What's an issue to do with gender/dating/relationships that you feel gets overlooked on this sub and in the wider world?

Whodunnit88 · 2018-09-12T15:39:16+00:00

Things that don't get a lot of attention but you feel they should do because to you they are actually important....

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Unless you’ve been out there sucking way more dicks than you let on, your internal lived experiences are anecdotal as fuck.

Here’s another. My hoe friend lucey was dating this objectively studly Jesus Lumberjack dude who gutted and refurbished (post hurricane) houses for a living. A do gooder entrepreneur. He was one of those people who had one of those leadery vibes men and women felt, like I genuinely admired the guy. Made furniture in his spare time, gorgeous stuff.

Apparently he was good for exactly one (excellent, admittedly) bang per week AT MOST. Like he was just on his house and furniture grind all day and that was what got him waking in the morning. She was going insane bc she just needed it way more frequently. He was a low libido partner in her eyes.

Me? I’m an effete twink dandy. I don’t care about the concept of masculinity outside needing to demonstrate just enough of it socially and sexually. And I’m a total sex fiend.

Who’s more of a man? I have zero Hesitation saying lumberjack jesus.

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Here’s another. My hoe friend lucey was dating this objectively studly Jesus Lumberjack dude who gutted and refurbished (post hurricane) houses for a living. A do gooder entrepreneur. He was one of those people who had one of those leadery vibes men and women felt, like I genuinely admired the guy. Made furniture in his spare time, gorgeous stuff.

Same!!! I have friends of mine who are muscular and aesthetic as fuck, and girls they date eventually dump them because the guys are too busy mirin' themselves at the gym to fuck, or they simply don't want pussy that much, maybe like 2 times a week, and they don't even watch porn so it's not like porn is killing off their sex drives.

Meanwhile, I'm a twink -> http://img28054.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18316_skinny_122_1045lo.JPG

And when I'm in a relationship with my ideal girl -> https://78.media.tumblr.com/cb3ba67a35d2d7dda04c06498ca8ea8c/tumblr_mq18e26RRM1rac2vuo1_500.png

I go at it 5 times a day. And I ain't lasting only some 5 minutes, fuck that shit, it's offensive for a girl to have a guy only bang her for 5 minutes.

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There is no such thing as a low libido man. No such animal.

My boyfriend [24m] never wants to have sex with me [25f] and I'm tired of it

At the start of our relationship (first couple months), we'd have sex a couple times a week at most. That quickly deteriorated and now we only have sex maybe once every month or once every 2 months. We actually haven't had sex in over 3 months now. I use to try initiating a couple times a week and his excuses were always the same: that he's tired, stressed out, or just wasn't in the mood. I feel like he's always stressed out about something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/74r9tr/my_boyfriend_24m_never_wants_to_have_sex_with_me/

My boyfriend won't sleep with me

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This is a crosspost from r/relationships, I was told to come here.

Relationship is nearly 4 months old.

I guess I'll start by saying that my own sex drive is very high, as well is my level of experience. My boyfriend says that his is lower than it once was (of course at 21 this surprised me), and from what he's told me he's had sex twice quite drunkenly with no emotion involved.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/7lzyo0/my_boyfriend_wont_sleep_with_me/

Boyfriend [26m] has practically stopped having sex with me[25 f]

Relationships 📷

We've been dating for ~7months. He comes over every weekend, we used to have sex every night he came over (honeymoon phase I suppose). Starting ~2 months ago we would have sex once or twice a weekend, then only once, now we haven't has sex in almost 2 weeks. When we had sex 75% of the time I was the one who initiated it.

Edit***: He also claims that he does not masturbate. And I do often. I also have tried wearing lingerie and taking sexy pictures but he usually doesn't respond to it at all.***

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/3uuvcv/boyfriend_26m_has_practically_stopped_having_sex/

And that's from reddit alone, from search engines I get thousands of threads from young women complaining that their boyfreinds has a low sex drive.

No, men don't have a "reactive" sex drive. Ours is aggressive and spontaneous and ready to go.

Not really. My sex drive is reactive. I'm surrounded by attractive young women on my day-to-day life that are mirin' but my sex drive only truly comes alive when I spot a woman who is my ideal type -> https://78.media.tumblr.com/cb3ba67a35d2d7dda04c06498ca8ea8c/tumblr_mq18e26RRM1rac2vuo1_500.png

Then yes, my sex drive comes alive and go on to pursue and charm and woo the chick, but other than that, it's pretty calm, although when I'm in a relationship I fuck 5 times a day, but that's because I get with my ideal type and that's enough fuel to make me feel like I'm 14 once again. Most young men I know are also the same. I don't interact with men who lack options.

But, no, you, a woman, you go ahead and tell me more about the male sex driv

Since the men on this sub have the habit of speaking for the whole of the male gender and THE FEMALE gender(DAE WOMEN ONLY WANT CHAD AND WOMEN ARE HYPERGAMOUS) I think she has the right to state her piece.

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No, men's sexuality is not reactive. It's aggressive and predatory and pursues and chases.

No, pursuing a woman and being respectful of her while doing her is not aggressive nor is predatory, unless we are talking about men pursuing women much younger than them, or men going after women who pretty clearly aren't interested in being pursued by those guys, or when the guys get told no and they continue to bother the woman.

weighs 400 pounds.

Do you really believe every guy who is alive and not chasing pussy 24/7 has something wrong with him? Or is it the guy who wakes up at 6AM and until the second he goes to bed all he does is stare at women/pursue women/chase after pussy/talk endlessly about women and what women ''are doing'' with other men. that has something deeply wrong with him?

