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Talking With Women - Always DARE, Never DEER

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by LiveAFTSOV on /r/TheRedPill
26 May 2018 08:28 AM UTC
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Defend, Explain, Excuse, Rationalize...

The Four Horsemen of the argument apocalypse.



The surest sign of doom's arrival is the scornful tongue lashing from a toothed vagina. Once a woman in your presence argues with you, or tests you - the horsemen are coming to your doorstep.

When you feel the tremoring gallop of these riders approaching, you'd best close the white gates of your mouth, and seal them with your lips.

If they've already arrived, the conversation, as you know it, is over.

The mighty tides of white colored pussy cream, dried in an instant - rendered into friction filled dunes of dry-crusted sand.

The tingles, are gone.

From there, the arousing conflict transforms into a contest of how much power you will surrender to your adversary, the fair-faced, bearded clam.

The sin of entering arguments, or DEERing with women, will happen in 4 ways - each unique in both appearance and punishment.

Learn them well, and avoid them.



Defend - The first Horseman

Being defensive is NOT to be confused with defending oneself from a real threat, like a physical attack, an attack to your character by ad hominem, or an attack against your ideas or beliefs. Defensiveness is a psychological response to perceived or imagined threat or attack to one’s sense of self.

  • What "Defend" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"I bet you say that to all the girls." --- "What, are you calling me a man-whore or something? I don't do that!"

"How could you not know where the spoons are?" --- "I looked fucking everywhere for them!"

"Dude, are you mad? Your face is all red and you're foaming at the mouth." --- "I am NOT angry! Why would you assume that! Maybe YOU'RE angry!"

"You really suck at having sex, babe." --- "What? But every other girl I've been with said I'm amazing! You're the one who sucks."

"You went and bought WHAT without talking to me about it?!" --- "But baby, I know I made the right call, look at all the benefits of this decision, don't you agree? Tell me why you disagree!"

"Only an idiot reads the red pill." --- "What? How DARE you question the red pill?! You're just a bloopie faggot!"

"I wish you would start doing the dishes." --- "I wish you would stop being so goddamn annoying!!"

"You suck." ---- "Why would you even say that about me? I'm fucking awesome! What did I do to you?"

Arms folded across your chest.

Eyes darting around. Rubbing the back of your neck or head in nervousness.

Strained facial muscles. A feigned smile.

Shifting back and forth in position.

  • Why People "Defend"

People become defensive because they aren't confident in their own decisions, and they don't believe in who they are. They feel guilty, ashamed, and timid about their choices. They question their sense of self. A defensive man is not an immovable mountain. Instead, they are an ungrounded castle, built upon pillars of sand, waiting to wither away and topple.

When you feel the urge to be defensive, you may believe what the other person (the female) says about you, and you must defend the validity of your inner sanctum from this attack. You question your internal beliefs, start to believe what the outsider is saying about you, and then you defend yourself to convince yourself of your own truth and beliefs. You feel that you are being personally attacked, and you are protecting your sense of self. Terrible, ain't it?

Even worse, some people experience the urge to be defensive when an attack isn't even intended! This is the result of upbringing, and unconfidence - perhaps policing parents who harassed their child, leading to a grown man becoming defensive and confrontational when a woman asks "Hey honey, where were ya last night?" Maybe you were actually out there doing some shady shit, and your guilt about doing what you were accused of leads you to becoming defensive.

We want people to see us the way we see ourselves - or at least not see us negatively - and we spend immense time and energy debating and defending ourselves and our decisions to others, because we want them to approve of us, and to see us in the same light we grant ourselves. We try to convince them that their perceptions of us are flawed - or incorrect.

If you are unclear about who you are, you start to believe what other people tell you, and feel the need to defend yourself by resisting your accusers arguments and attempting to prove yourself - A fencer, ferociously swatting every potential stab away from themselves, when in reality they are an enigma that can be penetrated by sword without suffering so much as a puncture wound. Being defensive is unnecessary, and a foreign notion to a grounded and confident man.

  • How "Defend" Punishes

Defensiveness validates accusations. It turns your vagina play toy into a threat - making a woman into an enemy by defending yourself from them. As the woman realizes they have gained the power to "get to you," and evoke feelings of defensiveness in their man, the Alpha-To-Beta shift begins in the sexual relationship.

By letting the sin of "Defend" pillage your conversation, you create an air of tension and social awkwardness. The girl will give you strange looks, and doubt your capabilities of authority and leadership as the captain of y'alls relationSHIP. This sin will arouse suspicion, and contempt in even the strongest of partner pairings.

Frequent defensiveness leads to women simultaneously shit-testing you more often, and distancing herself from you as she starts to lose attraction.


Explain - The Second Horseman

If it's simple things that make people curious, or just conversational "stuff" in general, it's okay. Never explain the choices you've made, or the way you act and behave.

  • What "Explain" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"So, what are you looking for here on tinder?" --- "I'm really trying to find the one, I've been looking around for a couple years and kinda had a dry spell. What about you? Oh she unmatched."

"Why did you ask me out?" --- "Well because you're reeeeally pretty and you're my oneitis so I figured, hewk, might as well give it a shot! Hey wait where are you going?"

"Why don't you go make a move on her bro, c'mon?" --- "What? Why should I? You know I'm shy bro, I haven't asked out a chick in like, 5 years, I'll look like an idiot!"

"Why haven't you taken out the trash?" --- "Because babe, it's hot outside, and I've been looking for my sandals, I'm going to get around to it."

"Where did you put the car keys?" --- "Well babe, I was in the shower, and then I went downstairs, and then I pet the dog, and now I can't find them!"

"Why did you leave the TV on again? --- "Well, honey, I was downstairs, then I went to grab a beer, then I saw you laying on the bed and we got busy, then next thing I knew we fell asleep. I hope you understand why I left the TV on now."

I did this, this, and that, what do you think?

I did this this and that, did I do a good job?

Puppy dog eyes, eager for direction and approval.

Numale soy grin.

  • Why People "Explain"

Humans have a need to be understood. Many men have made the mistake of continuously giving a woman one more bit of info, so they'd just "get it."

This is because when it's a man to man conversation, explaining normally works - one friend explaining to another why they did what they did, that friend nodding and saying "Ahh," then moving on to talking about something else.

Then we go and try to explain ourselves to women - forgetting that they don't communicate through reasoning, and we don't explain ourselves to our subordinates. You put her into a position to judge you - like your mother would.
That's right, you explain yourself to your girl because you want to get your surrogate-mother's approval.

Finally, people think aloud in a concealed attempt to convince themselves that their decision was the correct one - hoping that by explaining themselves to someone else, they can get reinforcement of their choices through another's approval. She isn't your mother, nor on a pedestal, so stop looking up to her. Make a statement and shut the hell up.

You don't have to justify a reason for every action you take. Let others make their assumptions. Your actions will speak for themselves.

  • How "Explain" Punishes

Would you explain yourself to your 3 year old cousin, or daughter, or random snot-nosed kid on the street?

By committing the sin of explaining yourself to a woman, you instantly throw her into the role of authority. You give her the sub-communicative position of approving or disapproving your decision, and squander your credibility.

Even after hearing your well-thought out reasoning, women will still find a way to blame or chastise you. "Well you shouldn't have lost your sandals in the first place!" Explaining only welcomes drama into your life. Women will stand and stare, waiting for you to finish your explanation, then nod in approval or give you a verbal spanking like your mother would. Then they expect you to forever maintain this "bridge of open communication," with her, which really means they grow accustomed to you giving them status updates on your life, giving you shit if you ever stop seeking counsel with her, while they grow a side life of their own, in eager search of a new mystery.

The more you explain yourself to women, the more they will intentionally misconstrue your words and confuse themselves, because they want to keep the conversation going and eventually, as they grow bored, cause drama for your weak-ass. You're going to be hearing a lot of "so, basically what you're saying is..." until it leads up to yelling and arguing.


