tldr at the bottom

Note: I mean PUA (/r/seduction, dating section of forums like sosuave, rooshv) as a separate entity from TRP/MGTOW/etc. The difference is that PUA encompasses all the dating advice (i.e. concerned with what works and what doesn't) and excludes the complaining and politics.

Also note that I'm only considering the practical advice for FDS (e.g. what's in the wiki). The front page of FDS right now is filled with anti-male meme/complaining subreddit and lacks actual dating advice content. It's at /r/mgtow level right now.

My understanding of FDS advice is everything falls into 2 categories:

  1. Screening and filtering men

  2. Manipulating long term partners

There is little self improvement advice or tips on how to attract men.

PUA concentrates on:

  1. Making a man more attractive (e.g. advice is to lift, increase social value and status, etc.)

  2. Entertaining and making women horny, connecting with them on an emotional level and being a generally social and fun guy to be around (outer, comfort and physical game)

  3. For devils advocate, there are a few manipulation tactics like freeze outs on LMR, make her jealous by talking to her friend and seeding the pull although the manipulation tactics are definitely not core advice. They're very situational. I don't consider things like negs and emotional spikes to be manipulation because they're designed to entertain women (this may be a point of contention).

PUA heavily advocates self improvement and making women actually attracted to men. Mystery Method M3 model has entire stages based on comfort and emotionally connecting with women. Note that I'm not saying that PUAs are morally superior people. Attracting women just necessitates self improvement and entertaining/connecting with women. PUA advice wouldn't be useful if it didn't include the wholesome parts.

When comparing the few PUA manipulation tactics with FDS tactics, FDS tactics are worse. PUA advocates for some manipulation for short term dating (e.g. one night stands) while FDS advocates for manipulation for long term dating. There is little established advice for long term dating/relationships for PUA in general (other than, don't get in a relationship) and almost nothing that advocates for manipulation in a relationship.

Morals are different for short term vs. long term relationships. In long term relationships, partners are actually owed respect whereas anything goes for short term relationships. I'm disturbed that FDS advocates for manipulation in long term relationships. Manipulation violates the core tenets of long term relationships.

It's not a healthy strategy. The man would subconsciously feel/know he's being manipulated. His resentment will come out in different ways. The woman who manipulates her long term partner will have reduced respect for her partner. It would lower his status in her eyes. She will lose attraction for him. Being in a relationship with someone she's not attracted to is bad/suboptimal for her. If she's consciously manipulating her partner, she's also destroying her ability to pair bond. Her subconscious would be telling her that she's not actually in a loving relationship with someone (because what lovers try to manipulate each other like that) unless she's a psychopath.

tldr:

  • FDS is about screening men and manipulating long term partners
  • PUA is concerned about self improvement and actually attracting, entertaining and connecting (albeit superficially) with women. FDS is not concerned about either.
  • PUA advocates for manipulation for short term dating, FDS advocates for manipulation for long term dating. Manipulation for long term dating is worse
  • Manipulation in a relationship is bad for everyone