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Third wave feminism encouraged sexual liberation under the assumption that because men do it, they should do it too. What they left out is that there are really two camps of men when it comes to sticking your dick in whatever moves - there's the party dudes and then there's the not party dudes - and they don't really mix in an oil and water kind of way.

Yeah, they'll be friends, they'll work together, and laugh at the stories...but you always have to keep a skeptical eye on those dudes with your girlfriend or wife. You don't really trust them. A lot of them are impulsive and that's a good way to get caught up in some shit that isn't yours to get caught up in. The only guys that really celebrate that kind of behavior in guys are either other party dudes or dudes who want to be that guy.

And you see the result in male-female dynamics. "Why does he think it's gross that I slept with 100 guys!? I'm a sexually liberated woman!" Great. Be sexually liberated somewhere else. A not party guy who's only slept with 4-5 women in his life just assumes she's easy or has low standards, which is easy to interpret that he's easily replaceable. It goes back to that age old wisdom, "You can't turn a hoe into a housewife." Can't gamble half your pay, pension, and savings on that.

It's strange how so many people swallowed up the "you can do anything you want and shouldn't be judged for it!" narrative. People always judge, most just do it behind your back instead of to your face.

EDIT: Clarified some language.

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Regardless, this idea that women are out their fantasizing about some dude they fucked just really isn't the thing the manosphere makes it out to be. I don't think women in general think like that. Maybe some who routinely engage in and like casual sex for sex's sake but again I think that's a small minority.

How many nights a week do you go to the club? How many musical festivals do you attend? How many guys do you meet off tinder and bumblr? Young, attractive women really do fantasize about the guys they sleep with, and yes, the majority of ATTRACTIVE young women are taking part in casual sex as we speak right now.

Men think about the women they slept with. Or the women they want to sleep with, while having sex with other women, and women are the same way. At least that's how the women I was rejected by in nightclubs and befriended are like, but then again, I seem to either be drawn or to draw women with high sex drives. I have no idea how women with the sex drive of nuns are like.

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Men are polygamous.

This is true. Most men would have harems of 50+ women in those harems if they could get away with it, as you see how men of very high value(Turkish Sultans, Egyptian Pharaohs) had hundreds of women in their harems, that's highly impressive, and when you realize how physically superior Ramssess II was compared to the average Egyptian man(he was 5 inches taller, naturally muscular, had wide shoulders, an angular jawline with high cheekbones, a full head of hair, and considering how the dude still had all of his teeth albeit very damaged when he died in his 90s, Imma go ahead and assume he had perfect teeth in his youth) you know that all of those hundreds of women were getting as wet as the great deluge whenever he'd enter his harem.

Women tend to be serial monogamists. Note that I said serial monogamy, not monogamy.

Nah, women are polygamous too, and they want 3 to 5 high value men to have sex with at any given time, it's just that society and every culture instills in women a very deep fear of being called a slut and being treated like trash.

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And this is where I say men project.

If the sex I’m having with my current partner is good , I don’t have memories of other people.

Secondly, as a woman, “satisfactory” sex isn’t a word we use. ^{(Sex is either good or better not had for us. Only men have this view that "Sex is like pizza. Even if it's blah or bad it's still worth it."})

If a woman describes her sex as that or thinks of it as “good enough” we will wonder if we’re aroused aroused.

And finally women talk.

Virgin wives with other virgin wives. Recently departed virgins with her non virgin friends.

And if a woman feels even slightly “eh” about her sexual experience she’s going to compare notes with her female network of friends, aunts, cousins, and even her mom and grandmom.

I’m sorry Exit. We just disagree here lol. No matter how you frame it, I’ve had discussions with the women you’re talking about. I was the woman you’re talking about.

I know this unnerves men, but women never need some acute frame of reference to subconsciously feel “this should or could feel better” or “I could or should desire this a bit more.”

Especially in the day and age where women grow up seeing visuals of women in complete and total ecstasy.

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Yes please deny the lived experiences of people. Again I HAVE NOT personally experienced this. I can just read and observe reality. Nor am I saying this happens ALL the time to EVERYONE. It just HAPPENS. Period.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-I-do-if-my-boyfriend-said-to-me-that-his-ex-is-prettier-than-me

https://www.quora.com/My-boyfriend-told-a-friend-his-ex-was-the-best-woman-in-his-life-Should-I-confront-him

https://www.quora.com/My-husband-told-me-that-his-ex-girlfriend-is-better-for-him-than-anyone-else-What-should-I-do

https://www.quora.com/My-girlfriend-told-me-that-her-ex-is-more-physically-attractive-in-every-way-How-do-I-make-peace-with-this

https://ask.metafilter.com/306545/Girlfriend-told-me-Im-not-the-best-sex-shes-had

http://www.dearcupid.org/question/my-fiance-said-her-ex-was-a-better.html

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Where did I say that?

It's why guys who are dating a girl sometimes get insecure when they hear from others about how big the ex's dick was or how much crazier and passionate their sex was compared to his current life

Here, why would men hear this tho? From who? and why? I was pointing out that THIS is stupid.

No it is not common to tell your current partner about your ex's dick size, because most people aren't that fucking stupid, they however can still think it though.

also grossly overestimating how much women care about dick size. that's definitely something men care about more than most women.

You Niggas really can't read.

I don't think the problem is our reading comprehension, I think it's your inability to say on topic and provide actual and related sources behind your claims.

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"How many men you had sex with?"

And then you go from there.

