I don't understand this movement.

bufedad · 2016-04-07T18:40:56+00:00

Why is there so much hate? Why is the hate all I can find?

Depends on what you are calling hate. This is very important, because everything we say is called hate, so differentiating between what might actually be hate, and what's anti-feminism, or anti-gender bias... would be extremely helpful.

Part of this movement is dealing with female privilege

A mother who raped her 1 year old was just sentenced to 8 months house arrest and community service. She did this to record it, and sell it to a pedophile online. She sold the video for $300 and bought a laptop with that money.

She won't have to register as a sex offender.

Or we could talk about MGM, the draft, family courts, custody arrangements, or just about anything.

What precisely do you want to know?

DillipFayKick · 2016-04-07T18:57:18+00:00

Not sure if you are trolling or not, but I'll give it a go anyway.

First I'll start by saying that the anger and hate you see is probably because of the fact that this movement is so much less socially acceptable than feminism. So for a man to be driven here, something pretty bad probably happened. Some of what you are seeing is just different communication styles. Men tend not to value concepts such as tone and safe spaces as much as women. So it comes off harsh sometimes. Okay...now the issues.

Men are assumed to be rapists. "Teach men not to rape" is totally a thing.
Men do not receive fair treatment in family courts. At all. This is systemic. Lifetime alimony. Child support being paid by men who are not even the biological father just because they were married to the woman at the time of the child's birth.
Men have their genitals mutilated in pretty much all of western society which values women enough to see that female genital mutilation is a horrible practice but men not enough to even ask the question: should we be doing this to babies?
The Duluth model. This is what makes police have to establish a 'primary aggressor' in domestic incidents. Almost always the man. Even though actual DV is pretty evenly split.
The sentencing and conviction gap. Women get off scot-free for crimes that will get a man put away for a long time. If the woman is convicted, her sentence is 63% shorter on average (Karen Straughan is my source, don't know the study behind her words).
Legal paternal surrender. My wallet, my choice. Money is earned by labor. Labor is done with the body. Therefore my wallet is my body. My body, my choice. Right? Men are told that if they don't want children, don't have sex.
Portrayal in the media. Men are almost always depicted as buffoons while their wives are smart, sensible and always right. Books from the 1950s are one thing, but I'm talking about what we see on TV every day.
Selective Service. Did you know that men don't have the right to vote? We have to trade for it. We have to agree to be conscripted into the draft should the need ever arise to get our right to vote. Some states will not allow you a driver's license if you don't sign up. This isn't often enforced but that doesn't make it fair.
Empathy. Men are competitive with each other. We possess no in-group preference for each other based on gender. In fact we prefer women. Women prefer women too. So being socially ostracized is often a punishment levied against men who are not totally pleasant to be around at all times. Society is much less hesitant to cast out a woman. This can result in a lot of bitterness for those blokes.
Suicide. Why do so many men commit suicide? Why don't we care. Suicide kills more veterans than the wars they fought in.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head. I don't have time to provide you will all of the links, I'm sorry for that.

~ Dillip

plaguemice · 2016-04-07T19:54:43+00:00

I am reading all the replies, even if I'm not replying. Thank you everyone for being so patient and frank with me.

robertlo9 · 2016-04-07T18:52:32+00:00

The Men's Rights Movement is an attempt to push back against the unrelenting tide of injustice perpetrated on men in the past few decades. Men haven't had defenders because it was just assumed that we were in power so we didn't need to be defended. But men have been dragged through the mud, fathers have been vilified, young men have been branded perverts, all while just wanting to go about their business and live their lives as they see fit.

I am a married man with three children. I discovered the MRM about a year ago, and I find myself agreeing with it almost completely. Men are getting the short end of the stick for no good reason. Society cannot continue if we hate the people who make society possible. Men must be respected for their actions and not forever shamed for things they cannot control.

