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[–]Radicalmattitude1 91 points92 points93 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Can’t tell you how many times this has happened to me. Took me a long time to figure out how to manage emotional momentum at the club. Basically when you start dancing and making out with her, you’re effectively spiking her emotions. If you spike her emotions too much too fast, there’s nowhere to go but down. If you just keep taking her onto the dance floor and making out, it becomes a cheap trick that loses its effectiveness, the vibe starts to go down and she starts to “not feel it”.
Instead, you want to ride the wave by steadily building up the emotions and sexual tension over the night. Kiss her and then tease her back and forth slowly moving up towards passionate kissing. Always leave room to shift into a higher gear. It’s hard because making out and grinding feels good , but never get overly sexual and passionate at the club so that she’s always wanting more.
Only spike her emotions really high right before you’re about to leave. Then get her all hot and bothered so she’s ready to go home with you, be a leader and tell her “let’s get the fuck out of here”. Then just take her hand and take her home.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was trying to do this but failed.
[–]Radicalmattitude1 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All good G! That’s why we go out and practice this shit so you know for next time!
[–]cobraCL11 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sage advice! I concur. My feeling about the situation is that OP's approach may have been too aggressive.
Even if some good chemistry exists, escalating too quickly can be intimidating or trigger internal defense systems in a woman. You need to balance the interactions with other elements of connection (intellectual and emotional) and tease physical touch slowly to establish safety and encourage her appetite.
Neglecting to do that will automatically trigger her to slam the brakes.
[–]150420throwaway 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Makes sense, not OP, but how would you go about slowly increasing the tension?
Also, what if you can’t bring her back to yours because of location? Go to hers?
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve started consciously booking first dates either close to hers or mine. In this case, the club was close to my place.
[–]peduxe 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you got money just book a motel really.
If she’s comfortable to bring you to her home that’s a good thing. It’s a safe place for her and that’ll certainly be a good factor in the sex being great.
[–]Radicalmattitude1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
To build sexual tension use push-pull. It basically means alternating between showing affection/approval and being cold/challenging. Pull could be something like complimenting her or hugging her. Push could be something like Disagreeing with her opinion or acting aloof. The idea is that if you’re all pull, you come off as needy, if you’re all push, you’re just a dick. Mixing it up makes it interesting and fun for her.
You want to start off the night with light push-pull and build your way up to more aggressive push-pull as the night goes on to build up the sexual tension.
[–]150420throwaway 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How do you find opportunities to implement push pull for?
Thanks btw :)
[–]Radicalmattitude1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You want to be doing it all the time to some degree, it’s basically the root of flirting.
[–]willgo-waggins 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And work/push without predatory pressure to get her OUT OF THE CLUB.
That atmosphere is great to loosen up and get her relaxed to you and in a sexy mood with dancing and body touch/contact. But it can very quickly reach a limit unless the girl is already ready to fuck you (and I’m that case the club was a waste anyway) or is really drunk (and you shouldn’t be doing that because consent).
You want to move out to where you can add intimate conversation you can hear and offer her a more private setting so she feels comfortable.
[–]ecologamer 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wonder if her going to the restroom so many times was an attempt in hoping that you would follow. I’ve been dragged to the restroom before by a girl who wanted to fuck me, but I was too cowardly to step inside (not to mention there was a guard outside the restroom who stared daggers into me. This was at a college dance)
[–]willgo-waggins 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is possible and when you didn’t catch it she gave up and went to find a more daring guy.
I’ve fucked girls in the restroom, porta potties at concerts and even right in the dance floor and at the bar. Sometimes they just want an adventure and some strange dick. And if you don’t get the hint and step up to it they bail.
[–]P7o7s7t7a7l 35 points36 points37 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think it was the letting her tounge down your throat. I have to go now, too.
[–]bandsupjay 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too
[–]Turbopre2 63 points64 points65 points 3 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
Hard to say. Any little thing can turn a girl off.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link
I agree. It’s rather annoying.
We were talking on voice chat prior to meeting and there was no resistance. So she knew my voice, the way I talk and my face.
Maybe there’s another guy. A little bit before the tongue kiss and the final time she went to the bathroom she took out her phone and started recording video of the club and text it to someone and also posted it on instagram.
[–]Turbopre2 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
She might of just used you for attention. It happens to all of us tbh. Hopefully you didn't spend too much money at the club.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
20 bucks for her ticket plus 20 bucks in drinks.
[–]Turbopre2 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
That's actually pretty good. I have lady friends where they are being taken out to expensive steak houses the first date lol. $200+
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link
Ya I don’t do that shit anymore. I was doing the $70 dinner dates last year. I surprisingly never got the ‘no chemistry’ speech then though.
It’s funny cause some girls on the app mention to me that the guys on hinge are all fat and bald and boring and I stick out as I’m actually physically attractive/interesting. You’d think they wouldn’t be so hasty to throw me away after saying that.
