Honestly whats all the fuss about Body counts?

4thAndLong · 2020-12-16T16:04:46+00:00

High SMV males don't have to compromise. They can engage in an LTR on their terms.

neubs · 2020-12-16T15:41:33+00:00

If a woman has fucked a lot of guys chances are she has fucked guys better than you. A woman with a low body count doesn't know any better. I'd feel better about burgers all the time if I never had a steak for example. Once she has that mind shattering sex with a top guy who would never commit to her anyway there is no going back. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Responsible-Bike9047 · 2020-12-16T18:13:10+00:00

I swear everyone in this thread lives under a rock. No one cares about body count in the real world. I haven’t been asked how many bodies I have since I was 17 ffs. The only people who care abt body count are virgins😭

washington_breadstix · 2020-12-16T17:59:51+00:00

A lot of the "fuss" about this issue comes down to the fact that it's far, far easier for the average woman to rack up a high body count than it is for the average man (key word: "average"). This leads to a significant level of envy on the male side because they wish they could have sex with new partners that easily.

Although there are certainly cases of partnerships with large disparities in body count, I find that sex is fundamental enough to the human experience that people with drastically different views on sex are usually bound not to run in the same social circles in the first place and thus probably aren't marrying each other as often as "the Internet" might have you believe.

And in my experience as a guy who has discussed this issue with other guys, what appears to matter more to us than pure body-count is sexual consistency across relationships. A guy might not care whether his girlfriend has had 20 previous partners as long as she's fucking him at least as often and as adventurously as she fucked those other men. The far larger "boogeyman" in the male mind lies in the possibility that his girlfriend is throwing him missionary duty sex once per week while her past boyfriends got every hole whenever they wanted it, any position, complete unrestrained "Let me be your whore" behavior.

Vindicator_ · 2020-12-16T16:44:47+00:00

Well two things you said "Why not marry a guy in your league" talking about HBC women trying to date HBC men. Most can't and won't.

Because they know these HBC men are not serious long-term stabilized, and the HBC men could also care less about them so its much harder for a woman to date up especially as time ages.

And me personally, I don't want my girl to have a high body count because I want the sex to be special. Pretty simple, if I'm the second time a girl has slept with someone the sex is much more special than the 20th person.

After 10 people it starts becoming "sex is just sex", for men. For women after they get like 6/7 deep its "sex is just sex".

Cleanit_up_Jannies · 2020-12-16T16:42:54+00:00

i dont get it

You put it very simply in your next few lines: "HBC men GO FOR virgins or near virgins. HBC women SETTLE for LBC men who have an issue with her past." In your own post about not knowing, you literally explained it as the men who fuck get their pick but the men who dont get whatevers left over.

why not marry a guy in your league?

Why not get the best you can?

if you slept around why not date an hbc too?

Because people dont self sabotage their love life over a notion of fairness to a stranger.

why make an issue out of it as if they cant have choices

But you admitted they have no choices, its why women SETTLED for their lbc man.

women claim sex isnt everything

Its not everything but its very high up there in terms of importance. Hell, no sex is literally one of the biggest issues you can have.

virgins put up with bad sex because they dont know any better

This is always such a bad take. I was bad when i started having sex, and my virgin gf told me so. Her lack of experience didnt prevent her from realizing i wasnt making her O, and her telling me is what made me improve. People naturally understand that when you're building up to an O and dont get there, something is up.

ChamomileSteel · 2020-12-16T17:07:07+00:00

“Body counts” don’t necessarily equate to sexual skill/ability.

Vindicator_ · 2020-12-16T15:46:12+00:00

Why not just marry a guy in your league?

because those high-value guys really want

ask for LBC/Virgin girls when it comes to marriage/LTR

just like you said.

ALL men prefer lower n for LTR. and I mean ALL men, whether they admit it or not. so why would a high value dude (i.e. the type to get laid a lot) settle for anything else in an LTR?

high n women: low value. high n men: high value.

LittyKitsune · 2020-12-16T16:56:56+00:00

Majority of women i’ve talked to, claim that sex isn’t everything in a relationship. But then go onto claim that an LBC/Virgin girl is effectively putting up with ‘bad sex’ as she hasn’t experienced anything else. And how its necessary for that to happen (for her to know what good sex is).

Even virgins know what bad sex is, most women agree on this. The difference is that many virgins from conservative backgrounds are conditioned to believe that women aren't supposed to enjoy sex anyway. It's something they put up with to have babies.

If sex isn’t everything then very well it shouldn’t be used as a way to defend body counts. So what if she doesn’t ‘know better’ ? LTRs work around compromises so why not compromise on sex a bit?

