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Science finally admits that it's a myth that we fall off a fertility cliff at 35

orangechickengeneral

April 10, 2021
559 upvotes
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/10/fertility-cliff-age-35-week-in-patriarchy?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3VVxWirm54sNdW97np9SFssm4mKC6qJJPXJI-wQJHX9-2amx1bT_ZXogA#Echobox=1618045785
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Title Science finally admits that it's a myth that we fall off a fertility cliff at 35
Author

orangechickengeneral

Upvotes 559
Comments 52
Date April 10, 2021 6:15 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/mo9y1l/science_finally_admits_that_its_a_myth_that_we/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/science-finally-admits-that-its-a-myth-that-we.1189154
https://theredarchive.com/post/1189154
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[–]chickenlesnuggetFDS Newbie 203 points204 points205 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm... you know, having a child around 35 sounds much better than having one in my twenties. All I've seen of motherhood is struggle with finances, childcare, and shitty partners. But I've never considered what it would be like to raise a child with a HVM in my 30s. I will have to consider it.

[–]spinsterchachkiesFDS Disciple 148 points149 points150 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t news lol 😂 My great grandmother was having babies all the way up until menopause at 50. I’m like no thanks but that’s Catholics for ya

[–]RiasXgremoryX 288 points289 points290 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My mother had her last baby naturally at 49, on the other hand I've known women in their 20s who were struggling to conceive. Fertility is unique in every woman and I'm glad this myth is being exposed as another one of the patriarchy's lies.

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 125 points126 points127 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a few women who gave birth in their 40s. The women in my family have a late menopause as well. Doesn't matter to me as I don't want children but it's great for women who do.

[–]Subject_TicketFDS Newbie 106 points107 points108 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fertility is unique in every woman

I think this is a perfect way to put it.

[–]FitncurlyFDS Disciple 82 points83 points84 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have an aunt that was mysteriously infertile for her whole youth (even ended up adopting) and then naturally conceived and gave birth in her mid-40’s. Life’s wild like that.

[–]coolestgirlyouevermeFDS Apprentice 263 points264 points265 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I wonder how much of older women's struggle to conceive is related to their older partner's sperm quality...🙄

[–]amhran_oicheFDS Newbie 164 points165 points166 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm in the birth and fertility field and this is a hugely understudied subject. Declination of sperm quality is a huge factor!! Men can orgasm into old age but that speaks on nothing about procreation. Sperm becomes more damaged, less mobile, and in fewer concentration as men age.

[–]blue_avocado59 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

One of my previous PIs (a man!) said this exact thing. He said this field needs more research, but that in general, fertility was tied to the age of the male. He had lots of interesting observations and could talk for hours about the research. He strongly believed that women could safely have children into their 40s, but that men could not safely father children at that same age.

[–]InayahDaneenFDS Newbie 40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No wonder why sperm banks won’t accept Sperm from men over 32.

[–]amhran_oicheFDS Newbie 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both of my parents had children in their 40s, all are totally normal! I was actually talking to some colleagues today (I guess this post was lingering in the back of my head) about the studies that show that male age corresponds to Down syndrome rate as well, not just female age.

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[–]IgetUsernameScrapsFDS Newbie 83 points84 points85 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is known. But hell no, they will never admit that. Blaming the women all these years, just like they blame us for everything else.

[–]anotherdamnloserFDS Newbie 41 points42 points43 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, and making us believe we aren’t worth anything after 30.

[–]godandgoddess 23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always wondered this too. Would the findings on the fertility cliff be the same if a woman in her 40s had kids with a guy in his 20s? Or would that impact the results?

[–]FitncurlyFDS Disciple 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This

[–]AocwannabeFDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[–]CeruleaAzuraFDS Newbie 76 points77 points78 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've been talking about this to everyone I know for years, probably irritating the hell out of them but I don't care. What scientists have done to women with these bullshit lies (basing a fertility study on women in 1700s France, are you kidding?) is criminal in my mind.

How many women's 20s have been stolen because they believed they had to have kids before 30? How many women live in regret because they rushed to have children based on this utter bullshit?

Do not just 'trust science'. Do not just blindly trust scientists. Especially as women. Scientists are people and people often have agendas. I firmly believe that these lies were deliberate. Look at all the articles about dwindling birth rates. Those in charge know that the more educated and independent we are, they fewer children we have. So what better way to turn that around than to cause women to panic and rush into having children before they even know what they want from life?

[–]Fit_Juice 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not think our eggs shrivelling up is our major concern anymore since we gained financial independence, (yay!) we have always been an existential bunch of monkeys. We have already concluded life is meaningless and future generations will not even contain much of our DNA anymore (defeating the whole legacy, immortality bullshit). Why would I spend years I could be having fun, rearing children instead so some rich fucker can live their lavish lifestyle and then pass it down to their trust fund babies? Not to mention pregnancies wreck our bodies, may potentially kill us, are expensive, shrink and alter our brains (believe it or not), they are overall little parasitic shits that do not know when to shut up (no matter how old they get) . Oh, and men in most cases are trash, the cons outweigh the pros, and they know it. Life is God awful, and I would hate having to put another person through this mess.

[–]intergalacticanon44FDS Newbie 74 points75 points76 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah my aunt gave birth to 4 children naturally after 45 😂

[–]OrcristaFDS Newbie 56 points57 points58 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've always thought that the reason woman may have problems conceiving after age 35 is that they have problems with fertility anyway; and if they had tried to conceive at 25 they would have had the same issue 🤷🏾‍♀️

[–]frostedgemstoneFDS Newbie 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s true. This is just anecdotal experience but my mother had my brother in her early 20s and had me in her later 30s equally easily.