Excuse - The Third horseman

You know what you did, but you reject responsibility.

  • What "Excuse" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"Why were you late to our date today!" --- "Babe, I was stuck in traffic, it wasn't my fault!"

"Why don't you go flirt with that girl?" --- "Psh, she's not my type, plus she's probably a slut anyways. And besides, I'd have to walk all the way over there. It's not worth it."

"Okay, well why don't you go ask that girl out?" --- "What? C'mon man, I'm not Red Pilled enough yet. Once I can squat 225, and I know all the iron laws by memory, then I'll ask her out. I'm just not ready yet!"

"What! That girl is so your type!" --- "Yeah well I don't feel like going over there man, my legs are numb! I had leg day today!"

"Why didn't you try to close that sale?" --- "Dude, you KNOW that guy wasn't going to close - I couldn't have changed it, guys like him never wanna buy."

"Weren't you supposed to pick up the kids an hour ago?" --- "I didn't do it on purpose, I just so much other stuff to do!"

"Why did you jump off the cliff?" --- "Everyone else was doing it!!"

"Why did you cheat on me?" --- "She made me do it!"

"Why didn't you go to the gym today honey?" --- "Ahhh babe you know how tired I get from work... then I gotta come home, take a shower, change my clothes, I'll go tomorrow - twice as hard."

"Didn't you tell me you were a rich club owner with a fancy condo suite, wheres your nice car?" --- "No no no babe, I said club PROMOTER... trust me the money is coming... I just uh... gotta cash in on a few investments first."

"Why did you get fired from work?!" --- "Jesus, I knew I shouldn't have worked with that BASTARD! This is all his fault! He's the cause of all this!"

Frightened face.

Look of anguish, worry, possible sweating.

Sleight of hand misdirection equivalent to a top tier magician - anything to keep attention off oneself.

Avoidant eye contact, shrugging shoulders, high pitched voice.

Looking like a bitch for using a bitch's communication tactic.

  • Why People "Excuse"

We make excuses when we want someone or something else to be responsible, rather than claiming that responsibility for ourselves. Often, it is to avoid uncomfortable feelings of overwhelming pressure - and a feeling of being attacked. They fear failure, and are deathly terrified of confronting failure. People will quickly shift the focus of the attack to someone or something external to feel a sense of relief, or absolvement.

This is because they live inside of a victim-mentality - where they are a pawn in the game of life that other people take advantage of, or cosmic circumstances screw them over regularly.

Or, it's because they realize some people actually do have problems, and fake a "woe is me" attitude to weasel their way into sympathy, attention, and forgiveness. Another excuse maker's rationale is because they are just lazy. Their priorities are not aligned, and rather than accomplishing what needs to get done, they procrastinate and then blame their failures on the sky wizard.

  • How "Excuse" Punishes

When you give a woman an excuse, you are subtextually screaming "I can't handle the responsibility! Please forgive me!" Essentially, you tell her that you're a child. Once that's been said, you surrender power and give her the opportunity to accept or reject your excuse.

Give excuses to anyone enough times, and they start to figure out your word means jack shit - that you are not reliable, untrustworthy, and ultimately full of shit. But this isn't just about other people - the sin of excusing ruins YOUR life. You lose your initiative, and let opportunity slip away.

Not only do you repulse the woman by putting her in a position of power over you - you also frustrate her with your inability to accept responsibility and lead. The woman will lose respect for you, and you can say goodbye to her tingles.


Rationalize - The Fourth horseman

The fucking hamster. The more you try to convince yourself of some bullshit, the more the hamster wheel spins.

  • What "Rationalize" Looks Like

"Why haven't you paid the bills?" --- "Well you see, I was going to pay the bills, but I was waiting for YOU to come home first! Yeah, that's it, totally not my laziness."

"Are you available?" --- "Ooh, I got my aunt coming over, then I gotta mow the lawn, then I gotta get ready for my dogs funeral, she was a shitzu, then I gotta do all sorts of things, I'm really busy I just can't make it!"

"I thought you were going to quit shooting heroin!" --- "Babe I couldn't do anything to stop it, my friend brought over the needle and it just happened!"

"Why did you do that to me?" --- *"I wasn't trying to hurt you, I was just trying to teach you a lesson! Besides what I did is better than what I WOULD HAVE done."

"So, did you get accepted into that college?" --- "Nah, they rejected me, but honestly I didn't even like that school that much anyways. They were a backup plan."

"You're such an idiot I'd never fuck you!" --- "Oh there must be something wrong with me if my oneitis won't fuck with me what will I do!?"

"So you smoke weed for the medical benefits?" --- "Yeah man, it like, cures seizures, and makes anorexia vanish, and it makes anxiety go away, not that I ever had any of those symptoms, but weed makes sure they never happen in the first place!"

Dazed look of confusion.

Genuine fireworks going off in one's eyes.

Breathing from mouth and gazing into the distance.

Shocked look on face. Open and surprised posture.

  • Why People "Rationalize "

A person rationalizes AFTER the fact. A decision or choice is made, then the rationalizing happens afterwards.

This is because of a human need for consistency - we need to have things align in our lives, so if we've made a bad decision based on an emotional state of mind, we will rationalize why it was the right decision afterwards, to remain congruent and consistent with our beliefs.

People want to feel justified, and righteous of their decision, no matter how bad, in order to preserve internal integrity and outward appearances. This is the height of convincing oneself through mental gymnastics. Because you realize you made a bad decision, but are fearful of accepting responsibility and enduring the repercussions, so you choose to jump through flaming hoops to convince yourself of why you made the right decision.

As such, rationalization always comes from a SUBJECTIVE observation of a situation, giving the rationalizer the greatest opportunity to convince themselves of what-ever it may be.

It's used to create an active block against feelings of guilt, shame, and failure.

  • How "Rationalize" Punishes

You will begin to rationalize the most self destructive and stupid behavior, once you let yourself stoop to that low.

In addition, people who rationalize the most have the most tedious, frustrating and unfulfilling lives. Because, although all their rationalizations do provide some emotional comfort, they also make them completely deluded when it comes to reality.

Essentially, you become a bitch, a woman - and unless the girl you're fucking is Bi or a lesbian, she's gonna see you as less of a man and lose attraction and respect for you.



Now, you are aware of the four horsemen.

With that knowledge, you may reclaim your power.

A great power, one that only Red Pilled men can wield - to call upon the Argument Archangels and DARE your woman!

DARE them with fervent might, and reap the valuable rewards.

Deflect, Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify, Repeat, Exit...

The four saviors of amending arguments.



Deflect - The First Archangel

The Pressure Flip.

  • What "Deflect" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"You're just another fuccboi, aren't you?" --- "Why? Is that what you like?"

"No, they always find me, but I hate them." --- "I bet you're filled with hatred."

"What the hell, why would you say that?" --- "Black nails, that little choker... tell me, on average, how many times a day do you just wanna scream 'Fuck these niggas!' huh?"

"OMG, that's how I feel at work EVERY DAY." --- "Yeah I bet, tell me more about that..."

"Why aren't the dishes done?" --- "Cus you're not in the kitchen babe."

"What?" --- "You heard me, go take care of it." --- "Okay, yes sir."

"I have a boyfriend," --- Completely ignore what she said and continue talking.

"ARGHH OH MY GOD IM GOING TO BE LATE WHY DID YOU WAKE UP SO LATE!!" --- "Uh uh, you know it's not really my fault, that idiot in front decided today was a good day to crash. Now if YOU wanna get out MY car and walk, that's fine, but you're not going to take it out on me. Don't do that again."

"ARRRGH, you're right... I'm sorry daddy... BUT FUCK THAT GUY."

"Why are you wearing that color?" --- "Why aren't you?"

"I bet you miss me, don't you!" --- "Just your ass."

"Cus I have good tastes in clothing." --- "Oh, here I was thinking your mother dressed you up."

