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Student admits falsely accusing several men of rape. Judge refuses to punish her.

MRA-Sid

January 9, 2020
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Title Student admits falsely accusing several men of rape. Judge refuses to punish her.
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Date January 9, 2020 7:54 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]iainmf[M] [score hidden] 6 years ago stickied comment (5 children) | Copy Link

A user requested better sources for this story so I found a bunch of stories via Google and Duckduckgo

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/30/british-woman-19-found-guilty-lying-gang-rape-cyprus/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/07/europe/ayia-napa-cyprus-british-woman-sentenced-intl/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/07/cyprus-case-british-teenager-given-suspended-sentence

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7836437/British-woman-19-Derbyshire-guilty-lying-raped-12-Israeli-men.html

https://in-cyprus.com/detailed-court-ruling-explains-why-british-teen-was-found-guilty-of-lying-about-gang-rape/

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/british-teen-guilty-of-lying-about-gang-rape-in-cyprus-20191231-p53nrc.html

https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/british-teen-who-accused-12-men-of-gang-rape-in-cyprus-found-guilty-of-lying/

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/cyprus-court-finds-british-teen-guilty-of-lying-about-rape-by-israelis/

https://www.financialmirror.com/2019/12/30/british-teen-found-guilty-of-lying-about-gang-rape/

https://www.thenationalherald.com/276860/court-finds-british-teen-guilty-lied-about-gang-rape-on-cyprus/

[–]Smasher429118 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Good mod

[–]WombatCommander 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good mod

[–]jack93885 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Way beyond the call of duty for a "good mod..."

great mod

[–]Greg_W_Allan 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting how she's continually described as a "teen" whilst those she accused are "men".

Media is doing everything it can to hide the statutory rape.

[–]samutlgfx 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based may Allah bring good times and luck upon your soul.

[–]kingjohn1919 433 points434 points435 points 6 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

Makes me so fucking irate

[–]ComeBackToDigg 178 points179 points180 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

She is going to do it again. And again.

[–]PutridMeatPuppet 69 points70 points71 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Until she gets punished for it.

[–]ReyUnleashed 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like ur username 👍🏻

[–]PutridMeatPuppet 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks !

[–]oreverthrowaway 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even then

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Hello-there-yes-you2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, you are wrong in the head.

[–]AudioAssassyn9 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No way, she didn't mean to do it, she wasn't thinking clearly, and she really really really regrets it, and she's not a risk of being a repeat offender, and she needs to be in society so she has a chance at a good life because prison would ruin a lot of opportunities for her!

/s

[–]timleykis -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This will sound awful, but maybe one day she will be raped and then will have something to complain about.

[–]Captain_Arzt 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is awful, and has no place in this subreddit. I wouldn't wish such pain and fear on anyone...

[–]timleykis 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If a woman *falsely* accused me of rape, I could spend 20 years in prison, lose my wife, kids and any hope of continued employment. If I was innocent and was punished in such a way then I WOULD wish such pain and fear on the woman that caused it. I would respect your point of view if you reacted with the same horror for the male victims of rape fraud.

[+]Corporal_Anaesthetic -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

If it makes you feel any better, it's probably not true. The confession was likely coerced.

They did not want this resort to be known as "rapey" so they forced her to say that she made it up. She was interrogated for 12 hours without a lawyer, and signed a written statement in poor English that she likely did not write herself. She had 35 bruises which forensic experts said were consistent with rape but the judge dismissed as jellyfish stings.

See other comments in this thread, and other news sources.

[–]Pippin958 49 points50 points51 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

There are videos circulating of her video selfie-ing whilst having sex with these men.

[–]PrimeWolf88 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She also accused multiple people who were not there at the time and had good alibis.

[–]tothecatmobile 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The video in question was taken on a different day to the alleged rape.

[–]FeierInMeinHose 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a link, or is that against sitewide rules?

[–]MBV-09-C 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Someone made a post with a link to a NSFL video of an African dick skinning ritual like two weeks ago or so, if that was okay then I don’t see why a link to what you asked for would break rules.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]MBV-09-C 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not antagonizing you, but if you saw it, why not share it? If you’re right then we would only agree wouldn’t we?

