Has TRP made you more conservative?

freew33zy · 2018-10-29T03:39:17+00:00

I was pretty liberal in HS, but it was easy to be liberal when I was surrounded by conservatives. I then went to a liberal college and met real liberals and realized they're fucking nuts with all their social justice bullshit. I happened to encounter TRP around a similar time, but I think I found TRP more because I was becoming more conservative than the other way around.

CainPrice · 2018-10-29T03:30:05+00:00

I wouldn't say that The Red Pill has "made" me more conservative, but it has reaffirmed the conservative values I've developed as I aged.

I used to be a staunch liberal when I was younger. Then I got older and got a job and started working hard for my money and realized that I don't want a bunch of my hard work and a bunch of my money going to fund things that I don't use and that don't benefit me. And I realized that despite how hard I had worked to get where I was, most liberal people didn't think I (or anybody with a good job and money) worked that hard to make all of that money. They all just thought I was lucky (e.g., "privileged"), and therefore, I shouldn't benefit too strongly from all of that unfair luck that just happened to fall upon me.

The Red Pill encourages men to work. To better themselves. To grow as people and find their place in the world. Primarily for our own benefit.

Any ideology that tells people to work hard for their own benefit and quit bitching about the fact that other people appear to have it easier (e.g., are lucky or "privileged") is going to trend conservative.

Ricklogical · 2018-10-29T04:20:48+00:00

I think getting older has made me conservative, and not much more than I was. My whole family is mostly Dem and that's alright with me. My previous employer was deeply libertarian and I now live in a red state. I hardly see any Democratic news, but I do listen to NPR. It's crazy watching FOX then listening to NPR then coming online to see something different. I think the major issue is that both sides aren't getting the whole story and none of it can really be validated. They are just echo chambers on loops that affirm themselves.

Fucking cultist shit man.

DavidEagle68 · 2018-10-29T04:07:32+00:00

Not necessarily.

Being a liberal taught me how to be more staunch and supportive of equal rights. But on another note, it made me believe women today were drowning in oppression and sorrow.

I have zero associations with conservatives, and trump is businessman first before a politician. Obama was a neoliberal, and bush was a dunce on OJT.

Red pill awareness helped me value myself more in a feminist dominated society. Everyone wants to believe women, but no one wants to understand the danger they can cause.

HurricaneHugues · 2018-10-29T04:49:02+00:00

I was never left or right. I was always in the middle. Both camps have very good philosophies on different subjects.

Lightways434 · 2018-10-29T04:16:47+00:00

I used to be a raging SJW before finding the redpill. I’m now relatively conservative- the process happened almost organically. I’d say there is a correlation between red pill ideology and conservatism.

MallowPallow · 2018-10-29T03:48:37+00:00

Conservatism is closely intertwined with strong personality traits. If you watch any video of Jordan Peterson (Although not conservative) is constantly being attacked by the left with insults, screaming, and generally people causing a ruckus. While this is happening, Jordan is always cool, calm, and collected.

Let me tell you firsthand, i have a friend that is a huge trump supporter. We live in Canada, and he loves debating people about Trump. He says there are 3 genders; male, female, and mental illness.

This guy has girls barking up his tree all the time. Because he has this impression on all the right women. If you hit on a girl and you find out shes a radical feminist, or she shuts down something you say calling you sexist or bigoted, just say “enjoy the rest of your night” and walk the fuck away. These particular women need to learn that approaching them is difficult, and if they can appreciate it, ditch them immediately. Their not worth the hassle.

Also understand not all women are this way. Every girl i been with loves hearing my side of the story and what i have to say about politics. They love when they find out I’m not only passionate about something, but feel like its the right thing and it’s good. I was very fortunate to meet a girl that accepts others ideals and perspectives.

When i discovered trp, i was very intimidated. I saw posts saying “You are the sun and everyone else in your life are just planets rotating around you” scared me shitless. I hate the idea of dehumanizing others, but thats how you learn to take everything with a grain of salt, and become open to new ideas, such as conservatism.

BitingInsects · 2018-10-29T06:37:58+00:00

To each his own but extremism in any belief usually stems from toxicity.

Granite_Pill · 2018-10-29T03:31:34+00:00

Take the Austrian pill. Austrian economics is what led me here to begin with.

RomeNeverFell · 2018-10-29T04:21:33+00:00

Not at all, I stand by the scientific method and economics as an empirical academic discipline. All of which are de facto refuted by the conservatives as of the past decade.

However, it has given me a stronger position of antagonism towards the modern feminist movement: which is not pro equality of sexes but just more rights for women.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2018-10-29T04:18:41+00:00

While it’s possible for a liberal man to be Red Pill it’s not very likely. TRP preaches self-improvement and not just taking what you’re given and doing what you’re told. That lines up more with conservative thought.