You apparently would be amazed at what they tell us. It just comes out. Liquor her up. Get her relaxed. Just talking about things. Sometimes you don't even have to actually ask the question. SOmetimes it's because she asked me "how many women have you fucked" mainly because she wanted to get a bead on whether she thinks I'm an STD risk, I guess, or because she wanted to make sure she wasnt' dealing with a choirboy virgin.

I mean, what? Have you never had a conversation with a guy you were fucking about other guys you fucked or your past experiences? Iv'e never had a relationship, long or short term, where that conversation was NOT had.

This entire idea that couples never ever have this conversation; it's never ever talked about , ever, is completely alien to me.

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You apparently would be amazed at what they tell us. It just comes out. Liquor her up. Get her relaxed. Just talking about things.

It's strange to me that you want women to tell you these things. That's all. We just clearly have different ways of vetting potential partners. Mine doesn't usually include getting them drunk.

mean, what? Have you never had a conversation with a guy you were fucking about other guys you fucked or your past experiences? Iv'e never had a relationship, long or short term, where that conversation was NOT had.

Not since I was in college. My current partner has never asked me.

This entire idea that couples never ever have this conversation; it's never ever talked about , ever, is completely alien to me.

I'm not doubting that couples talk about how many people they've had sex with. I know it IS important to some people. Anything past that though, (what the sex was like, dick size, performance in anyway, passion etc.) I don't believe is common because ??? why would you fuck or be with someone who sucked at sex? I think it's a given that it was probably pretty good or you wouldn't have continuously fucked them.

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"This is THE best sex I'm having"

And the more partners there are the less likely that will be true.

i hate to be anecdotal, but i have to say this

this is just not true at least in my case. high sociosexuality people tend to get with other high sociosexuality people and also to be more sexually disinhibited and i would GUESS to be more easily sexually aroused/stimulated

i have had sex with LOTS of men and i never experienced this "lessening" of quality of sex over time--its just not how it works and i dont understand why anyone would think it is. if anything, sex for me got better and better with age and experience, when i was young and promiscuous (teens) i was still extremely inhibited about my body and genitals and doing certain sex acts, always worrying what i LOOKED like during sex to my partners more than my own pleasure etc. also younger men are WAY worse lovers than older men

so i mean, i cant speak for all promiscuous women and im certainly not trying to, but this just SO doesnt gibe with my experience i have to at least relate it

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This idea that young promiscuous women are having the best sex of their lives orgasming on huge alpha dick is pure male fantasy.

Oh, right, women are having the best sex of their lives with men with average-sized dicks, amirite? Lol, dude, if a dude's dick isn't impressive, what's even the point? I mean, I get it, I eat good pussy, I get sexual pleasure from making chicks cum time and time again, I love to eat ass, and I love foreplay that goes on for 30 minutes or more, and I never put it in before I make sure the girl has properly orgasmed several times, but I suppose that's how most men are.

It's just - how is a girl supposed to be impressed by a dude if he pulls off his Cristiano Ronaldo CR7 special edition signed shorts an average cock, that isn't 2 to 3 times above averageness in thickness??????

I mean, if girls don't care about cock size, why is it that the chicks I end up sexting with, the first thing they ask is not, ''AYY BOY LEMME SEE YOU SHIRTLESS'' or '' BRAH DOES UR FACE EVEN LIFT LET ME SEE'' but instead they ask how big my cock is, or ask to see pictures of said cock???

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, I’ve talked to you about this before and seen you talk about it with others.

I don't remember you talking to me about this before.

I mean, from what I recall I've only been accused of being a closeted homosexual once, and that was from you, and I ressent the fact that I get accused of downlow homosexuality while we have a huge group of red pillers and black pillers who keep talking about chad and no one ever calls them gay.

Now my sensitive feelings are going to be stirred for a while and I'll need to watch MTV my sweet 16 or something to feel better.

you talk like you’re writing erotica sometimes, it makes me a little uncomfortable.

hahahahaha, not quite the state of mind to be in when you're at work or in school, huh. Yeah, so I've been told.

Anyway, my original comment you responded to wasn’t even supposed to imply anything about whether women like big dicks or not. I was saying that the sexual experiences of young women are very different from how a lot of men here seem to think. They’re not constantly orgasming on big dick OR small dick, or even at all.

Yeah? And what are those sexual experiences of young women that are very different from how a lot of men here seem to think? It's easy for a guy to be good with his lips, tongue and fingers, but that ain't gonna make him feel masculine or hot or desireable, because a lesbian can do what he did, and she can probably do it better. Now if a dude was about to pull out a meat baseball bat from his shorts - that would impress and possibly scare a little bit the woman who is looking at that.

And considering that we are dudes, human beings, and as such it's natural for guys to have insecurities, the thought of the girls having been with guys whose dick is 8 inches + and thick is quite... disheartening.

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I understand why they’re insecure about it, it’s just to an irrational extent

Nah, it might seem like an irrational extent to you, but it's not. To a man the size of his dick is paramount to his sense of masculinity. What do women call us when they want to insult us? Small dick. Do they call that to a guy who is walking around with an 8 incher? Of course not.

And having a big dick can get a guy a lot of ass(girl-ass). Years back I was in a social group, and one of the girls in that group hooked up with a dude with a big cock, from our social group, and the girls talked amonst each other and the guy ended up banging the 10 girls of that group because they were so curious about getting smashed by a 8 incher, something they had never been smashed by. He wasn't tall. He wasn't handsome. He wasn't muscular.

Cock size means everything to a lot of women!

