How can TERPS simultaneously hate single mothers AND hate hypergamy?

PPD-Angel · 2018-04-18T03:36:33+00:00

This is going to be tagged as a “Q4RP”. All top level comments must be from the appropriate demographic.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-04-18T04:08:12+00:00

You have to get outside of your emotional frame.

TRP asserts hypergamy exists and men can either learn to deal with it or suffer in denial. Hatred is a personal emotion. I’m RP and I don’t hate hypergamy. It simply is reality.

As for single mothers,

Only garbage humans expect others to clean up their messes.

concacanca · 2018-04-18T03:00:55+00:00

It's pretty obvious no?

Single mothers gravitate towards, and have kids with, alpha bums who turn out to be terrible at provisioning.

We understand why. The right mixture of alpha and beta traits are hard to find and most women need to actually work to help introduce and develop more of what's lacking (mostly alpha for most guys).

Single mothers are women who vet poorly. They choose the man who has the looks and personality to build attraction but not the temperament or skills to provide comfort.

Hypergamy won't push a woman towards a better beta who might actually be better at raising a family. It pushes her towards a better beta who already has the attractive traits she has from the kind of man who she had a baby with. So now she's asking for a better class of man than an overweight single mother deserves, even with men's propensity to date down.

More often than not she is going to end up with some poor bastard who has already had a divorce and just wants a second shot at family life or an unattractive guy just lookong for his Disney fairytale and she will make his life miserable because he only provides comfort and resources but not attraction.

That's why.

Salty-Bastard · 2018-04-18T02:51:22+00:00

Hypergamy is 100% necessary to keep 80% of men from eating Cheetos, watching the game, getting fat and lazy. A man without a challenge is a man without a purpose.

Five_Decades · 2018-04-18T02:45:11+00:00

Single motherhood is a side effect of hypergamy. Women leaving a good (but not amazing man) to play the field and then he won't take her back afterwards. Or they chase after the good looking bad boy who gives them good DNA but won't stick around to raise the kid. Either way, women who can keep their hypergamous urges or their urges for bad boy DNA in check are less likely to end up as single mothers.

Single motherhood is a side effect of unchecked hypergamy.

Dweller_of_the_Abyss · 2018-04-18T03:33:26+00:00

This is because females are calibrated to be attracted to ass kickers and shit takers. Y'all females still think you're in the savannas of Africa, and still judging men by those same primal conditions. A lot of your female instincts on mate selection haven't caught up with the times, and may never catch up. How the fuck does an otherwise okay/attractive man "beta out" and become unattractive? I stated the answer above.

Men want certainty of parentage, and that means "purity" of the women involved. Men who want sex love sluts, men who want families hate them. If you reproduce with a man that isn't me, I'm not happy about it, and if he leaves your ass and doesn't support you, well you chose wrong. Most men are willing to put up with single moms, but only under certain conditions. I believe this has to do with a beta male sexual strategy that was so successful that is off the table in many cultures because it lead to tribal/societal gridlock.

hammerhaunts · 2018-04-18T02:34:56+00:00

Actually, hypergamy naturally pushes women towards the kind of men who are baby daddies. The hypergamy seen in patriarchal societies aimed at material stability comes from fathers, not daughters

DareyFathom · 2018-04-18T03:09:41+00:00

Take out "marrying" and you have the hypergamy that exists in western society. Women have premarital sex with men that exhibit Alpha traits whilst passing over less Alpha men that would be better long term partners. Those same Alpha men that she craves sexually, will also be the men less inclined to support her financially when she is pregnant.

PhucCheet · 2018-04-18T08:48:50+00:00

but when it comes to single motherhood it’s suddenly our fault for not branch swinging to a better mate

No. They don't hate single mothers because you haven't remarried yet. They're against having the children out of wedlock in the first place. They'd prefer the child didn't exist, not that you replaced the father faster.

They prefer women to use birth control and be more selective of a partner before having a child, instead of getting knocked up by Chad (viewed as irresponsible behavior).

Women who have kids out of wedlock are clearly working against their own interests in the name of “love”

More often it's out of lust or naive trust that the hot badboy will stick around and be a devoted father. Lust inspires stupid decisions.

TheGreasyPole · 2018-04-18T09:46:16+00:00

Well TBH I don’t really understand the animosity of other RPM in either direction.

Hypergamy in particular is a biological fact in women. They are no more morally evil for this being the basis of their attraction than males are for “liking a youthful and pretty face”. Humans are humans and they’re born with the drives they’re born with. A wome pursuing Hypergamy is doing nothing better nor worse than men pursuing pretty/youthful women.

In the flip side I can understand the strong instinctive aversion men feel to committing to or being with a single mother. There are great evolutionary reasons why they shouldn’t want to help raise and provision another guys kid. Again, I don’t understand why this becomes a moral stance except that people tend to assign moral values to instinctive feelings (“If I feel an aversion, then it must be morally bad, right?”).

To my mind any RPM going into this moral universe on anything to do with sexuality is “RP-ing wrung”. Moral judgements aren’t really a subject RP should have anything to do with. Both internally (with RPM) and externally, with others choices/instincts.

