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Has TRP made you more conservative?

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October 29, 2018
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While I won't be going to any Trump rallies anytime soon, I have found myself being more sympathetic with conservative opinions since taking the pill. I see feminism as the cancer it is, am a proud American and chauvinist, I'm more resistant towards taxes since I've gotten a real job, and I roll my eyes on cue to SJW ideology bleeding through in the media. Has anyone else experienced this?


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Title Has TRP made you more conservative?
Author ZhmaoZao
Upvotes 162
Comments 178
Date 29 October 2018 03:18 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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Link https://theredarchive.com/post/136023
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/9s9kdz/has_trp_made_you_more_conservative/
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[–][deleted] 135 points136 points  (21 children) | Copy

I was pretty liberal in HS, but it was easy to be liberal when I was surrounded by conservatives. I then went to a liberal college and met real liberals and realized they're fucking nuts with all their social justice bullshit. I happened to encounter TRP around a similar time, but I think I found TRP more because I was becoming more conservative than the other way around.

[–]menial_optimist68 points69 points  (10 children) | Copy

It's all about getting older and realizing the truth of the world and of human beings. There is a saying "If a man is not a socialist at 25 he has no heart, but if he remains a socialist at 45 he has no brain". Classical Liberalism (Republicanism) has done more to free the common person from the chains of eternal poverty moreso than any other system in the history of civilization. Take that in for a second. The foundational principles of classical liberalism are private property and human rights around that property, and are very rigid. These principles have progressed humanity to the point where the poorest person in western countries lives as a King would 200 years ago. No one ever claimed it was perfect though, which modern liberals love to cherrypick negative aspects of history regarding this progress.

When taken in with the big picture in mind, the human progress achieved by classical liberalism is mount Everest, while socialism is like a tiny anthill. Socialism (and its resulting political system Communism) is a religion for victims, because when you study it you quickly realize it cannot exist without a perceived victim class. This is very attractive for the poor because it allows them to excuse their poor financial decisions onto an alleged oppressive class that has robbed them of what they perceive they deserve.

[–]RaughKee6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love that quote, sometimes falsely attributed to Sir Winston Churchill, it is thought to be originally by John Adams...

[–]KilluaKanmuru2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

That's an interesting analysis. I consider myself vibing with liberal ideas. I started watching the "change my mind" dude on YouTube. And was nodding my head at alot of what he was saying. I'm experiencing alot of dissonance. On the one hand I agree it's good to be useful to your fellow man. But, then I look at all of the homelessness in Baltimore and think "Why is this tolerated?" It can't be merely just their fault that they're homeless. Also, the police here are out of control. They keep asking for money and doing fuck all with it, bleeding schools and hindering social programs like Safe Streets from growing that actually produce results. I'm not for victim mentality. But, I'm also not for suffering. If these people aren't victims what are they? What do you call people who are being subjected to criminal actions?

[–]menial_optimist2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

In a classical liberal society there are at least two ways to help homeless people. One is to provide a framework where homeless and unemployed can have access to jobs if they decide to improve their lives, which free markets not strangled by regulations and bureaucracy provide just fine. The other is for private groups of concerned individuals to set up charities or volunteer groups to shelter, teach and in any other way help homeless people. In terms of principles two people may have the same objective of helping the homeless. The first person wants to use tax money to set up housing, pay them a living income and other benefits. The second person wants to help through private voluntary cooperation to do the same thing. The latter person is the more noble because he accomplishes his objectives purely out of his own pocket, voluntarily cooperating with other private individuals and not burdening those who do not wish to participate. The former is rooted in force (taxation through government), so therefore is not noble at all.

When a politician stands up and announces a 49 layer plan to "end homelessness" what he's really doing is announcing how he's going to spend millions of dollars of other peoples money on other people with almost no risk to himself, while soaking in the admiration of others for how great he is.

Classical Liberal economist Milton Friedman had a great point when he described the four ways to spend money:

“There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government. And that’s close to 40% of our national income.”

[–]KilluaKanmuru1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for breaking that down. Do you think "wage slavery" truly exists?

[–]menial_optimist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only so far as the person does not better themselves. Just as with RP one can raise their SMV through hard work, one can make themselves more financially valuable by upgrading skills or receiving higher education. A dude who works at mcdonalds into his 40s is not a wage slave, he is a fool.

[–]DamiensLust1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Milton's Friedman's economic theory has had absolutely devastating results when applied in practically every developing nation that has decided to implement it.

[–]menial_optimist0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Such as?

[–]DamiensLust1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chile in the 1970s, Post-Soviet Poland, Thailand & Indonesia in the 90s, South Africa post-apartheid, the list goes on & on.

[–]menial_optimist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What the fuck. You come in here challenging my statements? My ego cannot allow this.

[–]DamiensLust1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

hahahaha. milton friedman and the chicago boys' economic theory is wonderful if you happen to be in the 0.001% who will benefit from the mass privatisation - i.e. if you are connected in some way and so can get set up with some of the profits from mass privatisation. otherwise, you're fucked. income inequality grows enormously under friedman economics which is why it always has to be implemented with extreme force on a struggling population who will invariably do their best to overthrow the regime.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

For me, being a liberal was just accepting the ideas of authority figures around me. It was only after seeing what a beta said ideologies turned me into that I decided to take the pill and rebel.

[–]menial_optimist18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's hardcore liberals who are 40+ that scare me the most. They have drank the kool-aid so long they are zealously devoted to full blown communism (think Sean Penn).

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah, agreed. I seldom meet a liberal that isn't scrawny armed and pussy whipped. I think certain liberal ideas, like high taxes and lower military spending, are good... but overall, it's no good.

[–]SolarTortality16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Peace through superior firepower is the only real peace

[–]glitch820 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Right, however.... other countries have enjoyed peace under our protection and contributed absolutely $0 to our 600 billion dollar a year defense budget.

Also, I’m concerned that we aren’t getting our money’s worth with that much spent, probably due to that Friedman quote cited a few comments earlier. But, assuming we are or absolutely cannot get our tax dollars to go farther, I’m still of the opinion that maybe we need to look at allocating some of that defense money in other areas that might constitute scientific and technological PROGRESS, like creating deep space mining and resource transportation infrastructure, researching general AI, creating new financial instruments, etc. These monumental tasks are too large and costly for the combined GDP of some 1st world nations, let alone one corporation or a few private institutions, to take on.

Just a sixth of our defense budget, at 100 billion a year, and we’d be leaving other nations in the dust scientifically, technologically and industrially. I say let them fight over the limited resources on this blue dot while we’re busy tapping and exploiting bodies from the far fringes of our solar system, all while we bring artificial intelligence online to give us breakthroughs in physics, finance and medicine, along with the relevant social paradigm shifts we’re all betting on.

[–]SolarTortality0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A large fraction of our defense budget is being allocated to weapons and defense research already. That’s part of what the defense budget is.

Yes, other countries get to spend their money on universal healthcare and whatnot because they are existing under our defense umbrella. Yes, we should make them contribute.

[–]brethrenelementary0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why are high taxes good?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If the money is used correctly, a lot of public good can be done by reinvesting into the community. High-paid teachers attract more intelligent individuals to the profession and an overall bettered system, which then outputs better students into the world who can then themselves contribute more to the country's economic system in the future. Also, keeping cities under constant construction and clean impacts emotions very positively even if you don't notice (think about having a clean vs dirty room) and costs a lot as well. Military to keep the people safe is expensive. Etc, etc. I'm not as big on things like taxes to fund other people's medical expenses and such, and I'm not big on welfare or anything, but a society with high taxes can do a lot of public good to help sustain itself and have more people reach a high income strata, globally.

[–]Zanford0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a great anecdote.

[–]gaki1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

holy shit this

[–]CainPrice93 points94 points  (18 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say that The Red Pill has "made" me more conservative, but it has reaffirmed the conservative values I've developed as I aged.

I used to be a staunch liberal when I was younger. Then I got older and got a job and started working hard for my money and realized that I don't want a bunch of my hard work and a bunch of my money going to fund things that I don't use and that don't benefit me. And I realized that despite how hard I had worked to get where I was, most liberal people didn't think I (or anybody with a good job and money) worked that hard to make all of that money. They all just thought I was lucky (e.g., "privileged"), and therefore, I shouldn't benefit too strongly from all of that unfair luck that just happened to fall upon me.

The Red Pill encourages men to work. To better themselves. To grow as people and find their place in the world. Primarily for our own benefit.

Any ideology that tells people to work hard for their own benefit and quit bitching about the fact that other people appear to have it easier (e.g., are lucky or "privileged") is going to trend conservative.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

I definitely agree. Being a liberal felt too much like complaining about everything and agreeing with whatever women say so may be they'll sleep with you. Being conservative feels like taking responsibility for what you can change and having your own opinion.