[–]18hourbruhFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, especially because these studies tend to only track first pregnancies. A woman that never had an accidental pregnancy until her 40s is, on a statistical (not individual) level, more likely to have had fertility problems from the jump.

[–]Subject_TicketFDS Newbie 110 points111 points112 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Such a stupid myth. My mom had twins naturally when she was 40.

[–]wonkyeyes8877 55 points56 points57 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone I know was a "happy accident" baby because his parents thought there was no way she could get pregnant at 40. He was a perfectly healthy baby and there were no complications, unsurprisingly.

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[–]NovemberinthechairFDS Disciple 49 points50 points51 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe this myth started when men decided they want to have sex with women too young for them. It's the only reason this myth exists.

[–]ello-mottoFDS Apprentice 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. This.

Especially since male fertility and sperm quality linked with age is an underfunded and underpublicized area of research. 🤔

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I kind of figured that it was a myth because I know of tons of educated older women having children in their 40's. Like a poster said already, fertility is unique to every woman.

[–]PasdepromessesFDS Disciple 70 points71 points72 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad that science finally catches up. Both my grandmas could’ve told you that long ago.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

About time!

[–]_queeeen_FDS Newbie 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not interested in another article about women’s fertility. Start reporting on men’s factor in conception, which has been sorely left out of the sciencey shaming.

[–]PokePrincess95FDS Newbie 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had a doctor once tell me that I “need to get on that” after I told him I wanted to get a long therm birth control option (IUD) I was 24.

[–]saggy_lemons1FDS Newbie 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eww! What a weirdo...

[–]superderpina_FDS Newbie 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I fucking knew it!

[–]savedempathFDS Newbie 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My mom had my brother at 34 and my sister at 40 and delivered us all vaginally. Whenever I hear a man use that as his argument as to why women should be more mindful about getting pregnant younger. I know that they A. Have no idea what they are talking about B. Need to stop policing women's bodies. C. Have no faith, and are PARTAKING in societal pressure. D. Aka they are full of it.

[–]ello-mottoFDS Apprentice 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone ring Jordan fucking Peterson. He loves harping on about women's fertility and that's why they need to settle down and get their shit together earlier than men. 🙄 (Ergo also giving LVM a pass for pissing away their prime years on video games and porn).

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[–]SpicyScroteRoasteryFDS Newbie 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is really nice to read even though I'm starting to doubt I actually will have children. I really thought the time was up already, I'm not even 30 yet.

[–]BIGnigma694FDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom had me at 40. 26 years later she’s my best friend and has the personality of a 25 year old. I’m happy

[–]Gloomy-Ad3145FDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom was told to stay on her IUD in her late 40's or else she could have twins or even triplets....

[–]PartypuppersFDS Apprentice 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't believe what an understudied topic this is. It's mind boggling that more work hasn't been done on it!

[–]nolongerhume 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay so can we now talk about how men's sperm undergoes degradation after age 35 that not only creates difficulty with conception but can also cause harm to the mother and child. With the latter manifesting as developmental issues, mental illness or congenital diseases for the child.

As always the burden of fertility and reproduction is placed on women, but men need to have the light shone on them as well. The whole, "men can reproduce into their 90s" crap is tired.

[–]Clean_Birthday8327FDS Newbie 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I work as a bud tender at a pot shop and I’ve noticed that guys who are daily heavy pot smokers fuck with reckless abandon and have no kids. I’ve also had friends who tried to conceive with heavy pot smokers and couldn’t but eventually ended up pregnant by another man. My female friends and customers who share children with a heavy pot smokers generally report that it took them longer to conceive. This is all anecdotal but I can’t help but feel like fertility doctors haven’t made the connection yet and the woman blames herself. I haven’t heard about adverse effects on fertility in women caused by cannabis.

[–]CountrysideZebra 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My money is on mens sperm being Shit but men aka science will never own up to that

[–]orangechickengeneral4 points 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Of course not

[–]sayaveronica 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just had my (probably) last baby at 39 and read a lot about this beforehand... There’s a lot of fearmongering that makes it sound like it’s nearly impossible to conceive after 35, and if you manage it, the kid will probably be fucked up, etc.

From what I was reading, I was prepared to try for 2 years to conceive this baby. It took 2 months. Lol.

[–]biceps_to_die_forFDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What an article! I sent it to all my friends. It's time we stop making women solely responsible for infertility problems and admit that men also don't age like 'fine wine'

[–]elliecat1FDS Newbie 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I was EIGHTEEN and still in high school I had some cysts on my ovaries that got found accidentally- NOT pcos I had no other symptoms etc. GP told me ‘when you meet the right guy, don’t wait because you might find it hard to conceive’ Those words still make me feel so icky!

[–]Huffle_Tess87 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I will turn 34 in just a few weeks. My husband and I has tried for 7 years now to have a healthy baby. No luck yet... so this gives me so much hope. To read the article but also your comments. It’s not to late and there is still a big chance that I will have my miracle. Thank you!

[–]ello-mottoFDS Apprentice 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know women who tried for years with their partner but ended up conceiving in their late 30s. Definitely don't give up! Keep a healthy lifestyle and keep trying. 💕

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