reddit top story: "Woman shoots, beheads her rapist after he threatens her with blackmail". No physical evidence. No witnesses. No "alleged" needed. Clearly that dead man whose severed head was tossed around was evil, or she would not have killed him!

ignatiusloyola · 2012-09-06T13:51:37+00:00

I want to ignore for the moment that it was an allegation and not a proven situation. On the assumption that her story is true, let's consider something for a moment:

When individuals feel justified in choosing the punishment for perpetrators, society has failed/broken down. Why? Because people who are involved are not impartial. Punishment is definitely warranted for something like this, but it is up to society to determine what the punishment should be and to implement it uniformly.

EpicJ · 2012-09-06T12:04:52+00:00

It's funny how the comments are split between "he deserved it" and "innocent until proven guilty"

alaysian · 2012-09-06T12:44:36+00:00

I don't think I have to point out that had the gender roles been reversed here, the guy would instantly be labeled a 'murderer' and a 'psycho' and instantly thrown in jail.

2012-09-06T17:38:20+00:00

Here's my thoughts.

1) Guilty or not, the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Sure, if he's guilty he's a monster. However; rationally, I don't think anyone should be killing anyone, anywhere, for any reason.

2) Again, assuming he's guilty, I don't care. She should be punished for murdering another human being but I'm not going to spend anytime defending a rapist. If my fiancé was sexually assaulted, rationality would go out the window and you can guarantee I'd want the rapist dead.

3) This isn't a men's rights issue. Either he's a rapist or she's a maniac. Probably a mix a both.

Skyrmir · 2012-09-06T15:08:19+00:00

She's pregnant and demanding an abortion...I think the physical evidence will be forthcoming, one way or another. There's most likely other evidence of innocence or guilt that hasn't been collected yet as well.

oneiorosgrip · 2012-09-06T12:12:51+00:00

Regardless of the evidence, what I do not get is how some people believe that this was actually a good decision. As has been stated far too many times in the comments of the original post, this incident took place in Turkey, not extremist Afghanistan. The woman's life was not at stake from any honour killings because of losing her virginity, this was not a life or death decision. It was one made in impulse.

Reporting the incident, while embarrassing, would put the man through a trial while saving herself the trouble of manslaughter/murder charges and the horrible guilt of having killed a man. The fact that some people even think that she would think back on this with pride (Yeah! Headshot!) really sickens me.

ExpendableOne · 2012-09-06T14:13:27+00:00

Despite the fact that she was raped, this was still torture and murder. Multiple stab wounds, multiple gunshot wounds(including some to the genitalia) and a beheading are not something you do in self-defense, nor are they in any way an "equal punishment for rape". This woman is a psychopath and so are the people who believe that he deserved it or that she was justified in doing what she did.

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2012-09-06T21:39:15+00:00

Does this mean that a man is allowed to perform similar things to a woman who is availing herself of the courts to destroy a man's life?

ss_camaro · 2012-09-06T17:13:28+00:00

The heroically 'innocent' until meticulously proven guilty formula only applies to women.

2012-09-06T20:48:12+00:00

You know reading through the comments has seriously given me an epiphany... Maybe we should dismiss our current justice system and replace it with vigilante justice, we can all roam the streets and exact revenge on anyone who has been accused of a crime, evidence or not. It can be like a modern day Inquisition, but instead of burning witches we can go around and shoot people in the crotch. Fucking awesome. I can almost taste the justice.

DavidByron · 2012-09-06T14:19:06+00:00

Even if we assume everything the murderer accuses their victim of is true, this is not even rape under eg US federal law. If the story she has is that she was having sex because he was blackmailing her with nude photos. It might be a lesser offense but it wouldn't be aggravated sexual abuse (rape) under the US code because that requires the use of force or threats of violence.

In moral terms if she's doing X because she fears Y happening then X can't be worse than Y, or it wouldn't constitute a threat to begin with. So basically she decided to murder a person to stop nudie photos of her being released (if we believe her accusation against her victim).

She can't even argue that she was trying to keep the affair secret since she was pregnant and therefore it was going to come out anyway one way or another. So even the argument that she was going to suffer a loss of reputation from the sex and pregnancy isn't a defence.

There's no assertion that the nude photos were taken without her consent. It could well be that this is a case of a boy friend being a bit of a dick and getting murdered for it.

jackfreeman · 2012-09-06T13:05:31+00:00

I wondered how long it would take for MR (hey... that's clever) to get a hold of this.

Average_Joe32 · 2012-09-06T13:54:14+00:00

You guys are ridiculous. Women are actual second class citizens in most of the world including Turkey. You cannot be applying Western standards to a country where a woman who is raped could be a victim of an honor killing. Not that it's a common thing, but the culture that would allow that is just below the surface there. Let's keep the mens rights train focused on places where men have more or less given up their institutional advantages and are being disadvantaged in others.

Nimbus1337 · 2012-09-06T20:42:17+00:00

Forgive me if I missed something, but I don't seem to find anything in this article that states evidence or the lack of evidence... It only covers the fact that she murdered him and claimed rape. Where in the story does it say there was no evidence or witnesses? Or is it the fact that they didn't bother tell report the lack of evidence that is the issue?

popman183 · 2012-09-06T21:29:37+00:00

It does say alleged at one point in the article, but not here,

"Rumors had been allegedly running around the village, making life difficult for the victim and her children."

where it should say alleged victim. I don't condone the actions ALLEGEDLY done to this woman, but mental disorders still exist. You can't just throw rape alongside a murder and make the murder justified, morally or legally.

retahnwolc · 2012-09-07T03:08:25+00:00

So Redit, is there anyway we can support this woman? If we can help the elderly lady bullied on a school bus there certainly should be a way for us to support this woman. Please help.

2012-09-06T14:59:40+00:00

I posted this article two days ago and just now people are seeing that this is an issue?

Just goes to show that it's not what you know, it's who you are.

Luxieee · 2012-09-06T19:55:58+00:00

Not popular probably but I feel like pointing out just like yesterday people in here were raging and upvoting to MURDER a woman because she was awful and ruined the OP's life. So... I don't see the big difference.

WhipIash · 2012-09-06T13:32:29+00:00

I'd like to see a story where a man killed his wife because she was cheating. Just to see what those retards have to say about it...

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