"Damnit, why haven't you taken out the trash?" --- "Oh I will, just turn around for a second... -smack her ass and scooch her out the door.- You got it babe!"

"I want cookies and milk!" --- "You're a little baby." -Then give her a kiss.-

"You're kinda overweight, dont you think?" --- "Kinda reminds me of this story when I had an overweight luggage, they made me throw away 16 kilos of coke! I was sooo devastated."

"Wait, what the fuck? HAH! No but really you're kinda fat." --- "And you remind me of my needy little sister."

Simply changing the subject.

  • Why People "Deflect"

Red Pilled Men deflect / pressure flip because they understand women. Engaging in argument is a blue-pilled fools game to lose.

Deflecting what a women says is effective because it demonstrates that you are unphased by her whimsical non-sense, letting her teases and chastizings ricochet off you and bounce back to her. That's the second reason why you want to deflect, to give it right back to her in her cooter.

She won't be prepared for it more than 2 or 3 deflections. You want to keep going until you catch her off guard and make her stumble over her words.

  • How "Deflect" Rewards

Once the girl starts struggling over her words - you have demonstrated your social superiority and have shown that you are on a higher level than her, as her critiques or quips are completely meaningless - I.E. she has no power over you.

This will generate a fun and positive experience and interaction, in addition to generating arousal through small conflict. Finally, deflection keeps the attention off you and places it on where you want it.


Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify - The Second Archangel

Yeah, so what?

  • What "Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"You're really short," --- "What is it about short guys that turns you on so much?"

"I have a boyfriend," --- "I have a girlfriend, lets set them up and run away together. I just wonder who'd get the better deal..."

"Have you always been stupid?" --- "That's too hard for me to think about."

"I feel like I'm being replaced." --- "Nonsense, you'll always have a top tier spot on my harem."

"You really need a haircut." --- *"What the fuck? I'm bald! I've worn a wig this whole time. Come here pull it off."

"WHAT! No. I can't be with a bald guy... wait.. it's not coming off." --- "I knew you liked my hair, can't keep your hands off it."

"Awh, look at you trying to act all dominate," --- "Yeah, and look at you trying to hide that ass," -Smack her ass-"

"Jesus christ you're tall, hows the weather up there?" --- "I don't know, how bout you check the thermometer." -point at your dick.

"Are you just going to do nothing all day?" --- "Fuck yeah I am, if I work hard enough, I can keep this up for a full year!"

"You're such an asshole!" --- "Yeah I am, so what? Got little dingle berries hanging from the whiskers in my beard."

*Taking what a woman says, then agreeing with it and exaggerating it to clown level proportions.

  • Why People "Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify"

The point is, everything this woman has to say is all just a big joke. You're laughing and she's laughing. That's when you've got her. You've taken her negativity and turned it positive. It turns any negative comment into a game where you see how far you can keep going and making it over the top where you're basically making fun of her for saying something stupid or uncalled for.

At the very least, you agree with what they say, and it removes all power from their words. Yeah, you're a Red Pilled asshole, so what?

It shows indifference and it gives no power to accusations that are made against you.

  • How "Amusedly Agree And Absurdly Amplify" Rewards

AAAAA leads to a solid foundation of cocky, confident frame. This signals to women that you are comfortable in who you are, that you don't give a fuck, and that you can handle social stress, all of which are subtle bumps to your SMV.

What you are saying under the surface of your witty banter is, "Don't ask me stupid probing questions. I will not dignify them with a real response."

This is the key to passing a shit test.

AAAAA responses allow you to maintain the cocky/funny frame, and gives her the freedom to fall into your frame that you are the indestructible mountain of masculine energy, safely knowing her emotional winds can't sway you any which way, nor bring you down.

That is one feeling that makes her wet.


Repeat - The Third Archangel

Say That One More Time!

  • What "Repeat" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"Where are we going out again?" --- "You'll know when I'm ready."

"What? Just tell me!" --- "I will, when it's time."

"C'mon! What if I don't like the place we're going!" --- "That's possible, looks like we'll find out!"

"Argh! I'm gonna go get ready."

  • Why People "Repeat"

Because you do not have to explain yourself, nor should you do it - especially to your subordinates. They need to trust your leadership and take solace in knowing that you have accepted the responsibility of making the decisions.

Explaining yourself becomes annoying, and so does answering the infinite questions of childr- I mean woman. It is better to firmly repeat yourself until they get the picture.

  • How "Repeat" Rewards

Repeating yourself is a subtle and effective way to establish a frame of "I am in command of this ship. Trust me." Remember, women WILL leave you if they believe you are not fit for their following. Give her the opportunity to trust you, and surrender fully to your leadership.

Once she does, you will have her unending admiration.


Exit - The Fourth Archangel

  • What "Exit" Looks Like

Examples Are Italicized

"(Insert some dumb womanese here.)" --- You leave the room and engage in another activity.

"(She follows you into the room and says some more annoying shit.)" --- You continue whatever you were doing, effectively ignoring her.

  • Why People "Exit "

There are two ways to exit.

You can exit mentally, or physically. Silence is mental, leaving is physical.

The most important reasons for exiting is for your own peace of mind, and mastery over your time. With over 100 million women in my country alone, no one women is worth giving me any drama, stress, or annoyance greater than a tooth scraping against my dick. Even that is nearly a deal breaker.

Your life, at best, will last around 100 years. Now imagine how much of that time was already spent arguing, bickering, stressing over absolute bullshit that you could have applied towards more rewarding avenues of action?

All that wasted energy, wasted time, screaming about why ogling what a woman wears is misogynistic. Who gives a fuck? What does it matter, and more importantly, is this conversation worth the negativity and drama you're experiencing? HELL NO! And odds are, NO conversations with women are worth those depressive states.

Not only that, but exiting the conversation, whether mental or physical, keeps the power seated firmly inside your ballsack. YOU'RE the one who decides when shit starts or ends. YOU determine the rules of conversing, and YOU conclude what is worth discussing or not.

The last bastion of power is the willingness to walk away.

  • How "Exit" Rewards

Freedom.

And she'll probably come crawling back to you too. Maybe Even An apology blowjob.



Conclusion


Women in their happiest, most content state, are pee-pee poo-poo immature children who just want to be cute, adorable, and have fun.

You do not argue with a child.

The only way to win an argument with a woman is to CHANGE HER MOOD - NOT HER MIND.

Women do NOT look to you for explainations - like they are your leader.

Women do NOT look to you for reasoning - like they are your partner.

Women DO look to you for feelings, guidance, and leadership - like they are your follower.

Care for your woman, and you will find they behave similarly to a bubbly child - excited for fun and adventure.

When your baby daughter, young niece, or the baby next door calls you a poopey-face stupid-head, do you...

(Defend) You're not allowed to say that to me! Respect your elders! (Excuse) Besides I'm not one anyways. The real poopy faces live in Denver, so that's why I'm not one. (Explain) Do YOU even know what a poopey face REALLY is? A poopy face is... (Rationalize) I hope you learned your lesson - If someone raised you better, then you'd know not to say mean things to people!

OR DO YOU

(Deflect) No, but you have a poopy face right on your NOSE! (Agree And Amusedly Amplify) Now we both have poopy faces, only mine is bigger, so mine is a better poopy face. (Repeat) No, my poopy face is better. No, mine is better! Nope, you said I'm a poopy face, so mine is better! (Exit) You wanna be a poopy face too now? Okay fine now you are one, now give daddy and kiss on the cheek and run along to your room.

In a healthy sexual relationship, the submissive feminine women is subordinate to a competent, masculine male.

You, as the man, are the captain of the ship, and she is your trustworthy first-mate.

You were given the responsibility of being the ever knowing, omnipresent manifestation of masculinity, and she is the flowery child, impulsive, curious, emotional, and silly, but most of all, eager for definitive direction from a strong authority figure.