If it was up to my preference RP wouldn’t take any moral stance on anything. That’s up to individuals and their moral codes, and not anything RP specifies, guides on or has positions on.

blackedoutfast · 2018-04-18T04:51:37+00:00

hate single mothers because 99% of the time responsible tax payers end up footing the bill for some dumb chick's bad decisions.

personally, i don't really have a problem with hypergamy if the chick just jumps over to some higher quality guy. no big deal, there's plenty of other girls out there. and props to the other guy for beating me at the game. idk i might care more if i was a loser or some dumbass beta getting cucked

DaphneDK42 · 2018-04-18T06:32:07+00:00

I don't see the contradiction. Hypergamy leads to single motherhood, when the men she selects for are bad-father material (the bad-boy drug dealer). And especially when it is combined with branch swinging. And also unrealistic hypergamy, where she waits so long for non-existing Chad that she decides to have children by herself.

quicklogaccount · 2018-04-18T12:28:27+00:00

Let's play a game of reasoning, shall we? I'll bother to correct you on your (long list of) misunderstandings about TRP, your elected enemies, as they come into play, and with the corrected axioms you'll look into deriving RP's answer yourself.

TRP does not hate hypergamy more than it hates kittens because they murder butterflies. It's reality, and it's a waste of energy to feel for it if you know it can not be changed;
Double guess your understanding of women, since any understanding in which children out of the wedlock are "clearly working against their own interests in the name of 'love'" is obsolete for at least 50 years in the western, and such shallowness is probably obsolete for a hundred.

Hypergamy is absolutely necessary to the health of a patriarchal society because if women are not, men will just devolve to the lowest form of existence possible.

This can be rendered wrong both in the plane of ideas alone, through logic and reasoning, or with examples so old it's strongly likely that they surface from the same trait of our nature, that they bloom from the same seeds. What am I talking about?
Keep in mind that although not reactionary in itself, preference for the days of yore permeate RP.

LewisCross · 2018-04-18T13:05:38+00:00

hy·per·ga·my hīˈpərɡəmē/Submit noun the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.

No. That's not the definition TRP uses. If you want to use this definition, ask practitioners of the caste system in India what it means and how that works.

Since you're asking TRPers, use the following definition instead:

Hypergamy: TRP Term of Art/Jargon. A woman's ever-present desire and need for the best man she can get at any given time, for the purposes she determines she wants/needs at that given time.

e.g. Hypergamy age 16-28: Hot guy with big cock and can fuck all night to show off to her grrrrlfraaaands.

Hypergamy age 28 (epiphany) to age 40-45: Nice guy with big bank account and can work all day to pay for everything to show off to her friends frenemies.

Hypergamy age 45+: Hot silver fox with vacations in Europe and the Caribbean, with Viagra prescription and has the charter jet service on speed dial.

Triadis3 · 2018-04-20T17:41:24+00:00

We don't "Hate" either demographic/group/trait.

Really incendiary way of phrasing the question, and proves you have prejudice againt the superficial redpill "truths" you've picked up by skimming the content.

Single moms have made a mistake. Either by marrying/getting pregnant with/ fucking the wrong guy, or by divorcing. So they get a red flag. Bad decision making. On the front end or the rear end doesn't matter, they've substantially altered the course of three lives.

Add to that the fact that the child SHOULD come first, and you're getting a raw deal.

Add onto that the fact that women are primarily looking for resource providers after they become mommy,and triple threat.

Not hating, just pro/conning the situation. No room for hate. She made life choices.

Hypergamy? Everyone is looking for the best deal. Some are further to the right on the spectrum, some are willing to settle for a lesser man. AWALT is a bell curve... all women are encompassed by the "female behaviour" graph of hypergamy. Human nature. Can't hate a fish for swimming. Angry a fish swims so fast? Pick a slower fish.

It all comes down to vetting by both genders. Raging against the machine is futile and infantile. Redpill just tries to make you aware of the machine.

newName543456 · 2018-04-18T06:36:52+00:00

Actual TRPs don't hate things they have no impact on as it's rather counterproductive to do so.

LewisCross · 2018-04-18T12:25:14+00:00

Next time you want to debate "hypergamy", use the term as it is used in this particular context.

Women who have kids out of wedlock are clearly working against their own interests in the name of “love”,

HAHAHAHAHAHA

More like

Gibsmedat gubmint monaaayyyyy!! I $ee dollar $ign$!!!

The average ghetto mommy is having kid$ because $he $ee$ everyone el$e doing it and it'$ her ticket to her own $ection 8 apartment.

whereas a hypergamous woman would be savvy enough to secure a mate who can at least financially provide for their child.

Only for women with FTO. And only at certain times.

Hypergamy at age 19-28: Hot guy with 9 inch personality and the nice car.

Hypergamy at age 28-40: Nice guy with bank account and nice house.

Hypergamy at age 40+: Hot silver fox with bank account, vacations in Europe and the Caribbean, and Viagra prescription, after dumping the Nice Guy who paid for you and your kids (that might or might not be his).

BirdManBrrrr · 2018-04-18T12:52:14+00:00

Women who have kids out of wedlock are clearly working against their own interests in the name of “love”

That's quite the leap of logic.

Hypergamy is absolutely necessary to the health of a patriarchal society because if women are not, men will just devolve to the lowest form of existence possible.

We get it, you hate men.

daveofmars · 2018-04-19T00:44:40+00:00

The problem isn't hypergamy, it's that single mothers grossly over estimate their SMV. They think they're an 8 but the kid makes her a 3.

And it isn't "hate" we feel - that's just projection. The actual emotion is disgust.

Whisper · 2018-04-21T18:28:34+00:00

when it comes to single motherhood it’s suddenly our fault

Are you a single mother, then?

Bluetinfoilhat · 2018-05-23T05:33:20+00:00

Your post reminds me of the black community. Black women are called gold diggers for wanting the most basic things,(even saying you want a guy with a full time job will get you the label of being an evil black bitch) yet if we get with a poor guy and he ups and leaves and become single mothers we are blamed for not "choosing better."

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Title	How can TERPS simultaneously hate single mothers AND hate hypergamy?
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Date	April 18, 2018 2:29 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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