Women treat each other worse at work then men treat women or women treat men.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2018-02-24T14:12:43+00:00

The research showed that women who defied gender norms by being more assertive and dominant at work were more likely to be targeted by their female counterparts, compared to women who exhibited fewer of those traits.

But remember, it's men who create and enforce all these social norms so literally everything is to blame on toxic masculinity. Right?

Windex007 · 2018-02-24T17:19:46+00:00

Super interesting leap:

women who defied gender norms by being more assertive and dominant

Got more incivility

...when men acted assertive and warm — in general, not considered the norm...

Got more civility

...men actually get a social credit for partially deviating from their gender stereotypes, a benefit that women are not afforded...

I'm interested if this is just bad journalism, or if the paper actually suggests that its the deviation from "norms", rather than actual behaviour that is the best justification for the change of civility. I have a hard time believing that "maybe being 'warm' is preferable to being 'dominant' if the goal is having civil interactions" isn't explored in the paper, but it's no stretch that the shitshow that is journalists trying to write about science took their own uneducated stab at interpereting the results.

sycophantasy · 2018-02-24T15:45:16+00:00

I think about this every time I hear “there would be no wars in a world of only women.”

MaggieNoodle · 2018-02-24T13:48:16+00:00

This story still manages to throw men under the bus.

mensmod · 2018-02-24T15:18:02+00:00

Please post this in /r/MensRightsLinks so that we have an easily searchable record of it. It is a very useful study to save.

mycroft999 · 2018-02-24T18:22:51+00:00

It has been my experience that I am somewhat more likely to experience (as a man) poor behavior from a female than a male in the workplace. This behavior consistently happens more often and is of greater intensity when it comes from a woman. At my current place of employment a specific group of women many of us refer to as the "sisterhood" or the "mafia" has exercised exceptional influence in decisions about promotion to higher ranks (I'm in a law enforcement organization), continued employment beyond required retirement limits and the creation of new jobs with highly desirable pay and/or scheduling for it's members. The double standard for behavior in my organization is sickening and dangerous.

MadeInBeirut13 · 2018-02-25T00:02:44+00:00

Every place ive ever worked that had a 50/50 split in staffing, it was a daily occurrence where the women would have a "situation" with each other, and management would have to constantly mediate. When we looked at statistics of certain branches in our companies that had a more 80/20 split, with men being the majority of the staff, they would always excell in every metric whether it was sales numbers or retention.

When an office or sales setting has a majority in female upper management, there would be noticeable retention problems in both male and femalw employees, plus a very noticeable HR presence in internal investigations. I asked an HR rep at Verizon about this when I worked there (female HR rep) and her blunt response was "woman are the worst"

hurryupandfailplease · 2018-02-24T15:57:57+00:00

Women treat eachother worse..

Nyosty · 2018-02-24T16:22:19+00:00

"Paired with estimates that incivility can cost organizations an estimated $14,000 per employee, this presents a problem for organizations." How exactly does this cost organizations that much money per person?

SchmidtytheKid · 2018-02-24T18:15:43+00:00

In my office, that is definitely true

foot_kisser · 2018-02-24T18:56:08+00:00

The researchers also found that when men acted assertive and warm — in general, not considered the norm for male behavior — they reported lower incivility from their male counterparts. This suggests men actually get a social credit for partially deviating from their gender stereotypes, a benefit that women are not afforded.

My guess would be simpler. Instead of some complex interactions with social credit and partial deviations from gender stereotypes, I'd suggest that men respond in kind to other men being warm by being warm themselves.

I mean, if someone's being nice to you, why would your reaction be "that jerk, how dare he be nice to me"?

LiberCon03 · 2018-02-25T01:31:41+00:00

I'm a restaurant manager. About 70% of my employees are women. In my experience, this is unquestionably true. Finding truth and fairness through all their lies and manipulative tactics against each other is probably the hardest part of my job.