[+]make_monet_monet -16 points-15 points-14 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

That was probably just a panic response. Sometime when a woman is being raped she acts and talks like she’s having a great time, in order to subdue her attackers.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]make_monet_monet 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And as you know, a common method of rapists is to ask a woman if she wants to have sex, and oftentimes women say yes due to shock.

[–]buddy58745 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hol up

[–]DerangedGinger 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fucked up thing is these days I can't tell when people are being sarcastic or not with comments like that. Once upon a time you'd say that stuff to troll people or as dark humor, but now people believe that stuff.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]make_monet_monet -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being on top allows for a quick escape. I’m sure she was just waiting for the right moment to do that. Also, asking about the Hebrew is just responsible, she wants to make sure she’s on top of their communication.

[–]EsotericEye 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Get out of here with your bullshit and stop justifying this vindictive woman's despicable, spiteful actions. There's absolutely no proof that she was raped. She knew she would get away with it even if she admitted to lying because she knows women only get a slap on the wrist.

This is what most likely happened, She had sex with multiple men, regretted it and then wanted to falsely accuse these men for profit because she's a piece of shit. It's amazing how people like you always use mental gymnastics to justify women's shitty behavior.

[–]FucksWithGators 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They were being sarcastic, mate. Read their second comment, it's a lot more clear

[–]EsotericEye 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They may have been sarcastic but it really wasn't obvious. Maybe they should've added an /s at the end of their comment because it seemed to me like they genuinely meant what they said. Whether it was sarcastic or not, I still despise this kind of sexist, delusional bullshit.

[–]FucksWithGators 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i get ya. I didnt think they were being sarcastic til i saw their other comment. Im with you

[–]BillNyetheCreepyGuy 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obvious troll is obvious.

[–]immortalsperm 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What about the video of her enjoying it ?

[+]Razvedka -29 points-28 points-27 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This comment should be upvoted. It's the probable explanation imho based on the provided information.

I feel bad for her, it's awful. Either outcome here is just awful.

[–]Greg_W_Allan -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she shouldn't be having sex with fifteen year olds.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]goodmod[M] -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your post was removed due to rule 6:

Personal information posted directly to Reddit about a person or user will be removed. Submissions about Facebook pages or Twitter must be screenshotted with names blanked out. Reddit has a zero-tolerance policy for doxxing. Any posts or comments that attempt to identify an anonymous person, or solicit such identification, will be removed. In addition, users may be banned.

[–]HgeanKidNebula 295 points296 points297 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

When are people going to realize how obviously wrong this is? These biased judges need to be replaced.

[–]InformalCriticism 127 points128 points129 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The judges deserve punishment for not protecting the rights of the accused. They have a Constitutional responsibility to protect the individual liberties of the falsely accused, and refusing to do so is dereliction of duty in the highest order.

[–]SauronGamgee 32 points33 points34 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but simps and feminists don't care. Fuck this world

[–]CamtheRulerofAll 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We are all in a video game about a really fucked up version of the real world. Betting money on it

[–]MBV-09-C 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We are the result of a higher entity playing a game immediately after quicksaving.

[–]Mens_rights_matter2 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree however the problem begins where they are taught. The education system needs to have the cancer which is feminism excised from it or cut out like a tumor. Judges are being taught to discriminate against men and protect women because they are "perpetual victims of men." How does the patriarchy benefit men again?

[–]iscrew4ners 88 points89 points90 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Question: Would home video cameras/ body cameras protect men against false allegations of rape/domestic violence? Or would having a camera running be a crime in itself during sex (ie illegal recording of private acts, sex videos). Is this a catch22?

[–]CountFucker 66 points67 points68 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep in the UK you would need permission to avoid voyeur laws, PLUS they can at any point revoke consent for sharing the footage further under the revenge porn laws. It's coming down to just her statement of her consent, no other evidence is allowed. Is the juice really worth the squeeze these days?

[–]JoelMahon 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's always legal if you tell them, some states are two party consent only for even normal stuff, even in your own home sometimes, idk if anywhere is one party consent in your own home for nudity

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[–]Hollen88 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That only work if it had audio or she very obviously saw them. Like maybe interacting with them. Think Ian Malcolm in jurassic Park.

[–]feltentragus 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Laws vary. Always check your local jurisdiction.

