Female escort who accused an innocent police officer she had never met of raping her in revenge for arresting her ex-husband over drugs offences case is jailed for two years.

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Fuck that's horrific. How can women read something like that and not empathize? Imagine yourself having dinner with your family and getting arrested for something you had nothing to do with. And worse, for a crime that will engender hatred and scorn that will separate you from your loved ones and friends. Your career is ruined. That will destroy a persons life forever.

I'm not saying rape isn't hard to overcome but the crime of rape lasts a few minutes. This one keeps going on and on for as long as the liar chooses to keep lying. It's like being raped over and over every day.

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Do you really think they represent any real group of people?

In Canada, feminists are trying to make it more difficult for men accused of rape to introduce exculpatory evidence like text messages and emails. The bill (C-51) was introduced after media personality Jian Ghomeshi was proved innocent of rape through text messages and emails revealing that his accusers were conspiring to frame him. The bill will most likely pass.

Feminists are also trying to make "enthusiastic consent" the law. It will literally make every man a rapist, since it requires that he obtain "explicit verbal permission" for every stage of a sexual encounter (no one has sex that way). Feminists make puritans and Islamic extremists look like wild sexual libertines.

Make no mistake, the feminist movement has gone completely off the rails -- and they have an enormous amount of power.

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In Canada, feminists are trying to make it more difficult for men accused of rape to introduce exculpatory evidence like text messages and emails. The bill (C-51)

As far as I can tell, the bill is only closing a loophole of the current law.

The current law being that you can't use prior sexual history, unrelated to sexual act for which consent is disputed (including further sexual acts with the accused), to suggest that the accuser was more likely to consent or to doubt the claim of the accuser -- such as suggesting they are a slut so "of course they wanted it, despite what the accuser claims". You may disagree with the current law (rightfully, I think, at minimum further sexual acts with the accused ought to be evidence) that it is prejudicial against the accused, but as far as I can tell C-51 only closes a loophole that allowed you to make the same argument with regard to sexts.

It does bother me that this comes so soon after the Ghomeshi case, but in that case I think the texts and stuff were relevant to the act at hand so they would have been allowed regardless.

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The Obama administration—at the behest of feminist organizations and then lauded for it by most feminists—wrote the OCR letter that stripped college students accused of sexual assault of their due process protections in Title IX investigations. This is still being hailed as a good move by mainstream feminists, and they are livid DeVos rescinded those regulations.

Moreover, the whole strategy of feminists today on the topic of sexual assault is to create avenues by which accusers can bypass the criminal justice system. They're doing this out of frustration, because sexual assault is very hard to prove in court, due to the frequent lack of evidence and witnesses. The next best thing is ruining their accuseds' reputations and careers ("social justice"). It's an appeal to mob rule. This is all very mainstream.

Then there's the whole "toxic masculinity" craze. Feminists are using this term to blame all sorts of societal ills, from rape to mass shootings, on men. They defend it as a move to "help" men by freeing them of the effects of patriarchy on their gender, but if you look at the rhetoric surrounding it, it becomes patently clear this isn't about helping men, but criticizing them for the harm women suffer from some men in society. It's just another form of labeling men the enemy in a "polite" way, which feminism has been doing since it's inception. Feminists point to nuggets of truth within their rhetoric (e.g. the traditional male gender role discourages men from complaining about domestic violence, rape, depression, etc), but this is all really just a cloak for emotion-driven misandry.

I don't believe feminists are bad people though; I think they sincerely believe their own bullshit. If you understand how the psychological defense of rationalization works, then you should understand how this is entirely plausible. We all do this to a certain extent—convince ourselves that our actions and opinions, which are really based more on feelings than thought, stem from a considered, logical thought process. Women have plenty of cause to be angry about their treatment in society, both past and present, but feminists are steeped in those feelings, and thus risk being biased by them.

The same goes for MRAs, of course. The problem is that feminism is a huge movement at this point, and it has gone largely unchallenged as the sole creator of modern narratives about gender. That lack of criticism creates false confidence in the validity of feminist ideas—among both feminists and mainstream society. The reason I support the MRM isn't because I think it will be any better than feminism—I'm certain it won't be, in fact; I support it, because I think feminism needs an equally influential counter-movement to keep it in check.

TL/DR: Mainstream feminism is absolutely biased against men (misandrist), and the MRM aims to balance the scales, by giving men a voice in the gender debate.