njskypilot · 2016-04-07T22:58:19+00:00

Here is my personal story of why I am MRA. I went through a divorce starting in 2007. We have two beautiful children whom I had unsupervised visits with for five years every other weekend and one weeknight for dinner. After the markets collapsed in 2008, my income went down substantially. I filed a motion in court to reduce my alimony and child support. I was denied even though I had no take home pay! I was working solely for my ex and kids. I filed a motion in 2012 again for a reduction in A&C support. My ex filed a cross motion for parenting time mediation. This after she had filed several false restraining orders against me. The mediator assigned to us, a female decided to take my ex false allegations of DV and give her sole custody over my children. I have had very little contact with my kids in almost four years. I have been in and out of therapy because I miss my children so much. It is disgusting how men are treated in the family courts. I have spent well over $200k in trying to get fairness in the courts and the only thing it has led to is me losing all my money and losing my children. This all for a father who has never been arrested, does not do drugs, never beat my wife or kids. Simply put, it is a living hell I am living right now with no access to my children. So when we start seeing fairness when it comes to divorce then I will moderate my tone. until then I read about fathers on a daily basis who are getting fucked out of a relatioship with their children on a daily basis.

jtaylor73003 · 2016-04-07T22:36:15+00:00

Why is there so much hate? Why is the hate all I can find?

I read all the replies to you, and they all have one thing in common. They are trying to vaguely respond to your very vague question.

What help everyone, even yourself, if you were more specific about what hateful things you seen and where you heard these things? Was it from Jezebel or similar feminist slanted page? Was it from women's section of some popular news outlet? Yahoo News has published things from Redbook claiming Meninists and MRAs are the same thing. Were you on a Red Pill Subbreddit or a Pickup Artist Blog? Media has misinformed many people that those groups are the same as MRAs. Were you on Voice for Men and read a satirical piece that you confused was geniue? Are you reading comments that are very mocking and crass? Now I will remind you that men are more crass to a point with each other, and that some men like women take it to far.

Pinuspalustris · 2016-04-07T19:56:09+00:00

Thank you for coming here to get both sides, rather than just listening and believing the feminists.

girlwriteswhat · 2016-04-08T14:30:28+00:00

Why is there so much hate? Why is the hate all I can find?

Sometimes it's hate. I'm not going to say it isn't. But often it's anger and frustration.

I'm going to quote some of what u/bufedad posted in another comment:

But for any crime with a face to face encounter, the gender of the offender and the victim begins to define the seriousness of the act. This occurs because we read into a crime such power dynamics as relative size, vulnerability, and the ability to inspire fear.

You're a woman. A young one, at that. And you're as prone to the internal biases described in that quote as anyone. When women are angry, they're just complaining. When men are angry, they're scary.

When you go into a men's rights space, you're probably assuming any given username is a man, and you attach a man's face to the commentary. Makes it seem scarier than if you were reading it on a site where you would assume all or most of the users are women.

You've also read some things about the men's rights movement that are unflattering (we're terrorists, we're rape apologists, we promote violence against women, we're all Slenderman, yada yada). Scary stuff. Then you arrive in a men's rights space and anything that fits that description jumps out at you. You've been primed to look for it by everything you've read.

When I first stumbled across this movement, I stumbled unprepared into a space that was 10 times more brutal than this one. The men there chewed up entitled little girls, gargled them and then spit them out. It was great! I loved my time there. Got to know the regular commenters, became fond of several, and learned a lot. Granted, I'm maybe not your typical woman, but with very few exceptions, they were talking to me the way they talked to each other--that is, they weren't being mean because I'm a woman. They were just treating me fairly, not cutting me any slack, and certainly not giving me special treatment.

That said, they are angry. Once you learn enough of what many of them are dealing with, you realize they have a right to be. I can't even imagine how angry I would be if my ex got sole custody despite being abusive and violent, and all I'd seen of my kids in 7 years was the 40% garnish order on my gross pay every two weeks.

I've been in this movement since 2010, and I've been to a lot of meet-ups with people in the movement. There are always lots of men at such meet-ups. Most of them are absolute sweeties--I haven't met one who wasn't. Lots of hugs and talking and every once in a while when I meet someone I know from this subreddit in person, I get a little girlie (doesn't happen often) and do an "OMG! TRACYMORGANFREEMAN!? OMG!" and kind of bounce up and down and give them a hug.

Now granted, they know me, and they know what I do. Their feelings about me are going to be different from their feelings about women in general.

So maybe a place to start would be here. (yes, that's me)

It might be less threatening and scary to hear it from a woman (though the state of my kitchen in that video is... terrifying, to be sure). I've got a lot of videos up, talking about a lot of different issues men face, and some of the biggest barriers to solving them.

We've had studies showing gender symmetry in domestic violence going all the way back to 1979, and by the early 80s those studies had contextualized the violence of women against their male partners as being not significantly different in motivation or effect. That's more than 35 years of research that's been replicated time and again, and yet we're still dealing with policies and enforcement that assume the man is the abuser and the woman his victim.

