Women have been shamed and bullied into staying silenct and tolerating shitty, dangerous behavior so they don't look like a "Karen". Why is there no word for men who misbehave in public, much less men who creep out women?

vanillahcupcakes · 2021-08-25T22:00:52+00:00

One of the many lurkers of this sub messaged me saying the word is douchebag.

No common male name is associated with it. No man feels embarrassed because his name is the punchline of a shitty joke. And no man is scared to stand up for himself or his safety so he doesn't look like a "douchebag".

I can't imagine anything more pathetic than the men who rage-scroll through this sub.

vaguelinen · 2021-08-25T21:33:06+00:00

I had someone get banned for a month for sniffing me at the gym and while allowed back he isn’t allowed to approach female gym members and they actually watch him.

We need to not care about being called a Karen.

I’m done. I’m just done now.

Kompottkopf · 2021-08-25T22:18:02+00:00

So very often I read things like this and I get kind of angry - why is she engaging with him, why is she polite to him, why is she taking her headphones off, why is she answering? She doesn't want to do any of these things.

Yes, women get conditioned not to rock the boat, not to make a scene. Absolutely true, ergo absolutely not their fault to engage in this behaviour.

But what about the silent treatment. Ignoring him. Staring right into in face and eyes with a blank facial expression of disapproval, headphones up and just turning or walking away. Not answering. Not acknowledging him.

Or, and it's so so so weird that this is the last resort, just to tell him 'go away'. There is no aggression in that statement. There is no shame in saying it.

'I don't want to talk to you.' Or even 'no hate, but just piss off.'

I get angry reading posts like these. Angry because FDS taught me that we don't owe them anything, no smile, no politeness, no conversation. This has become my reality. But so many women out there think they have to be polite, have to make conversation, have to tolerate this behaviour silently, like quiet martyrs.

For what?!

It just makes me so angry. About the men. About the women. About the whole fucking disgusting situation.

AAlegend8 · 2021-08-25T21:38:34+00:00

Because it’s misogynistic propaganda. Sad part is, many women adopted it, but in a nutshell it is hate directed at women. Now any time a woman (not men) has a valid complaint and voices it, she risks being called a Karen and so is effectively gagged by the men who made that name up. Mission accomplished, males

EffectiveHoneydew422 · 2021-08-26T02:02:32+00:00

A Karen is just the rare occurrence when A woman shares character traits your average scrote right? Basically women aren't aloud to be total jerks! That a mans business!

jkklfdasfhj · 2021-08-26T14:11:31+00:00

This is why I never go to the gym alone.

And this poor woman thinking this makes her a Karen. SMH.

LateDiagnosedAutie · 2021-08-25T22:21:47+00:00

I have some thoughts... White men managed to recruit white women into their race based hierarchical rhetoric by promising them prestige and status above minorities. It's fine if you, as a white woman, are given second class citizenship because you're still higher in the hierarchy compared to POC, and will have your status protected by white supremacy establishments.

White women were therefore recruited to become the social watchdogs of white supremacy where they could, and would, bark and snarl at POC who got too 'uppity' and 'above their place'. They held no real power except the power to call on The White Establishment for 'rescue' whenever they felt their status being threatened. Male white supremacists gleefully doled out the violence egged on by their lady watchdogs.

These days, these white supremacist ladies are suddenly discovering their status being not only challenged, but also openly recorded, mocked and shamed. White men still practice violence against POC bodies, but they (barely) hide their race war violence behind Rule of Law such as police brutality, a hypocritical double standard justice system and national policies that shove POC out of opportunities to climb the social ladder.

It's pretty telling that it's the (relatively) powerless white women who are being made into jokes and memes, while the Establishment that is used to prop them up is still running strong in resources and respect.

The prevalence of 'The Crazed Karen' is one of the first signs that White Supremacy is losing its power over American society. The White Supremacist men are still desperately holding onto their monopoly on violence on POC bodies, but they don't have the power to spare for their watchdogs anymore. Instead they're abandoning their white supremacist women to be publicly shamed.

I can't say I'm going to cry over the Karens who are shamed for calling the police because a POC child is selling lemonade in 'white neighbourhoods' because F them! But I do think it's disgusting that the 'Karen' moniker is being used by men to call out not just racists, but ANY woman who just says 'no' or challenges any form of male authority in general.

I hope this was coherent. I look forward to the day when the Male Driven Establishments of Race Violence ALSO become shameful jokes and memes on par with the 'Karen recordings'. But, until then, keep fighting the good fight!

TERFSareawesome · 2021-08-26T09:10:09+00:00

This is what is so incredibly dangerous about the popularization of calling women "Karen" who speak up. Since The Gift of Fear, security professionals have been trying over and over to trust their judgement and intuition and learn to speak up and not be afraid of being perceived as "rude" or "mean". Now that's all been thrown away, and any woman who speaks up or is unfriendly is at danger of being labelled a Karen. It is so disgusting and so sick, and so horrible for women everywhere.

the_ghost_of_ · 2021-08-26T02:18:19+00:00

THIS IS WHY KAREN IS A SLUR.

Technusgirl · 2021-08-25T21:03:23+00:00

Yes, we really need to stop worrying about how we look when trying to protect ourselves. This guy knows her birthday, that's stalking and her first instinct should have been to speak to management about it and find another gym until he's kicked out of that one and not worrying about looking like a Karen.

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