I get so many matches that for instance last night after having a date where I didn’t escalate (I wasn’t interested as she looked way older than me), I spent 45 minutes doing voice messages to various girls on the app, on top of doing an hr long phone call before bed with another girl after that. Shit is draining.
I was also chosen (after they reached out to me on hinge and did 2 rounds of zoom interviews) to be on a bachelorette type reality tv show for ctv here in Canada, which I couldn’t do because I couldn’t get the two months off work.
I’ve met 80+ girls on first dates since sept of last year and have nothing to show for it. Almost all of them made out with me. I’ve never been able to date more than 1 girl at a time (I mean going past the first date) and actually be the chooser myself after multiple dates because of this ‘no chemistry’ stuff after an hr or two together. I have had sex with 1 of those girls. Another girl who cancelled a first date with me invited me over for sex once then ghosted me.
It’s extremely confusing and frustrating.
[–]robveg 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seriously? WTF if true this is depressing for all men in the dating world. WTF
[–]cobraCL 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That is terribly frustrating. OP, were all 80 girls from online dating?
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes. I typically have 2-5 dates a week every week. I’ve asked out at least 3-400 girls to get those 80+. It’s a lot of work and effort.
I get a shit ton of matches because of my looks.
[–][deleted] 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
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[–]jtaylor27141[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I must be a pretty damn good catch then that many women keep our convo alive between the asking out and the date. I asked this particular girl out about a week ago. She sent me voice msgs everyday in between then and now saying ‘hope you had a great day at work. Can’t wait to meet. I’m doing blah blah blah. What are you up to?’
[–]cobraCL1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Damn! Well done then. As much as it is good, we need to pinpoint what in your dates is going wrong. How is your flirting style? Describe your typical date?
[–]jtaylor271411 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’ve gone through different phases. Last year was dinner and a walk. Then stuff got shut down because of Covid over the winter here and I met a few girls out for just a walk. Then it became coffee and a walk and then now it’s usually drinks and a walk.
Typical date would be we meet, great convo, many things in common. Go for a walk to talk more. Drop her off at the subway and make out or walk her home and make out.
Flirting style usually starts with a compliment or a joke and touching her back or shoulder. Noticing something on her hand (a bracelet or a ring) then playing with it as I’m asking her about it. Then gradually go from there.
I typically don’t make out in the beginning of the date as I did here. We just had so much sexual chemistry that it felt right to me.
I need to cut the time a little shorter (a couple drink dates went on for too long at the bar without a change in scenery) and not be afraid to get up/leave/go to the bathroom as was mentioned.
[–]Turbopre2 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Are you having good conversations with these women? Are you being flirtatious to let them know you want to be more than friends? Maybe you are too attractive and thr women automatically assume you are a playboy.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They would know how attractive I am before going out with me in person based on my pictures.
The convos are almost always great with lots of stuff in common. I love to travel, I love pets, I paint, draw, play music (guitar, drums, bass, keyboards), lift weights, play on a rec basketball team, read a ton (mostly non fiction), rock climb, scuba dive, have a healthy social life, amongst many other things, so I definitely have a lot going on.
[–]ftdrain 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You seem like you talk a lot, but escalate too little. I have multiple fwbs going on, pretty much all my dates and random pickups end up in sex the very first night, I dont have enough dick for that much pussy.
Anyways, I would never do 1 hour phone calls, maybe with an LTR of 1 year plus, you seem to be putting a lot of effort in the wrong areas.
I would have to look at you interacting with them, but theres for sure something wrong going on, maybe you dont show enough enough sexual desire and masculine polarity, e.g do you grab their ass when you make out?
[–]Blessedest 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This af. You are validating them way too much before they have even slept with you so why do they need to sleep with you ?
[–]chillbill1220 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Are you saying you’ve only slept with 1 out of the 80 girls? But made out with most of them? If I’m reading that right that’s a very concerning statistic.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
That is correct. I should be more aggressive?
[–]uliol 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No but somewhere you aren’t connecting completely.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How do I connect other than getting them to open up about themselves, touching, and going in for the kiss when the vibe is right?
[–]uliol1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think (I say this kindly) messaging SO many women has desensitized them as humans to you. I don’t mean that meanly, but there literally isn’t a list to check off of things to accomplish to do this. Not that aren’t things you can do…but it’s a feeling, a synergy. I think you are approaching it wrong and I think it’s better to focus on one or two or ideally one. But I am in the “seducing” sub.
I understand what you mean. When I think of connecting I’ve done to make friends, I’m just myself and talk exactly the same way I talk to these women. I’ve never felt I needed to do anything but be my natural self.
Obviously that isn’t working.
I can make guy friends all day long though.
Interesting! That might actually be your problem. See them more as the opposite sex, or a romantic potential partner.