[–]CainPrice51 points52 points  (3 children) | Copy

Liberal mentality is, very literally, the blue pill way. Compare these two scenarios:

Liberal: I can't believe they promoted that guy over me. I've been working for the company longer and putting in long hours, and nobody notices my hard work. Meanwhile, that guy saunters in with a degree from an Ivy League school and a pretty smile and gets the job, all due to his privileged background. The fact that he's (male/white/hetero/whatever) and I'm (female/minority/gay/watever) is probably part of the reason, too. This job is just a stepping stone for him, while I'm actually hard-working and care about this company and plan on staying for the long haul.

Blue Pill: I can't believe she went home with that asshole instead of dating me. I've been her friend for years, and she barely looks at me. And she keeps going home with guys who charm her with their good looks and cool attitude but treat her like an asshole. All because they were born with good looks and big muscles. She's just sex to them, while I actually care about her and would date her for real.

[–]carbonhexoxide9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit

[–]Original_Dankster4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

THIS. Excellently presented, articulate and astute.

Anybody who is thinks they are both "red pilled" and also a leftist, is lying to themselves about one of those two premises.

[–]SolarTortality4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great analysis

[–]MakoShark931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't lose your head to fit in.

[–]DECKADUBS2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

@CainPrice You guys have such a confused caricature of liberals. There is so much platitude in this comment. Excuse me while I go in.

Your $ you make from your very manly job is going to bombing 8 different countries right now. That takes far more money from you than social services you don't use. You also pay for the welfare of others to an extent. Why? Because the major companies that employ them underpay the workers.

Example: Walmart pays about 7 billion to its executives yearly. The government pays for 1 billion in welfare for the workers. If Walmart paid its workers more they wouldn't be on welfare. The Walton family wealth has increased by like 9000% in the past 40 years.

No one is telling you not to work hard for your own benefit. That's what America was founded on. Liberals have to convince the public & politicians that there is a decent amount of economic inequality in this country. Why? So they can push policy that would help bring that gap down. Why do you hear more of it now? Because economic inequality is the worst it's been since the late 1800's in this country & a totally repairable issue.

Keep working & making the most of things. Success is a great thing. But pretending that liberalism is somehow inherently regressive is just partisan & stupid.

[–]CainPrice3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Liberal people have this crazy idea that rich people don't deserve to be as rich as they are and don't work hard for it, and that if only they would share more money and cut into their profit margins, the world would be just so great. They think that companies are money trees, and any time a working class person doesn't have enough money, it's because a greedy, rich corporation owner isn't sharing enough of his endless fruit from his money tree with everyone else.

The idea that people wealthier than you are work harder than you do and deserve all of their success is beyond your comprehension.

[–]1FixYourselfFirst1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

IMO, both sides have some extremists with crazy ideas.

Disclaimer: I'm an independent, having voted for R's and D's (and Libertarian) over the last 30 years.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like about half of the libertarians. The other half are crazy wackos who are practically anarchists.

Think the government should keep its nose out of social issues and let people handle their own gay, drugged up, abortion-filled lives, or to live as conservatively as they please? As long as nobody is hurting anybody else? Great. I agree. Don't tell me what I can or can't do, and don't try to force me to accept what other people do. Make it illegal for me to harm people I don't like, but let me say and think whatever I want to about them. And give them the same rights about me.

But the government should also, to an equal extent, keep its nose out of how people run their businesses. If people will work for the pay and benefits I'm offering and pay the price I'm charging for goods, as long as I'm not hurting anybody else with dangerous products or conditions? Let me do my thing. If I suck at it, nobody will buy my stuff or want to work for me. If people are buying my shit and I'm making lots of money, and employees flock to work for me, that means I'm good at my job. Stay out of my way.

The government should keep the roads paved, the borders protected from invaders, and maintain a very basic level of safety for the citizens living within the borders, but otherwise shut the hell up.

[–]1FixYourselfFirst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The other half are crazy wackos who are practically anarchists.

Met one 'libertarian' who felt the Constitution didn't apply to him, because he didn't sign it. Another one felt we should abolish the FCC, and allow anyone to broadcast on any spectrum at any power level.

[–]DECKADUBS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This just shows how willfully ignorant you want to be at this point. I very clearly debunked that whole “libs don’t think I earned my 60k cause I’m white” thing and all you did was ignore the facts that I gave and doubled down. You’re saying what a group of people you don’t belong to (and clearly know nothing about) think in hopes of stramanning them to bolster your own ignorance.

I thought maybe plain terms would reach you but clearly you’re lost. Don’t wonder why you’re not getting laid as much as you’d like though my dude. The answer for that is in your thinking skills and responses. Enjoy.

[–]SteveStJohn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Any ideology that tells people to work hard for their own benefit and quit bitching about the fact that other people appear to have it easier (e.g., are lucky or "privileged") is going to trend conservative.

Correctamundo

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

It’s funny that you say dis bredda. When I was going to college, I was literally on the road for 5-6 hours a day. I took night classes and took 5 courses per semester. I worked a full time job. I got maybe an hr of sleep per night (IF that;due to stress). I did this for 4 years.

One of my lower class friends told me I was lucky to have a girlfriend and a good job. That I’m one of those guys that gets everything easy and that he works so hard and has nothing. He’s 50 years old and has been a security guard for 20 years. He’s 5’4 and weighs 300 lbs. He smokes cigarettes relentlessly, in his own home, and seldom brushes his teeth. He’s also African American so that’s another one of his excuses.

I’m not white but I calmly explained to him what I did to get where I got today. He stopped saying that shit. But yes. A lot of people think everything comes so easy. They have no idea the time and effort it takes to get a professional degree.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

For every one of us who worked our ass off, there's liberal white male who really did have it easy that's assuming we're all like him.

He went to school using his parents money, got a B.A. in business, is working a 9-5 job for an insurance company, and assumes that anybody who's making more money than he is, runs a successful business, or is kicking ass in the world in some other way just happened to be born into a better and more privileged life than he has. Because that's all he knows. In his world, that's how your lot in life is determined.

I can image that this thought process is even more magnified for non white males who think that the very fact that you're born a white male is, itself, your key to success.

There are people out there who genuinely believe that rich white fat cats gather in a back room after dark, drinking brandy and smoking cigars and making handshake deals about how to stay rich and keep minorities and middle class people down. The idea that these rich fat cats work harder than any of them think is possible is beyond their comprehension.

[–]DECKADUBS2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Statistically speaking generationally wealthy white people are conservative in their political leanings. Your train of thought is all imagination based my dude. It's quite literally the exact opposite of what you're saying.

Right wingers talk about facts over feelings & love numbers until there is data to show that a white hetero male is more likely to have an easier go of it than any other group in America. Does that mean that counts for everyone including yourself? No. Does that mean you have to prove you didn't have it easy? No.

It's pretty telling that this entire comment thread features not one statistic. If you're going to say you're a conservative & have a reason, then at least make your reason be a real one. You can pull ass & be liberal or conservative that's fine. But boy oh boy do you not have any understanding of political ideology if the deciding factor for you is made from some SJW pwnge compilation & a sex help board.

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Spotted the lower middle class liberal!

[–]DECKADUBS2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

No you found the guy that gave you facts you couldn’t dispute.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (5 children) | Copy

I think getting older has made me conservative, and not much more than I was. My whole family is mostly Dem and that's alright with me. My previous employer was deeply libertarian and I now live in a red state. I hardly see any Democratic news, but I do listen to NPR. It's crazy watching FOX then listening to NPR then coming online to see something different. I think the major issue is that both sides aren't getting the whole story and none of it can really be validated. They are just echo chambers on loops that affirm themselves.

Fucking cultist shit man.

[–]SteveStJohn7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are just echo chambers on loops that affirm themselves.

Yep!

[–]elcremero 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Amen brother. Most of these issues are misconstrued in the first place

Like school shootings. The answer isn't less guns or more guns, it's a more competent police force. Remember the coward cops at Parkland? Remember the Ohio shooting a few days later where the shooter got shut down instantly bc the resource officer was ex-SWAT? You don't because MSM didn't blow it up, but it happened, and it proves a lot

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

School shootings are difficult for me. I am and have always been a very very sweet person. Ten times the kindness of those around me most times, blue pill I bent over backwards for everyone around me just in spite of the consequences.

Unless from wildfire I simply cannot imagine getting shot during something like that. People need to wake the fuck up to how they treat each and every human being around them.

It doesn't solve the mental health issues, but bullying is a symptom of poor parenting, overworked parents with faces stuck to screens instead of raising kids. The whole system is chaos on purpose.

So many clumsy half built kids. We gotta stop making that guy.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not necessarily.

Being a liberal taught me how to be more staunch and supportive of equal rights. But on another note, it made me believe women today were drowning in oppression and sorrow.

I have zero associations with conservatives, and trump is businessman first before a politician. Obama was a neoliberal, and bush was a dunce on OJT.

Red pill awareness helped me value myself more in a feminist dominated society. Everyone wants to believe women, but no one wants to understand the danger they can cause.

[–]jackandjill223 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a Christopher Hitchens leftist with Jordan Peterson views on culture. My politics are more like Slavoj Zizek & my cultural views sympathize with conservatism. Fundamentally I'm a reactionary I dislike the normal flow of society & often push against it.