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We should kill them off.

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Nope. Empathy means you can feel what other people feel. If you see someone stub their toe you might say 'ouch'. There are special mirror neurons in your brain that process information about others around you and recreate the emotions and feelings those people feel, but in your own brain.

When you can feel someone's pain it makes you feel pain and you want to stop that pain and so you try to help the other person to stop their pain in order to stop your pain.

A psychopath has no empathy. He literally doesn't feel pain when he sees someone else in pain. This means he can hurt others without emotional blowback. He might choose not to hurt others. Psychopath doesn't mean you wish to hurt others. It just means you can do so without the problems other people experience. And since hurting others is a good way to get ahead, lacking the controls that other people have, psychopaths usually end up hurting others one way or another.

A psychopath is not inherently evil or manipulative. He doesn't enjoy hurting others. He just cant feel your pain as his own. Then, subject to the same desires and temptations that others feel, he may act on them in such a way that hurts others. A normal person will still desire to hurt another to get ahead, but often chooses not to simply to avoid the empathic pain he will experience.

Of course many normal people learn to supress their normal empathy. And there are also mental processes that supress empathy for the out group or strangers and foreigners.

PS: Women seem to have less empathy for strangers, or other races or genders. They have far greater in group preference than men do regarding their race their nation and their gender. They also lack any empathy for any male other than their own sons.

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Fuck that's horrific. How can women read something like that and not empathize

Some of them are depraved and have deep seeded emotional issues. My guess is a lot of them have daddy issues. They bought in hook line and sinker that all men are these aggressive pervasive sexual deviants. Then many of them further ingrained their thoughts by indoctrination at their universities, listening to dribble from extremist nut cases in groups who basically convince them that they are always a target from these vial men who will do anything and everything to get their pussy.

They have figured out how to dehumanize men the same way that many other groups have been dehumanized over the years. That takes away the empathy. Men are now nothing more than objects to their oppression. They can scapegoat all of their life problems by making it men's fault. Then when when someone does get falsely accused they will probably justify it by saying something like, "well he probably deserved it anyway."

The only ones who will get empathy is if any of them who have higher IQ wake up one day and realize they are to blame for their own issues. Or enough of this will happen to their own family members. At some point some of these feminists will have a son who will possibly be falsely accused and will then realize maybe the who idea of bitches like Lindin are not so cool after all.

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That's why I acknowledged that rape is hard to overcome right there in my post.

And when trying to overcome the crime, women get all kinds of love and support from the community. Men accused of rape get the polar opposite. Even if the charge is proved to be fraudulent the world shrugs its shoulders and says "oh well, gotta break a few eggs, you know".

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As I pointed out, my specific issue is with the second part of that sentence "but the crime of rape lasts a few minutes". The rest of your comment doesn't match the sentiment of your reply in regards to difficulties in overcoming rape. Tagging it before the word "but" makes it come across glibly.

I agree with the second part of your next paragraph in reply even if it does paint broad brush strokes. Vindicating an individual of the crime of rape/harrassment does not necessarily draw a line under the issue. Reputational damage and damage to the individual often supercede the presumable relief of being proven not guilty. I personally welcome the gradual but imminent changes to the law that allow false accusers to be imprisoned and hope that the prison sentences dished out continue to grow in length. To echo your sentiment, Emily Lindin's recent comments on false accusations rile me up in particular:

"The benefit of all of us getting to finally tell the truth + the impact on victims FAR outweigh the loss of any one man’s reputation... If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay."

I do, however, disagree to an extent with your reply about "women get all kinds of love and support from the community". In that regard I believe that support is very much arguably there. Just look at the amount of resources available in regards to counselling, therapy, and medical resources. In the UK where I'm based these are all accessible privately or for free through public funding. I hope that the beginnings to male support continue to grow likewise. To suggest that women get all kinds of love from the community would again be erroneous as it does not legitimise the instances where this is not the case. For example, where an individual is disowned by their family, not believed, or convinced that they were not infact raped etc. etc.

In reality I guess that the point I'm trying to get across is that it's not as black and white as your comments suggest. Personally I aim for as true an equality as can be achieved, thus my interest in MGTOW etc. I'd like for support to be available to both sexes in equal amounts following on from rape. I'd also like tougher sentences to be passed on individuals who falsely accuse people of crimes. I also hope that support options be established for individuals falsely accused of crimes such as this one too.

