A video released a few weeks ago of various women claiming that men are not allowed to turn them down for sex. What do you think has made them think this way?

vicistvic · 2020-03-29T12:24:21+00:00

Women falsely believe that sexual expression is liberating, strengthening and empowering because realistically, it was sexual expression that likely caused their subjugation.

87AudreyHorne · 2020-03-29T15:21:03+00:00

PC answer is they're obviously trashy

But their phrasings aside, if you're used to most men wanting sex with you, in fact so much they'd do crazy stuff for it, and if all you keep hearing is how much men want sex, then you'll think something is wrong with you if he rejects you. And to appease your ego, you might also turn it to there being something wrong with him, because it feels insulting. That mentality would be common in macho environments I'm assuming these girls are in based on their phrasing. Like if "their men" go on about sex all the time then that's what these girls think they're dealing with.

Innovative_being · 2020-03-29T12:14:38+00:00

In a few years we will see a new phenomenon known as “neglect rape”

Mark my words.

DeuxPistolets · 2020-03-29T13:03:17+00:00

There are a few reasons why I wouldn’t take take this video as being representative of women in general.

First, keep in mind that this a YouTube video that has been edited to show clips of conversations. We have no idea what percentage of the women he asked expressed the viewpoint that men can’t turn them down for sex. Plus, interviewing such women wouldn’t make for an interesting video.

Second, these women (with the exception of one of the women) all come from a particular demographic. They’re all black young adult females. They’re also women that were willing to go out for spring break in Miami (which says something in and of itself). Several of the women in this video sounded like straight up hood rats. Again, these are women that are far from representative of the female population as a whole in the US. If he asked African American women in their 40’s-50’s the same question, he’d likely get very different answers (or smacked).

GennyX · 2020-03-29T12:03:49+00:00

It’s not an acceptable behaviour or belief to have. I have never heard of women like that before.

Definitely avoid.

Killer_Queen_Daisan · 2020-03-29T13:52:38+00:00

It’s really simple. They can’t imagine that they aren’t attractive.

Meydra · 2020-03-29T14:11:04+00:00

I wouldn't see that sort of video as proof. Tiny sampling size of people in the same socio-economic class. Just no.

BUT we do actually have the stereotype that men are supposed to to be ready whenever and are not supposed to say no.

LeJacquelope · 2020-03-29T15:09:17+00:00

Women of PPD will say "but muh Patriarchy!"

Never expect women to say women can do terrible things. Why even post this thread when you know you're just going to get a flood of deflections and excuses?

superlurkage · 2020-03-29T16:02:13+00:00

Do you really think these women represent Jane Average who lives across the street from you? If they are, you got 99 problems and worrying about these chicks shouldn’t be one of them

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2020-03-29T12:15:11+00:00

That sounds like a whole heap of crazy TBH

GreenSatyr · 2020-03-29T19:01:35+00:00

What has made them think this way is the idea that 1) men always want sex anyway 2) that men can't really get raped by women in real life so it's okay to be flippant about it on camera the way they were.

It historically was considered a duty to have sex e.g. https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2016/05/18/the-hard-on-on-trial/

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-03-30T04:34:32+00:00

Why do you think that these women feel / think this way?

Because of the trashy culture they live in.

canofapples6 · 2020-03-29T12:01:56+00:00

Is it just me or is the idea that men are DTF all of the time and never turn down sex with someone they find attractive, largely perpetuated by men? I've seen women perpetuate it too but it seems to be started by men.

samwise-gamggee · 2020-03-29T15:54:33+00:00

This is crazy. Allot of ignorance in this world.

Lonelybuthopeful9 · 2020-03-29T19:12:54+00:00

Most of the men doesnt even have casual sex with below average to average girls let alone with a beatiful girls despite having a high sex drive

Single guys are dtf 99% of the time and if you are denying this you are living in a bubble

2020-03-29T21:17:29+00:00

I don't know what made them this way, but they're wrong. No one should be having sex they don't want to have.

Bntt89 · 2020-03-30T01:11:49+00:00

This is to low of a representation to say these are women at larges belief. But tbh I feel women think men always want to fuck. So they think something is wrong with him or her.

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MuleFool42 · 2020-03-30T14:45:53+00:00

Because it's a double standard and nobody ever wants to give up a double standard that they benefit from no matter how hypocritical or illogical it is.

Simp_Gulag · 2020-04-01T08:58:09+00:00

Around blacks don’t relax

DangZagnut · 2020-03-29T12:11:10+00:00

Many women have never been told in their lives.

Probably why so many are child touchers. Women kept on a pedestal become entitled and insane.

Now wonder why they act like shit for the first quarter century.

Then the youthful princess pussy pass starts running out. There’s nothing more hilarious then women bawling in a courtroom when they catch their first DUI, which is one of those rare crimes they can’t pussy pass out of. Nothing they do has any effect.

[deleted] · 2020-03-29T12:26:50+00:00

Who the heck cares? This video will become relevant when women start raping men just as much as men rape women.

And no, 25 years old female teachers having consensual sex with 17 years old male students is not real rape.

sadomasochrist · 2020-03-29T19:15:15+00:00

Who cares? Men and women aren't the same, you trying to make this a "logic" gotchya or something?