[–]HurricaneHugues22 points23 points  (8 children) | Copy

I was never left or right. I was always in the middle. Both camps have very good philosophies on different subjects.

[–]val-amart-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

except you truly can’t. there’s an underlying principle in both that can’t be reconciled so there’s no way to cherry-pick different ideas for different subjects.

the underlying conflicting principle is “equality of outcome” versus “equality of opportunity”. both believe in equality but it means different things to them. think about it, maybe watch Milton Friedmans recording on the topic

[–]nakedamerasian 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Your POV is so 20th century. The US is the exception where the majority of ppl still think (or are forced to think because of the system) that it's only dem or rep, left or right, lib or con, black or white.

And if you think that "right" , let alone Trump and his movement, stand for "equality of opportunity", then there's another harsh truth coming.

[–]val-amart0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

the US may think that, but i’m european and know better. you are just seeing things in my comment that you are accustomed to seeing, and perhaps want to refute - not what i wrote. i am comparing two political philosophies, not the US parties.

[–]nakedamerasian 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

If you're European you'd know that politics is much more fluid than what you suggested. People do indeed "cherry pick", sometimes their values and election choice actually contradict each other. So it isnt as rigid as you claim.

Left and Right aren't even political philosophies. Liberalism, Conservatism, Libertarianism, Socialism, Facism are. You are falsely reducing the terms "left" and "right" to “equality of outcome” versus “equality of opportunity”. Left doesn't equal Communism (just as "right" doesn't equal Facism) and if anything "left" policies have actually allowed children of the working class, immigrants and women to study and work at places they were barred from before. Left and Right also encompass much more than just socioeconomics, what about international politics, environmental issues etc.?

[–]val-amart-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would happily agree the terms “left” and “right” are bullshit, the specter should really be a quadrant at least. however if we agree to operate within these terms, then what logically follows is that the two are irreconcilable based on their first-principle ethical statements. cherrypicking in this context is practically equivalent to not believing in either of these ethical statements, thus effectively not belonging to either group by definition. “cherrypicking” is not cherrypicking at all in this context, and this is what i was trying to (clumsily) clarify - it is stemming from some other ethical position, not one based on the left-right dichotomy. what that position is, and how it relates to left-right spectrum, i don’t care - it’s up to the individual to decide what he believes in; but clearly “cherrypicking” is not a valid concept.

re your other points: you are largely bringing up the same things i post in this and other non-politics subs when politics cone up in attempt to make us citizens aware that the world of political philosophies is not limited to blue vs red dichotomy they have going on. i see no reason to repeat it and we are not in disagreement here - i was just focusing on refuting the concept of “cherrypicking”.

oh now that i am rereading your comment - you seem to think the “left” and “right” are indeed valid terms but they are “broad” and “fluid”? well if thats the case than you must be using some other definition than the generally accepted polsci one - these things are clear as a day; they are just not terribly useful in real world politics. people do indeed choose other options, because most people are not guided by these first ethical principles, at least not on the two major axes most of the time. so using these terms when discussing politics with layman, especially in such a confusing way as is often done by the media, is doing the population a giant disservice by further confusing things, instead of clarifying them.

[–]hormoan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't believe in either of those.

[–]Lightways43423 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

I used to be a raging SJW before finding the redpill. I’m now relatively conservative- the process happened almost organically. I’d say there is a correlation between red pill ideology and conservatism.

[–]MallowPallow16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Conservatism is closely intertwined with strong personality traits. If you watch any video of Jordan Peterson (Although not conservative) is constantly being attacked by the left with insults, screaming, and generally people causing a ruckus. While this is happening, Jordan is always cool, calm, and collected.

Let me tell you firsthand, i have a friend that is a huge trump supporter. We live in Canada, and he loves debating people about Trump. He says there are 3 genders; male, female, and mental illness.

This guy has girls barking up his tree all the time. Because he has this impression on all the right women. If you hit on a girl and you find out shes a radical feminist, or she shuts down something you say calling you sexist or bigoted, just say “enjoy the rest of your night” and walk the fuck away. These particular women need to learn that approaching them is difficult, and if they can appreciate it, ditch them immediately. Their not worth the hassle.

Also understand not all women are this way. Every girl i been with loves hearing my side of the story and what i have to say about politics. They love when they find out I’m not only passionate about something, but feel like its the right thing and it’s good. I was very fortunate to meet a girl that accepts others ideals and perspectives.

When i discovered trp, i was very intimidated. I saw posts saying “You are the sun and everyone else in your life are just planets rotating around you” scared me shitless. I hate the idea of dehumanizing others, but thats how you learn to take everything with a grain of salt, and become open to new ideas, such as conservatism.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Feminism is a giant shit test. Their “arguments”, which are really just statements about their ‘feelz’, are easily swept away by the evil “logic” of your Superior Masculine Brain.

Feminist Brain: ”I HATE YOU!!”

Feminist Pussy: ”Yeshhhh! Finally! Someone who UNDERSTANDS meeeeee!!! Sploosh!!!”

Feminists can make good plates, and it’s fun to watch them try to hamster away their inner conflict about how wet they get for you, but I wouldn’t bother LTRing one unless she is willing to submit, completely.

[–]DamiensLust0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

too bad jordan peterson still has the biggest blue pill of them all, christianity, embedded so far into his thinking that he can't ever conceive that he might have been sold a fiction at a young age that he's based his entire "philosophy" on

[–]BitingInsects3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

To each his own but extremism in any belief usually stems from toxicity.

[–]Granite_Pill21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy

Take the Austrian pill. Austrian economics is what led me here to begin with.

[–]IdentifyAsHelicopter10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hans Herman "Hippity hoppety women are property" Hoppe

[–]my_mix_still_sucks0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What do you mean with Austrian economics? Because we have to pay so many taxes here in Austria or what?

[–]MRPFuckMe12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Austrian school of economics. The most famous are probably von Mises and Hayek.

[–]RomeNeverFell18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not at all, I stand by the scientific method and economics as an empirical academic discipline. All of which are de facto refuted by the conservatives as of the past decade.

However, it has given me a stronger position of antagonism towards the modern feminist movement: which is not pro equality of sexes but just more rights for women.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

While it’s possible for a liberal man to be Red Pill it’s not very likely. TRP preaches self-improvement and not just taking what you’re given and doing what you’re told. That lines up more with conservative thought.

[–]Trainmasta7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

And that gentlemen, is the true reason TRP got quarantined. It had nothing to do with the stated reasons and everything to do with stunting the spread of conservative ideals ie conservative voters.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yep. I started out center-left juggling leftist ideology with the pill but I couldn't exist in such a state of double-think for long. Being annoyed at taxes/waste is just the beginning. You even start to understand that old rules most people scoff at were put in place for a reason IE, no one wants to be told not to fool around before marriage, but consider the havoc the AIDS crisis and single motherhood have inflicted upon the world.

SJW ideology is a front for Marxism. Marxist thinkers were surprised that Communism wasn't spreading and concluded they'd have to destroy culture, family structures, and religion to pave the way for it. The whole idea is to attack any established norm or sacred cow, keep shifting the rules, and keep everyone as demoralized as possible. This is why you see leftist figures like Joss Whedon who were considered "woke" a few years ago being attacked for being bigots today. And why they're creating no-win situations like cultural appropriation. Stick to your own culture? Racist. Become interested in other cultures? Still racist.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

SJW ideology has nothing to do with Marxism because Marxism opposes homosexuality and doesn't belive in the revolutionary potential of the lumpen proletat (blacks migrant workers). SJWs are also hyper consumerist and bankrolled by large corporation.

How can someone call themselves Marxist and oppose the interests of the proletariat (steel workers etc)?

The SJW phenomenon Is a product of Neoliberalism destroying structure so it can generate more profit. The goal is an authoritarian democracy like Singapore.

Your repeating Jordan cuckerson neocon talking points the issue is far worse and more complicated.

[–]buddhismo_communismo5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

"SJW ideology has nothing to do with Marxism because Marxism opposes homosexuality and doesn't belive in the revolutionary potential of the lumpen proletat (blacks migrant workers)."

  • Orthodox Marxism is amoral. The Red Pill is amoral. Neither oppose homosexuality.

  • The lumpenproletariat are not blacks or migrant workers, Marx never said that. The lumpenproletariat is the part of the proletariat that is devoid of class consciousness and unable to organise correctly as a class, as a result they are usually the most heterogeneous class. They are usually counter revolutionary and used as strike/riot breakers by the bourgeoisie. They are usually dependable on the bourgeoisie/aristocracy for survival and commit all sort of crimes for them. The notable examples are the society of December 10 of Louis Napoleon Bonaparte described by Marx in 18th brumaire, the black shirts of Mussolini or the SA of the Nazis. Marx highlights them as a counter-revolutionary class.