Advocating to solve these problems is often like rolling a boulder up a hill, and then getting called a misogynist for your trouble. That generates anger.

Anyway, hope this helps.

azazelcrowley · 2016-04-07T19:33:51+00:00

It's because of a media smear campaign and institutionalized hatred of men. Because the current orthodoxy says sexism against men is impossible.

ExpendableOne · 2016-04-07T20:16:31+00:00

Why is the hate all I can find?

Because it's probably all you're looking for, and because you come into it feeling as though men have nothing to be angry about in the first place(when they do, in fact, have a lot to be angry about).

Sourdust2 · 2016-04-07T21:46:30+00:00

I am a center "Men's right's activists".

I believe this big reason you find alot of hate is how laws and family court are written.

There are states that still define rape as forced pentration, but leave out say male on male rape. On top of it men get laughed at or told they wanted it if they do say they got raped by a woman. My personal ancedote is this, in high school I had two incidents(late 2000's) where two different girls sexual harrased me. One reached her hand down my pants and the other grabbed my ass and both told me I liked it. If a man had done this then there would have been outrage(rightfully so) but since a woman did it then there was NO response. A girl in middle school looked into my bedroom windows becuase she thought I was cute and wanted to catch me naked. Again something that is very very illegal but I can't

Men have a massive sentencing differences between women(This does account for rap sheets and past behavior) for example a child rapist will get very very different sentences based on gender.

The blatant spread of misinformation by feminist(not necessarily man hating) and men hating advocates. For example the bullshit 1 in 4 stastic created by the CDC a few years ago via shit survey questions.(ever been physical uncomfortable by a man, yep that is sexual assault). Or the wage gap(partially true but not as drastic as presented). These things lead to a lot of angry men

Family courts have blatantly sexist standards written into LAW.

The incessant vilification or moronfication of men in media(happens to women as well)

All men are rapist rhetoric or all men are pigs ect.

The recent rash of young men being thrown off of college campuses based on no evidence other than the word of their "victim"(If her truth is not good enough for you then you are rape culture) This does not go both ways, men are by and large laughed off by title 9 offices.

I will acknowledge that many posts on this sub are PETTY and IDIOTIC. There are however many compelling and justified arguments that need to be read.

In addition there are times feminists REFUSE TO INCLUDE men in the conversation as someone who would benefit from change.

I am sure I am missing some societal things that I think about when brought up as well.

Alternative theory on the wage gap that I read on here that makes the most sense.

That we as society undervalue work where females are traditionally the most represented group(IE Teaching) and thus pay them lower wages to that industry.

Juan_Golt · 2016-04-07T22:28:20+00:00

One of the challenges we face in the MRM is that we are constantly put in a categorical box with people who are nothing like us. Any time some guy stands up and says something misogynist people label him an MRA "because MRAs are misogynists right?"

We've seen this happen a few times when some PUA or Redpiller goes off the deep end enough to draw media attention. They are almost always referred to as 'Men's Rights' guys. Even when they are often further away from us than Feminists.

My regular MRM list isn't anything like what you've described.

Shared parenting advocacy: https://nationalparentsorganization.org/

GWW Karen Staughan's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/videos?flow=grid&view=0&sort=p

Studio Brule and Janice Fiamengo https://www.youtube.com/user/StudioBrule/videos

IMHO a great comment on the MRM is here. Really sums up my experience: https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1jt1u5/cmv_i_think_that_mens_rights_issues_are_the/cbi2m7a

sfudman · 2016-04-08T00:09:30+00:00

There is no hate to explain. You have invented hatred in the minds of people who have a legitimate grievance against injustice. You are too weak to handle internet opinions, you are "terrified"? Please, you are strawmaning and damseling.

Why dont you link to the "terrifying" "Hate" "forums"? Evidence please?

plaguemice · 2016-04-07T19:04:49+00:00

First, society is far more comfortable with teaching women about the dark side of men than vice versa.

It starts in childhood with both the father and the mother’s advice to the daughter, and it continues into adulthood. I think this is very important because I think the average man puts the average women on a pedestal far more often than vice versa, and men are trained and socialized by both parents to do this from young.