I do. I’m just talking in terms of connecting. For instance she says some thought or opinion she has. And if I agree or our values line up I’d say something like ‘I totally understand what you mean by….’
It’s about relating to people.
[–]chillbill1220 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you’re getting make outs you’re doing something right and should be able to close. In comparison I’ve been out with 8 girls in the last 6 months. Only made out with 3 of them but slept with 2 of those girls. The 3rd one I messed up escalating when she was at my place. The other 5 girls were bad first dates. Either they didn’t seem attracted to me or I wasn’t attracted to them.
[–]mrrooftops 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like she was riding the high off of the blow she was doing in the bathroom, when she finished it she couldn't handle the downer.
[–]syds 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes life can be rather annoying
[–]Common-Snow5434 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You could just be a bad tongue kisser. That’s a good way to make a connection disappear. It’s fine, plenty of dudes are.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn’t understand what she was trying to do at first because it came out of nowhere, so maybe I wasn’t as receptive for the first one or two.
[–]Imtheassshole 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Was she on drugs? U keep talking about her pupils that typically doesn’t happen when you first meet someone
[–]MinnCali 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And she kept going to the bathroom a lot too
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, which is why I’m confused. She looked up at me with seductive pupil dilated eyes when I touched her shoulders. It’s the ‘kiss me’ look I mentioned in the OP.
I wouldn’t have been as ballsy to go for the kiss within 20-30 minutes of meeting someone if it wasn’t for that look.
There were no drugs involved. Her eyes looked normal when we were talking.
She’d have to be a really great actor to pull this off if she wasn’t interested.
I had one other date do the same look a few weeks back and I went for the kiss within an hour of meeting. She also leaned in as well. We had planned a 2nd date but I fucked up that situation by not texting her in between the dates.
[–]sudophish 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like she’s doing coke. You’re better off without that.
[–]DontCallMeTopher 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Probably was doing bumps in the bathroom, having a great time with OP, then ran out of blow, started feeling the come down, and bounced to kick it with her dealer/some dude she fucks that has drugs
[–]JF803 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the most likely scenario
[–]mikejamesone 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can only kiss so much before it expires / burns out.
After a few kisses, you should sit down and have a drink or bounce from the club to a diner or your place.
[–]Ch3shirefox89 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Could breath have been a factor?
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Possibly. I was chewing gum earlier so maybe it wore off.
When we were outside, she was smoking. She asked me if I wanted one and I said I don’t smoke anymore.
[–]Blessedest -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If she smokes she probably also does coke just like everybody else says. I don’t know any women who smoke who wouldn’t also do coke. Smoking means they don’t care about their health, so why wouldn’t she do coke? Lol
[–]peduxe 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to know from which study you got that statement…
You just don’t assume someone does cocaine because they smoke cigs.
[–]Ch3shirefox89 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It could be the fact you don’t smoke and she does and was concerned about tasting like an ashtray? Sometimes us with us ladies it’s us not you.
[–]Difficult_Ad_8299 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Man this is clear. She didn’t feel your kissing styles were compatible according to what you just said. That happens, move on.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Maybe. She also had 3 rum and cokes, so I’m not sure how clearly she’d be able to discern that within seconds like that.
[–]canoodlebug 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I can tell if I don’t like kissing someone within… 2 seconds maybe?
But a lot of people can feel pressured while actually on a date, and she might have been trying to make it work anyway, since it can feel pretty bad to realize that you’re not actually that attracted to someone while already out with them. Most people do not enjoy feeling like they have accidentally led someone on- it’s awkward all around.
I wouldn’t read too much into any of this. The whole point of dating is to try to test out if you’re compatible. The vast majority of dates don’t pan out, since the vast majority of people are not compatible with each other
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Maybe… maybe it’s something in my body language but I’ve also done video chats before dates a few times and still get this response.
[–]canoodlebug 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
In-person chemistry is way, way different than it is in texts or even video chats. It’s very normal for people to lose that spark once they meet in person. It doesn’t mean you did anything wrong, just that you weren’t a good match!
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Sucks that she built it up so much.. I feel let down. I let some of my friends hear our voice messages and they were like ‘you got this no problem’.
[–]canoodlebug 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
If you build a date up in your head as a means to an end, and not just a chance to test compatibility with the other person, I don’t think you will have much success. It also just sounds like a lot of pressure tbh! Most dates don’t work out, so if you’re always going into things expecting something specific, you’re going to be disappointed more often than not.
You’re not achievement hunting, you’re just getting to know someone. I think most people can tell when their date is just looking to get something from them, and from the date’s perspective, it’s honestly a huge turn off since it feels like they’re being manipulated and used, rather than being treated like a human.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
She was the one that built it up. She kept messaging me everyday in between when we made the date and today, asking me about my day, flirting etc. I was just responding.