  • The Proletariat are not steel workers. The Proletariat and the Bourgeoisie are floating categories that manifest as expressions of the interests of Labor vs the interests of Capital. How one self-identifies during heightened periods of class struggle defines what category they are allied. For instance, the police and the public school teacher both receive wages from the State but the former is more likely than the latter to ally with the Bourgeoise during an insurrection historically.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's nothing more bourgeois than LGBTQ with their commodity fetishism and fetishist lifestyle in general. What happened to homosexuals in Communist countries wasn't an accident it was a biproduct of ideology.

Blacks are devoid of class conciousness and unable to organize. They're being used as an example for our non politically literate audience

The SJW left doesn't represent working class interests no matter how u slice it.

[–]buddhismo_communismo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's nothing more bourgeois than the social reproduction of your existence. Everyone not bourgeoisie is a bourgeois subject, but that doesn't mean Marxists are opposed to them just cuz they're a bourgeois subject man. I'm not talkin bout communist countries cuz there's never been one.

Black ppl are a transient minority group. It's a really bad example cuz dialectics deals with history in motion.

I agree SJW seek to preserve bourgeois freedoms and not further proletarian freedoms. Not in the Interests of the working class at all.

[–]AvergeReader5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

No I’m still liberal

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

No, I'm not a fucking retard. Red pill works because of biology.

[–]stylesm112 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's a lot of conservative views here, it makes sense for a random to latch onto some

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Biological sciences really fuck with politics the most, hence eugenics

[–]winsmallbutlostbig2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

As an Asian man, TRP has made me realize the EQ superiority of white men. I agree that there are many Asian men with high EQ who will know how to maneuver himself through social interactions and score dates. But the overwhelming majority of Asian men simply are not born with the EQ of a well rounded social chameleon necessary to be seen as a charismatic leader. Instead, Asians value submissiveness to elders or people with higher social ranking (regardless whether that person deserves their rank or not), which makes them prioritize these traits through generations of reproduction. This might work only in Asia where people are used to be overworked and spend their entire lives in factories and labs, but these same traits are shunned in Western civilization. It is to no surprise that Asian women are fleeing to Western men to escape the life of a soulless drone, which contributes to Asian men's lack of dating success because our looks are the exact reminder of the life they are trying to escape.

I often think of how lucky I am to be in a relationship with a classically attractive Chinese woman, who told me straight up that the only reason she's with me is that I can relate to her culturally, without being socially obtuse due to being raised in North America. But I also come with my baggage of problems which I'll explain in a different post. Overall, I know I'll be called a "chan" or a "sellout", but I firmly believe that most Asian men lack the social finesse required to score dates and Asian women are probably better off with men of Western origins.

[–]giantsrocker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Same for indian folks as well. All the points you raised. US forces you to be a well rounded human being or get the fuck out of the competition.

[–]DamiensLust1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are plenty of asian alphas. Just because your social circle & family are bitches and there may be some blue pill elements embedded in your culture doesn't make it genetic.

[–]RPAlternate422 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Red Pill requires a realistic view of the world and yourself.

Blue Pill requires and idealistic view of the world and yourself.

Blue pill idealism tends to require a fair amount of solipsism to make it work.

That's why blue pill guys think that if they try to he just a little nicer, she'll go on a date with them. Even though being nice hasn't worked for 1 year now. Solipsism makes you convinced that your way is correct and she is at fault.

When she never comes around he gets angry. From his persepctive, his idealism should have worked... It's the ideal way.

Except that idealism requires you to.disregard reality... And the reality is that she never liked him... But he won't accept that because she said they are friends.

A realist says, being nice doesn't work, I'm moving on and stopping it.

[–]TUKINDZ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anytime you choose to look at the world as it is right now, as opposed to how you think it should be you are bound to become more conservative.

Liberalism is essentially an aspirational view of the world and they're always trying to reengineer the world and society toward the utopia they envision. It's noble in many ways and we need people doing that. It's also quite attractive, especially to the young who think everything old is archaic and based on harmful ideas.

Once you switch to actually looking at life through pure logic and dealing with it as it stands today with all its warts and scars, you lose that idealistic part of yourself. Maybe not all, it'd be impossible to be completely un-idealistic unless you were depressed, but nowhere near when you were are your more liberal you.

It plays out the same anytime a new situation that divides the left & the right arises.

Look at the caravan. Left is idealistic. They believe that a better world is one where all people should be able to accept each other, without borders where we live in harmony as human beings. They want to help those people by letting them in. Conservatives don't want them in because they look at the world as it is. Those people could be criminals, terrorists, because the world is full of criminals & terrorists who might come destroy us all. Plus letting them in only brings more caravans from all over the place, which would mean more criminals & terrorists.

That's how it is. TRP will make you less idealistic and by proxy, more conservative.

[–]memer9351156 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was a normie Trump Conservative beforehand, and reading TRP has come alongside me becoming aligned with the Alt Right.

[–]DamiensLust2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

people like you are why TRP is quarantined right now

[–]memer9351150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know, I have the wrong political opinions for Reddit’s liking, unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yikes lets balance that out

[–]memer935115-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What do you mean?

[–]MongoBeti1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just like Chris Rock routine : « everybody wants you to fit in a box. you’re either liberal or conservative. You can be both... crime? I’m conservative. Prostitution? I’m liberal ». That’s basically how I am... I’m a hardcore conservative for certains issues (death penalty for extreme cases like serial killers and terrorist) and liberal when it comes to gay marriage and other social stuff.. BUT nowadays I’m more of a ‘black pill’ / declinist : not giving a fvck about the social debates and issues and focusing on what benefits me the most in those situations. That may be selfish, amoral to some, but i don’t care. I don’t trust any of the politicians whatever side they are. What matters to me the most is my personal interest and as much freedom as possible.

[–]GodOfDinosaurs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m an anarchist (socialist) and TRP has probably made me more radically left-wing. I read pretty widely and observing the way all politics here is filtered through some gender-wars echo chamber has made me realize how susceptible spaces like this are to the dunning-Kruger effect.

However, when it comes to personal improvement and fucking maximum bitches, there’s nowhere better.

[–]ghjklzxcv1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I became a libertarian, i found redpill, it pushed me more to anarchism

[–]1Quaternionz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% it is has.

Bleeding heart liberal before TRP, now a centrist.

I’d say that in general I stopped wanting to coddle people, or see people coddled. After my BP break up I coddled some people in my life and it didn’t go well. Then a friend chose not to coddle me during a hard time. He knew it’d force me to figure out my own shit, and it did. I stopped coddling women in romantic situations, and that’s working out a whole lot better too.

Example:

Abortion is fine, but men should have the right to abdicate financial responsibility for the child. Just like in nature, you should be able to just pack up and leave the village if you think your whole situation is fucked. If the woman wants support she should earn it by being a good partner, so that her dude will stick around.

If the state is concerned for the welfare of children they should have policies that encourage people to have stable families, discourage the kinds of lifestyle behaviors that lead to single motherhood, and encourage abortions for women in difficult circumstances. They can set up an insurance fund to help women who make good life choices but whose partners die prematurely.

Beyond that, if you fuck up your life, and fuck up your kid’s life, then that’s on you and the kid. If you coddle women and throw government money at them (either directly or by forcing men to pay) then they’re going to behave badly and exacerbate the problem by pumping out more inadequately cared for infants. I feel bad for the kids who would fall through the cracks in this new system and fall victim to shitty mothers and dead beat dads. Nonetheless, I bet it would do a net good. Women would be scared shitless of getting pregnant, or would flock to abortion clinics when pregnant, or would pick more stable resource-rich betas as romantic partners. We’d have fewer unloved screaming little infants running around, and more stable families.

I would have said the complete opposite before TRP.

“Fuck those Chad dads, make them pay.”

“Poor single mommies, it must be so hard.”

Etc...

Now I see the other side of it. I was the beta guy offering the resources and relationship stability, but American women didn’t seem to value that, EVER. I’m a human being and I think I have a basic right to live in a social structure where getting my sexual needs met is possible, AT LEAST IN PRINCIPLE. Not that I deserve sex intrinsically, but there should be a reasonable path to getting laid if you put the effort in. The only way to do that in American society is to unabashedly do the Alpha fucks thing. But then single mommyhood starts to be a danger. Oops!

So, fuck you girls. You can’t set up a social structure where women go exclusively for hot short term breeding opportunities, and then penalize men financially for the consequences of participating in that kind of upside down and backward sexual market.

I still have a lot of sympathy for Democrats. I think they’re generally higher IQ, more rational, and more trustworthy. But I’ll be voting republican from now on just as a big middle finger to the fucked up radically fem-centric anti-family anti-male nanny state that Democrats want to set up for feminists.

I’ll vote Trump just because it’ll make the women in my life who rejected my beta resources cry. Settle down younger, stop breaking up with BP dudes to chase the unattainable chads, value the resources I offer WHEN YOU’RE 22, and then I’ll start voting democrat again.

Until then I’ll be pumping and dumping 20 year old hoes to get my basic human sexual needs met, keeping my resources to myself instead of giving them to used up 30 year old cock carousel rejects, and voting for Trump.

[–]itscollinnotcolin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I have noticed that as well.