Trainmasta · 2018-10-29T11:29:13+00:00

And that gentlemen, is the true reason TRP got quarantined. It had nothing to do with the stated reasons and everything to do with stunting the spread of conservative ideals ie conservative voters.

byronshadow · 2018-10-29T04:52:26+00:00

Yep. I started out center-left juggling leftist ideology with the pill but I couldn't exist in such a state of double-think for long. Being annoyed at taxes/waste is just the beginning. You even start to understand that old rules most people scoff at were put in place for a reason IE, no one wants to be told not to fool around before marriage, but consider the havoc the AIDS crisis and single motherhood have inflicted upon the world.

SJW ideology is a front for Marxism. Marxist thinkers were surprised that Communism wasn't spreading and concluded they'd have to destroy culture, family structures, and religion to pave the way for it. The whole idea is to attack any established norm or sacred cow, keep shifting the rules, and keep everyone as demoralized as possible. This is why you see leftist figures like Joss Whedon who were considered "woke" a few years ago being attacked for being bigots today. And why they're creating no-win situations like cultural appropriation. Stick to your own culture? Racist. Become interested in other cultures? Still racist.

AvergeReader · 2018-10-29T12:38:37+00:00

No I’m still liberal

toothpick101 · 2018-10-29T05:17:24+00:00

No, I'm not a fucking retard. Red pill works because of biology.

winsmallbutlostbig · 2018-10-29T17:13:36+00:00

As an Asian man, TRP has made me realize the EQ superiority of white men. I agree that there are many Asian men with high EQ who will know how to maneuver himself through social interactions and score dates. But the overwhelming majority of Asian men simply are not born with the EQ of a well rounded social chameleon necessary to be seen as a charismatic leader. Instead, Asians value submissiveness to elders or people with higher social ranking (regardless whether that person deserves their rank or not), which makes them prioritize these traits through generations of reproduction. This might work only in Asia where people are used to be overworked and spend their entire lives in factories and labs, but these same traits are shunned in Western civilization. It is to no surprise that Asian women are fleeing to Western men to escape the life of a soulless drone, which contributes to Asian men's lack of dating success because our looks are the exact reminder of the life they are trying to escape.

I often think of how lucky I am to be in a relationship with a classically attractive Chinese woman, who told me straight up that the only reason she's with me is that I can relate to her culturally, without being socially obtuse due to being raised in North America. But I also come with my baggage of problems which I'll explain in a different post. Overall, I know I'll be called a "chan" or a "sellout", but I firmly believe that most Asian men lack the social finesse required to score dates and Asian women are probably better off with men of Western origins.

RPAlternate42 · 2018-10-30T01:05:28+00:00

Red Pill requires a realistic view of the world and yourself.

Blue Pill requires and idealistic view of the world and yourself.

Blue pill idealism tends to require a fair amount of solipsism to make it work.

That's why blue pill guys think that if they try to he just a little nicer, she'll go on a date with them. Even though being nice hasn't worked for 1 year now. Solipsism makes you convinced that your way is correct and she is at fault.

When she never comes around he gets angry. From his persepctive, his idealism should have worked... It's the ideal way.

Except that idealism requires you to.disregard reality... And the reality is that she never liked him... But he won't accept that because she said they are friends.

A realist says, being nice doesn't work, I'm moving on and stopping it.

TUKINDZ · 2018-10-30T11:06:29+00:00

Anytime you choose to look at the world as it is right now, as opposed to how you think it should be you are bound to become more conservative.

Liberalism is essentially an aspirational view of the world and they're always trying to reengineer the world and society toward the utopia they envision. It's noble in many ways and we need people doing that. It's also quite attractive, especially to the young who think everything old is archaic and based on harmful ideas.

Once you switch to actually looking at life through pure logic and dealing with it as it stands today with all its warts and scars, you lose that idealistic part of yourself. Maybe not all, it'd be impossible to be completely un-idealistic unless you were depressed, but nowhere near when you were are your more liberal you.

It plays out the same anytime a new situation that divides the left & the right arises.

Look at the caravan. Left is idealistic. They believe that a better world is one where all people should be able to accept each other, without borders where we live in harmony as human beings. They want to help those people by letting them in. Conservatives don't want them in because they look at the world as it is. Those people could be criminals, terrorists, because the world is full of criminals & terrorists who might come destroy us all. Plus letting them in only brings more caravans from all over the place, which would mean more criminals & terrorists.

That's how it is. TRP will make you less idealistic and by proxy, more conservative.

memer935115 · 2018-10-29T11:54:37+00:00

I was a normie Trump Conservative beforehand, and reading TRP has come alongside me becoming aligned with the Alt Right.