[–]canoodlebug 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I feel like you’re not understanding what I’m saying; she probably liked you a lot over text and calls. And when you met in person, there was something off between you two. It’s not that you did something wrong per se- you just weren’t compatible and she didn’t feel comfortable because of that. That’s the whole point of a date, to find out if you click.
Did you really like her as a person to the point you would turn down other girls for her? Or was she mainly just a means to an end? Because your answer to that will help me understand your situation more.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
She’d have to be an amazing actor. She was laughing from the very beginning. The very first thing she commented on as soon as we met was my height(I’m 5’10 and she was 5’ so she barely stood at my shoulders). Maybe it turned her off?
But why kiss me back? Why the compliments? Why grab my hand twice? Why the tongue down my throat? If she was turned off or felt things were incompatible, she would not be doing those things, no matter how much trying to power through the date.
[–]canoodlebug1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I’m 5’1 and 5’10 is super tall. It’s not your height , 100%. Unless you lied about it on your bio, in which case I would see the lie as a red flag.
And in order to give you advice I really need to hear your answer to the question I asked in the last comment! Because there are ~3 most likely possibilities here, and I can’t narrow it down until I have that info
[–]jtaylor271412 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Nope, I’m upfront about my height on the bio.
I liked what I heard thus far. I definitely knew more about her than she did me. I had planned to leave with her in my head when we finished kissing. We would’ve went for a walk downtown and would’ve been able to talk a bit more without the noise. She did the majority of the talking when we were outside in the middle and also in the club, so she knew only a handful of my interests or much about my personality based on my responses to her talking, as well as stuff we talked about online.
If the date would’ve gone well I would’ve turned down other girls for her.
That’s good, no reason to be insecure about your height anyway.
Okay, so it sounds like there was a red flag of some kind during the date. I don’t know if she decided she didn’t like the way you kissed, or if there was just something about you two that didn’t mesh, but clearly she noticed something that made her not want a relationship partway through. I can’t say how far into the date it happened because she might have noticed it right away and just tried to ignore it, or she may have only noticed an issue at the end.
But it really just sounds like a standard compatibility issue and I would not take it personally unless you specifically know that you did something rude or inappropriate.
I can’t know what it was, since I wasn’t there. But you could always try asking her- there’s a chance she’ll lie to spare your feelings, but who knows, maybe she’ll be upfront since there’s nothing to lose at this point 🤷♀️
[–]Psuedo_Pixie 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
OK, a couple of things stand out to me.
First, a small thing - I would totally set “pupils dilating” aside as a way to gauge attraction. Strobe lights (or even subtle changes in lighting), substances, etc. are more likely to cause discernible changes in pupil size than sexual interest.
Second and more importantly, it sounds like something is up with your kissing. There is a pattern of women being attracted to you and escalating until that point, and then backing off. My first thought is breath, although a bad kissing technique could also be a factor. Have you ever received any feedback about either?
[–]canoodlebug2 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I agree on the pupil dilation- I raised my eyebrows when I first read that. Men always point out how dilated my pupils are, and I think my pupils just dilate easily.
Plus anyone’s will dilate in a dark club.
[–]150420throwaway 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol well I’m fucked then aren’t I? As someone who hasn’t had a first kiss and has just turned 22
[–]canoodlebug 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, you’re not screwed at all. It’s also actually more common than you think to have never kissed anyone at that age, I’ve met plenty of people who haven’t.
When I say I can tell immediately if I like a kiss, it has to do with how I feel about the person, not really the technique. Kissing sort of brings all your feelings about someone to a head, and your body tells you if there is chemistry or not. I’ve had technically bad kisses that gave me butterflies, and technically perfect kisses that felt revolting.
I mean, that being said, there are also obvious mistakes that will make kisses a lot worse. Like, don’t go straight for tonguing them if it’s a first kiss and don’t keep your eyes wide open. But generally your body will lead you down the right path
Thanks! I appreciate the intended result of the first paragraph, but by no means should it be the case, as clearly something ‘went wrong’, for me personally it was getting bullied that made me more reluctant to being an outgoing person and meeting new people, and only now after few years I’m actually making it up for the time wasted, and it’s my responsibility to fix that instead of being a victim of circumstances.
So are we talking about kissing somebody you’ve already gotten to know a little bit or just kissing in general, when it comes to that butterflies in stomach feeling? Did it ever put you off somebody who you thought you liked a lot?
[–]canoodlebug 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t kiss people unless I’m pretty serious about dating them and have known them for a bit, outside of one time where a guy cornered and kissed me without asking on a first date (did NOT enjoy).
I’ve never liked someone a lot and not gotten butterflies, but I have been on the fence about someone and been kissed me before I was sure what I wanted, and that can lead to a bad kiss. I’ve also had bad kisses at the end of a failing relationship, that tell me that something is wrong. It’s just an indicator for me that I need to think more about what I want.
[–]willgo-waggins 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is interesting as is your description of her eyes dilating.