[–]No1Buck1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's normal for people to become more conservative after they get smacked down by reality a few times.

[–]Trip-trader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nope I enjoy facts and truth too much to be a conservative.

[–]DuhHelluh 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy

No. I used to be a conservative until I discovered my religion was a complete sham, and I was forced to reevaluate how I saw the world. When you learn statements like "climate change isn't man made because God gave us these resources to use" are complete lies used to justify private interests, well it's difficult to remain affiliated with those ideas. Conservatives have gone from fiscal responsibility and preaching family values, to justifying the systematic separation of immigrant families. In a post-Trump world, they can no longer practice what they preach.

[–]Trip-trader5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed they are not conservatives, they don’t conserve a damn thing. They threw out fiscal responsibility. They cry about budget deficits when out of power, and when in power they spend more money than Democrats. Except not on helping Americans, but funding military or tax cuts to the rich. They stand against all good science on the environment. Most GOP voters don’t agree with proven science on evolution or climate change science and most believe in a magic man in the sky. They are a party of wilful idiots. I know some in real life and they are impervious to Facts. And most are gullible and believe in conspiracy theories.

[–]XCKCX 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

justifying the systematic separation of illegal immigrant families

You missed the operative word there. How incredibly dishonest of you.

[–]DuhHelluh 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Yep, there's that justification. I don't use this account to argue politics so I won't start, but there's no way to square being a follower of Jesus while simultaneously believing that families seeking asylum should be separated.

[–]XCKCX 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Great shit tier NPC argument you’re making there.

“There’s that justification” - Oh, you mean the fucking law?

[–]val-amart0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

there’s a difference between conservatism (aka classical liberal) political philosophy and Conservatives the Republican party is the US. i don’t think anyone who follows american politics would disagree with your assessment of the party

[–]Lambdal72 points3 points  (40 children) | Copy

Through TRP, I saw that a few selected conservative opinions are valid, but that the vast majority violate human rights and are rooted in emotion, not in facts and that they don’t solve anything.

Let’s look at how Conservatives think

  1. Give money to the rich, because then I also get rich because of trickle down economics. (Trickle down economics don’t work...)
  2. Medicare makes everyone lazy and is a net negative even though it’s the complete opposite in any country that offers universal Health care. Instead, let’s let everyone suffer and get fincancially destroyed if any family member gets sick. This is great for the economy.
  3. Everyone should be able to buy Assault Rifles, even the mentally ill and criminals. Background checks aren’t needed. (That’s the case in many states)
  4. Climate change isn’t real even though I don’t have any facts.

It’s true that Conservatives hold feminazis in check, but there is very little upside from Conservative views.

If you look back 100 years, which Conservative policies were strongly beneficial for the U.S.?

[–]McDrMuffinMan3 points4 points  (39 children) | Copy

That's a giant misread though. It's like a blue pill perspective level of misread.

Edit: I owe you an elaboration.

1) it has nothing to do with giving Money to the rich. There are no government programs designed to give money to rich people (with the possible exclusion of lobbying for jobs). Keeping your own money isn't giving money to the rich. Just like letting you go to the gym and work for gains isn't taking muscles from ugly people and giving them to you.

2) If you believe in the redpill then likely you are aware of sexual markets and how they work. Ignoring SMV doesn't make the product less expensive or less valuable, it just puts you at a competitive disadvantage. Same with every other market. When you increase demand by way of artificially lowering and controlling prices, you are in effect robbing Peter to pay Paul. There is no "free Healthcare". There's a ton more to write about this but I think if you're arguing in good faith you can try and find many of the downsides of socialized Healthcare not including entitlement and welfare psychosis but how research is damaged and market signals are suppressed. The TLDR is Healthcare sucks in the US because of regulatory burden, not in spite of it.

3) that's not even a platform, that's a straight liberal talking point.

4)most conservatives support alternative energy, we like cheap energy. We are just befuddled why the only replacement to coal (nuclear) is such a great evil in the liberal mind. It seems like what you say and do are two different things. (have you really taken the redpill, or are you just saying you did, read the sidebar).

[–]Lambdal7-1 points0 points  (36 children) | Copy

1) it has nothing to do with giving Money to the rich. There are no government programs designed to give money to rich people (with the possible exclusion of lobbying for jobs). Keeping your own money isn't giving money to the rich. Just like letting you go to the gym and work for gains isn't taking muscles from ugly people and giving them to you.

Um, tax breaks to the rich who received 4.6% in tax breaks 3.4% for low income families while 65% of tax break savings went to the top 20%? https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17560704/tax-cuts-rich-san-francisco-fed

2) If you believe in the redpill then likely you are aware of sexual markets and how they work. Ignoring SMV doesn't make the product less expensive or less valuable, it just puts you at a competitive disadvantage. Same with every other market. When you increase demand by way of artificially lowering and controlling prices, you are in effect robbing Peter to pay Paul. There is no "free Healthcare". There's a ton more to write about this but I think if you're arguing in good faith you can try and find many of the downsides of socialized Healthcare not including entitlement and welfare psychosis but how research is damaged and market signals are suppressed. The TLDR is Healthcare sucks in the US because of regulatory burden, not in spite of it.

So, change the regulations like all countries have done it and give everyone health care?

3) that's not even a platform, that's a straight liberal talking point.

How so, gun rights are a central point of Conservative policies and they actively prevent efforts for background checks.

4)most conservatives support alternative energy, we like cheap energy. We are just befuddled why the only replacement to coal (nuclear) is such a great evil in the liberal mind. It seems like what you say and do are two different things. (have you really taken the redpill, or are you just saying you did, read the sidebar).

I’m all for nuclear, but that’s a very different view point to saying that climate change is not real like 90% of all Republicans in the Senate!

http://tmcquaid.com/GlobalWarmingDeniers.html

[–]McDrMuffinMan0 points1 point  (35 children) | Copy

Um tax breaks to the rich?

Predictable, read again:

Keeping your own money isn't giving money to the rich. Just like letting you go to the gym and work for gains isn't taking muscles from ugly people and giving them to you.

So, change the regulations like all countries have done it and give everyone health care?

You can't just give something to someone, nothing is free, everything costs something. There's a reason all those countries with government sponsored healthcare still have private market healthcare.

The regulations that make Healthcare more expensive isn't the government not paying for it, it's the government controlling what you can and can't do. Here's a great essay on it.

How the government solved the Healthcare crisis

How so, gun rights are a central point of Conservative policies and they actively prevent efforts for background checks.

Uh, no they don't. Can you show me where conservatives oppose that ideologically? Or even en masse in practice?

I’m all for nuclear, but that’s a very different view point to saying that climate change is not real like 90% of all Republicans in the Senate! http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/09/3609903/infographic-anti-science-caucus-114th-congress/

Wow, you just unironically linked think progress, at the end of the day you judge people by their actions. We remember how solyndra worked out. Running on pro nuclear and fracking (both positions moving towards greener and cleaner forms of energy) is the Republican actions and platform and continues to be, because just like the entirety of economics, we understand that the more available something can be made, it will be pursued more efficiently (read clean and green) with lower costs (meaning it's available to more people for cheaper).

Edit: you edited your comment after reading mine, I'll respond to the link you posted in point 1 specifically because point 4 still stands.

The top Quintile pays 95% of all taxes. The bottom 2 Quintiles get more in benefits from the government than they pay in. you cannot give tax breaks to people who Litterally don't pay taxes. And lastly I'll repeat it again. : IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. IT'S THEIR MONEY. GIVING SOMEBODY A TAX BREAK ISN'T GIVING THEM MONEY. IT'S STEALING LESS OF THEIR MONEY FROM THEM. IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. IT'S THEIRS.

You are not entitled to other people's money just like you aren't entitled to pussy. You work for it, and you working for it isn't taking it away from someone else.

Edit2: stop editing you comment, just make a new reply.

[–]Lambdal7-2 points-1 points  (34 children) | Copy

  1. Regardless of how much the rich in total paid taxes, they still got 4.8% in tax breaks as opposed to low income families with 3.4%. Why not the other way around and strengthen the middle class? Because of trickle down economics which don't work?
  2. Here is how they oppose background checks suggested by trump https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/01/trump-nra-gun-control-response-members-latest, after which Trump flip flopped https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/3/12/17109798/trump-gun-control-proposal-betsy-devos-parkland-nra. Here one more https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-louisiana/in-louisiana-a-conservative-backlash-against-gun-control-idUSBRE9251M720130306 .
  3. So why are so many Americans still not insured if the health care crisis is solved?
  4. There are many other sources that the vast majority of Republicans outright deny climate change https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/nzevjd/now-just-001-percent-of-climate-scientists-reject-global-warming

[–]McDrMuffinMan1 point2 points  (33 children) | Copy

Firstly, STOP EDITING YOUR COMMENTS TO TRY TO WIN, it doesn't make your point more coherent, it damages the flow of the conversation.

Secondly The Bottom 4 quintiles pay 5% of the tax burden. You cannot give a tax break to people who don't pay taxes. I don't understand how this is hard to grasp. here's a video if this helps you. and here's one on "Trickle Down Economics" since you keep using that word and It doesn't sound like you know what that is or means.

