Skeptics lost touch with reality, blames young men's views on "loss of privilege"

2024-11-23T15:32:49+00:00

"men are feeling this, men are feeling that"

That's funny, seeing so-called skeptics basing their argumentations on vague, subjective things they assume people are feeling.

They really learned nothing, that's fascinating. Spock level of *fascinating", raised eyebrow and all.

How to help men?

"It's simple you know. We continue to say it's their fault, an internal problem, a feelings problem; and continue to totally ignore their material conditions, shared traumas, shared struggles"

Glarus30 · 2024-11-23T14:45:48+00:00

First - I've never hear of "The Skeptic", I opened their page and I honestly just can't take it seriously. Who reads that drivel?

2nd - the left has been hijacked by a loud minority of idiots. Don't let them outshout you and speak up! Don't let complete morons decide what we are, what we should do, how we need to think and how to behave. They don't decide that. We do.

thereslcjg2000 · 2024-11-23T15:05:45+00:00

I’ve noticed for awhile that the skeptic subreddit hasn’t been particularly skeptical in a long time. It feels like they mostly just parrot mainstream narratives and mock anyone who doesn’t share those narratives. It baffles me at this point why that subreddit even uses the term skeptic anymore; it doesn’t really apply to most people there.

Lendari · 2024-11-23T16:24:25+00:00

Im just going to say this. There are women who are not pro-choice. There are women who did not vote for Hillary and Kamala. There are women who make a living by profiteering from other women. There are women who murder, women who rape and women who molest children. These are all simple undeniable facts. There are also men who are die hard feminists.

If all the men were gone, the problems would not go away. The hypothesis that these are issues arising from a single gender is fundamentally flawed.

The entire field of gender studies is thinly veiled pseudoscience that appears to be incapable of critical thinking or making objective observations.

BandageBandolier · 2024-11-23T20:55:53+00:00

Bluntly put, we need to stop reflexively shitting on men, those need to be mostly ‘indoor thoughts’, same as they are with any other group.

What an absolutely wild admission "keep your bigotry again men on the down-low, like you do with all your other bigotries"

What I'm learning lately is that it seems more of the left leaning holdouts against male advocacy than I'd hoped aren't due to a misunderstanding, they're just running out of people it's socially acceptable to hate and refuse to let go of their last punching bag.

OddSeraph · 2024-11-23T15:04:09+00:00

As yes, the TwoX view.

Argentarius1 · 2024-11-23T15:29:12+00:00

Young men don't have any privilege over young women other than being physically (but not morally or socially) harder to commit violence against. They haven't for decades. What kind of thinking is this?

ZealousidealCrazy393 · 2024-11-23T15:36:55+00:00

I'd say if we need to rescue men from any political force, it would be the one that provides space for open hatred and violence against men. It's not conservatives and Republicans saying things like "kill all men," or "men are trash" or "I choose the bear." It's also not conservatives making memes out of poisoning husbands and boyfriends who do not vote as they're told to vote by their liberal female partners. The right will always get further saying men should be tougher than the left will get saying men should be punished.

The left has ruined its viability with its hateful and exclusive behavior. This election was a fucking embarrassment for them. In a democratic society, a political party can only survive spreading hatred if it is aimed at minorities who do not have the numbers to be able to come back on election day and punish that party. Hating majorities (such as white people or men) is a suicide mission, and that is exactly what the zealots on the left have committed themselves to. People that self-assured in their own hatred for others cannot be reached.

Tevorino · 2024-11-23T20:45:38+00:00

I don't know why they insist on combining the American spelling (skeptic instead of sceptic) with a UK domain name. For some reason, that really bothers me; can they not afford to just buy the currently unused skeptic.org domain?

A proper sceptic community is composed of people who accept their own capacity for bias. Almost all of us have it; we simply won't be as sceptical as we should be of claims that we want to be true, even when we consciously try to be. We should therefore welcome the input of other sceptics who actually want that claim to be false and are motivated to identify problems with it that we might have overlooked. We should also welcome them to take premises that we currently believe uncritically, and present critical arguments against them.

The author of this article seems to uncritically believe in the idea of male privilege and claims, without offering a shred of evidence, that the right is encouraging men to be "cruel". Perhaps some of them are, but he didn't provide a single example. If "The Skeptic" considers that fit to publish, then perhaps scepticism is no longer their creed and only their flag. What's more likely, however, is that they simply forgot how to be sceptical of claims that align with their political beliefs.

At least this guy recognises that the reflexive man-bashing is counterproductive; I'll give him credit where it's due. Other than that, I agree with OP that he seems to be extremely out of touch with the reality of most young men today.

With respect to the US election, at least Bernie Sanders gets it. He doesn't say anything about the gender politics aspect, but he rightly criticises Harris for not really offering anything to appeal to struggling Americans of any identity. Is it any wonder, then, that so many people who came out to vote for Biden didn't bother voting for Harris?

falcon-feathers · 2024-11-23T16:48:21+00:00

It is a mistake to look at people as parties or coherent groups. Of course there is always be a majority of fools especially in places that allow a person performative anonymity. But am I loosing faith that people are entitled to be provided with shelter, health care, food a quality of life at the expense of the wealthy? Am I breaking with employees have the right to free time, work place safety and peace of mind on the job because of loud mouth on the internet? Really left or right only conveys meaning in the broadest sense and no title is something anyone she get hung up on. Identity doesn't matter beliefs and actions do.

flaumo · 2024-11-23T14:59:36+00:00

I am not sure. The German speaking sceptic scene is quite critical of wokeness https://youtu.be/O0175evT7Wo?si=2BvKWAnIY4vwEi1y

MedBayMan2 · 2024-11-23T16:35:41+00:00

Until these dense motherfuckers learn from their mistakes the Right will keep kicking their asses.

Aaron McGruder was right when he said that Republicans know how to play politics, while Democrats are just a bunch of losers.

vegetables-10000 · 2024-11-23T15:31:27+00:00

Skepticism and Atheism have been affected by this brain rot when it comes to gender. I'm glad nihilism hasn't been affected yet.

Jealous-Factor7345 · 2024-11-25T22:21:50+00:00

My skeptical hot take is that the online gender wars have created an alternate, yet increasingly manifest reality that doesn't map well onto in-person lived experience.

We need to fix out media consumption and cool off the online gender wars.

Martijngamer · 2024-11-23T20:25:56+00:00

Some people don't understand that skepticism does not see political color. "I am skeptical of religious/right-wing claims, thus I'm a skeptic" isn't skepticism, it's just another flavor of extremism.

Upper-Divide-7842 · 2024-11-26T13:33:27+00:00

Who the fuck is this large contingent of 125 year old men that experienced a time when women couldn't vote that are aparantly so relevant to our current political discourse?

Banake · 2025-08-16T22:07:54+00:00

Leaving the “skeptic” community was one of the best things I ever did.

Title	Skeptics lost touch with reality, blames young men's views on "loss of privilege"
Author	griii2
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Date	November 23, 2024 2:35 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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