I've never seen a woman say "women need to sleep around to know what bad sex is." Every woman was a virgin at some point. Most first times are awkward/unremarkable at best, they didn't need to "know better" to realize that.

SmurfESmurferson · 2020-12-16T15:59:04+00:00

So what if she doesn’t ‘know better’?

Because bad sex is bad sex. It doesn’t matter if she ‘knows better’ or not, bad sex in and of itself will submarine a relationship

An example: I dated a guy who had a fetish for a particular sex act done a particular way. At first, even though that particular way is decidedly not my cup of tea, I happily did it to make him happy/fulfilled

However, as time wore on, I started to detest not just the particular way of doing it, but the act itself. This guy almost completely destroyed my enjoyment of an act that - when done a different way - can be very enjoyable

No matter what my N count was, the disgust I felt for the act would have still bled over to the disgust I eventually felt for him, and the intimacy of our relationship would still have been ruined

The difference that my N count made? I knew that I liked that act, when done a different way. It didn’t turn me off of it completely. If I had no prior experience (or very limited), I definitely would have been off that act forever

kweebia · 2020-12-16T18:36:05+00:00

HBC women generally have damaged their ability to pair bond. They just aren't able to form the bonds they need for an LTR. While women don't "expect" men to be HBC, what they do expect is for men to "know what they are doing " in the bedroom. This leads to the question of how would an LBC man get the information to "know what they are doing"? Most guys would probably not want an HBC woman, but an LBC is usually acceptable. So guys realize that while women are the gatekeeper of the bedroom fun, men are the gatekeepers of relationships, so realize you have more power than you actually think you do.

2020-12-16T21:20:09+00:00

”Honestly whats all the fuss about Body counts?”

Some authors defend that infidelity may come as a consequence of promiscuity, and that frequently both concepts go side by side (Feldman and Cauffman 1999, Mark et al. 2011). Promiscuity can be understood as the willingness to engage in sexual activities with several partners, have casual sex and get involved in sexual activities sooner rather than later (Jones and Paulhus 2012)

Barta and Kiene (2005), and Feldman and Cauffman (1999) found that individuals that show permissive behaviors, associated with increased number of sexual partners are more prone to engage in infidelity.

In terms of the sexual domain, results showed that there is also a positive correlation between sexual promiscuity and sexual infidelity, stating that individuals that tend to be more sexually promiscuous also tend to be more sexually unfaithful. These results support our second hypothesis.

Pinto, R., & Arantes, J. (2016). The relationship between sexual and emotional promiscuity and infidelity. ATINER’S Conference Paper Series, No. PSY2016–2087, Athens, Greece.

https://repositorium.sdum.uminho.pt/bitstream/1822/38625/1/Ricardo%20Bruno%20Barbosa%20Pinto.pdf

Bandit174 · 2020-12-16T16:12:29+00:00

Why not just marry a guy in your league?

Because even if an average guy marries an average girl she still had far more opportunities to have sex and the guys she hooked up with were probably on average more attractive, more experienced, and more endowed than he is.

Grand_Duty · 2020-12-16T17:06:51+00:00

People don't talk about baby rabies enough. Women want kids most of the time, and good looking tall rich guys can wait a little longer than their avg male counterpoint. Which means she settles and divorces her husband since her oxytocin levels are not depleted, but numb. Which correlates to the sex means nothing to her and why is hubby upset about a dead bedroom.

Men and women may avoid this by prioritizing relationships, which obviously won't happen, but it's their life.

throw-away-1709 · 2020-12-16T18:58:47+00:00

I like young, virging, good looking.

Whats wrong with my preferences?

You can go for old, experienced, wrinkled.

moneygang4life · 2020-12-16T20:08:09+00:00

If im not their first i’m not marrying them period. Irdgaf. Its not fair to me and i’m not dealing with it i’ll just stick to casual sex at that rate.

Sufficient-Ad-3586 · 2020-12-16T21:00:12+00:00

I agree it is hypocritical with someone who has slept around refuses to see someone who has also slept around for that sole reason.

That being said, people should date other people with similar n count. I made a post a few weeks back about unbalanced sexual histories and in almost every single comment involving a different n count relationship, there was insecurity and jealousy from the lower n partner.

TheJim66 · 2020-12-16T15:49:28+00:00

Meanwhile the guys who sleep around would defend the hookup/FWB culture at all costs but at the same time would hypocritically ask for LBC/Virgin girls when it comes to marriage/LTR. Like what?