Thirdly no concrete policy was proposed, those are as of now, platitudes. What policy should republicans enact, how is it different from existing policy, what do you hope it will change? How does it affect the balance of rights? propose some policy and we will discuss it. Conservatives (and by and large republicans) oppose basic unconstitutional stuff like: "Take the guns now, due process later" ~ Trump. They (meaning republicans) opposed the policypackage because its a reaction not meant to fix anything. You don't lose your rights just because some lunatic did something bad with his. If you believe in your idea, voice them here and lets debate, but don't just cower behind meaningless platitudes and sling dirt.

Lastly, are you judging people on their actions or rhetoric, because your complaints seem to be republicans aren't virtue signalling enough. You got us, we don't. But you can judge us on the record, the only people supporting nuclear and natural gas and fracking live on the right. Alex Epstein has a good book on this. The moral case for fossil fuels.

[–]Original_Dankster1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That leftist is on the wrong sub. No one can be TRP aware and a leftist without serious cognitive dissonance.

Blue Pill economics: Waaah. The rich get all the money. I hate the rich. I deserve the same income even if I contribute relatively little value for my labour. The world should conform to my values, I shouldn't have to conform to the laws of economics.

Blue Pill sexual dymanics: Waaah. The Chads get all the pussy. I hate the Chads. I deserve the pussy even if I don't provide value to a woman's life despite my total lack of Looks / Money / Status. Women should find me attractive just as I am, I shouldn't have to conform to objective long-standing standards of attraction.

The Red Pill is fundamentally right wing. The spoils go to those who earn them and you deserve nothing for just existing.

[–]McDrMuffinMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Red Pill is fundamentally right wing. The spoils go to those who earn them and you deserve nothing for just existing.

DING DING DING.

You can be politically neutral and Redpill, you fundamentally cannot be progressive and redpill. You either believe in hard work and meritocracy or entitlement. Redpill is work.

[–]Lambdal70 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy

The Bottom 4 quintiles pay 5% of the tax burden

Where did you get that from. You’re off by the factor of 6. https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2015-update/

Thirdly no concrete policy was proposed, those are as of now, platitudes. What policy should republicans enact, how is it different from existing policy, what do you hope it will change? How does it affect the balance of rights? propose some policy and we will discuss it.

Firstly, I never said there was policy, I said they actively prevent efforts of making a policy.

Secondly, thorough background checks on military level weapons so that no nutcases can get them, like they do nearly once a day in the U.S. and go on a shooting spree. is the simple policy that the Democrats has been asking for years, no taking guns, only that. Republicans just don’t understand this.

Regarding universal health care, why are so many american still uninsured and become bankrupt when the health care crisis is solved?

Regarding climate denial, you’re now saying that people support nuclear on the right, which doesn’t have to do anything with them denying climate change, which I’m still waiting for an answer from you. How can you excuse this?

[–]McDrMuffinMan0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy

I'm sick of your edit battles, so this is the comment i'm responding to, anything not in here will be ignored:

https://imgur.com/a/nFmTeua

Where did you get that from. You’re off by the factor of 6. https://taxfoundation.org/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-2015-update/

I linked it earlier in the Washington Examiner Piece. :https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits

But at this point, you aren't reading links or interacting with what's being posted, so no idea why I'm bothering.

Firstly, I never said there was policy, I said they actively prevent efforts of making a policy.

Now what you said earlier, lets flash back together

Everyone should be able to buy Assault Rifles, even the mentally ill and criminals. Background checks aren’t needed. (That’s the case in many states)

And secondly you linked to an article where Republicans are pushing back on an anti-constitutional proposal. It does seem ironic how you've labeled us as the party of emotion and yet your arguments reduce to emotional fallacies and feelings.

Secondly, thorough background checks on military level weapons so that no nutcases can get them is the simple policy that the left has been asking for years.

Alright, what's a military level weapon Would a Ruger Mini-14 be a military weapon? What about an M1 Garand? Tell me more about this background check and how the existing background check that is already federally mandated is insufficient?

Smells like talking points again....

Regarding universal health care, why are so many american still uninsured and become bankrupt when health care is solved?

If you are't going to read what I posted why does it matter? Read the link, or better yet, come watch it since that seems to work better. Here's the same essay in video format. How The Government Solved The Healthcare Crisis.

Regarding climate denial, you’re now saying that people support nuclear on the right, which doesn’t have to do anything with them denying climate change, which I’m still waiting for an answer from you.

Because you aren't reading my answers. Let me copy and paste my answer again:

are you judging people on their actions or rhetoric, because your complaints seem to be republicans aren't virtue signalling enough. You got us, we don't. But you can judge us on the record, the only people supporting nuclear and natural gas and fracking live on the right. Alex Epstein has a good book on this. The moral case for fossil fuels.

Republicans have done more to support moving toward efficient energy policy in supporting viable alternative and clean energy then democrats have. You cannot get rid of coal until youre ready to replace it with something. The sun doesn't shine 24/7, and the wind doesn't blow all the time. There is so far no method yet devised to store any excess energy generated and so it goes to waste. Until you magically make a good battery that has great energy density with little degradation then Solar and Wind need something like Coal Natural Gas or Nuclear as the backbone. As it stands it's only the right pushing to change that and only the left virtue signaling.

If you aren't going to read what people are posting, why bother discussing?

Edit:I did forget to discuss the link you posted, even by your own link from 2015 the top Quarter paid 87% of all taxes. So very similar numbers. Don't know what you're on about.

[–]Lambdal70 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy

Let’s maybe try to keep it at taxes and climate change denial, otherwise it gets to convoluted.

I did forget to discuss the link you posted, even by your own link from 2015 the top Quarter paid 87% of all taxes. So very similar numbers. Don't know what you're on about

Yes that’s correct and that was what my initial argument was about. The rich were heavily favored in the tax cut, isn’t it better to strengthen the middle class considering the always widening wealth gap in America, which is very bad for the economy?

But you can judge us on the record, the only people supporting nuclear and natural gas and fracking live on the right

Nuclear is good, because it’s carbon neutral but natural gas and fracking aren’t at all.

Then, Democrats don’t want to obviously switch to regeneratives immediately. They will stay with fossils as long as they can’t cover energy demands, duh.

However, that all doesn’t have to anything with the fact that Conservatives don’t help improving regenerative energies. They actively harm their development and try to obstruct them with false claims and false propaganda, which leads to strong opposition in the senate, less funding for research etc. etc. This is very harmful.

[–]McDrMuffinMan0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy

Here's a screencap of the comment I'm responding to: https://imgur.com/jljP15i

Yes that’s correct and that was what my initial argument was about. The rich were heavily favored in the tax cut, isn’t it better to strengthen the middle class considering the always widening wealth gap in America, which is very bad for the economy?

I've repeated the same point like 30 times at this point, how about I ask you instead. Please tell me how to cut taxes for people who don't pay taxes. It also doesn't help your argument that: The US middle class is disappearing...into the upper Middle Class. or The Upper Middle Class is Larger and Richer Than Ever

or for people who are illiterate, here's a pretty picture: http://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/062116wsj.jpg

Yes, the US middle class is shrinking, but it’s because Americans are moving up. And no, Americans are not struggling to afford a home.

Basically we are cutting taxes for the middle class and the freedom of economic opportunity is making the middle class richer than ever before.

considering the always widening wealth gap in America, which is very bad for the economy?

inequaity doesn't matter. Standards of living do. Would you rather have their be inequality and everyone is better off or everyone be equal...because we've tried both. The former USSR is where everyone was equal.

Nuclear is good, because it’s carbon neutral but natural gas and fracking aren’t at all.

Right, except Natural gas is a step in the right direction and the infrastructure is there. As of now, it's way more clean and green than coal and democrats oppose that move as well.

However, that all doesn’t have to anything with the fact that Conservatives don’t help improving regenerative energies. They actively harm their development and try to obstruct them with false claims and false propaganda, which leads to strong opposition in the senate, less funding for research etc. etc. This is very harmful.

Dude, i've mentioned Solyndra like 5 fucking times at this point. Using the government to pick winners and losers doesn't make things work better or more functional. There's a reason that your roads are built by private companies, and there's a reason why your military hardware isn't built by the government etc etc. The government sucks at everything it does. The private market does a really good job of developing technology because it literally leads to economic rewards. Here's a basic video on comparing two railroads in the Midwest showing the difference between government and private. TLDW, we don't need to subsidize it, and subsidizing it like with Solyndra leads to an epic fail and massive corruption.:

Why Private Investment Works & Govt. Investment Doesn't

Government investment doesn't work.

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I dont think you understand the goals of your globalist masters. The movement to eliminate "income inequality" is a global movement, it just appears to be a localized movement at this time. Unless you're ready to move out of your apartment and into a shanty made out of corrugated aluminum and plywood like they live in Africa, I don't think you're going to get the result you're aiming for in siding with these shitbags.

[–]Lambdal7-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you have strong arguments to support your claim?