[–]tssfaatt11 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Question: Would home video cameras/ body cameras protect men against false allegations of rape/domestic violence?

Nope. Look at johnny depp. He was accused of abusing his bitch of an ex but he has over 700 hours of video footage that proves that everything she said he did to her she really did to him.

The da nor the police will even look at it and are still going after him as the abuser.

Example: She claimed he hit her so hard he tore the top of his finger off.

What really happened: She threw a glass object at him and it hit a wall and shattered and she took a piece and sliced off his finger.

[–]tothecatmobile 109 points110 points111 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The judge is giving her a light sentence because no one in Cyprus wants a light shone on how the case has been handled.

From the woman being questioned for hours without either a lawyer or an interpreter, from her writing a confession which is written in broken English using phrases that British people don't use, to the judge refusing to hear expert testimony provided by the defence.

They want the whole thing to blow over quickly.

[–]WhatDatMoufDeux 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I don't know if I buy the confession. I read that they interrogated her for 12 hours, with no lawyer, before she confessed? I'm a firm believer of sticking to your guns in these kinds of situations but I also know there are such things as false confessions.

[–]tothecatmobile 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No lawyer and no translator.

[–]OCDTEACHER 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't blame him for not hearing the linguist to be honest. Its quite common for the police to dictate a criminals confewwion or even write it

[–]tothecatmobile 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The confession was supposed to have been written by the woman, and supposed to be in her handwriting.

[–]The_Pringles_Man 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in the UK it isn't...don't know about Cyprus.

[–]Preform_Perform 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If what you say is true, this story is a lot deeper than the typical "Woman gets off easily" story shown here.

[+]Petsweaters -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To her selfie video having sex with them.

[–]tothecatmobile 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The video isn't a video of the alleged rape, it was taken on an earlier day.

[–]VegetableConfection 6 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

This is a tricky one, I think. I can believe that Cypriot police would pressure her into retracting the statement, especially as they make so much money from British tourism.

I'd be very interested to read exactly what she said in that retraction, as well as more details from the trial. That seems unlikely to happen though sadly.

[–]whyserenity 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. This is one you have to read between the lines. It really looks like they just wanted to avoid an international incident, and maybe the British government might have been involved.

[–]tothecatmobile 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The retraction has been made public and has been reported in the UK media, this is what it says;

"The report I did on the 17th of July 2019 that I was raped at ayia napa was not the truth. The truth is that I wasnt raped and everything that happened in that appartment (sic) was with my consent.

"The reason I made the statement with the fake report is because I did not know they were recording & humiliating me that night I discovered them recording me doing sexual intercourse and I felt embarrassed so I want to appologise (sic), say I made a mistake."

[–]VegetableConfection14 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I didn't know that it was a written confession, or that it had been made public.

That doesn't totally dismiss my doubts though. It definitely sounds like it was worded by someone who spoke English as a second language. Plus I didn't know that that confession was preceded by 8 hours of interviewing her on her own, until I googled the quote.

It was foolish of her to sign it in any case. But I don't think that applying that sort of pressure to a potential rape victim is on at all. I could fully imagine a real rape victim just wanting it to end and signing that, thinking that could be the end of the ordeal.

Do you know if there were any other arguments against her claim than the retraction?

[–]tothecatmobile 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The judge also refused to hear evidence from a forensic pathologist that 35 bruises that she had on her legs, bottom, arms and face were consistent with rape. It's also possible she had further injuries on her torso, but the police never took photos of her without a shirt on.

He dismissed them as jellyfish stings.

[–]Petsweaters -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Did he watch the video she made of herself having sex with them?

[–]tothecatmobile 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Since I'm just being downvoted rather than actually questioned about the video, here's the details on the video in relation to the alleged rape;

The court heard she had sex with Sam on two nights prior to the attack when his friends were in the room and filmed them on their phones.

On the third night they met she claimed the same group of men, aged from 15 -22, burst into the room, held her down and raped her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7836437/British-woman-19-Derbyshire-guilty-lying-raped-12-Israeli-men.html

[–]tothecatmobile 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe so, but the video isn't a video of the alleged rape, it was taken on an earlier day.

[–]Mackowatosc -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she signed? well, she shouldnt have.