If at any point these roles switch, there will be hell to pay.

Ensure you remain the confident captain of your relationship by remembering to never DEER, and always DARE the woman you're with.




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581 upvotesAs-You-Were1 year ago

This sub only continues to impress, I’ve saved this to read again and again.

I remember I had a plate transitioning into fwb/ltr status, (not thats she’s special, she just hung in there...) and thought she had some kind of say in how I spent my time, so I ignored her. I went into my living room and went on my Mac.

She hovered around me for at least 40 minutes until she left. She returned like 10 minutes later saying “I guess I’ll be going then” in a sort of snide snarky tone. I reply with “I’m low on milk, be a doll and bring in some when you come back” without moving my eyes from the screen.

She started laughing, dropped her bag, went out and got milk, then came over and kissed me and apologised for being a bitch.

Exit REALLY works.

43 upvotesgains_o_clock1 year ago

yeah for sure; I really enjoyed the examples I wish the more seasoned RPers would give more examples to learn from as that's the best way I learn

86 upvotesShotgunTRP1 year ago

THis is one of those “good ol days” posts

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

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100 upvotesmizugi_lover1 year ago

This made me react with an audible 'Wow'!

The explanations are so simple and applicable in other social settings with examples to boot! Thanks for this. I'll save this to re-read and internalize.

153 upvotesDullIntroduction1 year ago

I use A&A a lot, it's especially useful in social settings to keep the mood light and defuse immediately a potential awkward situation.

Use it wisely though, always within a strong frame. That is the difference between A&A and just laughing at yourself and becoming a joke.

72 upvotesTrenGod371 year ago

The hardest part in all this is doing it enough that not only does it become second nature it becomes who are you are. Frame.

When first learning about this it’s very easy to get caught up in your head thinking of something witty to say. To start thinking “am I explaining myself. Fuck I am!”

You’ll be in a good run and your LTR will catch you off guard and you’ll be DEERing away again.

It’s very important to note this is a slow process. You will fuck up. But you will get better. That’s why we say STFU at first because you’re likely to say something dumb when you think you’re AA. And the girls going to be looking at you like “wtf are you talking about”

Be patient and don’t think you’re going to be a master at this shit right off the rip.

19 upvotesDullIntroduction1 year ago

The best thing is to practice A&A (or other techniques) among close friends, where you can look dumb once in a while with no worries. Take note of what works, what doesn't, what's used by others.

4 upvotesSPREAD_THE_LOVE_77911 year ago

When are you going to make a new post?

113 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

That's by far the most helpful post I have read on this subreddit. Pure Gold

117 upvotesGuardian_of_Justice1 year ago

Most of what you say is correct. You didn't account for one fact- you are overdoing it. Too many males exit BP and instantly try to be an Alpha and end up overdoing RP. Use it wisely. Being too cocky doesnt work.

42 upvotesWolfofAnarchy1 year ago

Being cocky in a relaxed and still polite manner (aka Daniel Craig in James Bond) works extremely well. Shows that you don't take things seriously, are confident and can laugh at things.

24 upvotesVendettos1 year ago

Bond-like frame is the best to have in every situation. Relaxed masculine and witty

50 upvotesFrontestgecko1 year ago

Being too cocky when you previously were not doesn’t work.

Being entitled to the point of it being almost offensive works surprisingly well and goes hand in hand with cockiness. It should go without saying that each situation and dynamic is different.

But when it comes to sexual interactions with women being self entitled and cocky as a guy is the morally correct dynamic. Of course you have to actually be the type of man that warrants having the attitude and a requirement is having mastery over yourself.

26 upvotesrahl_r1 year ago

Two thoughts...

1) Once upon a time, some wise guy recommended adopting the dad frame - as in behaving like the dad of the world and treating others like your children. A well-meaning dad, that is - not a deadbeat/wife-beater/absentee...

Sadly, said wise guy didn't explain the dad frame further. Now, I think this article does it some justice. Still, I'd like to read up more on the subject...

2) Some guys (right in this thread) mentioned that behaving in a red-pilled manner means being a disagreeable guy. The way I see it... it is far, far away from truth. The spineless sort of a man volunteers himself to take all the perceived conflicts from his surroundings as his own, effectively throwing himself into long-lasting agony & creating a bizzare show for the spectators. Still, he actually does not solve any conflicts, he just cluelessly martyrs himself for no results. On the other hand, the DARE thing, or the dad frame thing, it seems to be a sort of mastery, as it produces results fast and solves inter-personal conflicts the effective way.

6 upvotesPapiless1 year ago

I disagree.

Being alpha is basically not giving a shit about what anyone thinks about you because you have complete abundance in regards to friends, women, job opportunities/self-employed etc. What this means is that you can basically be honest about what you think about shit and be disagreeable if needed, which ironically gives you more friends and women + gives you percieved higher status at work. Conflicts only creates agony for betas, because they care/are afraid about the outcome of a conflict or care about what people think of them. An alpha does not care.
Alphas are HONEST, which means DISAGREEABLE if they do not agree.

3 upvotessmyger1 year ago

How can you be machavellian without being disagreeable? Maybe being machavellian is not necessary to be succesfull with women?

5 upvotesrahl_r1 year ago

If I understand the concept correctly... it'd be using the minimum amount of disagreeable to get your point across. That, and/or using the disagreeable move in an ultimate constructive direction.

Using the dad frame analogy, what would a shitty dad do? No rules, no boundaries - resulting in 4AM curfew, temper tantrums, and coca cola/ cheetos diet. Either that, or he'd be the type who bursts into fits of rage here and there, uncontrollably...

17 upvotesnewName5434561 year ago

DEER is a byproduct of taking other person too seriously.

Don't take women you want to hook up with too seriously. They don't really want that anyways.

15 upvotesInscrutablePUA1 year ago

Fucking A+ post with a gold star. If this was the only TRP article I was able to read, I'd still be able to get laid and handle my women. Shit it would even apply in dealing with BP men and life in general. Saved, and should be sidebar-ed because it's fundamental to pretty much any interaction you will have.

58 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

Bravo. Thorough yet not exhausting. Provides great examples. Humorous pokes at women in good taste. A+.

Mods, give him a point.

43 upvotesrudra_17931 year ago

Nothing new here in terms of information . But your writing style is very consistent and easy to follow . Cheers

9 upvotesWSBagholder1 year ago

This is the best post I've ever read on this subreddit that is not on the sidebar. Great job OP. It is bookmarked.

Put it in the sidebar, mods, it is well worth it.

9 upvotesCelicni1 year ago

"Would you argue with a child"

This is unrelated to the actual post, but I believe I have an actual problem. I CAN NOT FUCKING STAND WHEN SOMEONE IS WRONG. Like, if a 3 year old came up to me and told me 2+2=3 I'd argue until either death or until I change his mind. How to fix?

10 upvotesFUCK_YEA_GLITTER1 year ago

Maybe you have an anylitical and autistic mind, or you have little self control

9 upvotesCelicni1 year ago

Well I'd assume so, aren't we all a little autistic if we need a creepy internet cult to tell us how to get chicks? Trying to figure out how to fix that.

5 upvotesThePlague1 year ago

You just have to not care. You know the answer, you know they're wrong, so unless their misinformation somehow directly affects you let them wallow in their ignorance with a knowing smile.

3 upvotesCelicni1 year ago

Yeah the point is I can't do that.

5 upvotesThePlague1 year ago

Well, if you see yourself as the world's teacher, I guess you just have to go with that. I suggest adding a great deal of condescending mockery to at least have fun with it.

3 upvotesCryptoprins1 year ago

Learn to admit that you're wrong even when you absolutely know you're right. If you're confident you don't care how an idiot perceives you, but in a heated debate with an idiot you're absolutely going to hurt them and that is not how you should treat other people.

