simultaneously.

  • I'm "in a better place" because of what I have done alone
  • If you left me I would have nothing and be nowhere and I would be crushed
  • I would be just fine without you

That is called solipsism. It's a feature not a bug.

I don't want to improve, I don't want to work harder, I don't want to always be busy. It is difficult. I want to be lazy, I want the status quo, but I can't, because I am a man, and the burden of performance is real. The warning is for OP. Be awesome for yourself, because it is not worth it to be awesome for someone else, because hypergamy and solipsism means they don't care. There is no appreciation for saving anyone. The goalpost is always moving. Be the best man you can, and if she isn't what you need in your life then move on.

[–]OldRoke1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent post, really needed this

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus Christ, you a speech writer or something? That was a heck of a speech. I'm going to reread it again after the gym tonight.

I might have questions afterwards.

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man. Thanks for the post. I have read it 5 times this morning. Been thinking about a fight we had last week.

I got all beta butthurt at some response of hers to something I did. Then it escalated very badly. My frame crumpled, and she carpet bomb shit tested me:

There are some questions I have about her shit tests and me being stoic. When she gets triggered and is sobbing in bed there is no way I can just leave. That would play into abandonment issues. How can I handle this. Lately I have been the stoic calm force that just speaks to her softly and helps her calm down. Comments?

How do I deal with a constant onslaught of negativity from her, then she shit tests about not responding to her.

Honestly I am beta as fuck with her: I am constantly dependant on her validation and praise that I am sick of it. I'm sitting here angry at her for everything.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

You are getting good responses here. Let's talk mindset.

I need to tread lightly as my situation is different than many of you guys here.

No. It's not. You aren't special. You're here for the same reason. Circumstance may be a different but that just means you need to consider how not what. For instance Dread may be something you apply far more slowly then anything else.

My wife is dealing with some massive PTSD and it affects everything including our relationship.

First, the MRP path doesn't say be a dick. Women and men have medical issues, this doesn't mean you need to be an ass and shut her off. It also doesn't mean you just roll over and die.

If her PTSD is diagnosed and real she needs you to be the strong Oak Red Pill man we talk about. She needs to know the relationship is strong. Yet...MRP saves the man, not necessarily the marriage.

There will be times when you will look at her say

"babe. I know you got things going on. I have stuff to do." Kiss her good, smack her ass and walk out.

Then come back like you said.

Yet this requires you to have built your frame. Have proven your worth to her. She won't like that you are leaving, but she will get it. But when you come back she will welcome it with open arms (and ideally legs).

Not every tool in the MRP toolbox is a hammer.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

No. It's not. You aren't special. You're here for the same reason. Circumstance may be a different but that just means you need to consider how not what. For instance Dread may be something you apply far more slowly then anything else.

Truth here OP. In fact, every new poster needs to learn this. +1

[–]cholomiteMod / BP Downvote Magnet12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

"And I like attention from you and others"

This was a fuckup, don't ever say shit like it again. Only beta faggots do shit for others to notice and get validation from. Total weaksauce. Telling your wife that you are getting outside attention does not induce dread, and will have zero positive results.

You don't have to explain yourself to her, so say whatever you want. You just want to be healthy, you want to be strong for the upcoming zombie apocalypse, or whatever else you want to say.

[–]gettingmymojobackRed Beret5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've used the zombie one lately. Her: "why can't you skip your cardio workout today?" Me: "Rule #1 of Zombieland. Cardio"

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

lmao, thought i was weird for using zombies as an excuse for living healthy . . . do it all the time

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So many things are answered by it. "why so much pantry stuff?" "why did you order 100 lbs of ammo?" "is that another gun?" "do we really need such a big generator? "

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks. Well put.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

"Just trying to get healthy."

Then flip it on her, "why? Do you not want me to workout?"

Although most noobs don't have the verbal jiu-jitsu chops to go head to head with a woman so tread carefully.