You’re sure she wasn’t going to the bathroom to do something else?
Otherwise the phone thing and frequent trips lead me to believe you were a warm up for some guy she is either already with or needed some liquid courage for.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe she was doing coke in the bathroom. Who knows?!
I was looking at the bus route of the bus she was waiting for and it went nowhere near her neighbourhood she told me she lived in. She could’ve also been waiting for a ride from someone.
I’d suspect that there is another guy who she’s known longer, who gave her an invite. She told me she’s been going to a lot of meetup events as of late.
It wouldn’t have been Coke if her eyes dilated.
But if they just LOOKED bigger they were probably actually contracted and you are likely right. She could have been out and heading to her dealer too. Also could have hit the paranoia stage (I have a friend who gets like this with Coke and then skates home like a homing pigeon).
Otherwise since the bus went elsewhere I’d agree that it’s somebody else - other dude, dealer or even girlfriend to do something else or a party 🤷🏻♂️.
[–]Liberaler 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
chemistry and a women's emotions are not governed by logic. Ultimately, the search for your exact mistake is therefor futile. Thinking that perfect behaviour can always lead you to success is a form of needyness.
You definitely over-interpreted all of her behaviour. Dancing and kissing does not mean that you have her and that she is a sure thing in any way. And what she said also did not mean that everything is over. She just expressed, how she felt in each moment. You shouldn't have deleted her so soon.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re probably right. I deleted her because if she’s that quick to give up on it, it’ll always be a bullshit relationship. Every relationship that’s ever worked out long term for myself or anyone I know doesn’t start with someone leaving in the middle of the first date.
This is actually the first time someone has walked out on a date on me.
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Are you ready for the hard truth? Let's see.... you were kissing her (first time)....she went to the bathroom, came back and kissed you again (second time) and then she offered you her cheek (third time). Based on your account she didn't enjoy your over exuberance?
Never make out with a woman you want to sleep with, but haven't yet. (Read that again if you ever wish to have sex). It's a situation that men have not and will not master unless they are the world's best kisser and that will never happen because every woman desires being kissed a different way.
A kiss is the preview to your skills in the bedroom. Resist the urge to make out. You're not in high school anymore. From now on you live in the land of "push/pull". Pull her in for a kiss but lightly bite & suck on her bottom lip then push her away LEAVING HER WANTING MORE.
This is what separates the men from the boys! Men: know they are going to have sex and aren't in a hurry to get as many kisses as humanly possible before she ditches them and runs away. Boys: makeout as if it's the last time they will ever get to kiss a girl and fail to increase her buying temperature. 100% of your kisses aren't amazing and can only throw cold water on her fire for you.
This is tough for touch-starved dudes. You have to bypass the sweet temptation for the bigger prize (dopamine restraint). You must become a master of this; it's like edging. You build up the tension and then stop, build tension then stop again. You don't make love to her face.
You want to get her so worked up she has no choice but to try and ravage you and you become the "brakes". "Not here, not yet, soon baby"... then keep amplifying her buying temp. "God! You're getting me so turned on!" Then turn around in her face and walk away -to the bar, the bathroom- (pull/push).
This engages her emotionally. (Why did he do that!?! Got me all turned on then walked away!?! God! I want him!) Push/pull doesn't end until orgasm, then it soon starts all over again.
The buildup to sex is often more pleasurable for women than actual sex because men do not engage in foreplay. Foreplay engages her mind first, her body second. If you can get her to make love to you in her mind her body will follow. If you don't know how to create foreplay with her mind you have a lot of work to do still.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you have any suggestions for doing this with kino?
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same concept applies. Light touches in non-sexual places: arms, small of her back, shoulder. After a couple hours: move to light touches in semi-erotic, but not sexual places: earlobe, neck, hair. Avoid breasts & ass until actual naked foreplay and even then build up her desire for you to touch her breasts.
The desire comes from the absence of stimuli not the presence of stimuli. Give her something to miss. A pleasurable touch and then take it away.
Pro Tip: if you can plant a soft semi-wet (i.e. not sloppy) kiss on her neck, do that instead of kissing her mouth. Ten times more vulnerable; a hundred times more erotic. Then walk away (push/pull).
[–]bcool_returns 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You didn't take the interaction anywhere, dude. Guy A is there kissing her all night, giving the game away, passively waiting for her do to do something rather than being a leader. Guy B goes in for initial kiss, then maybe next time comes in close to create tension and then pulls away, starts talking about a more quiet place to go, and then leads her back to his place within 45 minutes to 1hr of meeting. You kept seeing "kiss me eyes" but couldn't think beyond the confines of the club to understand those were likely "f me" eyes. What you set up is what you need to pay off. You promised adventure, but did not deliver.
You might be right. Something to think about. Be bold over being safe?