[–]uktexan 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Normally I’m the one with the pitchfork but this story is pretty troubling. She had bruises all over her body indicative of rape or forced sex, but the judge refused to admit it into evidence. Also, she was questioned for several hours without the benefit of a lawyer, which is where her retraction came from.

People who falsely accuse are scum, but I’m not sure this is one of those cases

[–]luzifer434 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said just what I was thinking when I read the story

[+]Crazy_Is_More_Fun -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Idk man people are into rough sex nowadays, bruises aren't hard and fast evidence anymore! And what would the police gain from covering the rapes up? Are the guys of high status or something?

We absolutely just need a better way of telling whether someone is telling the truth or not but that's impossible without 24/7 surveillance. And I personally don't want to record myself having sex I've got enough damn performance anxiety as it is! Or ideally, something which we could have which would make rape victims better but ones who weren't would feel frustrated or annoyed at. I'm imagining some sort of councillor thing. Obvious rape victims will relish in the opportunity for proper professional help! Although the ones who made it up will start to produce holes in their story over the period of 6 or so months

[–]Shawn411 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bruh 35 bruises isn't rough sex. It's a beating.

[–]Crazy_Is_More_Fun -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's still at least possible! None of us know how kinky she is it her past sex life or anything like that.

Just a casual reminder people are into scat, there is genuinely no limits as to what people are and aren't into

[–]Shawn411 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's pushing it by a lot.

[–]mikesteane 26 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The College Fix should know better than to refer to Brock Turner as a "convicted rapist."

[–]LucindaGlade 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is he not?

[–]duhhhh 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His crime didn't meet the criteria for rape in California, so he was not charged with rape, and is therefore not a convicted rapist. He is a convicted sexual assaulter which was a major factor in his short sentence.

[+]mikesteane -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]Dontdoabandonedrealm 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Technically, he fingered a woman. technically, he was convicted of that. And technically, penetration is considered rape.

[–]pvtshoebox 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in CA, where he was convicted if a crime that was not rape.

He is a rapist, sure. He is not a convicted rapist. He was convicted of a crime that is labelled differently and is associated with lighter sentences.

Declaring that all penetrative sexual assualts should be treated as "rape" is a worthy goal, I think.

Those who are harmed by the distinction between the two forms of rape are those raped by anything other than a penis.

Distorting the truth (by calling him a convicted rapist) denies the reality faced by those harmed; the laws beed to change and our language should reflect that.

"Brock is not a convicted rapist. He should have been. Let's fix the law." <- is a defensible position.

"Brock Turner is a convicted rapist" is a lie that harms more people than Brock Turner.

[–]The_Pringles_Man15 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That is a staggeringly one-sided and biased article.

It doesn't mention any of the issues with the investigation and prosecution - such as:

  • being denied access to a lawyer
  • being denied access to a translator
  • the crime scene not being held for long enough (the room where the rape allegedly happened)
  • the phones not being downloaded for the men when they were arrested (which would be standard practice in just about every rape investigation)

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I happen to think - as a gut feeling - that she probably has lied or exaggerated what happened. But the reality of this situation is that the Cypriot authorities completely screwed this up and ran an investigation that they should find embarrassing. As a result of such a shoddy investigation there is now forever going to be doubt towards both sides of this case. We will never know what happened for sure.

This article just skips all of the issues that have been raised - it's a hatchet job.

[–]warsage 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a bit confused about this part:

In an earlier analysis of the trial arguments, Schow highlighted the weakness of the evidence against the men. A forensic pathologist testified that he found DNA traces from four of the men on her, which says nothing about whether they violated her:

DNA, however, can be left on a person’s body in any number of ways that do not include rape. They could have been deposited through contact via the man she agreed to have sex with, for example. She could have been near the men earlier and obtained the DNA traces.

I thought "DNA traces" in a rape investigation means semen. So... when they say "she could have been near the men earlier and obtained the DNA traces," do they mean it could have been a consensual gangbang? Cuz I don't think you're getting sperm on you from walking next to a guy randomly. And you'd think something about a consensual orgy would have turned up somewhere else in the investigation.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just semen, but any body fluids (like salivia for example) microscopic skin cells residue as well. Or hair, or anything else you could leave on the victim.

[–]make_monet_monet 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of all the false accusations you could find this is probably the shakiest one possible. Every new detail I found out makes me more and more convinced she wasn’t lying and those Israeli dirtbags are gang rapists.