VicisSubsisto · 2018-02-24T16:31:51+00:00

women who defied gender norms by being more assertive and dominant

men acted assertive and warm — in general, not considered the norm for male behavior

So assertiveness is not a male or female trait? Are only trigender pyrofoxes naturally assertive?

romulusnr · 2018-02-24T19:19:45+00:00

I'll just put this here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/8459167/Good-looking-women-discriminated-against-by-female-recruiters.html

Dr_Dornon · 2018-02-24T15:13:47+00:00

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ThreeLF · 2018-02-24T18:41:46+00:00

INtErnALizEd mIsoGyNy

icorrectotherpeople · 2018-02-24T20:25:45+00:00

That’s because petty politics works its way into every facet of women’s lives. My gf always has some crazy story about the politics of her friends and frenemies and she acts like it’s a global geopolitical situation.

6space6space6 · 2018-02-24T18:55:34+00:00

I've seen a huge amount of female on female violence in my lifetime, as well as drama. This stat doesn't surprise me.

meeselbon573 · 2018-02-24T18:03:48+00:00

This would be getting tons of media if the study showed men to blame.

wwwhistler · 2018-02-24T22:17:44+00:00

"The researchers also found that when men acted assertive and warm — in general, not considered the norm for male behavior — they reported lower incivility from their male counterparts. This suggests men actually get a social credit for partially deviating from their gender stereotypes, a benefit that women are not afforded."....or maybe it just doesn't matter that much to men.

theothermod · 2018-02-25T04:44:35+00:00

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mrwhibbley · 2018-02-24T18:59:48+00:00

As a male ER nurse surrounded by women, yes, women are their own worst enemy and most likely the cause of most other the wage gap as well as lack of advancements.

mcmur · 2018-02-24T18:09:04+00:00

Anybody who has worked in any sort of female dominated work space knows this.

2018-02-24T19:18:38+00:00

I work for a company with a large seasonal workforce that happens to be mostly women. When we start ramping up production in December me and our HR manager make bets on which crew will have drama first. Just yesterday I came back from lunch to find a new hire setting in the lobby crying.

mgtowshoes · 2018-02-25T05:12:24+00:00

When this producer launched a women-only TV company she thought she'd kissed goodbye to conflict...

hird · 2018-02-24T20:35:11+00:00

THAN

AresPhobos · 2018-02-24T22:08:29+00:00

I've worked in both office and retail environments and this is true for both.

Spartan17492 · 2018-02-24T22:38:16+00:00

I work in child care. This is very true.

Kalahati · 2018-02-24T22:45:03+00:00

As a male server, this is incredibly accurate.

2018-02-24T23:57:32+00:00

This is highly because of this: https://web.stanford.edu/~niederle/NV.AnnualReview.Print.pdf

This paper is from Stanford and studies how gender affects competitive nature among men and women.

abacabbmk · 2018-02-24T21:40:32+00:00

Even women don't like to be in all women teams. They also prefer male managers.

But yeah, males fault.

2018-02-24T22:10:55+00:00

Every woman I've ever dated has said this. Yes, there are asshole dudes at work who make life very difficult, but 90% of complaints they have about co-workers are about other women.

There are some real cruel and douche bag dudes out there, but let me tell you, in high school, I'd rather have a dude punch me in the stomach or the face than be a chick and have my best friend going around spreading rumours about me gang-banging 10 dudes, fucking my uncle, teacher, or best friends bf, or that I fucked myself with a hog dog, have an STD and spread peanut butter on my cooch and let my dog lick it up. ALL of those are rumours (some ubran legends) that I have heard GIRLS in high school spread about girls who were their friends.

That is some twisted shit.

And in the professional world it just gets worse and more vindictive because they actually use believable shit.

FruitierGnome · 2018-02-24T17:20:45+00:00

I don't know hardly any lifetime "girl friend's". They always seem to stab each other in the back if they spend to much time together. Almost every man i know has at least one very long term bro.