[–]bcool_returns 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No may about it, homie. It's not just about playing it safe. You invited a woman to a club late at night. She was giving you IOIs for days. There's only one thing that means, but too many guys are stuck in a romantic default, not appreciating that women can be just as sexual as they are. This in turn leads to men missing out on countless opportunities. Because if they're not spending a bunch of money on her, and going on a bunch of dates her, they can't even imagine something sexual popping off. I'll be posting about this soon.
[–]TiNyUzi 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bad breath? Idk man don’t over think it.
[–]TelephoneMediocre721 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Well there are some bipolar people out there
[–]MywarUK 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Ah, seems this is your 1st encounter of “what the fuck just happened!”.
Step 1. Do not blame your self. Step 2. Do not blame your self. Step 3 & is important. DO NOT blame your self.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Not my 1st. My almost 80+ experience of this happening.
This next one on Saturday night also built up the date with lots of messaging and voice notes. She sent me a 4:00 voice note yesterday in response to a :30 one.
Hope it’s a better experience.
[–]MywarUK 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You got it dude, dating game is hard these days, least you’re back out there trying.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sunday I’m meeting a girl I met last year already for the 1st date. I restarted my bumble account and I saw her on the app, and remembered I met her and we made out but she never reached out afterwards. I swiped left. It said ‘you’ve missed a match’.
I found her number in my old phone and texted her. At first she played dumb until I told her that I saw that she swiped on me. She then said she thought I ghosted her because I didn’t reach out first.
You never know what’s going to happen. I got a random txt message last Friday from a girl that cancelled our first date the day before it was going to happen well over a month ago. She asked if I wanted to have sex with her that evening.
[–]MywarUK 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seems all good your way man 🤘
Not sure why someone downvoted your comment.
Ah just a reddit vote man, if it makes them feel all mighty and powerful and helps them sleep at night, Im happy to of helped them 👌
[–]funkmaster322 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
She was just being nice. You read her wrong. The "insane chemistry" was just an artefact of your own imagination.
[–]cobraCL 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I personally wouldn't passionately tongue kiss someone just to be "nice" to them, haha.
[–]funkmaster322 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe she wanted to give it a try just to "see" if it felt right. Maybe she didn't have the heart or guts to deny OP the kiss in the moment.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Maybe. But I can tell when pupils are dilated.
[–]Professional_Base117 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe that was the problem.You be staring dead in her soul .
[–]atomic_uma_22 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What's with your obsession with pupils dear god? You were in a dark nightclub ofc her pupils were dilated, it was dark! Or she did drugs or whatever other reason. It seems like you base everything on how much someone's pupils are dilated wtf
[–]jtaylor27141[S] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don’t base ‘everything’ on it. I base her wanting to be kissed on it.
Get your negative energy out of my thread, troll.
[–]atomic_uma_22 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not negative it's realistic, you shouldn't be so sensitive, come on man up
Its not your thread buddy. The moment you decide to make a public post on reddit it becomes everybody elses thread too.
The post belongs to you. The thread belongs to everybody.
[–]funkmaster322 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
WTF is all this with dilated pupils? Where did you hear or read that that was correlated with anything at all?
[–]MywarUK 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Also, women tend to go to the “Toilet” to message other guys, there is a chance someone else was doing something better than where she was. Again, not your fault, its the shitty side of dating apps.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Ya. I honestly think there was another guy in the picture.
[–]MywarUK 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And there you go my dude… there was also another guy for him (you), and most likely another. This is another common fault some people seem to forget, say you matched with 5women, a woman has most likely matched with 20+, it wasnt just us.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I just remembered that at one point she sort of jumped and said to me ‘I thought I just saw someone I knew over there’.
[–]MywarUK 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You most likely did hear that. Could be a reason she left, could of been her next date, ex boyfriend, told a date she was ill, you name it. At the end of the day, you go by what she said to you even if you know its not fully true.
[–]Such-Ad4815 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel like girls who love clubbing are always going to be a bit "crazy", OP you may have dodged a bullet
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[–]Narudatsu 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As sucky as it sounds it almost sounds like there’s another guy at home or something. Most girls will at least have the courtesy to finish the date then tell you whether or not she felt truly compatible.
This was the first time in my life a woman has left in the middle of the date or in the middle of a kiss even.
[–]Narudatsu 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It does sound like you moved the vibe way too fast. I’m thinking from a girl’s perspective it might seem like you’re so eager to go on it seems scary and daunting. She might’ve gotten scared off of that alongside with alcohol making her not think straight. She might’ve felt unsafe for a mixture of reasons that made her leave immediately. Idk if this is a better outcome than hearing another guy’s in the picture, but I’d say those are the two most realistic reasons to a girl leaving abruptly. Another guy or feeling unsafe.
[–]megainculu -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
I think you don't need to worry about anything. She's just offering some resistance to throw you off your game and to indicate you that's she is not an "easy" girl.
Girls try to test guys to know how far are they willing to go for her. These are called "shit test".