MongoBeti · 2018-10-30T10:11:48+00:00

Just like Chris Rock routine : « everybody wants you to fit in a box. you’re either liberal or conservative. You can be both... crime? I’m conservative. Prostitution? I’m liberal ». That’s basically how I am... I’m a hardcore conservative for certains issues (death penalty for extreme cases like serial killers and terrorist) and liberal when it comes to gay marriage and other social stuff.. BUT nowadays I’m more of a ‘black pill’ / declinist : not giving a fvck about the social debates and issues and focusing on what benefits me the most in those situations. That may be selfish, amoral to some, but i don’t care. I don’t trust any of the politicians whatever side they are. What matters to me the most is my personal interest and as much freedom as possible.

GodOfDinosaurs · 2018-10-31T00:08:06+00:00

I’m an anarchist (socialist) and TRP has probably made me more radically left-wing. I read pretty widely and observing the way all politics here is filtered through some gender-wars echo chamber has made me realize how susceptible spaces like this are to the dunning-Kruger effect.

However, when it comes to personal improvement and fucking maximum bitches, there’s nowhere better.

ghjklzxcv123 · 2018-10-31T22:49:13+00:00

I became a libertarian, i found redpill, it pushed me more to anarchism

Quaternionz · 2018-10-29T06:56:19+00:00

100% it is has.

Bleeding heart liberal before TRP, now a centrist.

I’d say that in general I stopped wanting to coddle people, or see people coddled. After my BP break up I coddled some people in my life and it didn’t go well. Then a friend chose not to coddle me during a hard time. He knew it’d force me to figure out my own shit, and it did. I stopped coddling women in romantic situations, and that’s working out a whole lot better too.

Example:

Abortion is fine, but men should have the right to abdicate financial responsibility for the child. Just like in nature, you should be able to just pack up and leave the village if you think your whole situation is fucked. If the woman wants support she should earn it by being a good partner, so that her dude will stick around.

If the state is concerned for the welfare of children they should have policies that encourage people to have stable families, discourage the kinds of lifestyle behaviors that lead to single motherhood, and encourage abortions for women in difficult circumstances. They can set up an insurance fund to help women who make good life choices but whose partners die prematurely.

Beyond that, if you fuck up your life, and fuck up your kid’s life, then that’s on you and the kid. If you coddle women and throw government money at them (either directly or by forcing men to pay) then they’re going to behave badly and exacerbate the problem by pumping out more inadequately cared for infants. I feel bad for the kids who would fall through the cracks in this new system and fall victim to shitty mothers and dead beat dads. Nonetheless, I bet it would do a net good. Women would be scared shitless of getting pregnant, or would flock to abortion clinics when pregnant, or would pick more stable resource-rich betas as romantic partners. We’d have fewer unloved screaming little infants running around, and more stable families.

I would have said the complete opposite before TRP.

“Fuck those Chad dads, make them pay.”

“Poor single mommies, it must be so hard.”

Etc...

Now I see the other side of it. I was the beta guy offering the resources and relationship stability, but American women didn’t seem to value that, EVER. I’m a human being and I think I have a basic right to live in a social structure where getting my sexual needs met is possible, AT LEAST IN PRINCIPLE. Not that I deserve sex intrinsically, but there should be a reasonable path to getting laid if you put the effort in. The only way to do that in American society is to unabashedly do the Alpha fucks thing. But then single mommyhood starts to be a danger. Oops!

So, fuck you girls. You can’t set up a social structure where women go exclusively for hot short term breeding opportunities, and then penalize men financially for the consequences of participating in that kind of upside down and backward sexual market.

I still have a lot of sympathy for Democrats. I think they’re generally higher IQ, more rational, and more trustworthy. But I’ll be voting republican from now on just as a big middle finger to the fucked up radically fem-centric anti-family anti-male nanny state that Democrats want to set up for feminists.

I’ll vote Trump just because it’ll make the women in my life who rejected my beta resources cry. Settle down younger, stop breaking up with BP dudes to chase the unattainable chads, value the resources I offer WHEN YOU’RE 22, and then I’ll start voting democrat again.

Until then I’ll be pumping and dumping 20 year old hoes to get my basic human sexual needs met, keeping my resources to myself instead of giving them to used up 30 year old cock carousel rejects, and voting for Trump.

itscollinnotcolin · 2018-10-29T03:54:19+00:00

Yes, I have noticed that as well.

No1Buck · 2018-10-29T12:13:26+00:00

It's normal for people to become more conservative after they get smacked down by reality a few times.

Trip-trader · 2018-10-29T06:51:13+00:00

Nope I enjoy facts and truth too much to be a conservative.