Women on the other hand get an education from both parents on how to protect themselves from the dark side of most men from a very young age. “All men want is just one thing.” “Give it up too fast and he won’t stick around.” “He’s just not that into you.” “He won’t buy the cow if he can get the milk for free.” “Don’t let yourself be alone with a guy you barely know.” “All men will cheat given the opportunity.”

Meanwhile, I don’t think men are capable of even believing the average woman has a dark side. They think only the outliers do. Women are totally fine accepting that the average guy has a dark or unsavory side and that they need to be informed about that, without believing that doing so makes them man-haters. Yet men feel like the mere entertaining of the idea that the average woman (not just the mythical “bad girl”) can have an unsavory side will transform them into instant misogynists.

For example, go into the relationship section and see how many relationship books aimed at women warning them about shady men. Book after book about dogs, cheaters, players, emotionally unavailable men, narcissistic men, “Nice Guys” (the apparent latest bogeyman of the dating world), immature men who need to “man up!,” passive aggressive men, verbally abusive men, men who string women along with no intention of committing or marrying, and so forth.

Yet you hardly see women on blogs, message boards, or book review sites falling over themselves to point out that it’s only a subset of men like that, or to defend them in general. Even when women admit that all men don’t fall into the bad categories described in a book or article, they make it clear they found “one of the good ones,” which still implies that the good ones are a minority of what’s out there.

However, when the tables are turned and the advice is about warning men about the dark side of many women, guys really resist it a lot more. The comparative lack of demand for such books alone speaks volumes. Men complain about the cynicism, decry the misogyny, say they don’t want to think of women that way, they want to make sure it’s clear that it’s only a minority of women that are bad…they hate the very idea of any negative generalization about women.

I’m not saying to demonize all women, start hating everything about them, and become a misogynist, but at the same time too many men are Pollyannaish and give them the benefit of the doubt to an extent that they never do for us, which ends up with a lot of guys getting totally blindsided later on. Many guys write me to ask about how they can learn to be less codependent and develop better boundaries, and from talking to them I’ve become convinced the biggest culprits are the implicit, unexamined belief that women are on average inherently more mature and empathetic than men, and the belief that if they stop viewing “good” women as naturally exalted enlightened creatures and start accepting them as a human mix of strengths and flaws, they won’t be able to still love them anymore.

I think these Pollyannaish beliefs men grow up with about women give men a lot of faulty, idealized expectations about women, and when they get blindsided and hurt enough times by women not living up to these ideals their parents and society put in their heads, they overcompensate in the opposite direction with extreme misogyny and a feeling that they’ve been lied to their whole lives. I think a lot of the new misogyny we’re seeing wouldn’t happen if society and parents were as comfortable educating boys about the dark side of women as they are educating women about the dark side of men.

TheDude41 · 2016-04-08T04:13:14+00:00

deez_nuts_730 · 2016-04-07T19:00:18+00:00

This is a hard question to answer. If people who didn't understand the MRM came to this sub, I think we would be much better off.

I have heard your concerns voiced more than once. Just like Feminism, our movement does have hate filled individuals or misguided folks. There are those that claim to be MRA but aren't and those are usually the ones that slander our name. Just look at what happened with Return of Kings; one media outlet labeled them MRA and now the whole internet associates us with him, even though he has specifically stated that he is not MRA. Or Roosh who is an ignorant regressive individual who seems to catch all of our opportunities for progress and ruin them.

Its hard seeing our public image hurt by people like these. But the true MRA is much better than that. Yes we do have anger, but we don't have hate, or I should say we shouldn't. We are angry at a world that doesn't take us seriously, and every time we bring up our issues they get dismissed or even laughed at by everyone from the common Joe, to politicians that determine our rights. So yes we are angry that we have real problems that nobody seems to care about.

It is good that you read the FAQ, because they do outline, quite well, what we most care about and why. But don't stop there. This is the internet, so it shouldn't be too shocking that you find a lot of negativity. So get away from the internet for a bit and read one of the books listed in the sidebar. Also ask us specific questions you have. We are a pretty civil group here and would love to help you understand. I hope we can help make a difference to you on Men's Rights.

HotDealsInTexas · 2016-04-07T22:34:01+00:00

I get some of it. Parental rights, I get. But every website I have tried to read up on it comes packaged with so much hate, and frankly alot of it scares me.

Why is there so much hate? Why is the hate all I can find?

Because some people are bitter because they have been severely fucked over by society and/or by individuals. If you looked at a Feminist forum you would see the exact same thing you see here.