I remember my mom accusing me of not doing enough chores in the house on the weekends I visit; in particular not cleaning the dishwasher (Which i know is absolutely false as I do that all the fucking time). My first instinct was to defend. How could that blind cunt not see my effort? But decided to say: Alright, I will try to do better now.

Instead of creating a bitter and resentful situation I made her feel important. You clearly saw her mood instantly change from annoyed to happy and the rest of the day she was sweet as can be.

I'm pretty sure someone could get away with never cleaning the dishwasher if only you were insightful enough to apply this all the time.

1 upvotesmaryjellybelly1 year ago

"Why aren't the dishes done?" --- "Cus you're not in the kitchen babe." "What?" --- "You heard me, go take care of it." --- "Okay, yes sir."

Get the fuck outta here. This does not happen. Christ dude...

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Yeah that’s not a sign of a happy relationship.

7 upvotesDanishApollon1 year ago

Oh but it does. I use that with my girl in so many scenarios.

19 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Your girl says “yes sir” to you...? Non jokingly?

14 upvotesDanishApollon1 year ago

Yes. Well, the Danish translation. She's a good girl.

1 upvotesmaryjellybelly1 year ago

Does she have a personality?

Serious question, it just doesn’t sound healthy. I can’t imagine this outside of some sort of weird 1950’s neckbeard type of fantasy.

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a lot of shit that’s said around here but this is either total bullshit or there’s something about your relationship as I picture it from this bit of info that gives me a bad gut feeling.

Not talking shit, just telling you like I see it and want to know what you think

5 upvotesBluefish6801 year ago

I make all my plates call me master. First, use it in bed as a sexual roleplay. Then jokingly tell her to call you that outside the bed. First they will jokingly go along with it. Gradually they will just do it without thinking. A woman seek to please her man after all. Is it healthy? Well, I am happy and she is giggling so who cares? It's a fun thing to do.

-13 upvotes187oddfuture1 year ago

Ask this. Why the fuck should a man ever do the dishes, unless his girl/wife is out or incapacitated? It’s literally beneath him, as a firmly masculine man with a solid frame. It’s a shit test. If she asks you this, then sees you stutter to come up with an explanation and immediately bend over to start using the dishwasher, you’re a pussy, and she knows it. Why aren’t the dishes done? Because I don’t have to do them because I bought them with my money. Now go clean them. In you’re head of course, use OP’s dialogue.

35 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Yikes dude. I vibe with a lot of shit that’s said around here but I think this is my line. This is some sort of weird neckbeard type of thinking.

It’s just the dishes, it takes like 30 minutes to knock out. We both work and she does most of the other housework anyway. It’s not a dominance thing, it’s just something to take the load off while maintaining a functioning household. I feel like you are way overthinking things.

1 upvotesElectricGeeetar1 year ago

What if two people are in a relationship and both live in the same house and both work and they happen to cook and eat together at times so whoever happens to be free at the moment does the dishes ?

Honestly go back to 1930 where you belong

12 upvotesGlennBeckAmerica1 year ago

Yea im with u. If shes cooking and all that i see nothing wrong with clearing the plates and do8ng dishes.

6 upvotesElectricGeeetar1 year ago

Yeh I mean dishwashers are a thing so usually not too much hand washing to be done other than my cast iron stuff

1 upvotesMortar211 year ago

I think you missed the meaning behind the example, and got too amped up on the actual example itself, it was exaggerated for a reason with the “yes, sir!” It’s not about the dishes man, it’s about the principle behind it, yeah sure if you do the dishes, fine, no big deal, now imagine your wife coming home asking, “why isn’t there food on the table?” And you suddenly get the point...

5 upvotesElectricGeeetar1 year ago

Nope I don’t get the point whoever is available/wants to cook can.

33 upvotesTrowawayantifap281 year ago

Great post my man. Thanks for this detailed write up! Much appreciated.

5 upvotesBlackCraneStoic1 year ago

Why this isn't on the side-bar yet is beyond me. The mods need a dose of the ban-hammer for this blunder.

5 upvotesOneCovah1 year ago

Don't complain, don't explain, good romantic advice if there was any, and I am sure someone has brought this up in the 167 comments before mine.

The real man says, fuck me or fuck you. There is nothing else. What is a woman for? If she does not put out, then good bye. After all, they say no to us and men need to say no to women. Not tonight? Then fuck you, I'm going sky diving (or scuba diving or earn a PhD, real men do not need women to be real men).

Red flags are important. As soon as the games start, the relationship is over. If you are worth keeping then she'll control the games. When the games start, she shows contempt. Games meaning play hard to get, conditional consent, capricious consent, the whining listed in topic, dishonesty, discourtesy, and whatever else.

Time is on our side, the man's side. Woman's beauty is a gift of nature and as nature gives, nature takes away. Manhood is earned, and endures. A woman can never win her games, time makes her the loser. He who laughs last laughs best, and that is the man.

Love and marriage are temporary. She will lose her passion after marriage, guaranteed, and the children will grow up and more away, and the woman will be a sexless shrew, and the man in his 50s, 60s, 70s. etc. an alpha male fertile and skilled and affluent. I believe the majority of men on forums like this are too young to see the great wheel of time, and see the 20-something babes and wonder, what is wrong with me? Nothing, it gets better.

204 upvotesabcgoodyabc1 year ago

So many words.

this is the essence - The only way to win an argument with a woman is to CHANGE HER MOOD - NOT HER MIND

180 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

The amount of upvotes for this comment is sad. Lazy shits. That tldr has no practical value outside all the examples and explanations he gave. If you want dumbed down posts, go read something more appropriate for your intellect like Cosmo’s Top 10 Kardashian things bla blah. Cant even finish the sentence, that’s more your speed bud. All aboard the short bus, choo choo!

65 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Very true. OP's post tells you HOW to change her mood and how to deal with her shit tests. His post is a great read and is worth every second.

"Change her mood" is great advice, but it doesn't tell you shit for how to do it. Women's moods aren't easily changed if you don't know how, you'll just end up squirming.

1 upvotesseekingeagle1 year ago

Yeah. Especially when he said that thing about being an enigma that can be stabbed without suffering from any wound.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Let the man be passionate, damn it!

3 upvotesTroll_Name1 year ago

The amount of upvotes for this comment is sad. Lazy shits.

Receiving less attention is a bad grade for the dude on stage, not the audience. Posting a thread on a message board doesn't make you an authority, it makes you a karaoke singer. I like OP's post but I also notice the extra effort it takes to go over this writing and obtain no extra information. The audience doesn't get a grade, they get a show and take it or leave it.

This is mainly for all the youtubers out there: don't make your stuff slower-than-necessary (length = slowness, but good organization is a speedup) and then complain about people not finishing it. Someone else on Youtube (or message boards etc) does the same job as you, charges the same price, and gets it done faster or cleaner or more thoroughly.

39 upvotesAlphaNathan1 year ago

It's actually a pretty fun read, but yeah that's the tldr.

All "game" is dominance/submission. Trying to change her mind is moving into her frame, which is submission. Changing her mood is dominant frame holding.

3 upvotesValarMorghulis901 year ago

I feel like the deep explanations (the irony) help the ducklings who can't do this stuff naturally, which by the way ducklings, if you're reading this then go practice. You'll probably be awkward at first, but take it from a former incel, just go do it. It works out eventually.

13 upvotesuebermacht1 year ago

Gread contribution!
An addition to The Third horseman: Don't Talk to Me Like a Bitch.
/u/Whisper explained the topic on point!

6 upvotesYesKiddo1 year ago

I am so glad that i have found this sub at a young age.

7 upvotesdrbaker871 year ago

You'll regret it in a decade.

14 upvotesBaelorsBalls1 year ago

“be a social, amusing asshole, not a cuck” basic tutorial #1 here

20 upvotesTheMassivePassive1 year ago

Yup. Women expect you to lead. When you don't, they lose all respect in an instant. Luckily you can win it back quickly too, because of how fickle they are.

