CMV: Women's SMV is very flexible whilst men's SMV is very rigid.

OutOfOranges · 2021-04-21T17:55:21+00:00

No incel content

Pilling_it · 2021-04-21T14:56:31+00:00

I mean, women go after traits that can't really be changed. Most you can do for that jawline is to lose fat if you are and grow a beard to make it look better. Also getting jacked to some extent. You sure can become the best version of yourself, but there's treshold you'll be stuck in your whole life.

For women... Yeah. Dropping some weight is the level entry and apparently enough of a requirement to do some sorting these days. However, looks aren't gonna get any better relatively over time, but by taking care of herself and her outlook on what she's getting/expecting to, can be pretty happy.

So sure, the smv is unfair to men, but that's what they want the most, and what matters the most to women is rmv (although some tend to mix up both when it suits them...). I think we can talk about either be unfair, but it'll boil down to maths in the end, and I'm not sure what to say but duh.

annabeelongx · 2021-04-21T15:55:28+00:00

Are you kidding me??? Men can literally get confident and gain muscles and money and be the talk of town. We only have a decade.

blaackbackedjackal · 2021-04-21T14:43:18+00:00

I would argue it's literally the exact opposite. Getting jacked, improving style, haircut, etc can raise a man up a ton. Not to mention that looks is less of a factor in determining SMV for men than women, so making more money, having cool hobbies, being successful in things also helps a lot. Women's SMV is almost solely based on her appearance, and because every woman is hyperfocused on how she looks, it's harder to gain an advantage over other girls in that aspect. Most men don't put effort into how they look, so once you do, you instantly stand out.

King_D0ng · 2021-04-21T16:09:02+00:00

I somewhat agree that generally women can increase their attractiveness much easier than men. Imo the vast majority of women can be reasonably attractive if they put in the effort.

While it's definitely harder for men to increase their attractiveness, it's not nearly as bad as you paint it. There's a lot of variance in how much it helps, but looks maxing can vastly improve a man's physical attractiveness. Decreasing bf% and getting a good haircut can occasionally massively improve a man's facial aesthetic. Also male cosmetic facial surgery is a growing industry that will probably blow up this decade as men are realizing the face is the most important physical feature for attracting women.

Also men can increase their attractiveness outside of just looks but that doesn't seem to be the topic of the post.

Shirts_Pants · 2021-04-21T16:37:12+00:00

I guess the compensation here is that SMV for men isn't entirely looks-based, although it's probably more looks-based than a lot of blue-pilled men have been raised to believe.

Hoopy223 · 2021-04-21T17:07:44+00:00

Oh jeez plenty of guys and girls are in the middle and theres enough “flex” involved for everyone.

Most guys and girls can jump a hypothetical point or two by exercising and figuring out a “look” that works for them.

Also by learning the superpower of not giving a fuck.

Now if you want that Beachbody or whatever your favorite workout star looks like then its time for the needle but that is an extreme.

cloudsongs_ · 2021-04-21T17:43:22+00:00

The values you present are sooo subjective. Have you been on r/loseit or any weight loss subreddit? The men who work to lose their weight are incredibly attractive, even the ones who claim to not have reached their target goal.

MyDogLovesCorn · 2021-04-21T15:00:15+00:00

This is true. As men, we don't have makeup or flattering clothing.

Sid_Insidious · 2021-04-21T15:45:18+00:00

Right, but the "fake SMV" women trump up only get's them treated like "fast food" for higher value men and they end up extremely damaged mentally. Thinking they are entitled to a "Chad-like" partner, and sneering at guffawing at their actual equals, they end up alone with cats drinking boxed wine. And then they rationalize it, thinking that "it was better to be alone than settle". And there they will sit, at the part, being that "amazing auntie" watching the other people's kids play and thinking "YEAH! FUCK PATRIARCHY! I DIDN'T SETTLE FOR NO AVERAGE SCHLUMP!"

Says the lonely, old average schlump. Awesome auntie. Amazing friends. Amazing life. Looks like a beat up bag of shit at the park though.

Humans show very strong resistance to looking at their own narcissism.

toasterchild · 2021-04-21T14:49:57+00:00

I think a lot of men just have really generic, boring taste so they miss a lot of the options that would boost them up. Most would probably get a bigger boost from some sort of life coaching/ confidence training than anything. Yes we can tell by your very boring pictures that you're very boring, even if you travel a lot.

funlightmandarin · 2021-04-21T15:52:22+00:00

That's what you get when historically the cost of reproduction was unequal.

A man could masturbate into a woman with no cost and a woman would be stuck with the resulting child after a 9 month pregnancy. Makes sense that the sexual marked would be unfair, innit.

It takes some time to change biological imperatives brought on by thousands of years of evolution.

NarniaFox · 2021-04-21T14:43:34+00:00

Think about it. A 3-4 SMV woman can boost up to 5-6 just by "looksmaxing". This could be losing weight or going into plastic surgeries. I'm not even going to talk about makeup.

And men can't lose weight or do a surgery. Men also can wear insoles and quick google search tells that they can increase one's height between 1 to 2 inches.

Now, about men's SMV. There are certain universal traits that make men "attractive" to women, BUT 90% of them are genetic. This could be height, frame, jawline, facial symmetry etc.

...and women's facial features and body aren't tied to genetic. Like at all. We're all metamorphomags that can change their appearance by a whim. Or plastic surgeries are somehow less dangerous and expensive for us. Sure.

thatguyfromrichmond · 2021-04-21T15:29:34+00:00

Yeah you’re just wrong and I’m a huge proponent of how height is king is men looks. A haircut + gym maxing + dressing well fitting (aka what you wear doesn’t matter as much as it fitting well on you) can raise a man’s Mac by like 2-3 points. Men’s smv just starts much lower on average before looks maxxing but I’d say both move up about the same

SonicBackScratcher · 2021-04-21T15:03:57+00:00

Women have SMV

Men have RMV.