ThePigmanAgain · 2016-04-07T23:04:33+00:00

Thank you for your concern, o' mystery person with a five-hour-old account.

Pornography_saves_li · 2016-04-08T03:54:37+00:00

Actually treat men equally in the eyes of the Law and the MRM vaporizes. It will never happen. That should tell you all you need to know.

rg57 · 2016-04-08T04:07:27+00:00

Why is there so much hate? Why is the hate all I can find?

When you're being attacked, it's not fun.

rg57 · 2016-04-08T04:12:07+00:00

not completely terrifying

I haven't seen anything in this subreddit that comes anywhere close to "completely terrifying", even though I object to some of it. As in most open places, there are a variety of people, in a variety of moods, with a variety of perspectives.

I take that back.

The terrifying thing is the reality that men make up the vast majority of workplace deaths, and the vast majority of the for-profit prison population, where rape is encouraged, and nobody outside of this movement cares at all about any of it. Men are supposed to get raped and die early. That's terrifying.

DavidByron2 · 2016-04-07T20:51:57+00:00

I see and live the problems facing my gender every day

Like what? I mean what that everyone else doesn't face?

Why is the hate all I can find?

Perhaps you bring it with you.

Can anyone here explain to me

If you don't think men are human beings too, then no.

civilsaint · 2016-04-07T23:23:10+00:00

I commend you on the way you're handling your curiosity. I hope these answers are helpful to you.

I am male, but always championed women's rights. I always strongly believed everyone should have equal opportunity and not face discrimination.

What originally attracted me to the MRM is the fear that I can be accused of an array of things and have my freedom and money stripped from me, strictly for being male. If I disagreed with the strict feminist line, I would be denigrated or told that I am 'mansplaining', which is the EXACT behavior that the feminist movement claims to want to stop.

It is scary to be a male today. A false accuser can ruin a man's life, and even if she admits it, she will not face ANY penalty. Extremist feminists claim it has to be this way so that rape victims don't fear coming forward. This is ridiculous, because rape victims hate false accusers and do not want to enable them at all.

Feminists say that rape is underreported, but they don't tell you that in most non-reported rapes, the victim is male. Men are sexually assaulted at the same rate as women, but the feminist movement hates this. They hijacked sexual assault and domestic abuse (also half of victims are male) and act like this is a product of 'the patriarchy'. They deny that women can be predators, assault men, and ruin their lives with false accusations. Why they do this, I don't know.

For that reason, I see that the battle nowadays is for men's rights and male victims to get justice. I believe in equality, and that is why we need to push the pendulum back a bit. Of course there is vitriol coming from feminists because they built a movement on being the victim. Now the feminists are the perpetrators. They hate that this is being pointed out.

That's just my take.

2016-04-08T08:00:30+00:00

Is it hate to spread the message that women are capable of harming individuals just as men are?

Is it also hate when pointing out that certain elements of society would rather not hear this message?

Is it also hate to fight against the narrative that posits women as harmless, better at (insert task here), more peaceful?

I was once labeled disturbed for questioning the narrative in an uncompromising way.

That's what I face on a regular basis.

rottingchrist · 2016-04-08T08:36:04+00:00

it scares me.....the hate.... I don't want to be afraid..... show me somewhere that explains it that is not completely terrifying?

Disgusting victim narrative.

If it "scares" you, go away. No one is keeping you here.

BeetrootRelish · 2016-04-08T09:42:28+00:00

Thankyou for your honest curiosity and your questions. I'm on mobile and there are a lot of excellent responses already, so I'll just add this quickly.

Regarding the nastiness. The comments that you will find here and the opinions are far less filtered than you will find in a feminist space. Things are less moderated here and in the MRM in general Less PC. What you will read and hear will be written in a far more direct, more diverse and more honest format. People here are encouraged to disagree and tend to care fare less where their karma sits. Just like conversations with men in real life, what you read will probably be to the point, unapologetic, and sometimes offensive. But here we understand the importance of those voices in our community even if we vehemently disagree.

It's a tone difference and it might be why you find posts hateful or mean.

That said, I won't defend those actually engaging in threats and actual hate speech. I wouldn't silence them either, but I won't stand with them.

2016-04-08T11:12:28+00:00

Anger is not hate, though it looks like hate if you aren't sympathetic to its causes. People wouldn't be here if they weren't angry.