[–]McDrMuffinMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

See the edit I Litterally just added

[–]mental_models0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No.

Not at all. I don't think I've ever considered partisan politics when reading this sub.

[–]muddynips0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not really. I learned early on to take what works and leave the rest. Trp is useful for talking about women and individualism, less so for politics.

I suspect that the more emotionally rooted your political views are, the more trp might change your views. I’m still just as liberal, just not the sort of liberal to engage in identity politics or oppression olympics.

[–]VojvodaSrpski0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nope, I was always extremely conservative.

[–]HeadingRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see as much value in the label as I used to- libertarians vote GOP and are down with legal drugs, gay marriage, keeping religion out of government which all seem to run against what is considered conservative these days. And you see a couple of consistent DEM voting blocks running the other way. I just don't see the value in the label like I did when I was younger.

Here is where I think we are going - you'll have one bloc from big cities and surrounding suburbs. That's where much of the economic opportunities are. You'll have another block of small town people.

We have states that are small town states- ND gets two senators just like NY and CA - so small town state people get an advantage there (number of people per senator).

I'd vote for about anyone who ran the government using Excel - most seem to be PowerPoint warriors. The SJW's drive me crazy and the other side's religious nutbars do the same. WTF do I have to choose between art school dropouts switching over to gender studies or another telling me dinosaurs are satan's lies to turn you away from jesus?

I want to start the Excel party. We will govern using arithmetic. We will save for a rainy day. We will do our best to give everyone a fair shot at life - but we will also understand that some people cannot be helped.

The closest I've seen to this idea can be found in Steve Balmer's usafacts website. It's all about the data- money, people, where and how much. It's amazing how voters focus on areas that have little to no economic effect.

[–]DamiensLust0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Does everyone in this thread realise there's an entire spectrum between conservatives and SJW hardcore feminist ultra-progressive college kids?? The image you have of these people is a tiny minority, but a narrative has been crafted to equate the entire left with them by pushing "Ben shapiro MURDERS and MOLESTS SJWS with FACTS and LOGIC" type videos prominently featuring crazy far-left idiot students. It's not like the only choices are right wing or communist trans activist, "the left" encompasses a lot more than that.

[–]cojohnso0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is that “feminism” is meant to mean “equality.”

Many women, sadly, take this way too far & turn feminism into something it’s not- misandry

Hating men is not feminism, misandry is.

[–]MarcellusCrow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have. The way I see it is it contributed to an overall process that made me more conservative - maturing. I was moderately liberal until maybe 2016, now I'd consider myself centrist; I don't judge a situation as requiring a conservative or liberal view until I've gotten the basic facts. I think the idea of joining a side that mostly takes either a conservative or liberal view on things because 'that's their side' is seriously flawed.

[–]BurnYourFlag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No conservatism and liberalism are garbage at least in my country. Republicans and democrats are the same people and are only there to give people the illusion of choice. The government only exist to protect the property rights of the rich and stifle competition to protect those that contribute to their campaigns.

[–]BurnYourFlag0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Liberals: Poor black blames the white man. Poor white blames the black man. Women blame the men, men blame the women. Rich liberal laughs. Oh and to conservatives your all shit too. Conservatives blame the welfare system for taking all their cash, most the cash goes to dropping bombs on poor 3rd world farmers. So that the defense contractor can make billions. Technological advances are stifled by bureaucratic nonsense that you have to have a law degree to understand. Conservative social stances are pure garbage and try to limit ffeedom to enforce religious dogma.

[–]look_good0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

trp made me go from just disagreeing w liberals to becoming disgusted by them. libs are emotional bitches. i learned you can’t use logic with crazies

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Conservatives are controlled opposition don't get cucked by that shit. The matrix is composed of a left wing and a right. Your not Red Pill untill you transcend that nonsense.

https://www.socialmatter.net/2016/03/07/the-pathology-of-the-conservative-mind/

[–]TheBadGoy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's sad that most of TRP hasn't learned this already

[–]Sove1310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Liked your posts in the past, and still good content

[–]brethrenelementary-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

For me the answer is Fuck Yes. I believe conservatives stand for masculine values (gun rights, protecting your country from foreign 3rd world invaders, not kowtowing to bullshit special rights for trans/gay or any minority group, and individualism over collectivism). Conservatives also support strong father figures in the household while liberals see nothing wrong with fathers missing from families.

Liberals represent feminine values such as welcoming migrant hordes, feminism without any limits on it, unwarranted sympathy for minority groups who are struggling in America, taking away your gun rights, and share the wealth $15 min wage type of thinking. Even one of the main symbols of the left is the pink pussy hats from the Women's March.

Liberal men are much more feminine than conservative men. It's conservative men who are trying to protect traditional masculinity in America.

[–]VojvodaSrpski-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely agree with you. I don't really understand how someone can be both RP and liberal or leftist. But to each their own I guess.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Both sides are insane. One side is a bunch of Jesus freaks who don't believe pollution is real. The other side thinks women are the most important but that there's no such thing as gender.

The whole thing is sickening. I want off this planet. I just need a really nice ship.

[–]BlueBlus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I become more liberal

[–]rogueman9990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely. I think I would have gone the same route anyways, but it made it easier. There is that famous quote: if at 20 you're not a socialist it means you have no heart, but if at 30 you still are it means you have no head. Very true.

The recent explanation I heard about why the left keeps screaming the same platitudes over and over is that their target is the youth: and the younger the better. Once they get them on board (and teenagers are very susceptible to this kind of pleas) they have the numbers, and it's an uphill battle for reason to de-program them over the next 10 or 20 years.

Well, in US at least it doesn't help that Republicans decided to became a caricature of a party, allied with Evangelicals and represented by Sarah Palin. And for reasons I don't understand yet, every time libertarians try to organize into a party they end up crazy or being led by crazy. It's almost like a picture of right vs wrong. No wonder young people fall so hard for it.

[–]chomponthebit0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I’m a moderate. So far as taxes go, how do you think the roads and schools, etc, get built if we don’t pay taxes? What are you gonna drive your tax-free car down?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I'm all for giving a portion of my income to support infrastructure. But that rarely seems to be the case these days as entire cities are decaying or in constant repair anyways . I also simply don't want to pay high taxes if the majority of the money ends up in the military or in the latest retarded education program that does literally nothing for children.

[–]nakedamerasian 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I see the issue but not paying any or less taxes doesn't solve the issue if you ask me. And being conservative has little to do with the problem as well. Look at the decades of whenever so called Conservatives where in power whether in the US or elsewhere and you see observe the same issues of waste of taxes, corruption etc.

I don't see how extreme privatization would be a better approach that working towards more accountability and transparency which I see at the root of all this.

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My daughter is in 4th grade and she's finally being taught her times tables this year in Commiefornia. Before No Moron Left Behind, multiplication was taught in 2nd grade. Why should i pay the indoctrination centers more? It just results in more indoctrination, as actual education falls to the wayside with social justice themes pervading and monopolizing class time by positioning all subjects "in social context" without regard for actual pedagogy.

Oregon charges half as much in vehicle registration for 2 years as Commiefornia does for 1, and has a fraction of the people Commiefornia has paying into the registration pool (the primary source of road-repair funding) and they have pristine roads that traverse much more difficult terrain than Commiefornia does. Commiefornia says we cant afford to keep our roads in good repair and constantly needs to fleece the public under a wide swath of taxes to continue NOT keeping the roads in repair. The stories from the left are just that, stories.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes.

[–]backdoorinvestor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes

[–]coriollanvs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was a fascist. Not anymore. Fuck collectivism.

[–]NiceTryDisaster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No. Always was a centrist/apolitical before. Still the same now

[–]OfficerWade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly I was raised conservative and red pill since I could remember. It wasn’t until I became an adult that I realized I was making a choice to begin with much less any facts about the political landscape as a whole. If there are any but we don’t have to go there. My blue pill fantasy’s weren’t crushed until I realized my dick was the center of the universe to women and I stopped basking in every workmen’s attention.

We weren’t even fanatics in my house. I listened to Glenn beck radio and Found out you don’t go around telling people hey I’m a conservative. But it would be good to be prepared to argue for any belief you have in case you’re called to back it up. Most people I knew around me growing up didn’t tell you who they voted for or would lash out against you for taking a side.

Everyone has an opinion. You don’t have to be ashamed of it. The red pill is all about bringing the mind back together. I don’t know if makes you more conservative it’s just the mind is so powerful you tend to attract like minds,. In the movie Solaris(2002) we get a scene where the character gets played a movie and he says we don’t want new worlds- we want mirrors!

[–]McDrMuffinMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reality tends to do that to you

[–]IRunYourRiver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say that I'm more conservative, but I'm more willing to listen and think for myself. Sometimes this puts me crossways with my liberal friends and my former ideologies. But that's probably how it should be.

[–]liberty11270 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a libertarian...which most liberals tend to confuse with conservative...although a lot of libertarian values are conservative except for socisl issues and drugs.

[–]ultimatrev6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Was an extreme leftist, but now am moderately so.