3 upvotesKebabKoobideh1 year ago

Upvoted and saved. Thanks.

4 upvotesSlySoothSayer1 year ago

High quality post 1+

3 upvotes-Mosbius-Designs1 year ago

Damn. Thank you for this post.

4 upvotesjuju5151 year ago

I always try to rationalize... :/ I have to stop doing that... but my brain just works that way... have to try harder...

10 upvotesSqtlol1 year ago

Quality post! One thought that strikes me, and continues to do so: does being red pilled suggest that you have to be close minded in situations and not take advice where you could actually grow and develop yourself?

Personally, I work for a powerful career woman who has the possibility of teaching me all sorts of tricks from the industry. Now, due to her personality and behaviour - she strikes me more like a man, she is super dominant in her field and doesn’t take no for an answer. I just can’t help but feel that being «immovable» in your thoughts, values and believes proves to be a detriment towards your continous growth IF and WHEN you are still young and have things yet to comprehend and learn.

6 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

OP is the default method of speaking to a female. Your situation is an exception. The second you no longer work for her, revert back to the default. Never accept a power dyanmic in the female’s favor, ever.

14 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

Red Pill men tend to be highly disagreeable - however, there is nuance involved in all facets of life.

In order to be a "career women", she must be deeply entrenched in masculine energy.

In my experience, and stereotypically, powerful career women see their favorite underlings as children, their sons and daughters who they can instill knowledge and wisdom into.

On the other hand, bossy career women see their normal underlings as minions - disposable and nameless NPC's like from a roleplaying video game.


You don't need to blindly follow everything. Awareness of everything, then application of what works is what counts.

Think of the red pill as a tool box, where you take out and use what you need to get the job done.

You could consider shadowing this boss woman, following her, then usurping her in a top-tier, red pill, machiavellian power play.

My 0.02

1 upvotesFyrjefe1 year ago

If you recognise a moment of value in another person, I don't see why you wouldn't engage. An overarching theme that I got from the post is to always affirm your own value. If you're encountering a professional women with more experience, it does not diminish you to glean from it. It's not a zero sum game, which feminism has assumed in its fight for "equal rights". Knowledge is capitalistic: value begets value. Hope that helps.

3 upvotesSove1311 year ago

Tbh it's great post, I like the comments.

3 upvotescelloist1 year ago

Grade A gold post

3 upvotesjackandjill221 year ago

Overcoming the anger/delusions is the hard part. Are that it's the same story, different variations.

3 upvotesGaujo1 year ago

How can I copy the OP on mobile? I want to save it on my phone as a text file.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Sticky this/sidebar this please, mods. It's not exactly new, but it is comprehensive and well-explained with good examples.

3 upvotesIClogToilets1 year ago

Trump needs to read this. His constant counter attacks on Twitter make him look small.

6 upvotesPinkPilledRed171 year ago

Only to people who don't understand his tactics. He's playing 10 dimensional chess.

2 upvotesCalfReddit1 year ago

That's because he is an idiot who doesn't understand science and hates the LGBT

3 upvotesscrewston2811 year ago

Bless your heart brother. Some wise logic right there.

3 upvotesSavingMasculinity1 year ago

**SLOW CLAP**

Bravo. Brilliant post.

3 upvotesbosshog2341 year ago

Anything said by a woman is meaningless by virtue of it being said by a woman.

Internalizing this truth, and choosing not to engage her deficient intellect or failures to grasp basic reality, keeps the pussy cream flowing, no matter how bat-shit crazy or blatantly wrong she is.... if that is what you are going for.

If she is intolerable, leave, but that depends what your intentions are.

You can’t reason with a feeling.

Feminism has created a hoard of women in denial of reality. This post offers a lot of good advice.

3 upvotesfilrabat1 year ago

While I agree that always, perhaps most of the time, accepting guilt is not a healthy way to go about things (depending on the particular woman you're out with), at least 1/4 the stuff in the list is a legit complaint (e.g., "Why were you flirting with her", "Why didn't you pick up the kids" (when you previously agreed), and "Why didn't you pay the bills" (your fair share or your turn to do so, that is). That's just being a responsible and decent human being. As for the rest, well - the problem is that too many men start with the assumption that sexual success is the end all, be all of life, then build their whole skyscraper on that foundation. If a man is truly independent, then he won't put priority on getting laid at all - even the ability to get laid. He finds fulfilment in adherence to his own values and principles (so long as he's not hurting or degrading others in the process). He certainly doesn't need a woman or offspring to feel complete. Anyone who doubts this is simply misunderstanding what "independent" means.

3 upvotesBIueJayWay1 year ago

Women are not your "subordinates".

"Why aren't the dishes done?" --- "Cus you're not in the kitchen babe."

"What?" --- "You heard me, go take care of it." --- "Okay, yes sir."

"yes sir"? I'd stop watching so much porn, and actually go talk to a woman for once.

1 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

Girls are just people, talk to them like it. It's not hard if you have any social skills and don't have this weird sexist mindset about every interaction

10 upvotesmattizie1 year ago

DEFLECT:
Why the fuck are you even here.

AA&AA:
Awesome, how about you start a PUA sect based on the notion that girls are just people and you shouldn't be sexist. In order to not be sexist, you have to treat them the same. But you don't kiss and fuck other (non-girl) people right? Well here's a trick that will allow you to fuck chicks but also not be sexist. What you need to do is treat all genders the same, so you need to fuck wamyn, men, trans-men, trans-women, bisexually gendered people, and those that identify as an apache attack helicopter. It's not gay or mental illness, it's just being non-sexist. Also because men are the ones that are "on top", but women aren't, well that's sexism right there, so be sure to bring a strapon with you for your next date cis-gendered woman so that you're not being sexist.

REPEAT:
But really, why the fuck are you here?

EXIT:
Fuck off cunt

2 upvotesGeuseyBetel1 year ago

Girls are people. But girls and boys are MASSIVELY different because of these chemicals called testosterone and estrogen. It's not sexist, it's reality.

1 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

This is exactly the problem that people on this sub seems to have. Girls and boys are NOT so massively different that you cannot have the same conversation with both. Talk about exactly the same things with girls as you would with boys, and 99% of the time it will be completly fine. The reason that 'red pill' people can't do this is because in every interaction with a woman you have this underlying idea that they are some strange foreign creature, and therefore you cant hold a conversation because you don't respect them as a normal person equal to you. It seems that a lot of this comes from a weird idea that women exist for you to try and fuck, which since we're no longer cavemen and live in civilized society doesn't fly anymore.

12 upvotesShotgunTRP1 year ago

There are thousands of men on this sub who tried communicating in a rational conversation led interaction you suggest

Tried it over and over to no avail

This is my natural state and I’ve tried it over and over

Then we start experimenting with this between the lines type of power talk. And you know what? It works.

We don’t want it to work, we want rational conversation to work because it seems right and it’s the easiest way to communicate as a male.

Then you start to notice the naturals do all this stuff naturally. People with high confidence and positions of power do this stuff naturally

But whatever. You keep doing you. We’ll see you back here in a couple of months under a different screen name

13 upvotesRedPillCoach1 year ago

Girls and boys are NOT so massively different that you cannot have the same conversation with both.

If the goal is to have sex with the women in question then you absolutely cannot have the same conversations with both sexes. This sub is about sexual strategy and until you realize that men and women approach sexual strategy very differently you will have problems.

weird idea that women exist for you to try and fuck

This is incell language. No thanks. Are you really claiming that women exist for you to "talk with" about politics, religion, and philosophy?

Good luck with that.

Women exist to have sex and grow babies just like we exist to have sex and implant babies.

7 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

Are you really claiming that women exist for you to "talk with" about politics, religion, and philosophy?