2018-02-24T17:04:09+00:00

In other news: water is wet. /s

KorvisKhan · 2018-02-24T15:47:27+00:00

r/titlegore but still an interesting study

Ryzasu · 2018-02-24T16:29:04+00:00

r/titlegore

proteios1 · 2018-02-24T21:15:54+00:00

this research has been established for years. Most pro-women and anti-male researchers had hoped these were anomalies, but apparently you cannot form too many women only groups without the friction. Maybe these groups need more diversity

Endermiss · 2018-02-24T22:02:13+00:00

I fucking believe it! I work in a vet clinic primarily staffed by women and the sheer cattiness is unreal. They can be so rude to each other (and to me, am also woman) over practically nothing. I'm not interested in workplace drama, so I try to kill 'em with kindness, but it's definitely made me reevaluate my momentum in working in the veterinary field, considering that a large proportion of vet techs seem to be female.

Chaskar · 2018-02-25T11:30:27+00:00

Note how /r/feminism is of course again saying it's because of misogyny

Dembara · 2018-02-24T19:10:41+00:00

While interesting, I do not think this is directly men's rights.

MisPlacedNeuroBlue · 2018-02-24T20:27:24+00:00

Old news - i learned that in junior high. Nobody was meaner; more cruel to each other; more of a back stabbing rumor mongering traitor, than one girl was to another girl - often after having just smiled to one another and walking away from each other.

"Competition is Sin" - John D Rockefeller

DimoneFreehold18 · 2018-02-24T19:27:39+00:00

I'm shocked! (I'm not at all)

sumfacilispuella · 2018-02-25T03:54:46+00:00

I feel like this is hard to discuss as a woman, because when you point out that you would rather work with men and that some women tend to be catty as fuck, people assume you are the bitchy lady who cant get along with women or that you have internalized misogyny. No. Some people just want to do their work and then go the fuck home.

Now2Forever · 2018-02-25T07:59:59+00:00

This is no surprise. The worst domestic violence occurs in a household with two lesbians.

Dembara · 2018-02-24T19:07:01+00:00

Makes sense. You expect there to be a lot of in-group competition in the workplace.

2018-02-24T23:47:31+00:00

Is it worse than how men treat men?

CALAMITYFOX · 2018-02-25T08:40:17+00:00

Holy shit can confirm this.

Thatguymorganwall · 2018-02-25T10:37:53+00:00

No shit

2018-02-25T10:41:32+00:00

I wonder what it's like on the flipside, whether men treat each other worse than the rest.

2018-02-25T11:03:22+00:00

My GF is in such divide with her roommates, because they take their complaints to the landlord. I fucked back at my place, had my roommate come knock at my door let me know my mistake and i let him know that im gonna fix that the next day. He thanked me went back about his business, true to my word i fix the issue. Thats that. but she gets some petty sneaky biz from the two people who arent doing any cleaning, or supply any communal necessities, and have made it their complete space. And gets an email from her landlord.

2018-02-24T21:02:53+00:00

"Women who aren't progressive liberal feminists are bad for business, and men suck too."... I wonder, does this author have a gender studies degree or a social justice degree?

chambertlo · 2018-02-25T03:18:03+00:00

Is anyone shocked? Women hate each other for the most part. I’ve seen women throw glass bottles at each other just because they walked by them with attitude. It’s ridiculous.

2018-02-25T03:41:35+00:00

This is true. I used to be a cook and worked with mostly women. I got along fine with nearly all of the women but I noticed that the women often didn't like each other and were always talking bad about each other behind their backs. Just like high school all over again.

EvidencePlz · 2018-02-25T04:04:59+00:00

Come to my workplace and see it for yourself. It happens every day, all the time. Not a single day goes by when a woman didn't cry because of the bullshit she had to put up with because of another woman's evil douchbaggery.

warcroft · 2018-02-25T05:29:56+00:00

Yep. Goes hand in hand with lesbian couples having the biggest rates of domestic violence.

Women are bitches. Always attacking each other. Its in their nature.

We live in a society where men are punished for responding and retaliating against bitchiness.

But women are free to respond to bitchiness with more bitchiness.

SSFW3925 · 2018-02-24T15:52:28+00:00

Men don’t do anything that is not rewarded by sex. Men are exactly what women want them to be.

_Amish_Electrician · 2018-02-24T22:07:58+00:00

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ciobanica · 2018-02-24T17:07:55+00:00

But not worse then men treat men?

Title	Women treat each other worse at work then men treat women or women treat men.
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