I still do believe equality, be it for hetero/homo/trans/men/women/whites/minorities, should be a goal of society. However, the political climate of the left to paint all white men as privileged and rapists really irks me. Growing up with Autism and being constantly bullied, having no friends whatsoever, even now in my mid 30's, I would hardly consider myself privileged.

At the same time, I am equally irked by conservatives and the fact their religious views are a cancer to society.

[–]jekporkins770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was going to trump rallies before I found TRP

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

LOL. yeah you're a year away buddy. enjoy your liberalism while you still can.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

1000% more. Especially up there in Quebec where we're just constantly swimming in liberal/proto-socialist bong water. I wouldn't go as far as calling myself alt-right mostly because I think their attitude towards the Jews is that same feminism's towards rich men but I'm definitely a conservative now while I used to be very liberal just 5 years ago.

There is also the fact that that I've been getting older. As they say, If you're a conservative at 20 you have no heart and if you're a liberal at 40 you have no brain. Guess I don't really have a heart anymore.

[–]Jrobalmighty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just an open comment as someone who's asked himself this same question.

First off I don't buy into any theology, philosophy or set principles without a lot of built in checks and balances to prevent my bias from impacting my observations.

I think being older contributed to the parts of TRP that I accept. When I say parts I mostly mean the community. I don't hate women or feel the need to stick it to them literally and figuratively to hurt them.

I do accept that there are some hard truths about predictable human behavior that trp represents that go against spurious social norms that are nonsense.

The ideas presented in trp are not 'should' rules but methods for achieving a certain outcome.

As an example I think all people are fighting the primal urges of mating behaviors that have gotten humans to 2018.

I have to fight the urge to not beat the shit out of a lot of people. I don't just go around raging for many reasons because my prefrontal cortex is doing it's job.

Just bc people have an impulse to behave a certain way doesn't mean they're bound by their impulses.

So while TRP cuts through a lot of modern day social norm bs it also should be used as a tool and not a lifestyle.

If you're entire life is based around any one particular thing then you're failing as a human being.

I'm sure someone will want to argue these points but what I'm saying is be a balanced person and don't fall down rabbit holes that don't lead to personal growth.

Always challenge your own beliefs more than everyone else's and usually you can be sure whether you actually reasoned your way to a certain political principle or whether you were trafficked that way by a set of rigid beliefs that probably lack proper premises.

[–]Planner_Hammish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely. Taking responsibility for your lot in life is a typical conservative value, and by taking the pill you accept that you are responsible for your success or failure. Your choices determine your outcomes.

[–]Modbsutansalt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorta. I'm what Tucker Carlson coined "the red pill right". Politically libertarian, but culturally conservative.

Since getting involved in this community I've come to realize the value in old school ways of thinking, especially with regard to moderating women's hypergamy. The old ways worked, even if they were repressive of women's sexuality.

Back then our elders had to be because we didn't have the pill and abortion wasn't legal. Now that those things exist women are free to let their hypergamy control them and we've seen the results of nearly 50 years of unchecked hypergamy and women's dulasistic mating strategy.

Now comes the fallout, a society where guys don't contribute to society and we enjoy the decline. Is all of this shit good for the long term survival of western society? Hell no. In fact we can see the writing on the wall, more conservative and traditional cultures are going to replace us in the long-run. Our own liberal ideals have sealed our fate.

More to come, I need to get back to work...

[–]BurningOrangeHeaven0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you mean in a political sense then no. I dont agree with many of their policies. We really need a stronger third party imo, the other options right now are laughable.

[–]tearsofgaia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

More cynical more like

[–]momomotorboat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I resent the idea that being liberal automatically aligns you with feminism or sjw's. I'm a liberal who thinks there are 2 genders, new-wave feminism is toxic and thinks capitalism done right is a good thing. But being raised a Buddhist in America always gave me a different paradigm to begin with, so I'm used to being heckled.

[–]dtyler860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Entirely. I grew up in a house of all women, was literally raised almost to be a feminist male, yettt... despite my previously republican views (now centrist libertarian), voting for trump was a no brained based entirely off of one concept: Hillary’s feminist agenda.

[–]ultrasuperthrowaway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve always been Conservative, and if anything I think the Republican Party is becoming too liberal. Trump isn’t even conservative in my opinion.

[–]The_Lightskin_Wonder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It has and being black it has some conflicting feelings, but it has allowed me to see where the disconnect is in race problems. Without going too deep both parties are at fault

[–]Ayubdj70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

On economic issues I'm more left, but on social issues I'm more conservative.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

If anything it has made me more left-leaning.

[–]SolarTortality5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why?

[–]SpinPlates-3 points-2 points  (8 children) | Copy

Nope. Made me more cynical.

Alpha fucks beta bucks. Thankfully I'm in the 20% of men so I'll keep fucking the sloots and sit back and watch the system crumble.

Salty bottom percentage of men downvoting me. Gotta love it.

[–]TGL-Jesse3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

How honorable

[–]brethrenelementary2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

So stupid. Sure fuck all the bitches and do nothing while your country turns to shit. Man is meant for more than just fucking as much as possible.

[–]SpinPlates-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lmao. What the fuck am I supposed to do? It's got to hit rock bottom before society learns how dangerous radical feminism and the left wing all inclusive agenda is.

Also, I'd like to point out that nothing really fucking matters because no matter what we do the human race will eventually become extinct. We might get lucky enough to make it off the earth and terraform. Then what? Will we ever leave the milky way? We are so fucking insignificant in the grand scheme of things I have a hard time caring about anything other than having a good time during my 50 (able bodied) years in this life.

In just 5,000 years (a blink of time in earth's existence) no one will remember SJWs, Trump, Obama, the Kardashians or Hitler. We just don't fucking matter.

[–]brethrenelementary0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The question is: how soon will civilization turn to shit. If every guy had your mindset, we'd mostly be dead already and be resigned to watching our wives and sisters get raped by Muslims. It's pathetic when you realize that our ancestors fought for and built advanced cultures and civilizations, and then you lazy millennials did nothing as it crumbled. There are many things you can do even as an average citizen to turn back the tide from feminism and globalism. Vote, stand up to sjw faggots, and refuse to breed with feminists are just some things. I'm so tired of trp guys thinking that the end all of trp is just fucking as much as you can. You have to use the knowledge in other ways too.

Plus your attitude is so bad - stupid and douchey all at once. That's right, everyone who disagrees with you is a bitter incel and you're the only true alpha male here. Get the fuck over yourself, you ain't shit. You're not as special as you think you are.

[–]SpinPlates-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

So many internet tough guys talking big behind a screen. I bet if we had this conversation in person you would be much more tactful.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm 28. A commerical sailor. I work offshore. I bust my ass. Not a "lazy millennial". I have an extremely physical and dangerous job in all types of weather.

All I'm saying is, why should I save this gynocentric society when it had done nothing to help me. Like I already said, it has to get worse before it gets better. Let the feminists get raped by Muslims and we'll see who has the toxic masculinity.

I'm so tired of trp guys thinking the end all of trp is just fucking as much as you can.

That's literally what we are designed to do. All of the other things men have accomplished is just to get then laid.

Go ahead and stress yourself out over this bullshit society we have now. I'm checking out.

[–]brethrenelementary0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No I'd say this to your face. And ok, nice rage quit.

[–]PIGamer86-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

It made me more anarchist. No, not that socialist bullshit that edgy leftists keep trying to push.

[–]val-amart-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

any good anarchist subreddits you know of? the main one is a leftist silo with no way to hold a reasonable debate

[–]PIGamer86-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's tough. GoldandBlack is ok. After some altrighters kind of took over Anarcho_Capitalism, a bunch of us moved over.

[–]FulkOberoi-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yes, fuck yes. I also have generalised depression and anxiety and I cannot shut it off now. It’s also made me a little bit misogynistic. Although those are my issues I cannot blame TRP for it, that’ll be like killing the messenger.

[–]TopofToronto-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No I have always been somewhat conservative ( fiscal not social ) in my outlook. The thing that TRP has helped in is seeing through the radical Left's arguments -- the Ahh there is no logic there, it is just hamstering

Demanding that the debate be caged in the language of Marx and class struggle or "through a feminist lens" or "white privilege" means I have to join them in the hamster wheel and get no where.

The Good ally mean Orbiter -- Your problems or the problems of men or discrimination of White people or Poor Americans will never be addressed, you will be just used and disposed of as a good ally.

And attempts to guilt and shame you into following them or fall into line. or fear of not being popular and with the "in crowd" no longer has an effect on me as it once did.

[–]buddhismo_communismo-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's made me even more revolutionary socialist tbh. In my political tendency (Orthodox Marxism) we criticize moralist, bleeding heart liberals & edgy, irrational, postmodernist radfems even more than we do conservatives. Red Pill mirrors Marxism by having a logically consistent strategy for achieving our self-interests. It places the onus of responsibility on human agency ("from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution"...you lazy fucks will have a bad time in the DoTP). It is amoral but not immoral.



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