[–]throwawayincelacc 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I thought. The taxi driver that was falsely accused because the bitch didn’t want to pay the bill or the guy that helped a woman with her broken down car. He didn’t even ask for payment afaik he just helped her and left. She still claimed rape. Those would be much better examples to use and upvote than this case.

[–]NecroHexr 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is such a garbage article. Let's look at some proper news sources which actually shares a good amount of info; it seems more complicated than it looks. Fuck this website

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/07/europe/ayia-napa-cyprus-british-woman-sentenced-intl/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/07/cyprus-case-british-teenager-given-suspended-sentence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/british-teen-who-recanted-gang-rape-claim-in-cyprus-is-given-suspended-sentence/2020/01/07/d566d972-30c4-11ea-971b-43bec3ff9860_story.html

[–]GreenyGaming 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah these articles seem much more informative.

She actually did get punished pretty harshly to be honest. A month in jail and a suspended sentence with a three year trial period is not nothing.

The bad thing here is, that her punishment was not a direct consequence of her actions, but due to the shitty police work and legal process.

In this way, the girl could blame the authorities for mishandling the case and show no remorse for her wrongdoing.

A great showcase, how the police and courts can rob the victims of justice AND punish the perpetrator in a way, that she becomes a victim too.

[–]SquirmyBurrito 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If she actually falsely accused 12 people of rape, she effectively got off with a slap on the wrists. A month in jail is laughable considering what her accusation would do to the accused if convicted.

[–]D-Feeq 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ITT: a bunch of mongs that can't read the article/do some research, claiming "this isn't right get rid of biased judges she will do this again".

You mean, she will get raped then coerced into a confession again?

[–]Evilcon21 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These judges who turn a blind eye to a woman accusing men for rape. Who are clearly innocent pisses the me hell off to no end.

This is why the law should be changed that makes both men and women equal in the eyes of the court. Especially the women getting punished as much as a guy would if they committed any crime.

[–]ryanxpe 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The laws are equal it's society only enforces the law to punish men based on gender card

[–]Managicall 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual stuff aside I'm wondering what 13 people were doing in one hotel room or were they just coming and going all hours of the night. Like seriously who puts up with that kind of crap. Your average dude just trying to get some sleep would be about ready to pull out a knife and start a little raping of their own.

And why is it always these weird Jewish/Israeli orgies? Is this the only way those clowns can knock a girl up? Seriously get some new blood into your genes. Bunch of blue blooded weirdos making us all look bad.

[–]haseo1997 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And they say men are privileged. 🤨

[–]a_guy_named_rick 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I honestly don't understand how a first world country can do this. You knowingly ruin several lives, in my country you get jail for that... America truly baffles me sometimes

[–]theyaremariotwins 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

America truly baffles me sometimes

None of this is American. That includes the "victim," the "suspects," the location of the "crime," and the investigatory and judicial bodies.

[–]Yipsta 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's much more to this story than the headline. It's nowhere near clear cut.

She went to report this to the police and was interrogated for 8 hours without a solicitor until she retracted the statement.

Do you honestly think this girl had consensual sex with 12 men in one night?

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you honestly think this girl had consensual sex with 12 men in one night?

protip: women sometimes do like group sex, too. Might not be in this exact event, but yeah - happens. So I dont find it impossible. You really cannot tell what she is into based on anything like looks.

[–]Hollen88 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article sucked and was obviously not trustworthy. The post from the military guy yesterday was a much better representation than this. I'll have to see other sources to decide if I believe this one or not.

[–]infonymfo1993 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The israelis apparently shouted, the brit is a whore, upon their return to Israel. Sounds like good guys!

[–]genericteenagename 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good article except for the Brock turner stuff. This is where men’s rights activists go wrong. Are women able to falsely accuse men of rape without consequences? Absolutely but that doesn’t mean there aren’t people who are actually rape victims

We have to assume innocent until proven guilty, and put it on the accuser to prove guilt, but we need to acknowledge when someone has been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

[–]GrumpyGayGuy -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, at this point in our societal development, should we change the old phrase "The boy who cried wolf" to "The woman who cried rape."?

Thanks to the 'Me Too' and the 'Believe Her' movements, only about 10% - 15% of the reported accusations are actually true.

