Why is that women are supported when they want casual sex but men are shamed ?

pinkgoldrose · 2018-01-03T13:19:45+00:00

Because it's generally accepted that all men like casual sex so if a woman wants to have casual sex everyone will assume there's no harm in it, she'll find men happy to engage in that, and everyone will be content.

On the other hand, it's generally accepted that most women want a boyfriend and don't want to be "used" for casual sex, so there's a certain amount of trickery used by men to "trick" women into having casual sex with them. Like they might in fact target women who are hoping for a relationship and lead them to believe there are feelings involved, when really he's just thinking short-term gratification.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-01-03T14:50:28+00:00

Because in both cases it's WOMEN whos responses you're reading. WOMEN, as mens PREY, are going to give you advice from female solipsism that serves the FEMALE imperative, not the male

Women aren't going to lovingly teach men how to pump and dump them and lovingly approve of it . why are you expecting them to.

Stop listening to women. Stop caring what women say or think unless you're balls deep in them. You don't need collective female approval. If a women isn't fucking you don't give her a second thought.

Isn't this RP101?

Get over it. If you can't take social disapproval you don't have the balls to play the game

PBRScagsquad · 2018-01-03T13:40:07+00:00

Women rarely want casual sex so it's assumed that if she does it will just be a bit of fun, male sexual nature is viewed as predatory so a man asking for advice on how to obtain casual sex is seen as attempting to learn how to take advantage of women, or in other words pump and dump women.

Also some men do engage in predatory behaviour to obtain sex that does hurt women so people tend to be wary for that reason also. This is seen as harmful to women so naturally because they believe you are essentially attempting to learn how to harm women, you must be shamed, especially now because it is commonly believed that we can use shaming to condition people to conform to what the collective wants as they believe we are all tabula rasa.

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-01-03T13:06:46+00:00

When has any woman ever asked to get help having casual sex? I have never seen this. Can you show a link?

[deleted] · 2018-01-03T14:32:45+00:00

Because both men and women presume that all men are all predatory all the time. So if a man wants casual sex, he's probably a rapist.

Because most men aren't attractive enough to get casual sex whenever they want it. So a relatively unattractive man who wants casual sex horrifies women, because they think he will approach all of them for casual sex. (If he were a physically attractive man, no one would say anything about him wanting casual sex - in fact, most of them would line up for their turn.)

storffish · 2018-01-03T14:46:00+00:00

because men want to fuck women. if a chick came to you all upset not understanding how to get a guy to fuck her what would you do? your damnedest to slide on in, that's what. you'd "support" her because you'd see an opening to get something you want, it's purely selfish. now, if years down the line you find out that the girl you want to marry had sought out no strings attached wild casual sex like that you'd be singing a different tune. then it'd be shameful and "how could you? I didn't realize you were such a slut, I thought you had standards."

guys aren't going to give your hypothetical socially retarded chick advice on how to fuck another guy. they're going to try to be the guy she fucks, to teach her. and then they'll subtract 50 lbs from her weight when they brag to their buddies about how they smashed some stupid slut. other women might "support" her and give her "advice" but they'll talk shit about her as soon as she turns her back. the worst slut shaming comes from other women.

nobody gets away having lots of casual sex without getting shamed by someone, you either tune it out or change your ways.

goatismycopilot · 2018-01-03T15:05:33+00:00

You are confusing "don't care" with shamed. I also don't care if a fat unattractive girl wants to spruce herself up to snag casual sex, just like I don't care if she gets her feelz hurt when all she gets is casual sex, my answer is what did you expect? Men will have sex with pretty much anybody if they are trashed or if their friends don't know what they are doing, so I do agree that the fat unattractive girl is going to have an easier time of it. I feel neutral about it.

Ordinate1 · 2018-01-03T15:14:31+00:00

It's the fundamental assumption that men are active agents and women are objects, and that this state of affairs is inherently wrong.

So, men actively seeking casual sex? They are taking advantage of women, who are objects and thus have no say in the matter!

Women actively seeking casual sex? They are breaking out of the Patriarchal mold, which is great!

It's ideological, not rational.

[deleted] · 2018-01-03T12:57:33+00:00

she'll find advice like lose weight

?

I see the opposite. Bullshit like, "you deserve the best. Fuck those hateful pigs" given to obese women. Zero accountability whatsoever.

For men, even when we are looksmaxed they be like, "muh entitled pig not trying to put in work" which doesn't makes sense since if someone wants something so badly, they would do everything in their power to improve their chances naturally so its counterproductive to assume that male FAs/Incels don't do anything.