Women have similarly irrational insecurities, myself included.

oh, please. Women don't have insecurities about their bodies. Women who are overweight are overweigtht because they want to be, but these pretty girls walking around telling me when the bra comes off or the panties come off, that they don't feel pretty, that they don't like their boobs or how they think their vaginas are ugly?? OMG. Stop lying to me, girls, you girls know you are hot so why are you complaining, seriously, low self-esteem is not arousing.

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Do you guys live in some utopia fantasy land or something? Jesus christ LMFAO

https://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/sex/id-rather-have-sex-with-my-cheating-ex-than-with-my-devoted-boyfriend/

https://ravishly.com/2016/01/12/why-you-should-never-compare-sex-partners

https://www.bolde.com/best-sex-current-boyfriend-ruining-relationship/

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/3qo7gj/my_boyfriend_28m_feels_bad_because_i_28f_told_him/

http://realitychick.com.au/i-miss-sex-with-my-ex-and-its-killing-my-current-relationship/

https://www.elitedaily.com/dating/sex/how-to-get-over-someone-good-in-bed/1720834

https://nypost.com/2012/11/25/nobody-marries-their-best-sex-ever/

http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/390046/question_girlfriend_had_tons_of_sex_with_her_ex/

http://www.dearcupid.org/question/my-fiance-said-her-ex-was-a-better.html

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ureport/story/2001254115/what-to-when-you-think-about-your-ex-while-having-sex-with-your-spouse

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/48rh3a/i_23f_miss_my_ex_23m_sexually_and_it_hurts_my/

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/I-Cant-Stop-Thinking-About-My-Ex-It-Was-The-Best-Sex/#.aqzo5f09w

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/01/10/24792384/savage-love-letter-of-the-day-my-ex-was-wrong-for-me-but-the-sex-was-perfect

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/ureport/story/2001269443/when-your-ex-was-cruel-but-good-in-bed

(Ain't just women either) https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/271650/my-girlfriend-is-my-soulmate-but-sex-with-my-ex-is-so-good-2/

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110430111134AAoD6Bc

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080507014333AAAEm0y

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121201150145AAdC6xd

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130116062407AAK7m3w&guccounter=1

https://www.quora.com/Why-am-I-so-insecure-because-my-wifes-ex-boyfriend-has-a-big-penis

https://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/67jy83/i_lied_my_ex_is_much_bigger/

https://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/7ve9kx/sometimes_i_wish_my_boyfriend_had_a_bigger_penis/

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/iuarc/my_girlfriend_has_been_with_bigger_guys_and_i/

http://www.dearcupid.org/question/do-girls-think-about-their-exs-penis.html

For fucks sake, I'VE never experienced this but I'm not solipsistic enough to pretend this shit never happens, what planet do you guys live on??

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I think there's not enough acknowledgment that most men's focus becomes more provident and less thrillseeking as they age. They start preferring to do things like sleep/fuck in actual beds most of the time, wake up to a clean kitchen, not have to deal with crazy shit, put money away for retirement, have savings, own their own house etc. Thus the urge to pair up in order to have a better standard of provisioning isn't only a girl thing... it is also overwhelming a lower middle class to upper working class male thing. Guys aren't encouraged to express this as bluntly as women in part because there's a little shame at not having enough money themselves that they can just solve all a girl's problems if they wish to, but you can tell it is still there, the desire to pool resources to have a better life and the desire to avoid women with lots of debt and poor earning capacity.

In other words, the majority of men in the market for a cohabiting or marriage relationship are looking for a beta bucks woman who also happens to be fuckable. Which rather does recast the "don't be a beta bucks" advice to men as being very much suitable only for higher income men. The majority of men working ordinary jobs would do well to accept that if they form a life pairing it will be very much for the purpose of both getting it together to manage to pay for everything. If they ask more from women in this regard than they are willing to give themselves (he must be the most attractive man she has ever known!) then they'll end up paying in some other way.

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The upper middle class more easily get to choose why they pair up because they can afford a wider range of arrangements in their life. As do, oddly enough, the lumpenproleteriat... who really can't afford anything so being provident tends to be less often a thing chosen because it is the clearly best choice and more chosen out of pure stubborn doggedness.

A lot of times if we look at what the UMC do choose out of all the options available, we see they choose their life partners with a sense of continued belonging to the UMC in mind. They want themselves and their children to continue to be part of the UMC social scenes, economic world and culture in a world that is quite willing to take that away. So if the family is dripping with money it may be more important a marriage brings contacts and confirming to social expectations, if a family has less money then money becomes more important. Those who families who don't attend to this eventually end up losing their hold on their social class and being flung out of their class either by economic or social forces. The can easily have things that don't help them hold onto status (marry a Hooters waitress or an unemployed working class writer who never seems to complete anything, a spouse with no career or ambition, a spouse with no family or social contacts) but those who do choose that end up not UMC families pretty damn quick.

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You ever been on a carnival ride that spins real fast, called in many places the gravitron? That's a bit like the class system. If you're at the centre and don't move away from the centre, just work normal hard and do what is expected you tend to stay there unless there's a revolution or you get sabotaged. Take a small step away, you feel the pull, take another step, more pull. Eventual result is being pulled to the outside, pressed hard and unable to get back. Sometimes the carnival ride slows, this usually happens during periods of economic expansion, it gets easier to get to the centre. Sometimes it speeds up, these are times of great social inequality.

So pretty much if someone takes a step away from the UMC they are going to have to work real hard and be real strong to get back. And maybe they won't get back. Maybe that one step they took away from being UMC, in combination with other forces, will be enough to fling them away totally.