Yes. Exactly that. Have done and will keep doing. But you keep on treating them like children and then complain that they don't like you. And in 5 years when you grow up a bit you'll realise just how dumb that really is

16 upvotesRedPillCoach1 year ago

when you grow up a bit

Nice try. I am 50 and have been married for more than 25 years. In 5 years you will be the one to wake up and realize that your supplicating "talk to them like people" strategy has got you friend zoned by every woman you ever loved and/or relegated to a deadbedroom marriage with a woman who despises you.

You will learn- when you grow up. Right now that process would be relatively painless. You can just take the Red Pill now brother or you can wait until the Family Courts use that giant Red Suppository lined with sandpaper and glass and shove it up your bleeding ass.

20 upvotesGeuseyBetel1 year ago

Boys and girls can just have conversations... of course.

But if you want to appeal sexually attractive to women, you have to appeal to the same biological mechanisms that tell them "this is a worthy mate, make babies with him"... developed through millions of years of evolution.

Yes we're no longer cavemen and live in a civilized society... but biology doesn't GAF about your civilized society.

1 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

The post was entitled Talking to women, not how can I get laid. Regardless, if you want to attract women then actually respecting them as a person is a good start. If you actually buy into the whole 'women want a bad boy to disrespect them' meme then prepare for a lifetime of empty, failed relationship with no real meaning.

14 upvotesGeuseyBetel1 year ago

I think it's implied in a dating sense though. People here understand you can't do this with your female boss...

I cant speak for others, but applying TRP theory has made me immensely more successful with women then ever in my life.

5 upvotesFyrjefe1 year ago

I think you need to reread this post again. It's fine that you are willing to critique the content, but you haven't even addressed anything there specifically. Broad statements like, "why can't you just talk to her" and "no need to be a bad boy" don't address what was discussed. Here, I will start. Can we at least agree that there is something wrong with DEER? Are there any benefits?

3 upvotesinfamous32381 year ago

You are still plugged in. Read the sidebar again and before you comment next.

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I mean at base evolutionary thinking yes women do exist for us to try and fuck and we exist to fuck them. That’s how we have 8 billion people on this planet.

I agree red pill takes gender interactions a bit far in some ways but this post is pure gold. One of the best contributions I’ve seen on this website.

And in what world are you living in where guys and girls talk about the same thing 99% of the time? I don’t talk in a manner as extreme as OP, probably only 60% as extreme RP as the examples he laid out. But women respond the best when you treat them in the fashion laid out in this post.

1 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

And in what world are you living in where guys and girls talk about the same thing 99% of the time?

The world after school, where actual adults interact. For most people on this sub, what they need is a big dose of maturity and some actual experience talking to girls. Not a checklist of things to say to girls to get sex in return. The rest may need psychological support or counselling. I'm not trying to be a dick, but that's the truth. If you are under 20, its natural to have difficulty with the opposite sex, but that will go away with time.

9 upvotesRedPillCoach1 year ago

that will go away with time.

Red Pill explains why. Can you?

Hint: It's not pretty.

5 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

Why would you speak and act like most adults when the vast majority of the men on this planet can’t and have never in the history of time been able to flirt, much less have sex with attractive women to save their life? Good for you, you had an intellectual conversation. Good for you, you shook her hand, got a hug or a smiley face emoticon.

7 upvotesTrenGod371 year ago

Dude come on. You’re at the wrong place for this.

You’re not changing anyone’s mind here with your ideas. That’s like running Into a church trying to convince them Satan is really God and you should follow him instead. Good luck.

1 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

Well there's no point saying this stuff to anyone but this sub, because everyone else already realises this stuff. You know the 'internet bubble' is a bad thing right, and everyone should try to hear ideas that may contradict their own. Just hoping that even 1 person reads this and changed their view, even if it's unlikely.

16 upvotesRedPillCoach1 year ago

everyone should try to hear ideas that may contradict their own.

We get all that from the MSM, every woman we meet, and the rest of the internet. We don't need "equal time" on the Red Pill. The Red Pill IS equal time.

8 upvotesTrenGod371 year ago

The fact you are spending time in a sub that talks about a certain set of principles. And are wasting your time trying to change everyones mind about them to fit YOUR belief, for whatever reason. Is retarded.

You either have a really boring ass life. Or you have a mental issue you should probably spend time taking care of instead of being a blue pill hero.

The issue isn’t even that you’re “right” or “wrong” its the why.

Best of luck. Take care recruiter.

4 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

Vague bp mantra nonsense.

/u/theredpike, ban him.

6 upvotesTheRedPike1 year ago

Done

1 upvotesWadWaddy1 year ago

He disagreed, quick protect me from seeing anything I don't like. Grow up

3 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

Better protect yo mama. Im about to bust my wadwaddy on her face. “Warlock was here”

10 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

Wow, roasted by his own name. Top quality Kek right'ere.

Just saw his latest comment, bloopster confirmed.

9 upvotesTheRedPike1 year ago

You triggered a brigade. A+

2 upvotesAwkwardEmpath1 year ago

Great read. The examples and explanations were great for someone like me. Thanks for sharing.

2 upvotesProto_Sigma1 year ago

I don't know if my nomination for the sidebar means anything, but I'm going to give it anyway, this post deserves it.

2 upvotesburrrahhh1 year ago

Read about this in no more mr nice guy. If you recognize when you go into deer mode and stop doing that you will eventually do what OP suggested.

2 upvotesSKRedPill1 year ago

Posts like this are worth more than all the theory, cause real life has no end to the variety of tests it throws at. Keep it up OP!

2 upvotesAlpha_Jedi1 year ago

Well written. This should be stickied. Cheers.

2 upvotestestanum1 year ago

This is one of those posts that you re-read 10 times, take notes on and save to read over and over again.

Fuckin gold.

Thankyou.

2 upvotesMrAnderzon1 year ago

When a FWB says i need to communicate/text more besides logistics.

I look at it like a terrorist wanting to negotiate. Trp: We don't negotiate with terrorist. Exit and Defelect

And keep the texts to logistics only. Rare occasion should i text a "how are you" type text

2 upvotesTFWnoLTR1 year ago

I needed this so badly, OP. Just want to say thanks!

2 upvotescmVkZGl01 year ago

Vagina play toy

Great way to refer to another human being.

2 upvotesyounngtrouble1 year ago

SERIOUS inquiry which I think is somewhat interesting.

And NO; the scenario I'm about to relay to you is not me thinking, "Oh man, I hope I didn't mess up with her!" This is me just seeking insight as to what occurred:

I was at a bar with a friend, and these two girls came up to talk to us. I am a black man, let's same my name is Courtney (lol, sorry to the Courtney's out there).

I introduced myself to one of the ladies very politely, and for some reason she responded with,

"That name is white as fuck." Not in a joking manner, but in a very snide and rude manner.

This girl was a white girl.

Dumbfounded, I calmly but in a slightly confused manner responded with:

"You're white as fuck...?"

I WAS in someway defensive, offended even, I'll admit that. And I DID clearly show that the remark had an effect on me, which is a red pill violation. Probably demonstrating insecurity of my name AND identity...

But, she walked up to us, total strangers, and began to insult us, bringing race into the conversation. I was neither in a relationship with her, nor did I even have time to game her before she said this. We were complete strangers to one another.

My question is where do you draw the line between being disrespected and checking her, versus being defensive of what she says?

Was this defensiveness, or was this response a very powerful deflection to a tasteless remark?

Does race even play a role? Thanks guys.

(p.s. I don't know if this helps, but I was the only black friend. She didn't walk up to two black people and start gunning lmao-----Interestingly, she gave my white friend a kiss on the cheek, but came at my blackness. And Im not overthinking this, I just wanted y'all to know all the deets!)

3 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

Sounds like a dumb racist who wants black dick on the low so she kisses your friend to incite jealousy from you, in the hopes that you just take her

1 upvotesyounngtrouble1 year ago

hmmm, interesting. That is a possibility. However, I'm less concerned with her desires and more concerned with my question (which I guess got sort of lost in this paragraph):

Where do you draw the line between being disrespected by a woman and responding accordingly, to a response being considered "defensive"?