Like what?Men and women are different.Same way women want men who are taller, stronger and who make more money than them, I want relationships with women who have a low n count even if I myself have a high n. I also want women to be easy to fuck. If a woman wants a relationship out of me, she should follow the low n strategy. If she just wants sex out of me, she can do whatever she wants.

I honestly don't see whats so difficult to understand about all this.

GridReXX · 2020-12-16T17:02:39+00:00

Women who have an n count of 1 would know what bad sex is. She would just assume “sex is blah/bad.”

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OG_walrus · 2020-12-16T17:09:47+00:00

You are assuming men and women are the same in your post. They aren't. When a HBC woman marries a LBC guy it's when they are 30+ and that guy she marries is a "nice" guy. When a HBC guy wants to marry a LBC girl it's because that's what guys want for LTRs (long term relationships).

Women care less about body count compared to men. Women care more if the guy has ever fell in love.

So it's not hyprocritical of a HBC of a guy to want a LBC girl. And women don't care that much about body count.

classicliberal1 · 2020-12-16T22:57:04+00:00

While some shameless hypocrites

How is it shameless hypocrisy for a man to not want a woman who has slept around? Women are free to prefer virgins, but they want a guy with a high body count because of mate pre-selection. Well, mate pre-selection doesn't mean shit to men. What does mean shit to men is paternal certainty, something that women get for free.

It makes no sense for the males of a species to commit to a female, to forgo other mating opportunities, or to provide resources that can be used on himself or to attract other mates in a mating market where the females are mating with other males. We're not descendant from males who didn't get this.

So it's biological. The cost of high male paternal contribution is high male paternal confidence. A man doesn't care about a woman's body count if she's just a pump-n-dump. Since high male paternal confidence and the emotional well being that goes with virgin brides is a thing of the past, so is high male paternal contribution. Marriage is dead because it fundamentally requires monogamy on the part of the female, and serial monogamy is polygamy.

It's not hypocrisy to realize that men and women have different evolutionary, and thus emotional, needs for lifetime partners. Asymmetry is not hypocrisy. It's hypocrisy to disregard your partner's evolutionary needs while insisting on your own. This is exactly what women, nowadays all women, with high body counts are doing.

xFallacyx69 · 2020-12-17T12:58:19+00:00

Nobody cares until miss Chad’s safety snatch tries to become miss “I’m ready to settle down”...

Even then, I don’t care because if she was ever serious enough to want to settle down she’s never shown it in her life and therefore I’m not gonna expect a whole lot out of her...

contreh · 2020-12-26T08:24:53+00:00

What does hbc smv and ltr mean ?

short-cosmonaut · 2020-12-26T12:56:23+00:00

Because economics. Sexual capital is capital. More is more.

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2020-12-16T15:53:54+00:00

Normal guys don’t like hoes. Normal girls don’t care about men hoes. Just how it is

Fuego213 · 2020-12-16T17:41:50+00:00

Not sure what most of the acronyms mean, but personally I only date or pursue women who share my promiscuity and have similar opinions regarding sex positivity.

I’ve found that often times I’m incompatible with women raised in traditionalist backgrounds who lack sexual experience or may be virgins. No knock to them, everyone’s entitled to live how they live, but the vibes just don’t connect. I won’t find any solstice or security in knowing my partner has not been with many or any men, so the trade off of incompatibility for the sake of mental security isn’t worth it.

As for your last point, women’s argument of virgins not knowing better isn’t rooted in relational compromise. The argument is rooted in what we know to be true, men, typically in bad faith, seek less sexually experienced women for the sake of security (source: comments) subjecting said woman who doesn’t know any better to consistent mediocre sex. Almost like creating victims of awful sex.

wtknight · 2020-12-16T16:09:36+00:00

Meanwhile the guys who sleep around would defend the hookup/FWB culture at all costs but at the same time would hypocritically ask for LBC/Virgin girls when it comes to marriage/LTR. Like what?

Sure. They like sex but don't trust the women who have had sex with many different men to be faithful to them when it comes to an LTR or marriage (although TRP advises against the latter). One would think that the logical conclusion is that TRP wants all women to not ride the CC and be low N and LTR seeking, then, but TRP is skeptical about female nature and knows that many women can't resist the "tingles" that high-value men give them, so they categorize women into the ones who can resist their nature and the ones who can't.

Male nature is completely different, so these men don't put the same standards on themselves when it comes to promiscuity.

If sex isn’t everything then very well it shouldn’t be used as a way to defend body counts. So what if she doesn’t ‘know better’ ?

Agreed. All that should matter is that she feels in love with the man. Western culture places too much importance upon sex in a relationship.

Title	Honestly whats all the fuss about Body counts?
Author	Vindicator_
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Date	December 16, 2020 3:37 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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