This is why I raise a quizzical eyebrow when I hear TRP guys going on about how only appearance matters in choosing wives, earning capacity and social connections don't matter. Something up with those TRPers. They really don't get it, and if they are UMC they will soon be on their way out of the UMC, they are clueless and will raise their sons clueless.

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The fact is you just have to move to a city preferably college/university neighborhood to meet lots of women. Most of the hot girls leave the suburbs for greener pastures when they turn 18 and go to college.

Also if you’re not creating a game plan to get out of your parents house when you’re 18/19/20 you need to get your shit together and prioritize... unless you have a family member with an unfortunate medical condition where you need to be there, it’s a drag living at home.

Get a cheap place with a few friends even if it’s in a crappy part of town. Plus it’s good to just get used to being independent as a young guy.. paying bills, rent, building credit etc.. I didn’t start doing this til I was 27 and think to myself “why didn’t I do this when I was younger”.. was nice having extra money and not paying life expenses but being broke drives you to be ambitious and hustle too.

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Yes, sadly most people can't see past their belly button, and don't give a shit about anyone outside of Europe and the USA and Australia.

The solution in my mind to all of this? Selective breeding. Allow only the best specimens -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERT_7u5L0dc

of men and women to reproduce, deny the rest of them any reproductive rights because reproduction is a privildege, not a right, and then over the time that it takes to slowly cater for specific traits(let's make those men in the ring be 6'6'') slowly replace the population in the western world with taller, more beautiful, fit, healthy and charming emn and women.

Bro, like I've told you already. Most women alive today are oppressed by men, aight.

But why can't every man be a superhuman Adonis?

Why can't we have a vast majority of men look like men SHOULD and MUST look like to fully deserve women?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/4a/1e/024a1ec5030700e1bb4acab374b8c313.jpg

I'll tell you why, because betas stole from mother nature the original plan, which was for only the best male specimens to reproduce, and created marriage and monogamy to make sure every loser could get some pussy, and that's why we have this catastrophic wave after wave of men who are 18 and suffer from heart conditions, astmha, diabetes, or how short and unaesthetic so many men are!

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There is no point talking to me about anything beyond western society, I am not interested in it. Would your selective breeding be racially based? I'm genuinely curious, I don't want to be banned for asking that. Your plan would involve a significant thinning of the entire population, men and women, so next time you go on about oppression, remember that. True selective breeding only works if you make it so the best specimens, men and women, breed. Only focusing on men will not work. You just described why monogamy exists, it's a security net for betas and it helps civilization advance. But you're very mistaken if you think that shaming guys on the internet will change any of this. Feminists have tried that for years and look how bitter they are that it didn't work. Only by selective breeding of good men and good women together will any of your plans come to fruition.

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Would your selective breeding be racially based?

No.

I don't care about a man's colour or race, or a woman's what I care about is the quality of the genetic legacy those people have inside of them. I would have Usain Bolt -> https://c1.hoopchina.com.cn/uploads/star/event/images/160223/c49a18b3887cfc48d5e69230bdffa8e6c4ffb823.jpg impregnate thousands of women, just as much as I would have Cristiano Ronaldo -> https://attitude.co.uk/media/images/2016/07/O4z3kr0-1024x681.jpg also get as many thousands of women as possible pregnant, and in the same vein, I'd love if this guy -> https://cde.peru.com//ima/0/1/3/2/7/1327033/611x458/omar-borkan-al-gala.jpg

Went on to get as many women as possible pregnant, and no, I don't intend for them to only reproduce with women from their own races, but with women from every race and colour and ethnicity under the sun, let us create supermen that will make one day, make Henry Cavill look average.

Your plan would involve a significant thinning of the entire population, men and women, so next time you go on about oppression, remember that. True

Well, for tens of thousands of years men pretty much fucked over women so, and to this day men are making the lives of women miserable all over the world. It's only fair that we balance the scales and make everyone get equally fucked.

True selective breeding only works if you make it so the best specimens, men and women, breed. Only focusing on men will not work

Which is why I support the concept of these men only reproducing with the most beautiful, youngest, and healthiest of women.

. Only focusing on men will not work. You just described why monogamy exists, it's a security net for betas and it helps civilization advance.

Civilization is just there to entrap women and men. Look at how many young men died during world war I and world war II because some old farts wanted to be the Alpha kings of the world.

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i couldnt wait to be in my 30's as i believe its my prime.

In my 30's or at least late 20's ill be regarded as a woman and I won't be as lost. Ill be grounded in who I am and what I want to do.

there are zero real rational reasons to think that you will suddenly be in your prime and way more grounded and know exactly what you will do and all that.

it's just optimistic wishful thinking fueled by the feel-good horseshit that pop culture and mass media shoves into women's brains to encourage them to buy stuff.

they know that women (and men) have lots of insecurities and fears. so they write songs or tv shows or movies or magazine articles with plots and stories that suggest that women will suddenly figure everything out and get their shit together and be grounded and respected and all that. and women watch or read or listen to these stories and it comforts them and makes them feel less insecure and afraid about the future. it appeals to their desires, so they naturally want more of it.

but they don't make all these tv shows and movies and whatnot about women hitting their prime in their 30s because it's accurate and realistic, they do it because it very strongly appeals to women with disposable income.

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No and no, you are just wrong. Im barley up to date with popular culture and I also don't feed into that bullshit and barley any celebs.