[–]A_RexRED KNIGHT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

The pressure flip is a highly under-utilized shit test response in here. You're right that it may not be for noobs, but it should be part of the repertoire for more advanced guys.

[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes your woman is itching for drama. Sometimes she doesn't care what kind, so if you can keep her on her toes and generate emotion she get that. Feelz before reelz.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

pressure flip is a highly under-utilized shit test response in here.

If we could pressure flip our wives and hold frame we would already be getting laid regularly. Put another way completely, it is very difficult to use the pressure flip unless you are getting laid regularly. IMHO.

[–]A_RexRED KNIGHT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you can do it if done with a smile and from a place of Amused Mastery. You're right that PUA neg-style flips won't work on a wife without iron-clad frame

[–]Redpillbrigade170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point. If he's shaking like a cornered rabbit facing a cobra any talking will sink him further.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

When people have asked me a version of this in recent weeks I've used an answer adapted from a Jocko Live video

"Because I, uh, want to be able to destroy everything in the world, and be stronger and faster than anyone who would attack me, and I want to be able to throw my kids in the air when they're teenagers, and Im going to be responsible with my life and body" and then walk away

Ive loved giving that answer because it makes me laugh inside. But, YMMV

[–]drty_prRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Cause I want to"

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

"Because I want to" is the only reason you need to give. But you could say, I want to be a better person.

Any time that you make a life change the people that know you are going to be nervous. Not just your wife, anybody. They have put you in a box and now you are shaking things up for them. But they will adapt to the new box in time.

If you can believe it, my wife once told me I could lose weight but "don't get too skinny" - so I set my personal goal so I would be healthy but not too skinny. It took a year before I realized how fucked up that was.

[–]cholomiteMod / BP Downvote Magnet8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Mine was the opposite. I was always skinny and lanky and goofy looking. My gf claimed she loved it, even had a t-shirt that said "I dig scrawny pale guys" with a skeleton man on it. I bought that shit 100% until I saw her turn into giggly putty in front of a tanned muscular guy at a bbq.

Thank god I can see through the bullshit now. She still gives me shit over working out, but her actions tell a whole different story.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

damn. the more I learn, the more I see that you simply can't listen to anything they say.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

EDIT: I also learned "don't get too skinny" was her own insecurity, like, "don't become too valuable or I will be in danger of losing you / won't be able to control you"

[–]AustralianArm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy


I've heard this myself.

[–]All_Ads_Deceive2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my experience, the only women who admit to liking jacked guys are 1) hot enough to tie down an Alpha 2) slutty girls who are only interested in casual sex at the moment.

Women hamster what they like so they feel desirable. They can tie down lanky betas and dadbod betas. The second a buff guy shows them attention, they give it up easy

[–]Redpillbrigade173 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

"What babe? You didn't know you married Superman?? How do you think he gets all his power, silly. Now move your sweet little ass/ lips / cheeks etc over here so I can kiss them after a hard day's work."

Something like that. The point is that her asking you is a non-issue. Hey it's a reason to treat her like a sweet little girl that she is. It's like she's in the sandbox taking an interest in YOUR awesome new toy.

The very worry in your head of "OMG how will I respond when she questions me??" is a sign that you have long way to go from being a scared little boy who got caught doing something that he thought (or had been conditioned to think...) was not allowed. Move from that to being a confident, love-being-in-your-skin adult man whose duty is to work out, stay in shape, learn, focus on his career/ purpose/ business, have fun and create a following including a hot/smart/ loyal woman and maybe kids if you want them.

You get the idea. Get to work and enjoy the ride. Ah and remember the 16 commandments of poon. One of them is to fuck her with abandon. Fuck her like it's your last fuck. She'll love it.

[–]maxofreddit2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like a lot of responses, I've found that either Agree & Amplify or STFU are the best responses to pretty much everything.

Take this to heart.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

This morning as my wife was initiating sex with me, she made the comment that she liked me so much better before, "when you weren't so skinny". This she said as she was rubbing my muscles. I think, she thought that she meant what she said, but, her actions have proved that she doesn't know what she means.

