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[–]kinguniaFDS Newbie[S] 453 points454 points455 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The whole interview is really interesting: „(Interviewer: How should we improve the production conditions of pornography?)
By eliminating degradation of women, that would improve it. Just like child abuse, you don’t want to make it better child abuse, you want to stop child abuse.” ❤️
[–]BovvsetteFDS Disciple242 points243 points244 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What a smart and well-spoken man, you can tell that his brain is NOT fried, smoothened and zombified by staring at pornography all day. Which is rare these days, a clear and sharp mind with strong values and putting money where his mouth is.
Most men would defend porn, or see it as no big deal, since all that matters to them is ”muh penis”, and for some reason it should for everyone else too. To the point of other people risking life, being abused, and living a miserable experience to arouse him for two minutes before his barely functional due to death-grip dick demands something even more saturated and abusive. It's messed up.
[–]Unlikely-MarzipanRuthless Strategist116 points117 points118 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is so true. People these days are getting less critical in their thinking, and I really think it’s to do with porn and social media. I mean, I know that studies on porn show that it changes the brain, and I also think social media in addition to this compounds it. We literally have a zombified society. Even on the internet in general, it’s harder to find critique of anything besides the mainstream opinions (on anything, but in particular women’s rights and differences between males and females etc.) because the internet is filled with these zombies touting their opinions and drowning out any critical thought. I really want to go back to uni to study this.
[–]terrn1981FDS Newbie51 points52 points53 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. There is a lot of silencing of women. Feminism is back tracking.
[–]Summerisle7FDS Disciple44 points45 points46 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Interviewer: How should we improve the production conditions of pornography?
What a stupid fucking question.
I LOVE Noam Chomsky.
[–]EntireTadpoleFDS Newbie13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too! I am so happy to see him here.
[–]ahoi_aloha24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you have a link? Would love to read in full :)
[–]kinguniaFDS Newbie[S] 46 points47 points48 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here’s a video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlRoaFTHuE
And as a text: https://www.google.no/amp/s/antipornfeminists.wordpress.com/2016/01/22/noam-chomsky-on-pornography/amp/
[–]PasdepromessesFDS Disciple148 points149 points150 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is very well put. I saved immediately.
He rightfully called it out for what it is: a problem. Instead of defending the degradation of women, they should seek help if this is the only way for them to get off.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I saved it too. Everything he said is so on point, there’s like nothing else to say.
[–]Cattery10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, imagine how much more fulfilling personal relationships could be without exposure to pornography
[–]dzgataFDS Disciple145 points146 points147 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
I love Noam Chomsky. He speaks the truth about so many issues.
[–]cryptohoboFDS Newbie46 points47 points48 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Any recommendations or resources on how to start reading his work? I really appreciate his intellect but want to better understand it as some things go over my head.
[–]bpoloanaFDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
His best known book is Manufacturing Consent, it's a super interesting read about how media in general affects the way people view politics and morals or even perceive the world. He also has many great anti war books explaining why rich people are so interested in manufacturing conflicts and wars. I haven't read any books about women from him but I would love to if he had one because every time he is asked in interviews about feminism or women issues he comes through
[–]cryptohoboFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you!!
[–]yokoonoyesFDS Newbie39 points40 points41 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m a big fan of his. Studied him and his views a lot in college!
[–]ayhtdws1989FDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
his wife is 57 while he is 91,isthis weird?
[–]bpoloanaFDS Newbie14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean when they married she was already in her fifties. Age difference is weird and condemnable when there is a power imbalance, since younger women can be preyed on and gaslighted more easily. I don't think there is a lot about life and relationships that a woman in her fifties didn't know about for her to be preyed on in the same way a young woman would be
[–]bluebird_wingsFDS Newbie37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
He married a woman in her 50s, not someone younger than 25.
And it followed the dating age rule (age divided by 2 plus 7).
Seems ok.
[–]ayhtdws1989FDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
the dating age rule (age divided by 2 plus 7).
is this fds approved?
[–]hopewingsFDS Apprentice21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I personally don't like the rule, especially for younger ages. But my opinion is that usually after the woman has reached mid-30s to 40 it's okay. Not surprisingly, this is also around the age that people say women hit the "wall." Of course, she's wiser in the ways of the world and would not pass for a child, so pedos don't want her.