I know this because I KNOW I will be more grounded. I dont need popular mass media to tell me how to run my life or think. My debts will be paid off very soon,as i am aggressively paying it off, I can actually start saving my money/ investing and my career will be stable. I can worry about other things and start to live my life the way I want it. The way Western society has set up has destined young people to basically fail in all aspects whether it be financially or family planning goals. I will not be apart of the broke 30's, struggling, living paycheck to paycheck, in debt and trying to bring kids into the world. Im over the partying phase; drinking and staying up until 2am, getting hung over, going to work at a shitty PT job while juggling school and think I am "living my best life" that brings 0 satisfaction and growth. Until I become financially independant from the system and not living like every basic bitch I will continue to do so and that means again, not meeting that goal until I am in my late 20's early 30's bc its not realistically attainable now.

But you must think the world revolves around woman slutting themselves up until they are 28. Thats why you feel the need to bring up mass media propaganda and believeing I feel this way bc I am relying soley on the looks of prime years to gain a respectable grounded life. That i am somehow hoping I can hold on to that until I find someone beta enough to take care of me and all my baggage from the years of not thinking about my future and fucking Chads in bathroom stalls. Right?

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Im barley up to date with popular culture and I also don't feed into that bullshit and barley any celebs.

but you have friends and family and coworkers and acquaintances right? socialize and interact with other people? participate in discussions on the internet? get exposed to advertisements?

even if you're not directly on the receiving end of all these messages, you're still receiving them indirectly through other people and society at large. so many people are getting exposed to it that it seeps into our collective beliefs and conventional wisdom, and from there it influences pretty much everyone.

I know this because I KNOW I will be more grounded.

congrats on paying off your debts and career success and outgrowing the party phase and all that. honestly, that's a good thing and you seem to have your shit together.

but be careful about assuming that everything is goint to work out perfectly and be good forever. and don't count your chickens before they hatch. things like happiness and contentment and a sense of personal fulfillment really have to come from within you. a lot of people find out that just achieving their particular goals isn't enough, it's really about the process of making positive progress towards goals. once you reach whatever goals you have now, you'll probably want a new set of goals to keep striving for.

But you must think the world revolves around woman slutting themselves up until they are 28. Thats why you feel the need to bring up mass media propaganda and believeing I feel this way bc I am relying soley on the looks of prime years to gain a respectable grounded life, and I am somehow hoping I can hold on to that until I find someone beta enough to take care of me and all my baggage from the years of not thinking about my future and fucking Chads in bathroom stalls. Right?

not at all. it's because i've studied human psychology, advertising, mass media, persuasion and influence at high levels and know how this all works. and ive known a lot of girls who have had that same type of attitude about how their 30s will be the prime of their life and all that and seen how it turns out.

i have no idea if you've ever fucked a Chad in a bathroom stall or want to marry a beta or any of that.

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even if you're not directly on the receiving end of all these messages, you're still receiving them indirectly through other people and society at large.

Of course but when you start the view in the world in a society that gains profits off of brainwashing the entire society at large not only through mass media but waves of production throughout history you start to see society in a different way and become aware of your surroundings. Think of taking the red pill but for society (Matrix) which getting bck to the point of our other conversations - I know that is what TRP stems to do, but I believe it fails in someways. I look at things objectively and while there are some things I agree with, there are some I just cannot and maybe its bc im a woman? Failing to understand how the male mind can put two unrelated things together and believe it is down right fact. I am a very open minded person, i guess I seem to forget that others are not. Which is why I do not join tribe like mentalilty by labeling myself to specific groups.

but be careful about assuming that everything is goint to work out perfectly and be good forever

Trust me, I know it won't be perfect and I know that my 20's were rough trying years so I don't think my 30's will be a walk in the park. Financial/emotional/physical stability will never be 100% and im prepared for that. I mean being my prime as in having aleast a solid foundation I know I am working towards and my mind will be at ease from focusing on the basics. I wont be a lost puppy in that regard.

once you reach whatever goals you have now, you'll probably want a new set of goals to keep striving for.

Of course. Ive taken the snowball effect and applied it to every aspect of my life. In my late 20's i will probably become a wife and hopefully a mother. Two completley new identities with two completly different set of goals to reach but I am ok with that bc becoming both is truly beautiful and worth it all; to me.

it's because i've studied human psychology, advertising, mass media, persuasion and influence at high levels and know how this all works.

As have I, adding Sociology and specifically Sociological Social Psychology so im not a blank state making wild assumptions.

i have no idea if you've ever fucked a Chad in a bathroom stall or want to marry a beta or any of that.

Thanks for not trying to assume that. Though I have had my fun.

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IRL, they never would becuase it's a futile effort.

I would rather say that we don't do it because of social conventions: we don't offer unsolicited advice that might be considered offensive to strangers; and we don't ask strangers for advice regarding our intimate life; and both things coinciding leads to redpill ideas not shared openly. And this goes especially for men because we're less likely to overcome our resistance to appearing "weak", less likely to easily bond with other people of the same sex, and less likely to be socially adept enough to weave aforementioned offensive advice into our statements (and of course saying negative things about women is less acceptable than saying negative things about men).

In the virtual world however, due to anonymity, neither side damages his reputation. All this doesn't really apply that much to women, which leads to them being able to actually establish a real life support network and therefore not needing the internet.

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They aren't things that are fulfilling at face value.

I find many people on Reddit regurgitate opinions that are symptomatic of a culture of instant gratification, that wishes to 'debunk' nearly anything that may sound remotely traditional, and oft-times for the sake of intellectual posturing.

The idea that child rearing could be fulfilling is somehow controversial here. If that'd be the case, ask yourself why parents ever exceed the basic requirements for survival whilst providing for their offspring? Were they purely external motivations.?Morality? Ego? Biological self-interest? Or is there something at the base level of consciousness, something neurological that informs those externalities, providing us with a sense of fulfilment in creating a child and raising them beyond expectations, if not adequately at the very least.