I no longer "deer" this question other than to say, "I like being healthy". Then she took her panties off.......

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

I love how they grab your muscles when they cum but complain about you going to the gym and assure you that big muscles are gross. At first I was appalled but now I just laugh at her. She's a lawyer and it doesn't matter. This behavior is like a deep program in them.

Lots of people talk. Few of them know. Soul of a woman was created below.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, I'm Dazed and Confused too.

I think I have seen no less than a hundred concrete FR references to this in the very short time I've been here. Incongruent behavior, applied with extreme congruence.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Incongruent behavior, applied with extreme congruence.

This would make an excellent tramp stamp.

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Upvote for your last sentence

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Aw shucks, the next sentence gets better.....

Then she grabbed my.....

[–]RBuddDwyerRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Further down the road you should be ready for The Relationship Reset

. and the coup de grace, when she wants to have a BIG TALK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP and she says “I don’t like how you have been acting the last [fill in the blank]…” and you look her square in the eye and shrug “you don’t have to”.

BOOOOM goes the dynamite. Relationship reset activated. #winning #welcomebacktestes #tingles

I love this post.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

massive PTSD

Let me guess that makes you Captain Save-A-Ho.

Self improvement is awesome but unless sex is a problem go easy on the Dread.

How do you respond when your SO starts to question your motivation and your appearance


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup, he is Cap'N save a ho. There is no saving victims like this. Let ' em rot

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

well - why ARE you doing it?

"So you will want to fuck me"

bad answer

"So women will want to fuck me"

bad answer

"Coz I want to"


best answer is right below this :


[–]openwheelr1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't admit to anything beyond the desire to improve yourself. Or better say nothing, although that didn't seem natural to me. You kinda fucked up by admitting you like the increased attention.

When I lost a few pounds and dropped a pant size she picked up on it. I got compliments and doses of "no one told you to do this" in equal measure. Then I bought free weights and have been hitting them daily. Last time we had sex she said "I can feel more of your bones (referring to my back) now, please don't lose more weight". Then she went and bought a shit ton of my fave snacks.

She got a little taste of dread and has been fighting it, I believe (hence the snacks for hubby). I need to do more to keep her a little uncomfortable. I'm finding that whatever I do becomes the new normal. The work never ends.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I'm always improving myself; what are you working on?"

[–]donedreadpirateRed Beret[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I need to tread lightly because blah blah hamster...

You don't need to do anything you don't want to. Sure, give her time to catch up, but don't get caught in this cycle of framing everything you're doing in a way that works for her. Are you doing this to make her change or to make you change?

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mostly me. I'm making changes for me.

[–]donedreadpirateRed Beret[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good then you don't owe her an explanation. Just don't go full autistic about how you're​ developing this MAP program in order to x,y,z and on and on so she'll find you​ more attractive, etc. Then you're fine. It's on your terms, not hers.

[–]SexistFlyingPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see how the answer to this question is even a little hard.

[–]HerukaRising0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Recently, there was a discussion on /r/fitness on the topic of "Why do you train?" Here are two of my favorite answers:

To crush my foes, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women.


I want women to lick my abs.

Try these and see which one works better.

[–]PersaeusRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

To crush my foes, see them driven before me and hear the lamentations of their women.

Conan the Barbarian (aka "the arnold"), in response to the question:

"Conan, what is best in life?"

[–]HerukaRising0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My wife has PTSD from combat. It only hit home how deep in the shit I wad when I went to a recovery centre for advice on how to lower her stress levels because I was getting depressed and suicidal from trying to help her and the simple reply was: you can't, only she can.

I was advised to go and get therapy myself to learn to help me rather than focus on others and if I needed up getting what I wanted from the relationship then great, otherwise it was a divorce because everyone breaks eventually.

Best advice I've ever had even if it was a bitter pill to swallow.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Well honey, I joined Fight Club and hopefully you will lbe wanting me again, because my life revolves around you. Did I forget to tell you some other bitches are sniffing my ass, too ?"