[–]ayhtdws1989FDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly for younger ages it makes zero sense. Because we all know how age gap relationships are and the nen who do them .
[–]bluebird_wingsFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not sure, but it seems ok if you round up on the odds halved.
16: youngest 15
21: youngest 18
30: youngest 22
40: youngest 27
60: youngest 37
85: youngest 50
Of course, most relationships where the ages are closer together seem more healthy and balanced. There's less possibility of "grooming" or one party being disadvantaged (emotionally/financially/etc...).
It might be healthier if the dating rule is adjusted at 30 as being "age ÷ 1.5 plus 7".
30: youngest 27
40: youngest 33
50: youngest 40
60: youngest 47
[–]ayhtdws1989FDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
just curious
[–]trumpslefttitFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It makes a few weird divides in my opinion.
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Your username 😭😂
[–]trumpslefttitFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
☺️☺️☺️
[–][deleted] 78 points79 points80 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I already thought Noam was one of the most amazing men on the planet. my respect for him just increased amd I didnt even know that was possible.
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[–]MagnfiqueMaleficentFDS Disciple12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Noam is the OG!
[–]rebel4acauseFDS Newbie94 points95 points96 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Whoa, I’m pleasantly surprised that this is his stance on porn... so many leftists that idolize Chomsky are pro-porn so it’s very interesting. I’m shocked.
[–]MoreMochaPleaseFDS Newbie34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This actually very fascinating. I’ve studied Chomsky for a while and didn’t know about his stance on porn. And yes a lot of leftists are very pro “sex worker” and the porn industry.
[–]HamwiseGamgee88FDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've seen this type of leftist say that sex work is no different than flipping burgers.
[–]Salt_SatisfactionFDS Disciple5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's so sad
[–]venus_leeFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually that's liberals. There's a documentary on Netflix called "what the fuck is going on", and it talks about this
[–]MoreMochaPleaseFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another political figure you guys might enjoy learning about and reading on is Chris Hedges. He’s a longtime journalist and political correspondent. He has an anti porn stance and definitely speaks on it a lot. He also speaks up on the extremist evangelical movement as well.
[–]HolaHulaHolaFDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read his books for grad school, and beyond. This man is one of a kind.
[–][deleted] 39 points40 points41 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A strong and decent man, a man with purpose, a man with a plan for his life and his life with the woman by his side does not get distracted by porn, soft or hardcore. He is not going to waste time looking at the photoshopped bodies of women he can not have, or at depictions of sex that are not realistic. A good and decent man will invest in himself and his loved ones. His family, team mates, colleagues, friends, and above all, his woman. A good and decent man will spend the time LVM and NVM spend on porn and other witless pursuits like gaming, on the people and things in his life that truly matter. Good and decent men don’t have time to waste on porn. Their time is not wasted, it’s invested.
[–]notreallyhere123456FDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I once said something similar to my ex - not as eloquently, of course. He got upset at me for “being judgmental.” Then told me I should be thankful for porn as we were about to be long distance (implying that otherwise he’d be cheating on me). Then he cheated on me. And now looking back - what a douche for making me feel like what I was saying wasn’t, at the very least, reasonable.
[–]Annia_CornificiaFDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Check out what my man Chris Hedges has to say about pornography as well. Him and Noam Chomsky are definitely among the great modern day thinkers.
[–]descending_angelFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What bothers me when I read about the porn problem is that they only talk about the violent porn. What about the "regular" vanilla type? I know it's said they progress from that to worse, but if they don't what then? Is that not seen as a problem too to participate in watching even "tame" porn?
[–]Unlikely-MarzipanRuthless Strategist2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea exactly. The violent porn is “more” problematic, but it’s like people act like softcore porn is ok. Really it’s the lesser of two evils. It still objectifies the female body, and studies show exposure to even softcore porn, such as women in bikinis even (that are being sexualised) reduce empathy in viewers, increase acceptance of violence against women, and decrease satisfaction with the looks of real life women.
[–]somegenerichandleFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think i've seen this on r/antipornography anyway, i recommend it for those interested in this topic.
[–]vardebiFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Deeply refreshing and reassuring to see one of the top male lefty intellectuals say this. Maybe are HVM in academia after all?