Is it socially reinforced? No doubt. Is this 100% contrived by sociocultural pressures? Absolutely not.

There is definitely something extremely fulfilling about providing something to the next generation, and it is not only limited to reproduction.

BTW, fulfilment and pleasure aren't synonyms. That you can't seem to divorce the two concepts, is exactly what I find disconcerting. To be fair, you didn't say this explicitly, though it was heavily implied. So we will call my judgement a "reach," in the interest of avoiding prejudice.

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I find many people on Reddit regurgitate opinions that are symptomatic of a culture of instant gratification, that wishes to 'debunk' nearly anything that may sound remotely traditional, and oft-times for the sake of intellectual posturing.

We are a culture of instant gratification. We earned that right because for hundreds of years religion, the Church, and social stigma enforced by each other took away from people all of the pleasure, fun, and enjoyment out of life. Because it's ''wrong.'' Because it's ''the best for society and for western civilization to control women's sexuality.''

When my parents came of age, they went balls to the walls. Bisexual experiences for both my parents. Threesomes, foursomes, Orgies, swinger parties, drugs, tattoos, dressing like the opposite sex, anal, oral, everything that was frowned upon by my grandfathers and great-grandfathers because some retarded old fucks who lived thousands of years ago deemed the exploration of human sexualy to be sinful and wrong.

And that is what we need.

This day, in this era. We need to bring down the false lie that monogamy is. The vast majority of people ALIVE today are not biologically wired for lifelong monogamy. Serial monogamy, that's what we were all about, but the powers to be forced women to stay with their husbands for the rest of their lives, and now we must take the next step in human evolution, and have global polygamy, with the best physical specimens to be found among men to have harems of hundreds of attractive young women, to impregnate those women and to spread genes and assemble and create new sets of genetic data that one day will make Henry Cavill look average in comparison.

that wishes to 'debunk' nearly anything that may sound remotely traditional, and oft-times for the sake of intellectual posturing.

Oh, no, there's no intellectual posturing with me. If you ask my math teachers they'll always tell you that I'm dumb as shit, and I was too busy staring at girls tits and asses during class to ever pay attention and I've forgotten most of what I've learned.

Tradtion is a disease that needs to die off, there's nothing that pisses me off more than, like today, I was helping my mother clean and wash and do what was needed at her restaurant, and this old lady comes up and asks my mother if I have kids and why not, and when am I going to have kids.

Seriously? Lady. I'm an old man. I'm 28 years old. My sperm is old, the only people who should be having children are those who are in their late teens and early 20s as that's the prime time for children to be born healthy and to become aesthetic in the future.

And all the time is like that, it's not even just the old ladies, but every guy and every woman that knows me since I was a kid asking me when am I going to marry and have kids. Why? Why is a man's value taken from having kids? I am not 6 feet tall. I do not have the facial perfection that Tom Cruise has. There is no reason for me to make babies.

Were they purely external motivations.?Morality? Ego? Biological self-interest? Or is there something at the base level of consciousness, something neurological that informs those externalities, providing us with a sense of fulfilment in creating a child and raising them beyond expectations, if not adequately at the very least.

It's selfishness. Pure and simple. The middle-class and the lower classes think they have the right to have children, and every time I see news of ''more refugees moving to Europe'' I turn to my father and I say, ''you know there's an easy solution to all of that, right? castrate all of the men. Take the pretty women and introduce them to handsome European men, and send all of the average and ugly people back to their Countries of origin.''

The only people who have the right to breed are the tall, the handsome, and the rich. The rest are not adding anything to the aesthetics of the world.

There is definitely something extremely fulfilling about providing something to the next generation, and it is not only limited to reproduction.

If a doctor was to tell me that I have the genetic potential to create a living god -> https://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/684xflex/public/1486072744/020217-cristiano-ronaldo-shirtless-6.jpg?itok=AJi3P5aO

I would.

I would go around making babies in Africa and in the Middle east, and in Pakistan, and in South America. But the chances of me being able of creating such a glorious being are pretty much as much of a chance I have of ever fucking Hayden Panettiere.

(I'm not talking about the ugly midget btw)

BTW, fulfilment and pleasure aren't synonyms. That you can't seem to divorce the two concepts, is exactly what I find disconcerting. To be fair, you didn't say this explicitly, though it was heavily implied. So we will call my judgement a "reach," in the interest of avoiding prejudice.

Ehhh, there is only fulfillment in pleasure. There is only freedom in gorging yourself in drugs, alcohol, fast cars, bar fights, and sex. Pleasure is the reason why we were born(I'm pretty sure my father does foreplay) and all of our lives should be dedicated to the pursuit, and to the chase of 24/7 sensual, sexual, and emotional pleasure.

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You assume that it has to do with what society deems to be good. To you this may seem like an enlightened perspective, but IMO It reveals a disconnect from the basic and most fulfilling aspects of life,

Because it is. Marriage is not a good deal for women. They get pregnant and they ruin their bodies and they will never have that body they had at 16 again. They're stuck with only one man, instead of being free to getting laid with 3, 4 chads a month. Women waste away their youth on a dude, and that's just sad.

It reveals a disconnect from the basic and most fulfilling aspects of life

90% of all the women who've ever lived, managed to reproduce(duh). 40 to 60% with many of those cases probably being the guy getting the girl pregnant, in a nont consensual way, prove that men having children is just not all that normal as you think it is. It's mostly a luxury and privilidge reserved for elite men, as they monopolize several women at the same time. This monogamy nonsense is very recent to our species and it's not natural at all.