As a fucktoy I'm a 6, as a relationship I'm a 9 or 10.

Its not the "sexual market" its the "casual sex hook up" market. Normal people who don't just want to fuck everything and have other goals in life don't worry about it.

renfsu · 2021-04-21T15:43:05+00:00

I disagree. Women want a good looking man, but looks aren't everything to them like it is to us. You can be ugly and do well with women. No, you won't get the hottest girls but you can still slay if your standards aren't too high. Women are more likely to commit so he'd be able to get relationships as well. While an ugly woman will probably get laid if she has a nice body, and even that isn't required, but she'd probably have a harder time getting a relationship.

I'd argue that women's smv is more rigid because it's overwhelmingly based on their looks. Yes she can put on makeup but she has to take it off at night. Why date a girl that's hot with makeup and ugly at home without it? While there's more flexibility as a man. Plus you have to "earn" your smv as a man which is more in your control vs a woman's that's given to her based on her genetics. Just because it takes more effort doesn't mean you're doomed.

-Ivar-TheBoneless · 2021-04-21T17:36:05+00:00

It's literally the complete opposite. Chicks literally just have their looks, reputation and just not is total bitach. Men have a million things they can do to raise their SMV.

People that think chicks have all the advantages aren't looking at the bigger picture. The chicks are quickly losing their SMV while men are building up their SMV slowly over time, if you are doing what you're supposed to be doing anyway. Not to mention that when the women lose their SMV advantage they don't really have the knowledge on how the SMP works.

GGMcThroway · 2021-04-21T16:07:34+00:00

Men can get flattering clothes, a fitting haircut, and a good skincare routine. Men can lose weight and take care of their hygiene. Men can develop charisma and become very good at holding conversations. Hell, men can even use makeup to cover up blemishes and contour their face.

These things are definitely going to shoot you up a few points if you didn't do them before.

LavenderMechanism · 2021-04-21T14:56:07+00:00

Men struggle on the sexual market because they lack the requisite social skills to attract a woman.

2021-04-21T14:51:03+00:00

Have you actually every raised your 'SMV'? Last year of high school, I just ditched my glasses for contact lenses and got a haircut and my SMV improved at least by 2 points, just from that

Infernir · 2021-04-21T14:52:29+00:00

Ignorant perspective. Men's SMV isn't solely on looks. There's countless categories men have whereas for a large percentage of men a woman's appereance is the sole thing they judge her off of.

A man who is insecure about appearances and judges all his worth on them is no true man, has lost touch with his masculinity or never found it in the first place. He's insecure, low self esteem, weaker than all other men regardless of how they look. And even if he had a perfect flawless appereance he would probably still have new issues or not know how to handle women when they behave in ways he doesn't like.

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helloworld57852 · 2021-04-21T15:09:22+00:00

Neither are very flexible, but the relative female SMV threshold in order to have a fulfilling sexual-relationship is not high.

FreierSteinkopf · 2021-04-21T15:20:03+00:00

Kind of true but not really. You can't influence height if you are already grown and were destined to be small however frame can be changed if you aren't fully developed through sports, higher T levels and you can make yourself look bigger by building muscle especially in the delt area.

Dick size is changable too to some degree. If you missed out on testosteron during you developing years you are likely to have a small penis. Penis extender are more effective if you have a smaller penis and can gain an inch if you are underdeveloped. Other methods like jelqing are efficte too but you have to keep it up.

For a good jawline make sure you eat food thats harder to chew like beef jerky to train your masseter. Also loose body fat and train good oral posture.

Facial symmetry is the one you have least influence of but can hide it a bit by changing your hair or try to train your facial muscles into certain positions that make you look better. I look better when I flex the muscles on my forehead - better eye area.

But the message is still true. Women have more and better options to look prettier.

nemma88 · 2021-04-21T17:54:30+00:00

Money and power propel men far above their looks match, 4s can swim in 10's if they have enough of each.

Guapscotch · 2021-04-21T16:33:38+00:00

I think lots of men severely underestimate how much good grooming and physical activity can do for them.

If you put on a good amount of muscle mass, get a nice haircut, take care of your facial hair or freshly shave, wear decent clothes and smell nice, you are substantially improving your situation. Lots of men underestimate this and frankly, lots of dudes just look like shit and don't take care of themselves. Men to a degree like to hold the appearance of women they are romantically interested in to a higher standard, and I 100% guarantee you women expect the same of the men they are romantically involved in.

Long story short for any of the dudes tuning in, don't make excuses like you don't have the time or the genetics or blah blah blah. Lots of women don't look super amazing bare anyway, but what is attractive is that they take care of themselves and take care of their appearance because they want to, you should do the same if you want more success in your dating life, not only that but for your personal self as well. Live healthier, live better, be better for yourself, but don't walk around like a fucking goblin entitled to women's attention. Let's get real bro.

ThenIJizzedInMyPants · 2021-04-21T16:52:24+00:00

Seems like money and social proof are the biggest SMV raisers for men - if enough other girls want a man (or even that perception exists), or if the man has enough money, and you see short/ugly/fat/etc. guys banging beautiful ladies

GrandRub · 2021-04-21T17:22:36+00:00

if a man isnt a dwarf he can do a lot... working out/having confidence does a lot more than "+0.5"

Title	CMV: Women's SMV is very flexible whilst men's SMV is very rigid.
Author	maybeathrowaway85
Upvotes	12
Comments	136
Date	April 21, 2021 2:32 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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