[–]jeanneeebeanneeeFDS Apprentice11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Noam is the man. One of the most intelligent, reasonable thinkers/academics of our time.
[–]N2GenFDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like Chomsky :)
[–]Lilybb16FDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oh yeah hes right
[–]terrn1981FDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Omg, men like him exist?
[–]Halidetrip5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've never thought of a good comparison that wasnt a false equivalence. What he came up with was perfect
[–]MarsV89FDS Newbie17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
His theories about universal language are a bit crazy in my opinion, but this is 100% right
[–]vardebiFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even Chomsky doesn't completely agree with Chomsky anymore, so I think you're on the right track ;) https://dlc.hypotheses.org/1269
[–]FrostyDetailsFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love this post and where he stands on porn - however I once attended a presentation Chomsky gave on the Gaza crisis at MIT (back in 2011 lol) . He was incredibly hard to understand and spoke in a really low, monotone voice. He was incredibly detailed and specific about the topic. I had somewhat of a hard time understanding anything he was saying (I'm also partially deaf so thats my own issue). I give props to anyone that can actually follow along with his material.
[–]eveninghopeFDS Apprentice19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol yeah I was gonna say as a linguist I disagree with A LOT of Chomsky’s theories but this is spot on.
[–]MoreMochaPleaseFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please do expand on this.
[–]detrimentalhoneyFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I love this and have saved it for the (inevitable) next time in in a debate with a LVM. Amazing!
[–]Summerisle7FDS Disciple17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why debate LVMs tho
[–]detrimentalhoneyFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A very good point. I can't resist shutting them down though.
[–]x3meteorFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
peeerrrioooddd
[–]DadaExperimentFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
💜
[–]ausie_swazi_love1 point2 points3 points 5 years agolocked comment (4 children) | Copy Link
I like Noam. Though women pornstars make a whole lot more than Chinese sweat shops surely
[–]AyemHerselfFDS Disciple6 points7 points8 points 5 years agolocked comment (2 children) | Copy Link
Not the trafficked ones.
[–]ausie_swazi_love0 points1 point2 points 5 years agolocked comment (1 child) | Copy Link
Are they a star then?
[–]AyemHerselfFDS Disciple1 point2 points3 points 5 years agolocked comment (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm making the point that not all women you see in porn are "porn stars." A good chunk are trafficked or coerced.
Anyway, no more trying to whitewash the porn biz in this sub.
[–]Salt_SatisfactionFDS Disciple0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The industry has gotten a lot more competitive. They make far more than if they worked at a sweat shop, but they definitely don't become millionaires (unless they become really famous) even if they worked all their life like people think.
[–]NadaleenatashaFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
AMENNNNN
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The day we lose him will be a sad day all the way around. Who is going to pick up the torch for some of these voices.
[–]ehhmmnopeFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for posting this, I hadn't seen the article before.
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[–]yokoonoyesFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think it’s more so that Chomsky acknowledges that a lot went into play with Venezuela’s economic downfall and the blame shouldn’t solely be placed on socialism (also, socialism is not inherently bad?) I will agree that Chavez is a corrupt leader and I think Chomsky did end their friendship over that. So, I don’t know. I won’t say Chomsky is a high value man because I don’t know the guy, but his general sense of caring for the well being of humanity is certainly a high quality value.
[–]poetfrogFDS Newbie31 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Genuine question, but what’s this fear of socialism that western countries are so afraid of. Especially when basic rights like universal healthcare, free medicine, education, paying a reasonable amount of taxes are all branded as socialist. If caring for my fellow country people/ being a decently empathetic human being is socialist, then I’m proud to be one.
[–]yokoonoyesFDS Newbie-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with this but I do think that socialism is easily corrupted because of those points exactly. Especially by corrupt leaders. I think that’s what’s happening in Venezuela coupled with the oil situation. But people seem to try to use the “socialism is bad” blanket statement for Venezuela’s situation which is just not the case. There is so much more that goes into it than that.
[+]ZoutezeeFDS Newbie-8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
My entire in-law family is Venezuelan. They managed to flee to Europe because the grandmother was smart enough to keep the Spanish nationality. Otherwise they would be stuck there.