Either she's ~~ugly~~ not attractive enough or he's a beta.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2020-03-29T12:24:45+00:00

Haha, I mean handle your business. Handle it, or somebody else will get to eventually. We don't get to say no, if it's our gf, it is what it is. Deal with it. Get her off, and you can go to sleep. If she'll do that for you, fair is fair.

Study	Type	Child sexual abuse vs non-abused	Males vs females
Coohey (2010) (US)	National US probability sample of children aged 11-14 who were investigated by protective services for child maltreatment with child sexual abuse as most serious or only type of maltreatment (n = 127 girls and 31 boys).	N/A	Twice as many boys (52%) as girls (24%) were in the clinical range on internalising behaviour problems. The effect for gender was not altered when the following factors were controlled: abuse characteristics, multiple victimisation, efficacy, relatedness, and autonomy.
Colman & Spatz Widom (2004) (US)	Comparison of 676 abused and neglected adults abused as children (substantiated cases 1967-71) with matched controls on gender, age, race, and approx family SES - prospective study interviewed 1989-95 with standardised rating scales.	Male and female abuse and neglect victims reported higher rates of cohabitation, walking out, and divorce than controls.	Females less likely to have positive perceptions of current romantic partners and to be sexually faithful.
Dorahy & Clearwater (2010) (NZ)	Study of seven adult males sexually abused as children attending a service for male sexual abuse. Measures completed for shame, guilt dissociation and childhood trauma. Focus group also conducted with participants.	N/A	Male victims in this study showed considerably higher levels of trait shame and guilt scores compared with college samples.
Dube et al. (2005) (US)	Retrospective large-scale cohort study of 17,337 adults.	After controlling for exposure to other forms of adverse childhood experiences that co-occur with child sexual abuse, history of suicide attempt was more than twice as likely among both men and women who experienced child sexual abuse, and a 40% increased risk of marrying an alcoholic, and 40% to 50% increased risk of reporting current marital problems.	Contact child sexual abuse was reported by 16% of males and 25% of females. Men reported female perpetration of child sexual abuse nearly 40% of the time, and women reported female perpetration of child sexual abuse 6% of the time. Increased risk of adverse outcomes similar for men and women.
Garnefski & Diekstra (1997) (Netherlands)	Large representative community sample of adolescents: see below.	Strong association between being sexually abused and the existence of a multiple problem pattern in both sexes.	Impact for boys worse and more complex than for girls.
Garnefski & Arends (1998) (Netherlands)	Large representative community sample of adolescents: 745 secondary school students, aged 12-19 with a self-reported history of sexual abuse (151 boys and 594 girls) and 745 matched students without such a history.	More emotional problems, behavioural problems, suicidal thoughts and suicide attempts for both male and female.	More severe for boys than for girls: use of alcohol/drugs, aggressive/criminal behaviour, truancy, suicidal thoughts and behaviour, (e.g., 3% cf. 27% for non-abused cf. abused boys [13 times higher]).
Gold et al. (1999) (US)	162 women and 25 men entering an outpatient treatment program for adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse in a university-based community mental health centre.	N/A	Significantly more interpersonal sensitivity, depression, anxiety, and phobic anxiety for men than women.
Molnar, Berkman et al. (2001) (US)	Nationally representative sample of 5,877 Americans aged 15 to 54 years.	Among those sexually abused as children, odds of suicide attempts were 2-4 times higher among women and 4-11 times higher among men, compared with those not abused, after controlling for other adversities.	Prevalence for child rape or molestation for women of 14% and 3% for men. Reported suicide attempts slightly greater for men (31%) compared to women (27%).
Schraufnagel et al. (2010) (US)	N = 280 heterosexual men aged 21-35 recruited from the Greater Seattle area via newspaper ads and flyers circulated at community colleges, universities and other social environments.	N/A	Increased severity of child sexual abuse was associated with early age of drinking initiation. Child sexual abuse severity also directly associated with the number of partners participants reported.
Steever, et al. (2001) (US)	60 participants recruited from university undergrads aged 18-56. 20 were recruited for each group of: (i) men who reported no history of child sexual abuse; (ii) men who did not identify self as survivor of child sexual abuse but reported history of childhood or adolescent sexual experiences that were coercive/forced in nature; (iii) men who report a history of child sexual abuse.	N/A	Men who self-identified as child sexual abuse survivors reported significantly higher levels of psychological distress. No significant differences were found across the three groups in the following behavioural correlates: alcohol abuse, anger and aggression, compulsive sexuality, relationship stability.
van Roode et al. (2009)(NZ)	Large prospective birth cohort longitudinal study (Dunedin) 1972-73: Contact child sexual abuse reported by 30% of 465 women and 9% of 471 men.	Women: increased rates in number of sexual partners, unhappy pregnancies, abortion, and sexually transmitted infections from age 18 to 21 but then reduced, Men: greater number of partners from age 26-32 and more STD (herpes) age 21-32.	Gender and age are critical when considering the effect of child sexual abuse. While the profound early impact of child sexual abuse demonstrated for women appears to lessen with age, abused men appear to carry increased risks into adulthood

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