[–]username001776 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Www.register-her.net

[–]Harnisfechten -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

b-b-b-but women don't lie about rape?

[–]MRRamming -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet she was blowing the judge

[–]Bratosch -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, say she'd gotten a couple of years in prison or a huge sum to pay to the accused man. How many do you think would come out afterwards and admit they've falsely accused someone? Sad as it is, punishing these f*cking cunts will only lead to other women not admitting to lying if the punishment is to much

[–]when_you_walkin -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At my school we actually talked about this in gender studies and we were told that they were cursing her in hebrew and were humiliating her so thats why she accused them, it almost sounded like they were trying to make us side with the accuser.

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[–]Oxabolt 33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see where your coming from, But wether they com foward or not, they stillcame close or ruined someones life

[–]retardedwhiteknight 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe we shouldnt believe all woman? i mean its an option too

[–]Anal_Zealot 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

So if a rapists comes clean we shouldn't punish him so other rapists won't fear of coming forward?

Falsely accusing someone of rape is essentially as bad as rape, it will ruin their entire lives.

[–]Itisme129 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree, but I can understand where he's coming from. Rape convictions often have little to no evidence other than what the woman says. So when they're lying, it's important to try and do what we can to get them to confess to their lie, so that we can free the innocent man. Better to let a criminal go free than to put an innocent person in jail kind of thing.

By punishing false rape accusers harshly, you're in effect going to keep innocent men in jail.

The better solution is to require hard evidence before convicting someone. Just one person's testimony shouldn't be enough. Like at all.

[–]carlsberg24 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard evidence should absolutely be required for convictions. That's a big problem right now that people get convicted of rape over dubious situations such as retroactive revoke of consent.

That being said, leniency for false accusers should apply only if they recant early and do so publicly. If someone gets convicted and then it turns out to be false, then the punishment should really be life in prison. Destroyed life for a destroyed life as even a person cleared after rape conviction is forever guilty in the eyes of the public.

[–]Anal_Zealot 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think law should at all be done like that but I can see where you are coming from.

[–]IronJohnMRA 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By punishing false rape accusers harshly, you're in effect going to keep innocent men in jail.

Most men are not released from prison on rape charges due to false accusers recanting. It's due to new evidence in the case like DNA. Punishing false accusers would discourage new false accusations resulting in fewer men in jail in the first place .

[–]newyorkrangers17-1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

False accusations of rape < rape. To say they're equal is a disservice to be honest.

But both are unequivocally fucking awful. We live in a reaction culture where it's easy to falsely accuse someone to ruin their lives, with little to no consequences - which is dog shit. But rape is a far worse crime, psychology-wise and physical wise. We shouldn't punish them equally, but we should actually punish those who come forward with proven false accusations. Not give them a pass because 'rape happens'

[–]Anal_Zealot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How so? Being falsely accused and convicted of rape is clearly worse than being raped. I'd rather be raped than be send to prison, have my career ruined and have my family think I am a rapist. How you could say otherwise is baffling to me and I'd honestly love to hear your argument for it.

[–]Harnisfechten -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

you're confident that being raped is worse psychologically than being falsely declared a rapist, losing family and friends, losing careers, losing reputation, losing years of your life in prison (possibly being raped and otherwise abused), being a convicted criminal and sexual predator, and ruining your life?

I can tell you right now, I'd rather get raped than be sent to prison for 5-10 years as a convicted sex predator.

[–]newyorkrangers173 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean, you assume just because a woman accuses you of rape you automatically go to jail. False accusations happen often, and it sucks when it does. But I have to assume that the justice system isn’t so flawed that every accusation = jail. Because lots of feminists complain about proven rapists NOT going to jail, along with the insanity of rape kits not being tested for years

[–]Anal_Zealot -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure law is mostly done by intent not by outcome. If you plan on murdering someone it's punished about as harshly as murder.

[–]Harnisfechten -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not assuming that. I know it's not automatic. BUT, it seems to happen frequently enough to be a concern, not to mention that even without jail, the false accusation always comes with destruction of reputation, job loss, etc.

[–]newyorkrangers173 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not disagreeing with the outcome. But realize the flip side of the coin also sucks hard. Especially when women who ARE raped see their convictors walk free with no repercussions

[–]Harnisfechten -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd rather see a criminal walk free than an innocent person thrown in prison.