They had to leave everything behind and start life all over. During Chavez times they managed because the oil price was high & the country had the money to afford the corruption and handouts but with Maduro that changed.
The grandmother didn't have access to the medicines she needed and would have died. They had to stand in line for hours to buy some flour. The business they built from scratch was "nationalised".
One if their distant relatives had to sell her child to the guerillas to feed herself, another one is currently in critical condition due to a burst appendix that they cannot treat properly.
If Chomsky is so blinded by his love for communism that he is willing to support a corrupt, autoritarian and broken regime (which so far, socialist countries have always ended up as since socialism needs autoritarianism to survive) thrn I cannot respect him
[–]poetfrogFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for sharing your story @zoutezee, my family escaped communism in China too, and I understand your distrust of autocratic regimes. Glad your in laws family was able to escape and I hope they’ve found peace and were able to start again.
What I guess I’m frustrated with, is how the US system is so blatantly and myopically capitalist and self-centered that the thought of progressive policies like universal healthcare is considered socialist and frowned upon.
Autocratic dictators are bad for any regime, just look at the current Cheeto-in-Chief. The government’s role is to serve the people, not a national “oligarch” class which it feels like.
I don’t think socialism needs autocrats to survive - just look at Canada, Australia, New Zealand - whose policies would be considered ‘socialist’ by any stretch of the American imagination. Today, it feels like Rome is burning.
You are completely allowed to feel the way you do towards Chomsky. I’m just saddened by what’s happening in the US.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
The countries you named aren’t socialist. They are largely free market economies with social safety nets. Socialism is when there is no private ownership of the means of production.
[–]poetfrogFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know what socialism is. My point is that community-benefiting policies have been branded as socialist. That’s where I’m coming from.
[–]Charming_Mix7930FDS Newbie-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
That's communism. Socialism is related to social policies, while communidm (in all its branches) is about economics.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
No. Socialism is very much an economic policy and that policy is the abolition of individual private ownership over the means of production.
From the first sentence of Wikipedia's article on Socialism.
"Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production[4][5][6][7] and workers' self-management of enterprises.
While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12] social ownership is the one common element."
[–]Charming_Mix7930FDS Newbie0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
No. That's communism.
Socialism is a political stance about the state looking after the wellbeing of the population.
You are talking about communism.
One starts as a social policy, the other one as an economical one, yet both will have effect outside of the place they started because every single policy does (for example: public school with no need to pay tuitition fee will have an effect on the economy: access to university level education for everyone is a long term socialist policy that is established to help the economy in the future)
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
No I am not. I am talking about the actual dictionary definition of socialism. Once again from the literal first sentence on the Wikipedia article on socialism-
"Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership[1][2][3] of the means of production[4][5][6][7] and workers' self-management of enterprises." [8][9]
"While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism,[12] social ownership is the one common element."
[–]Charming_Mix7930FDS Newbie0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Social ownership, under socialism, means it can be public, collective, cooperative or of equity.
This means private property still exists, it 's just not monopolic.
[–]yokoonoyesFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is awful. I’m sorry your in law family ever experienced that. The corruption happening in Venezuela is devastating for sure. I would die before I ever sold my child for food.
[–]ZoutezeeFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you.
We are not much in contact with her, but I was shocked that those practises even existed! Is seems like the guerrilas purchase young children so that they can raise thrm into being child soldiers
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No idea why anyone would downvote you over sharing your family’s brutal story. There is absolutely zero reason to defend regimes like Venezuela unless you’re actually evil.
[–]somegenerichandleFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm surprised at the downvotes too. I think people must be interpreting that saying that one socialist country is bad, means all of them are or that the system in inherently bad.
[+]SleepymelmoFDS Newbie-8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for sharing this. I’m no republican and the US has a lot of problems but the hard lefts love of socialism in the US is pure ignorance
[–]SalsaxatPickmeisha™️-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If we lived in a world where people were inherently good and decent, socialism could work. But it never does, because humans have corrupt hearts, and having power is the ultimate test of our hearts that we inevitably fail.. having a concentration of power in the hands of wicked people is extremely dangerous. Thats basically the only hang up with it. Its idealistic and we don't live in a utopia unfortunately, although people refuse to acknowledge this fact about humanity.
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