Not sure if it was him or a different WWE wrestler but either she said she broke up with one because the sex was too atheletic. Not sure what that means.
Isn't this the opposite of what we want? Don't we want to use her example to show that this kind of thing isn't rape no matter whether or not one of the participants is male?
He was too drunk to give consent to what? You seem to think that people should be walking around with breathalyzers testing anyone they have a conversation with.
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Right before I left for college, I was running my high school. ... People knew me. They liked me. ... Then I got to college in Maryland. ... All of a sudden, being witty and charismatic didn't mean shit. ... I was getting no male attention, and I'm embarrassed to say, it was killing me.
But one guy paid me some attention — Matt. Matt was six feet tall, he looked like a grown-up von Trapp child, and he was five years older than me. ... I made him laugh in our bio lab, and I could tell a couple times that we had a vibe. ... I wanted him to call. He never called. But then finally, he called.
It was 8 a.m., my dorm room phone rang. "Amy, wassup? It's Matt. Come over." ... I ran right over to his place, ready for our day together. ... Knock-knock. Ring ring. Where is he?
Finally, the door opens. It's Matt, but not really. He's there, but not really. ... He's fucking wasted. I'm not the first person he thought of that morning. I'm the last person he called that night. I wonder, how many girls didn't answer before he got to fat freshman me? Am I in his phone as Schumer? Probably. But I was here, and I wanted to be held and touched and felt desired, despite everything. I wanted to be with him. I imagined us on campus together, holding hands, proving, "Look! I am lovable! And this cool older guy likes me!" I can't be the troll doll I'm afraid I've become.
He put on some music, and we got in bed. As that sexy maneuver where the guy pushes you on the bed, you know, like, "I'm taking the wheel on this one. Now I'm going to blow your mind," which is almost never followed up with anything. He smelled like skunk microwaved with cheeseburgers, which I planned on finding and eating in the bathroom, as soon as he was asleep. We tried kissing. His 9 a.m. shadow was scratching my face — I knew it'd look like I had fruit-punch mouth for days after. His alcohol-swollen mouth, I felt like I was being tongued by someone who had just been given Novocain. I felt faceless, and nameless. I was just a warm body, and I was freezing cold. His fingers poked inside me like they had lost their keys in there. And then came the sex, and I use that word very loosely. His penis was so soft, it felt like one of those de-stress things that slips from your hand? So he was pushing aggressively into my thigh, and during this failed penetration, I looked around the room to try and distract myself or God willing, disassociate. ...
He started to go down on me. That's ambitious, I think. Is it still considered getting head if the guy falls asleep every three seconds and moves his tongue like an elderly person eating their last oatmeal? Chelsea? Is it? Yes? It is. I want to scream for myself, "Get out of here, Amy. You are beautiful, you are smart, and worth more than this. This is not where you stay." I feel like Fantine and Cosette and every fucking sad French woman from Les Miz. And whoever that cat was who sang "Memories," what was that musical? Suze Orman just goes, "Cats." The only wetness between my legs is from his drool, because he's now sleeping and snoring into me. I sigh, I hear my own heartbreak, I fight back my own tears, and then I notice a change in the music. Is this just a bagpipe solo? I shake him awake. "Matt, what is this? The Braveheart soundtrack? Can you put something else on, please?" He wakes up grumpily, falls to the floor, and crawls. I look at his exposed butt crack, a dark, unkempt abyss that I was falling into. I felt paralyzed. His asshole is a canyon, and this was my 127 Hours. I might chew my arm off.
I could feel I was losing myself to this girl in this bed. He stood up and put a new CD on. "Darling, you send me, I know you send me, honest, you do ..." I'm thinking, "What is this?" He crawled back into bed, and tried to mash at this point his third ball into my vagina. On his fourth thrust, he gave up and fell asleep on my breast. His head was heavy and his breath was so sour, I had to turn my head so my eyes didn't water.
Then she figures out she's worth more than this drunken fumble and leaves.
Yeah, that's one of the big issues I have with intoxication and consent. You can consent while drunk. Being drunk doesn't invalidate your actions or desires, it just makes you a bit more clumsy and likely to do things you'll regret. Your consent may not stand up in a court of law but at a personal level, it is still consent.
We're at this place regarding consent and alcohol because it is important that a rape which occurs while the victim is intoxicated be prosecutable, and their intoxication makes them vulnerable at the time as well as an unreliable witness in their own defence. But it results in this absurd situation where two consenting intoxicated adults are technically raping each other, and if the woman complains, the man is screwed.
So now we're in a situation where we're calling Schumer a rapist for letting a drunk man ineptly try and sleep with her out of a sense of equality when the whole situation is ridiculous to begin with.
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Not sure if it was him or a different WWE wrestler but either she said she broke up with one because the sex was too atheletic. Not sure what that means.
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PTSD for what, she just had sex with him. not like he back from war.
*men like you the reason why people no longer respect men.
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Isn't this the opposite of what we want? Don't we want to use her example to show that this kind of thing isn't rape no matter whether or not one of the participants is male?
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He was too drunk to give consent to what? You seem to think that people should be walking around with breathalyzers testing anyone they have a conversation with.
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dude, its not like she tortured him or scared him, he was unconscious, so didn't suffer anything.
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The bar can always be set lower.
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Transcript of the speech she gave, referencing the event
I've edited the relevant portion to cut out the extraneous narration
Then she figures out she's worth more than this drunken fumble and leaves.
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Yeah, that's one of the big issues I have with intoxication and consent. You can consent while drunk. Being drunk doesn't invalidate your actions or desires, it just makes you a bit more clumsy and likely to do things you'll regret. Your consent may not stand up in a court of law but at a personal level, it is still consent.
We're at this place regarding consent and alcohol because it is important that a rape which occurs while the victim is intoxicated be prosecutable, and their intoxication makes them vulnerable at the time as well as an unreliable witness in their own defence. But it results in this absurd situation where two consenting intoxicated adults are technically raping each other, and if the woman complains, the man is screwed.
So now we're in a situation where we're calling Schumer a rapist for letting a drunk man ineptly try and sleep with her out of a sense of equality when the whole situation is ridiculous to begin with.
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