Just ask her out again after 2-3 days and till then don't try to contact her and be busy with your own life. Happy hunting😉
[–]Lotus_82 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
Lol I don’t know if you’re just young or really inexperienced but this isn’t a “shit test” and OP probably should be worried because he did or said something that completely turned her off and made her lose all interest to the point she didn’t even want to finish the date or get a ride home.
OP is never going to hear from her again and there’s absolutely no point in trying to contact her again.
I agree with this. If our relationship is starting like this, that’s a bad sign. It won’t be a strong bond. I have a feeling another guy is in the picture.
Like I mentioned we saw each other outside the club after she left and she could’ve said something, but she didn’t. She just looked at me awkwardly. It was no shit test.
[–]megainculu -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Well I'm trying to learn and identify what are shit tests exactly and how to pass them. I even made a post but there were no comments on it. Maybe you can help. Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/waim6q/what_are_shittests_that_women_give_to_men/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
[–]canoodlebug 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, normal people don’t use “shit tests”. It’s just something that manipulative and toxic people do. I think the concept has spread so much because PUAs use them a lot (since PUAs are manipulators), and they assume everyone else thinks the same way they do (they don’t).
I have literally never shit tested a date and I don’t know anyone who has, man or woman.
[–]Crazy-Platform-5581 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I always found it weird to read about shit tests on here as if they're something totally normal. Like, if a date would do that to me, I'll lose 100% of my interest in her, I'm not gonna play these silly games just to get with someone.
[–]canoodlebug 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It’s genuinely insane IMO, if someone shit tested me I would walk right out.
Pickup culture in general really normalizes a lot of not normal behavior. And that only further isolates the people who use it, which is the last thing they need.
[–]ftdrain 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Women shit test all the time, they dont do it to be mean, they do it subconsciously to test your masculinity/confidence, you are just a beginner.
What do you mean I’m a beginner? lmao
[–]ftdrain 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I mean that you are talking about something you know very little about and you just dont notice it, goes right over your head
[–]canoodlebug 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think there might be some misconceptions here. I’m a woman, firstly, in case you missed that. I’m 25 and I’m bisexual- and I’ve dated plenty of people, both casually and very seriously. Plenty of experience here.
I also have a solid group of very kind friends, both men and women. Neither I, nor my friends, have ever given anyone a shit test. It’s not something people do unless they are manipulative, full stop.
You will only ever have someone give you a shit test if they very inexperienced and have been given bad advice, or if they are a toxic person.
[–]ftdrain1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You missed the point entirely, shit tests at their core are subconscious, they arent malicious at all, its something women evolved to do, nothing toxic about it. When I said you have no experience I meant that you just havent cognitively learned to identify shit tests at all
It’s funny that you say that because when you look up examples of shit tests, the top results all clearly say that they are premeditated. But please do enlighten me and give an example of a shit test that someone will say unconsciously.
[–]ftdrain0 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
A very common one is the "im not going to sleep with you today". I dont even take it slightly seriously
No, I’ve absolutely never said that unless I meant it. It’s actually very scary to think of a partner pushing me to sleep with them if I told them I’m not up for sex that night, since if I’m turning down sex, I’m certainly not turned on enough for it to be a fun/not painful experience. I’m very open about when I want sex. I don’t see the point in making a partner have to work for it unless we’re roleplaying with pre-established expectations. That honestly just sounds like a stupid and shitty thing to do to someone. If I want to feel chased I will straight up just tell them that, no point in lying to them.
I’m concerned that some men may take this situation as a shit test because “they ended up having sex with her anyway”. Because I know a lot of women who have been worn down by pushy and desperate men. And if someone is coerced into sex that doesn’t mean they were lying when they said no initially.
Do you have any others? Anything less mean? I really don’t like to be mean or manipulative to people, and I’m an open communicator so it’ll have to be something kinder for me to have ever said it
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I already deleted her off hinge.
I am booked up every night until next week Sunday with OLD first dates.
[–]megainculu 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Looks like you've already moved on. No worries then.
I just want to know if I did something wrong in my interaction so I can fix it in the future. I’ve been getting this ‘no chemistry’ thing a lot lately, kiss or no kiss. Last year I almost never got this.
I could be a bad kisser, but if I was she would’ve left after the first one and definitely wouldn’t have stuck her tongue down my throat.
[–]megainculu 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
After your first or second kiss don't go for another. Maybe she felt that you're just being too clingy. Give her some space and let her come to you for the next kiss. When you do kiss the first or second time, be the one to end it first. Follow the cliche, "keep her wanting more". Happy hunting 😉
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
When she stuck her tongue down my throat that was only the second round of kissing, which was about an hour later after the first kiss.
[–]megainculu 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Well then I don't know bro. Like someone said in the comments you don't know what will turn off a girl. Don't stress on it too much.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It sucks because we had a lot in common and I really liked her.