And when this man has looksmaxed and has a perfect body and has presumably reasonable standards like, "I don't care so much about her face as long as she also put in the same amount of effort at the gym," we get shamed.

goatismycopilot · 2018-01-03T16:18:19+00:00

We seem to have had more than one thread in which one form or another it comes down to an OP pouting about women not liking stuff.

GridReXX · 2018-01-03T14:21:50+00:00

I don’t know if they’re “supported.”

It’s assumed she won’t have to trick some unwilling participant into sex.

It’s assumed a man may have to apply some level of trickery which I suppose leads down a delusory path in people’s minds and a slippery slope to unwanted sexual advances, assault, even rape.

Also in general, even on TRP, the tone seems to be that penises are WMDs and “ruin women” even if it was consensual.

For reasons the male sex drive is deemed as more predatory and invasive (probably because it’s penetrative) by men and women.

TrueRustyShackleford · 2018-01-03T13:13:43+00:00

Probably because the online places you looked at and where these women gravitate towards are biased and radicalized. IRL these women won't say out loud they're looking for casual sex when they want advice, and if they do they'll actually get negative reactions from a lot of other women. Men looking to get laid often do get constructive advice from other men IRL, but get shamed by women.

So it's mostly that these online places are not representative of RL.

Menurotica · 2018-01-03T13:58:19+00:00

Are they really supported though? From what I've seen women get the white lies and it is the men who get the unvarnished honesty when it comes to casual sex.

Blue_Violet23 · 2018-01-03T19:33:07+00:00

For one, because a man doesn't really risk being assaulted/raped by a fat unattractive woman he rejects.

rainbowbarfff · 2018-01-03T20:10:49+00:00

Men aren't shamed for wanting or desiring casual sex. It is practically acknowledged that this is their default setting.

Men are shamed for doing things like not being clear about what they want out of dating because they think 90% of women will bounce once they hear they're not interested in anything serious which in turn feels like trickery, or like you removed the option of choice from a woman. And maybe most women WILL bounce once they hear a guy doesn't want anything serious - that doesn't give men the right to go around intentionally tricking them into thinking otherwise just to have a chance to sleep with them.

I am a woman who is down for casual sex, but I've dumped guys who after the whole wine and dine, pillow talk and false promises show was over, came to finally admit that all they were interested in was casual sex. Not for their intentions, but for their inability to be transparent about it or their attempts to trick me into something. There are ways to do this without making a person feel tricked or used, and plenty of guys out there secure lots of sexual partners without resorting to this.

wekacuck · 2018-01-03T13:54:28+00:00

So why do unattractive and socially slow men get shamed when they try to improve themselves to get casual sex

Do you think they would be shamed if they asked on r\AskMen?

[deleted] · 2018-01-03T14:24:39+00:00

Why do you care so much what other people think? Just go sluttin' and fuck the haters. God damn dude.

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caesarfecit · 2018-01-03T14:15:34+00:00

Demonize male sexuality.
Control male sexuality.
??????
Profit.

That's why.

Ultramegasaurus · 2018-01-03T16:03:13+00:00

Goddamn OP what planet are you living on? It's widely socially acceptable for men to pursue casual sex. No one is calling men used up cuntwhores for sleeping around, they're calling you players and alphas. There is a shit ton of advice out there by men for men on how to get casual sex. You ever heard of TRP?

wtknight · 2018-01-03T14:21:43+00:00

Men are viewed as more predatory than women and it is naturally assumed that they will be using casual sex to mislead women for their own benefit but that women will not be using it to mislead men. Personally, I don’t think anybody needs to be encouraged about how to find casual sex and what should be encouraged is how to find and establish meaningful relationships, so I would personally never give advice to a man or a woman about how to find casual sex.

BiggerDthanYou · 2018-01-03T13:37:29+00:00

How do you even know that this is true? How can we be sure that this is a fact and not just yet another weird incel delusion?

Are you sure that this is real and not just how you feel?

Have you tried asking those questions on several different platforms online or are you just basing this off on that PPD thread yesterday? You know, I'm not an incel so I don't feel personally attacked by everything and also don't feel shamed when women ask why they should care about helping some random guy getting all the casual sex that he wants so I just don't see all this apparent shaming happening.

Title	Why is that women are supported when they want casual sex but men are shamed ?
Author	RageQuitNoRespawn
Upvotes	35
Comments	209
Date	January 3, 2018 12:51 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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