[–]newyorkrangers171 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I concur. I'm just saying we should take some sympathy and look at the other side.a lot of Feminists largely don't. We shouldn't stoop to their level

[–]ndragotta 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. The best thing is NOT “no punishment”

[–]Harnisfechten 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

people shouldn't be downvoting you. I get your intent there, the idea being you want other false-accusers to confess and get innocent people's records cleared.

the problem is that if you don't punish false accusations, there's no reason for cruel or vindictive women to not do it.

but maybe you have a kernel of truth there. maybe we don't punish the specific act of making a false accusation, but impose a punishment based on the time it took for you to fess up. So if you make a false accusation, and the next week you regret it and confess, it would be fairly minor. But if you make a false accusation and the guy spends 10 years in prison, and they find new evidence that exonerates him, you'd be screwed. possibly face prison time yourself.

the other side of this is 1) we need better protections for people facing accusations. and 2) we need better compensation for victims of false accusations.

[–]masonmason22 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I worded it badly, I just want to reduce the number of innocent people in jail.

[–]Derangedcity 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Punishments for those who don't come forward? What does that even mean?

[–]Dontdoabandonedrealm 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Punishments for those who don't come forward?

Probably means punishments for women who refuse to recant about their lying.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

false accusers won't want to come forward and admit it

Most false accusers don't come forward even without punishment. Men cleared of false rape charges are released typically due to new evidence in the case. Usually, DNA.

[–]DukeOfCrydee -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those guys are incredibly lucky that they are such douchebags that they filmed it and sent it to their friends.

Those videos were passed all around Israel and we all saw that it was definitely not a rape.

So this is a rare event where douchebaggery saved their lives.

[+]The_Invader_Kilz -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's laughable that the article compares this bitch to the PoS Brock Turner who got the same lenient sentence for raping an unconscious woman. I fail to see it as a legitimate comparison. Yes, he will be forever registered as a sex offender, but she didn't rape anyone, she lied about being raped. Are we saying that lying to police should carry the same sentence as rape?

I agree with the idea that false accusers should be put on the register, but lying and raping are different offences and rightly should be punished differently, even if it feels unjust.

[–]Hollen88 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not the same punishment, but this lie can totally destroy someone. Rape takes a part of someone that they can never get back. Feeling safe, feeling in control, trust in people, trust in the justice system, mental health problems, virginity, and so on. It does horrible lasting damage.

You can say a lot of the same for victims of false accusations. There will be a significant amount of people who will always wonder if the person actually rapped someone. Job loss, mental health disorders, loss of friends and family, peoples trust in you, their own trust in the justice system, kicked out of school, etc. It has real tangible destructive effects on men who go through it. A lot of time with zero recourse, even with a confession. Some women have done it multiple times.

We all want rape to be a thing of the past but it never will be. No normal person is OK with rape. We all have an instinct to protect women. It's time we start to give a shit about men too. We are intelligent and don't need to be controlled by instinct, yet here we are.

[–]Hello-there-yes-you 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape is far worse than false accusations of rape but you are talking about it like its nothing, there are people who have been locked up for years sometimes decades and others are even killed because of them.

[+]Sung123456 -10 points-9 points-8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A women is raped every sec by the male patronage.

[–]immortalsperm 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Go milk a cow, with your rape culture.

[–]Sung123456 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean the patronage rape culture

[–]IIHotelYorba -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

E Q A L I T Y

[–]littlelucy666 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this shit makes me so unbelievably mad

[–]candidly1 -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

UK? Good thing she didn't accuse muslim guys; she'd be in prison the rest of her life...

[–]AndyWR10 -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People will probably still believe her if she does it again

[–]SoggyIcyDonut -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Character assassination yadda yadda

[–]SoggyIcyDonut -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Character assassination yadda yadda

[–]kodeineKrazy -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"judge refuses to punish her" This is why people think that they can keep getting away with this shit!

[–]123_ACAB -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eventually these will lead to people taking justice into their own hands.

You can't willfully try to ruin the lives of innocent people and face no consequences. Eventually someone is going to snap and just murder the bitch that does this in the middle of a courtroom as she gets let off.

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