From 2xc...."You did it to yourselves!!"

nlakes · 2011-06-07T23:57:40+00:00

She can't even get her feminist theory correct!

She relegates patriarchs to men, however women of that generation - under feminist theory - are equally culpable by supporting, enabling & even being the 'ruling class' of patriarchs.

Warren Farrell really spells this out the best: We can blame feminism for men getting the short-end of the stick because of the political game feminism has played. It's monopolised gender-discourse and every time men or non-feminists try to voice their concerns through a non-feminist perspective, they're ostracised, marginalised and silenced.

The equality conversation is regulated to be a feminist only perspective, which gives you the level of impartiality & objectivity you would expect if say Rupert Murdoch owned all the media outlets.

Until this feminist monopoly ends, men & women can blame feminism as many inequalities are the fruits of its labours.

rebelcanuck · 2011-06-07T23:05:07+00:00

Wow, the sexism. I thought feminism was about overcoming restrictive gender roles. How silly of me.

bad_keisatsu · 2011-06-08T00:44:26+00:00

Funny how men got the custody of children in a split-up back when the patriarchy was in full swing.

justaverage · 2011-06-07T22:26:06+00:00

Sorry, I suck at the reddits so I couldn't figure out how to permalink the beginning of the thread and have the pertinent response show up directly underneath. Hope everyone can read the png OK.

TheAceOfHearts · 2011-06-08T05:33:48+00:00

I wish she were joking T_T... This just made me sad.

ManThoughts · 2011-06-07T22:35:23+00:00

OMG...victim blaming!!!!!

Oh, wait. I forgot that only applies to drunken sluts without a shred of personal responsibilty. 0_o

justaverage · 2011-06-07T22:45:06+00:00

well shes about 12% right...

2011-06-08T10:48:27+00:00

Feminists don't believe their own shit, it's just a bluff. They get the money, they keep talking crap.

barbadosslim · 2011-06-08T04:31:36+00:00

so someone makes a post about how stereotypical gender roles are a result of the patriarchy and not feminism

that's true even for /r/mensrights isn't it

ignatiusloyola · 2011-06-08T02:09:51+00:00

Once again, Wavevector making a very reasoned, peaceful argument. Once again, someone from 2XC making a very spiteful, ignorant reply.

sigh

fondueguy · 2011-06-08T14:33:41+00:00

Actually the portrayal of men as villains and unsafe for families came largely from feminists. The anti male domestic violence industry is feminist.

And of course there are roots of misandry before feminism, but feminism banks on anti male bias. And worse of feminism wants to blame men for their problems of gender roles when men never determined them alone.

You'd have to be an idiot to think men ever could.

abortifacient · 2011-06-08T15:35:41+00:00

That is beyond retarded.

Every single "victims" group on earth has one "oppressor" they blame for absolutely everything.

Courts favor women in divorce cases because men are styled as the "oppressor," and women vote. In droves.

The result, ladies, is that men are planning for divorce before the marriage even starts. Welcome to the era of the pre-nup, a.k.a. you get nothing because you signed a contract more binding than marriage.

carchamp1 · 2011-06-08T18:31:41+00:00

The poster really has a great point here. We certainly can blame some men for the state of "men's rights". The poster completely misses the gigantic role of feminism for the state of "men's rights", but, at the same time, I get what the poster is saying.

Woozer · 2011-06-08T00:57:03+00:00

Everything she said is correct.

Men, as the dominant group for thousands of years, have written the rules of gender. Men (mostly) are responsible for the fact that compassionate men are frowned upon. Frankly it's pretty pathetic that you think feminism is responsible for your problems. Newsflash: feminism hasn't been around very long, oppressive male gender roles have been around FAR longer. Are you really saying men didn't have any problems 200 years ago, before feminism?

And before you misinterpret me, I'm not blaming individuals for their problems, I'm blaming upholders of patriarchy (men and women) collectively for the problems faced by men.

YHWH_The_Lord · 2011-06-08T00:21:26+00:00

Infighting between men and women is once again preventing us from actually improving things. We need to be worrying about the people, both male and female, with a vested interest in maintaining gender issues as they are. MLK said that all men are created equal. He did not say that my people are equal, but the rest of the races have to work out their own deal.

2011-06-08T13:18:42+00:00

The situation men face today is what we are opposed to, not the one we faced 30 years ago. Today's situation is all about feminism.

Raging_cycle_path · 2011-06-08T09:54:02+00:00

Wow, I'd always thought /r/mensrights was fairly sensible and was unfairly criticised. How wrong I was. You people are nuts, try actually reading the damn post instead of the highlighted sections.

She means feminism in the sense of equality and ability to defy traditional gender roles, not an evil gynocracy taking away our penises. And she means patriarchy in the sense of the gender roles that trap both sexes and are a part of our society, not that you are personally responsible for it.

Wow, last time I come here.

solinv · 2011-06-07T23:13:10+00:00

Wait... Did I totally miss the point or did she just say "women belong in the kitchen and bedroom, not the workplace"?

ClearlyClaire · 2011-06-08T14:09:33+00:00

You know, the whole "women get everything in a divorce" issue is a problem, but it is caused by a few crazy women rather than feminists as a whole. You never hear the "good" divorce stories. My parents divorced when I was 3, and have remained friendly since. I spend half the week at my mother's and half at my father's. My father pays a larger percentage of child support than my mother, but that is directly proportional to their incomes. And in fact, if one parent could be named as the cause of the divorce, it is my father, who has major anger issues that he still hasn't worked through. I know this because I've come face-to-face with them many times. My parents didn't get divorced due to cheating or abuse, just because they fell out of love.

TL;DR: Crazy people cause messy divorces, not feminism.

Il128 · 2011-06-08T03:23:39+00:00

But men are in control. And yet men pass the laws and enforce the laws that make men second class parents. We do, do it to ourselves.

Title	From 2xc...."You did it to yourselves!!"
Author	justaverage
Upvotes	77
Comments	169
Date	June 7, 2011 10:24 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/hu43o/from_2xcyou_did_it_to_yourselves/
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