Look, like a lot of women, it sounds like your brain just sort of short-circuits when exposed to male anger, and your mindset automatically switches to 'How dare you! Calm down!' mode instead of 'hear you out' mode.

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plaguemice · 2016-04-09T00:32:16+00:00

Wow! This thread has had so much more attention than I ever thought! Thank all of you for your imput and for being patient with me. Unfortunately, I don't think I can keep up with replying to all of it! But I am still going to try to read everything.

You all have given me alot of insight to this movement, and I really appreciate how welcome you all made me feel. I wish more communities reacted to outsiders as openly and as patiently as you have with me.

There are issues here I never even heard of or thought of, and some angles to other issues that I had never bothered to examine. I feel like I understand at least a little better, and I am happy I spent the time here asking and reading your replies.

BookOfGQuan · 2016-04-08T16:36:59+00:00

One thing you need to understand. Anger does not come from malice, it does not come from violent prejudice, and it doesn't come out of nowhere. It comes from pain. From a sense of betrayal. From frustration at having everything you valued hoovered up and twisted by ideologues who spread harmful misinformation.

Like most people, you've been conditioned by a combination of natural instinct and cultural biases to fear outsider males, to be hypersensitive to the supposed threat they pose. What you're seeing though, is not The Enemy arrayed against you. It's your brothers, in pain.

Once you start to see that, and peel back the lies and the distortions to see that they have every reason to be in pain, and so angry, you will not be so afraid.

blueoak9 · 2016-04-08T17:48:12+00:00

"Why is there so much hate? Why is the hate all I can find? "

You wouldn't have to ask if half of this shit had happened to you.

BetterBadIdeas · 2016-04-08T20:14:18+00:00

You know how the "church of the flying spagetti monster" basically exists to troll christians and other major religions by pointing out the absurdity whenever they start overstepping the the first amendment and trampling peoples rights, by demanding the same privilges those other religions are asserting?

Its a lot like that

ABC_Florida · 2016-05-01T05:19:04+00:00

I think the hatred comes from not being cared about and claiming that privilege of women in the legal system is equality, and continuing to label women as the group at risk.

Like this little girl dying, because her mother was assumed being the caretaker. Or the fact that the moment a woman makes a rape complaint, she is assumed victim, who must be believed. First of all if she must be believed, there is no point having a trial. Universities posing as both the legal system and law enforcement. Like a woman initiating a threesome, regretting it and reporting the males for inappropriate behavior, males being expelled, searching legal help, claiming sexual discrimination, university claiming they still broke some rule. Metro Police having a footage of a man walking by a claimed victim, yet pursuing a case against him for a year, claiming that he penetrated her while walking past here. Here is my debate on the case, if you're interested. Even if the evidence clearly contradicts the claims of the female victim, leaving no stone unturned to wash her out from her lies.

I've made a small survey, to find out what do people think having a registry of false accusers. By that I don't mean the cases like the first case of Steven Avery, where someone spent 18 years in jail because he was identified as the rapist by mistake. But the cases where someone wants to take revenge, or simply wants attention. The most popular opinion was that it would put these women at risk, because someone might find them as a victim with low credibility. I personally would not care about their well beings, convict and sentence those who commit crimes against them, end of story. No one cares about a guy hooking up with a girl who by her own admission lied about her age. If that guy is put into the registry, he is a good target for extortion. After all how many police officer would be heart-broken by a convicted felon's complaints?

The biggest part of this rage might come from the unequal balance in relationships. If a woman only wants a man for sex, but fails to mention it, or the man fails to accept it, there's a higher chance of revenge from a female. Be it a slap, spreading rumors about him, or even a false accusation. But if you look at the US, there is no end for a marriage for a man. But there is for a woman. If the parties part, the wife can have the financial safety she was accustomed to. Assuming a CEO marries a waitress. She moves in with him, pays no rent and nothing for food. He buys her clothes, takes her for vacations. They separate, and she might be accustomed for the level of life she is used to. So he has to pay alimony. But she won't drop by his place once a week to clean it and trim the bushes, probably she never did in the first place. I know that there are also ex-wives paying alimony, but I think it is marginal to males. I think it is stupid in both cases.

LeHappyTrader · 2016-04-07T18:31:21+00:00

Liar, there are no females on the internet, just guys pretending to be women :)

Title	I don't understand this movement.
Author	plaguemice
Upvotes	21
Comments	174
Date	April 7, 2016 6:27 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4dserj/i_dont_understand_this_movement/
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