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so all you have to do is prove all men are rapists is to look at the news papers? that is your logic, you see crazy women everywhere so all women are crazy, maybe you just expose your self to the media that shows you many crazy women

the same thing going on as the women who think all men are rapists, a shit show of stupidity and cognitive bias combined with self esteem issues and an eco chamber shouting at you

"All you have to do is look at the social media posts" so please tell me you have read the social media posts of the majority of women and not just the women who actually post on social media, BTW not even the majority of the world uses social media not even half of the world is not it https://www.statista.com/statistics/278414/number-of-worldwide-social-network-users/

"MRAs wouldn’t have to fight as hard as they do to get their message out and get things changed" also if we could stop generelizing all women as one group maybe that would also help,

"quite lacking in the empathy department. " you are generalising the majority of a sex as lacking empathy, maybe its you? you see 1000s of stories about false rape allegations but that is 100s of people out of over 7billion so 3.5billion women that at least 51% of them lack empathy? maybe they are just people like us

"if all women were as empathetic as society says they were." are you sure you are not just a little resentful that women are not magical unicorns that are always going to love you with out you putting in any effort?

and the worst part is you are being upvoted, people will see that and think the mras as a whole belieive that shit, you even changed your wording "to see that a large chunk of the current generation of females" why not call it what it is? a group of bad people who are by no means the majority, they are a sub group of a sub group and not even a major one at that

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Those are actions, not words. There is no string of words, to my knowledge, that a man can say to law enforcement that will destroy a woman’s future as quickly and thoroughly as when a woman calls law enforcement and says “So-and-so raped me”.

Even the woman in this news article (unless I’ve misread the article) has only been sentenced to 2 years in jail, which usually translates to roughly 3-6 months behind bars before being paroled for good behavior. Had this police detective not been able to clear his name, he would likely have been sentenced to anywhere between 8 years and a life sentence ( per the Crown Prosecution Services Rape and Sexual Offenses guidelines, Chapter 19- Sentencing). His wife would have left him, taking everything. Assuming British prison culture is similar to that of the US, he could expect to be beaten, tortured, and raped by his fellow inmates, not just for being a convicted rapist, but a former cop as well. And once he was out (assuming he ever got out), it’s unlikely he’d ever find work again.

Even now, with his name having been cleared, and media trumpeting that he didn’t do anything (which rarely happens for those men that are found innocent at trial), he’s still gonna have people who whisper behind his back, “Look, it’s that cop who was accused of rape.” Still think a man can destroy a woman’s life, with words, mind you, as badly as the woman in this article tried to do to this police detective?

Edit: added a word.

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You are right. I should have said "how can a woman" rather than "women"

I'm referencing the few, but vocal, women who say they're willing to wrongly accuse a few men to overcome patriarchy. It would be easier to separate the two if the wacky ones were universally shouted down when they say crazy stuff like that. But generally their position is considered a valid, if somewhat radical, version of what the feminist groups want.

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It doesn't really seem like you're talking to me, you're arguing against points I've never made.

It's still not a good approach. Anyone who's willing to sacrifice the innocent for their cause really needs to re-think how they're approaching it. "The end justifies the means" is no justification at all, just an excuse for terrible behavior in the name of an ideal.

Where did I say anything about sacrificing anyone? Where did I say anything about it being an "approach"?

All you're doing is making things up and then arguing against them. You're welcome to do that, but don't attribute them to me, that's called putting words in someone's mouth.

It's still not a good approach.

I am not nor have I ever stated that this is a good or bad approach. In fact it's not even an approach, it's just reality, a lot of the time it takes somebody in power to get mud on their boots before they start looking at a problem more seriously.

It's not even people in power actually, it's a basic human condition to not usually bother with something until it gets really serious.

In case you missed it the first time, what you're saying, I never said. Don't attribute your opinions to me. If you want to have a conversation with yourself, then reply to yourself.

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Keep accusing everyone and eventually you'll accuse somebody that can get shit done

Here's your full statement

Keep accusing everyone...

And here's the part we're discussing. That sounds a lot like it includes innocents. I don't know if you've been paying attention on this sub, but there are a lot of innocent guys who get accused of rape or sexual harassment or some other bullshit and they pay the price. Accusing everyone means you're accusing innocents.

Where did I say anything about it being an "approach"?