How attractive.

Lift, read, smile. Lift, read, smile. Lift, read, smile. Don't talk about Fight Club. Tread lightly with the escalation of Dread Lift, read smile.

Do. When in doubt STFU. Very carefully think before speaking. Never dump your feelz or brag. Let her see and she will feel it.

Perhaps your best indication of your improvements comes from her visiting health care professionals if she has real problems or, they will become much less of a problem mysteriously and not come up

Attractive ?

Lift, smile, read and diet changes to way of life. Look at Whole 30 or Paleo. Or Keto. Embrace. Eat for health. Lift fir health. Read for mental awareness and health.

Embrace MRP for a while new improved you, for you. Smile- OI, Abundave and Frame. Fake it until you make it

If you have always answered her questions like a beta bitch, retract your answers slowly with a deviant smile and give her lead over time. Stop DEERing. She will feel something is up. Do not tell her about changes you are making. Do them.

Carefully craft a plan to avoid Nubee MRP Rambo. Lift, diet, read and smile. STFU - but avoid deaf mute anger behavior.

Action. Acta non verba. Be attractive. Do not act attractive. Just do

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

The PTSD thing sounds like complete bullshit to me.

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Yeah well you can ask any veteran that has suffered from PTSD

[–]ParadoxThatDrivesUs1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

If she's an actual veteran with diagnosed PTSD, then that's a different story. Lots of guys (me included) imagine in the beginning that their wife/situation is uniquely difficult. Just alerting you to that possibility. Either way, it'll become clear in time.

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

She had been clinically diagnosed with it. She was violently raped and curb stomped by an ex. He took a knife to her and cut her up. She spent 6 weeks with her jaw wired shut.

20 years later and our marriage went to shit. Marriage counselling, the therapist caught it and had a few sessions with her and diagnosed her

That being said, her hamster wheel isn't on the wheel the same way other women's is.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, this is really bad. Any woman who would choose a partner who could do that is fundamentally damaged. Any woman who has dated a dark triad sociopath, let alone a woman who has been assaulted by them is permanently on the scrap heap as far as LTRs go. You have two of the biggest red flags in the book. It is a total dealbreaker. Get out while you still can

[–]nastynickdrRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second this. You would have to be a fucking strong oak alpha with dark triad skills to "maybe" make this work. You are textbook captain save a hoe. It sucks but she is damaged goods. Its not your fault and you cant fix her, she just is.

"That being said, her hamster wheel isn't on the wheel the same way other women's is."

You clearly got a long way to go. Keep reading. Keep improving yourself. Keep lifting like your life depends on it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Shit man. That's an impossible situation for you. My wife was roughed up by an ex-- he dragged her across the floor and maybe raped her (who knows)-- but not really as bad as your lady. I can understand where he was coming from because my lady will dare me to take a swing at her.

You have to disconnect any expectation of MRP making your marriage better. I get caught in that cycle often and periodically I have to step back

[–]Terribledragon4Hire[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks. There are certain aspects that are great about MRP that would work for any man. Some of which are continual self improvement, increased reliability & don't give a fuck about other people's opinions about you. But yes I agree, some situations do not allow for a complete Red Pill makeover

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So defensive. So passive agressive. Do you respond to your wife like this as well.?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here we are in complete agreement. The PTSD is pure bullshit to keep Cap'N Save a ho in line. He needs to wake the fuck up. She dated a dark triad thug and he is left paying the bill. Grow a pair bitch

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ohhhh dear. There is no fixing her or the relationship. Read Rollo's posts on the reconstruction. Basically beta you entered an LTR with a woman that a more alpha you would not have. You will never have a perfect relationship, she is too damaged. Plus she previously dated a sociopath, you can never bring the same feelings to her that he did. You are just left with the mess. Most guys in here will not tell you this, but I will. Run for the hills. You cannot make this relationship work in the long term. It is doomed.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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