3 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

I see.

Go into my post and look at the "defensive" responses.

Then compare those to the "AAAAA" and "Deflect" responses.

That's the difference

1 upvotesyounngtrouble1 year ago

You're totally right, my confusion was rooted in the fact that I misread your examples.

I am now certain that my response was an intelligent deflection. Thanks boss.

0 upvotesFrankCostanza1111 year ago

"I actually am white, this is just a really dark tan."

"Man, thank you! I have been trying so hard to fit into white society. I sincerely appreciate that."

2 upvotespragmatic_nihilist1 year ago

I DEER’d so hard only a couple of years ago. Glad to see, before reading this post, I have switched my formula, mindset, and being over to DARE. it’s always good to see the things you know or need to know put into organized words. great post dude

-3 upvotesmagx011 year ago

Thanks for letting us know. We were all wondering.

-1 upvotespragmatic_nihilist1 year ago

bitch i’m your lord and savior

-3 upvotesmagx011 year ago

You're on reddit. You nor I are saving shit.

1 upvotesNotYourTypicalNurse1 year ago

High quality post, side bar material IMO. Thank you for going out of your way to construct this.

1 upvotesBraindeadIQ1 year ago

Very great write up! Loved it.

But can someone EL5 what this means? I’m not understanding this 100%..do they not look to us (men) for explanations and reasons because they already expect it from us as leaders or what?

Women do NOT look to you for explainations - like they are your leader.

Women do NOT look to you for reasoning - like they are your partner.

Women DO look to you for feelings, guidance, and leadership - like they are your follower.

1 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

As a leader, your followers trust you to give direction, and give their well being to you.

You don't explain yourself to your subordinates.

1 upvotesfadadapple1 year ago

I love this, but some of the Deflect responses you listed seem a little harsh. If they are said in the wrong way, they seem like they can cause a girl to feel unappreciated and could ruin an otherwise happy relationship.

1 upvotesZech4riah1 year ago

The last 3 horsemen are pretty much the same (explain, excuse and rationalize).

1 upvotesVithonil1 year ago

How do you "Exit" without looking like a whiney little bitch? I've always been asking myself that.

3 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

Just leave. If something's being annoying it isnt worth your time.

1 upvotesVithonil1 year ago

But doesn't that make it look like she "broke" your frame? I always get ridiculed from for example my younger brother when he annoys me and I simply do something else. I don't care about that, of course, but to me it's always seemed to be a sign of weakness when you just leave. Maybe I'm just perceiving it wrong.

2 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

No it's the exact opposite. Frame is "you're not worth my time anymore."

Frame = reality.

You stay and argue? Your frame = "i like drama and arguing."

2 upvotesVithonil1 year ago

Thanks for the clarification. Love your YouTube channel btw

1 upvotessmyger1 year ago

GOLDEN STUFF!!! Damn it man.

1 upvotesajbrooks1921 year ago

This post has actually been on my mind a lot. My question is, when is the appropriate time for which response, mainly in regards to D and A? For example, on the eric andre show, Amber heard says to him "you need a wash bro" to which he responds "I'll take a bath in front of you, I'll take a dump in front of you, that's how comfortable i am"

To me this is a classic A response, but in my mind you could just as easily replace it with a D ressponse because he is in a shit test. Is it just a play it by case thing? Or are they truly interchangeable?

1 upvotesZsaqwes81 year ago

If somebody treats you like shit why should you agree and amplify. You dont have to tolerate shitty behavior, let alone play their game. Or are you speaking exclusively about the hookup scene with people you've never met

Edit: and you literally say to clown level proportions, acting like a clown is not going to attract women

1 upvotestheycallmedumdum1 year ago

Not necessarily being a clown. But I think he explained it pretty well. You take what they say and kinda spin it into something absurd. It kinda gets your point across that what they're saying is absurd. Covertly.

1 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

"Lol you're such a short guy?"

"Haha yeah lemme just grab my stilts so I can fuck you in your mouth"

"Oh my god what did you just say to me?!"

"What, you can't hear me from all the way up there?"

just take what they say and roll with it, multiply what they say

1 upvotesboy_named_su1 year ago

What to do when someone offers you unsolicited advice? Or complains about your taste in music?

1 upvotesBlackCraneStoic1 year ago

After rereading this excellent post another takeaway is that Men are the adults in the relationship to the women's inner child. If a man is underdeveloped from a social/emotion/mental/or even physical standpoint in some cases she'll treat him like the kid she never wanted because that's what the guy essentially made himself out to be.

So in short relationships always follow a subtle dynamic Man/girl or boy/Woman. Make sure you're dynamic is the first one or you'll get abused like a neglected orphan. Avoid being a Harry Potter in relationships and be a Typer Durden.

1 upvotesOkStretch1 year ago

Thank you. Gonna try this. Gotta whip the ol bitch into shape.

1 upvotesscorpionkg1 year ago

Thank you for your service!

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

Holy shit this is the funniest thing I have ever read.

1 upvotestinyredline1 year ago

I just read this and felt how something shock in my brain, amazing words. Thank you.

1 upvotesdont_member_password1 year ago

What happened to the post? Removed by poster or others?

2 upvotesquentinthequibbler1 year ago

Great post. Just disagree with the child part. That’s just gross.

0 upvotescondorama1 year ago

I sympathize strongly with TRP shit generally, but women aren’t just sexualized children. This is a lame post.

1 upvotesCaptDeadlift1 year ago

Had fun reading this compared to the usual stuff on the sub. I agree with a lot of things that you said especially A&A and Exiting.

1 upvoteskyzen1421 year ago

I have this thing called the " because I said so " principal. It is a great way to practise holding ur frame. It is lime you owe no one an explanation why you said something.

1 upvotesGeneral_Duggah1 year ago

Holy fuck, I feel bad for people who

a) Take the time to write this shit. Like you really don’t have a fucking life. Holy shit lmao.

b)Take the time to read shit like this and think this works. IQ level lower than your looks rating on the scale.

1 upvotesSpecOpsAlpha1 year ago

My issue would be the women to whom this applies: why would anyone want to be with a woman who is essentially a spoiled toddler? And what kind of man actually wants a woman like that?

I value maturity, intelligence, confidence and personal integrity. Trying to live with a toddler in a woman’s body? No thanks, Jeff.

5 upvotesdr_warlock1 year ago

Spoiled toddler or no taco. Choose one.

2 upvotesSpecOpsAlpha1 year ago

Been married over 20 years, 3 kids, wife makes 6 figures, runs marathons and I taught her how to responsibly carry (a .38 Special). I’m happy.

1 upvotesseiretnemeS1 year ago

Oh, my sweat summer child.

3 upvotesvirusofthemind1 year ago

Feel bad for yourself not the op or readers...

1 upvotesraphier1 year ago

Op has major daddy fantasies

5 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

They aren't just fantasies, trust me, lol.

-1 upvotesHopelessDistraction1 year ago

It’s an okay explanation of how to keep frame, but is absurdly long. Yeah, the examples are stupid, but a lot of guys will learn from this post. Could be half as long and twice as effective.

0 upvotesRedGunnera1 year ago

Awesome post, very eye opening dissemination of the errors I have made previously in arguing with childr- ... I mean women. Thank you

1 upvotes-ordinary1 year ago

Lol you virgins are fucking morons

Any other systems you got to help me act like a complete ass out on the town?

12 upvotesLiveAFTSOV [OP]1 year ago

You seem perfectly capable of it already.

1 upvotes-ordinary1 year ago

For sure, but I would love a system

Preferably one with a cool acronym

Just to make sure I’m as disingenuous and robotic as possible. I really need a safety blanket because it’s all so overwhelming!!

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 1 year ago

I’ve always been DARE without noticing it, but the examplse you give are television worthy. That’s some insane bravado.





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