From Merriam-Webster's dictionary: approach (noun): the taking of preliminary steps toward a particular purpose

You don't have to use the word "approach" for what you're suggesting to be an "approach" to the situation at hand. Any kind of solution idea is an approach to the problem, regardless of what you want to call it.

I am not nor have I ever stated that this is a good or bad approach.

Then why the fuck are you still arguing for it? As I said before, we currently have senators who have been accused of rape or sexual harassment. Do the names "Al Franken" or "Roy Moore" ring any bells? Why don't you go through this list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States#2010%E2%80%932017.

I don't know what your definition of "really serious" is, but I'd say it's gotten serious. When we have people in power who are accused of rape (and some of them probably actually did it!), we really need to take a look at what's going on. We're in the middle of a rash of accusations of sexual harassment in the entertainment industry, and half the country cares about their favorite actors more than their state politics. Hell, even the president is mocked for some of his sexually derogatory language. I'd say that we've reached as far up as possible, so I don't know what you want.

Edited for clarity.

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Here's your full statement
Keep accusing everyone... 

No, the "full statement" is the complete sentence.

Taking 3 words out of context and making up your own ideas about what I said is just outright lying. You are lying about my statements and then arguing against your own lies.

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She is a hooker.
She made this accusation as she was being arrested, and as she was shouting racist insults at the officers arresting her.
Later states she made it up, but then would not sign a statement one way or the other that she was raped, or she made it up.

So what do they do? Automatically believe the woman (hooker) as she says something between hurling racist remarks at officers, as she is being arrested, over the man (police officer)? Turn the guy's life upside down where he almost loses everything, his family, his job, probably his life would have been next. I bet that guy though about ending it, I know I would have in that situation.

While being restrained, she hurled racist abuse at a Sikh woman officer and a white male officer.

She then shouted out the untrue rape claim naming the detective - who was not present - as having raped her the previous night at the hotel.

Khan later said at the police station: 'I made it up, there, I made it up.'

However, she would not make a statement nor sign an officer's notebook confirming that her claim was untrue.

The judge said the force had no alternative but to investigate the claim, especially when the defendant was again spoken to and denied fabricating the rape allegation, saying she was just 'being sarcastic'.

Khan, of Blackfriars Road, Salford, Manchester, but formerly of Leicester, also admitted two counts of racial harassment towards two arresting police officers, by making vile and insulting racist comments.

There were no charges in relation to her having assaulted anyone at the hotel.

The court heard that Khan had two previous convictions for incidents of racially abusing police officers.

The defendant, who has formerly been a project worker helping ex-offenders in Birmingham and has been employed by Women's Aid in Manchester, sobbed in the dock while her barrister, Dharmendra Toor, gave evidence in her defence.

Mr Toor said: 'She's led a traumatic life. She's utterly remorseful.'

Believe a person automatically based on their gender, doesn't matter if your character is shit.

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If the accused really is the aggresor in a violent crime, it's more beneficial that people know who they are. If we create a layer of anonymity for the accused (depending on the level of anonymity), they could cause more damage on an unaware society. If they are genuinely innocent, it sucks but it risks harm to hide them from the spotlight. And it's not all bad, as they gain exposure which could help strengthen the case with more evidence brought forward from those who only know them by name or by appearance.

For the potential victim it does a number of useful things, like protect them from backlash and attacks from supporters of the accused. It's trickier if they are found to be dishonest, because you do not want to put them in undue danger just for being dishonest, and it's difficult to balance that with protecting others from their unbalanced behavior.

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If the accused really is the aggresor in a violent crime

That can only be determined after the trial. Up until the veredict happens, anonymity for this type of accusation should be maintained.

If we create a layer of anonymity for the accused

In a society that punishes a man for the simple fact of being accused, every layer of anonymity should exist.

If they are genuinely innocent, it sucks but it risks harm to hide them from the spotlight

It “sucks”??? There was a feminist moron that one day wrote the same bullshit.

“Yeah it sucks that a man might lose his job and his wife might divorce him and his children bullied because their father is a rapist”.

Not her exact words, but apparently having your life ruined simply ”sucks”.

To everyone who thinks like this I say: I hope one day it happens to you, while you are innocent. So you really know how much it “sucks”.

because you do not want to put them in undue danger just for being dishonest

So it is ok to put accused people in undue danger for maybe nothing... but not ok to put false accusers in undue danger even after it has been proven they ruined a person’s life with their lies.

Your bias is showing really, really hard here.

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