It seems if I don’t like the girl, act awkward and let her lead, that my dates go well from OLD.
[–]Dizzy-Job-2322 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She wasn't that into you. But you got here into the club and paid for the first round of drinks...she says "Next!"
[–]jtaylor27141[S] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For someone who wasn’t into me she left me an awfully seductive sounding voice message this morning telling me ‘she couldn’t wait to meet me’.
[–]Dizzy-Job-2322 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh shit that so fucking complicated. Don't dwell on young fickle women. Just move on.
[–]Dizzy-Job-2322 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How old is she? ...and you.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
She was 34. I am 38.
[–]Dizzy-Job-2322 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What! She acts like she is 21. Actually younger, but I took into consideration she got into the club.
Man, you're almost 40! Why are you hanging out in clubs?
She has a 14 year old son as well. Amazing body for someone who had a kid.
We are both almost 40, but we both look A LOT younger. People always think I’m in my mid-late 20s, so I blend in.
[–]Horror_Replacement39 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was just testing you to see if you could tell the difference between words and body language.
Women do it all the time to see who’s fuck able.
You failed. Hahaha
[–]Professional_Base117 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Move on.Next time, have like 5 backups. Choose the one that chooses you.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
How would you suggest I stagger the dates?
I’ve booked multiple women on one night before but I’ve always had everyone but one cancel beforehand so far.
[–]Professional_Base117 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I wud suggest you arrange the dates max 5 days apart and in different places and cities(if you dont mind Long distance relationships).
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Oh I thought you meant 5 women in one night?
I’m seeing another girl tonight, another on Sunday, another on Monday, another on Wednesday, another on Thursday, another next Saturday, another next Sunday and another next Monday.
[–]no_please 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So you've got this unending line of women wanting to meet you based on looks / convo but you've slept with like 1 of them and the rest ghost you or don't want to talk to you anymore? That's insane. Maybe get a teeth clean or something, the numbers don't make sense.
[–]jtaylor27141[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Girl I’m supposed to meet tonight just canceled 4 hours ahead of the date.
[–]no_please 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well, that sucks. I've never given OLD a real go, but I already know I hate it, and wouldn't match or meet with half as many people as you, but I truly don't know how it's possible to meet so many people that are then turned off by you.
Maybe ask some friends for some genuine advice and see if they tell you something you don't realise about yourself.
They’re not turned off though. Almost all have made out with me. It’s just super hard to get a second date because girls are talking to so many guys.
I’m known by my friends as a ‘pretty boy’ so they’re not surprised by the number of matches.
I tell them all the stories and they’re always like ‘yup that sounds right’. A couple are also on the apps and have the same horror stories. The girls on these apps tend to hop from guy to guy very quickly.
[–]Professional_Base117 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great. This way you wouldnt be worrying too mich about one girl. If she chooses you, then go with her
[–]ExpensiveNinja -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was likely going to the bathroom to do coke. She may not have been into the kissing and wanted to abruptly leave to get off with her usual f buddy. Coke tends to make people extremely horny.
[–]Dizzy-Job-2322 -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Did you get express consent when you held her hand then leaned in and kissed? How about the second passionate kiss? Did you give your consent for her to stick her younger down your throat?
I have had dates like that.
It was all based off body language and the ‘connection/chemistry’ hence why I’m confused by the ‘connection isn’t there’ comment then leaving.
[–]wastingtoomuchthyme 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"She kept going to the bathroom"
With her phone.. texting someone else.. girl. Guy. Bf. Husband. Wife..
You never know... But the immediacy of her departure is telling.
[–]incognito3107 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe she was expecting you to go further with her, as you have already reached kissing base pretty quickly. Repetitive kissing could made her bored and dropped excitement.
[–]whiplash81 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She was sexually attracted to you, but not emotionally attracted to you. You probably escalated too quickly.
Next time, try push/pull
[–]FlatDistance5 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If she was that interested why not skip the club and invite her straight over for drinks?
She mentioned she wanted to check it out after I told her that a bunch of my buddies and I went the week before. She assured me that she ‘is the party’.
[–]Rebombastro 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You didn't take her home and instead tried to escalate on the dance floor, that's what happened. It was a waste of time for her. If a girl heavily compliments you, doesn't reject any kino, gives you the look and literally shoves her tongue down your throat, she wants to fuck and not just kiss.
Her going to the bathroom was probably her texting a guy who's dtf. You got her horny but she needed another dude to finish the job. I can't imagine her going home doing nothing the rest of the night and you're certainly not her only option.
Tl:dr: You should have just taken her home instead of continuously making out with her
[–]FlavoredButtHair 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes women be like that. Just have to move on and find someone better.
[–]ChiraqGorilla24 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did nothing wrong, women are fickle. Fish will swim.
[–]WastedMyTime 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You suck at kissing mate.
[–]Tahjeem420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We live in weird times friend.
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