So, since I'm not a premier league, world-class soccer player, nor am I a male model - I do not have the right to reproduce.

It's deeply saddening to see this, and it's a perspective that is really popular on reddit.

What saddens me is that people still believe in love on reddit, when it's all biological, all pre-progamed emotional and sexual responses to women being wired to seek for the highest potential quality of genes in men.

"There is only fulfillment in pleasure" eh? It's doubtful.

Well, there's fulfilliment in not having to support a family nor a wife, and not being cheated on because I'm not in a relationship xD.

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haha, the world would be a much better place if people would follow my philosophy of Selfish Benovelence. By being selfish, I'm making the world a better place.

When I leave it, I will leave it without making it less aesthetic than it was when i got here, by having a son without Henry Cavill aesthetics. Because I'm not going to have children.

People's primary motivations are vain and exuberant lol. Every guy is looking out to get laid, like every girl is looking to get laid(with the hottest dudes), and the only reason people actually marry, well in women's case it's because in half of the world they're forced to do it, but over here in the west, it's because of those hilarious biological impulses to have children that end up ruining a woman's youth and beauty.

Beauty is everything, bro. There's nothing else in life that matters.

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No.

Beauty, the true definition of beauty is having the possibility and the means to create something that will bring peace and harmony to people as they look at the Object of Desire, and the only way to create it is to look like ->

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/3a/1b/a63a1b61961ff777d79c984daba07fd3.jpg

https://www.biography.com/.image/t_share/MTQyMjA5OTU2MTUyNjE1OTQ3/montgomery-clift_croppedjpg.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/to20o.jpg

If I had what those men have, beauty that would make even the ancient greek gods envious, I would be making 50+ babies with her -> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/96/d5/b696d53d408893981e61e4d2610156f9.jpg

And her -> https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5246/5313197039_64dfb115a2_b.jpg

And maybe her if I still have some duracell battery energy left -> https://images.adeex.in/2016/03/18/yuva-humsafar-dating-site_w7ho9pc_3.jpg

But since I'm only a 5/10 I better keep my genes for myself! There's already too much shit on dis world.

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TRPers are alive, for the most part, they have their health, and their mental faculties agree with their senses.

They have something to contribute to women, they have something to contribute to the world, as do you btw.

This may sound terrible; but please keep in mind that you only get stronger by failing repeatedly. Women may not necessarily vocalize it, but they desperately crave strength.

This is your advantage in life. You have had to struggle romantically, but in that you have the potential for a type of strength that many others may not have developed.

If you wear it well, you will find that you can hone it to your advantage.

You haven't had an easy go of it either, but you won't give up. Despite your limitations, you will work to transcend your circumstances.

As an aside, I could be mistaken, but I don't think that you're still responding to me purely to have a laugh. This may be a meditative exercise. I am being your devil's advocate, and my wish is to be that voice in your head that annoys you enough, such that you can say : " Fuck it, I'll give it a shot, if you it will shut you up!"

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TRPers are alive, for the most part, they have their health, and their mental faculties agree with their senses.

Considering the things they talk and write about.. I ain't thinking they have their mental faculties all in working condition.

They have something to contribute to women, they have something to contribute to the world, as do you btw.

They can contribute to the world with their taxes and with the services they provide at their jobs, but they have nothing to offer to women.That's why they're red pillers.

What would they have a reason to complain about, why would they become red pillers, if there were women who wanted whatever they have to offer if they have any?

as do you btw.

Bro, you are sweet! But no!

This may sound terrible; but please keep in mind that you only get stronger by failing repeatedly. Women may not necessarily vocalize it, but they desperately crave strength.

I'm pretty sure the men who've made it big in life have done so because their genetic material set them on the path for greatness. Alexander The Great, Napoleon Bonaparte, Tom Cruise, Henry Cavill etc.

Women may not necessarily vocalize it, but they desperately crave strength.

What women desperately crave for is this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp5A8CXyS_E

That very few selected Chads to get them pregnant and have perfect babies with. That guy alone would be wanted by hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of women everywhere in the world. With at the very least most women alive today on this earth thinking he's hot.

You haven't had an easy go of it either, but you won't give up. Despite your limitations, you will work to transcend your circumstances.

Bro, do I have news for you

😂 I'm lost in Guy-land https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guyland and although there are moments in my life when I look at a random girl in the street that truly appeals to my personal views of aesthetics, I find myself imagining what it would be like to be married to her and have kids with her, but I belong to a generation of men that is for the most part not good enough for these women, and they do deserve better, and all of this life of no responsabilities, sports, movies, music, and endless porn... shit it ain't so bad lol.

As an aside, I could be mistaken, but I don't think that you're still responding to me purely to have a laugh. This may be a meditative exercise. I am being your devil's advocate, and my wish is to be that voice in your head that annoys you enough, such that you can say : " Fuck it, I'll give it a shot, if you it will shut you up!"

haha, I respond to everyone. It would be rude not to, and people to spend time replying to my posts even if they do find my posts to be dumb, it's only common courtesy to reply back, even if I do disagree with what's being told to me.

hahaha, sure, I'll give it a shot, next time these girls stop smiling at me, and actually approach me.

I'll sooner become the President of the United States.

Have I mentioned that I'm European?

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Title	What's an issue to do with gender/dating/relationships that you feel gets overlooked on this sub and in the wider world?
Author	Whodunnit88
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Comments	303
Date	September 12, 2018 3:39 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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