DuhHelluh · 2018-10-29T06:57:48+00:00

No. I used to be a conservative until I discovered my religion was a complete sham, and I was forced to reevaluate how I saw the world. When you learn statements like "climate change isn't man made because God gave us these resources to use" are complete lies used to justify private interests, well it's difficult to remain affiliated with those ideas. Conservatives have gone from fiscal responsibility and preaching family values, to justifying the systematic separation of immigrant families. In a post-Trump world, they can no longer practice what they preach.

Lambdal7 · 2018-10-29T08:16:05+00:00

Through TRP, I saw that a few selected conservative opinions are valid, but that the vast majority violate human rights and are rooted in emotion, not in facts and that they don’t solve anything.

Let’s look at how Conservatives think

Give money to the rich, because then I also get rich because of trickle down economics. (Trickle down economics don’t work...)
Medicare makes everyone lazy and is a net negative even though it’s the complete opposite in any country that offers universal Health care. Instead, let’s let everyone suffer and get fincancially destroyed if any family member gets sick. This is great for the economy.
Everyone should be able to buy Assault Rifles, even the mentally ill and criminals. Background checks aren’t needed. (That’s the case in many states)
Climate change isn’t real even though I don’t have any facts.

It’s true that Conservatives hold feminazis in check, but there is very little upside from Conservative views.

If you look back 100 years, which Conservative policies were strongly beneficial for the U.S.?

mental_models · 2018-10-29T15:59:06+00:00

No.

Not at all. I don't think I've ever considered partisan politics when reading this sub.

muddynips · 2018-10-29T16:50:47+00:00

Not really. I learned early on to take what works and leave the rest. Trp is useful for talking about women and individualism, less so for politics.

I suspect that the more emotionally rooted your political views are, the more trp might change your views. I’m still just as liberal, just not the sort of liberal to engage in identity politics or oppression olympics.

VojvodaSrpski · 2018-10-29T17:31:06+00:00

Nope, I was always extremely conservative.

HeadingRed · 2018-11-03T11:35:06+00:00

I don't see as much value in the label as I used to- libertarians vote GOP and are down with legal drugs, gay marriage, keeping religion out of government which all seem to run against what is considered conservative these days. And you see a couple of consistent DEM voting blocks running the other way. I just don't see the value in the label like I did when I was younger.

Here is where I think we are going - you'll have one bloc from big cities and surrounding suburbs. That's where much of the economic opportunities are. You'll have another block of small town people.

We have states that are small town states- ND gets two senators just like NY and CA - so small town state people get an advantage there (number of people per senator).

I'd vote for about anyone who ran the government using Excel - most seem to be PowerPoint warriors. The SJW's drive me crazy and the other side's religious nutbars do the same. WTF do I have to choose between art school dropouts switching over to gender studies or another telling me dinosaurs are satan's lies to turn you away from jesus?

I want to start the Excel party. We will govern using arithmetic. We will save for a rainy day. We will do our best to give everyone a fair shot at life - but we will also understand that some people cannot be helped.

The closest I've seen to this idea can be found in Steve Balmer's usafacts website. It's all about the data- money, people, where and how much. It's amazing how voters focus on areas that have little to no economic effect.

DamiensLust · 2018-11-04T22:48:01+00:00

Does everyone in this thread realise there's an entire spectrum between conservatives and SJW hardcore feminist ultra-progressive college kids?? The image you have of these people is a tiny minority, but a narrative has been crafted to equate the entire left with them by pushing "Ben shapiro MURDERS and MOLESTS SJWS with FACTS and LOGIC" type videos prominently featuring crazy far-left idiot students. It's not like the only choices are right wing or communist trans activist, "the left" encompasses a lot more than that.

cojohnso · 2018-11-06T02:23:07+00:00

The problem is that “feminism” is meant to mean “equality.”

Many women, sadly, take this way too far & turn feminism into something it’s not- misandry

Hating men is not feminism, misandry is.

MarcellusCrow · 2018-11-18T01:53:42+00:00

I have. The way I see it is it contributed to an overall process that made me more conservative - maturing. I was moderately liberal until maybe 2016, now I'd consider myself centrist; I don't judge a situation as requiring a conservative or liberal view until I've gotten the basic facts. I think the idea of joining a side that mostly takes either a conservative or liberal view on things because 'that's their side' is seriously flawed.

BurnYourFlag · 2018-11-22T08:16:59+00:00

No conservatism and liberalism are garbage at least in my country. Republicans and democrats are the same people and are only there to give people the illusion of choice. The government only exist to protect the property rights of the rich and stifle competition to protect those that contribute to their campaigns.

BurnYourFlag · 2018-11-22T08:26:25+00:00

Liberals: Poor black blames the white man. Poor white blames the black man. Women blame the men, men blame the women. Rich liberal laughs. Oh and to conservatives your all shit too. Conservatives blame the welfare system for taking all their cash, most the cash goes to dropping bombs on poor 3rd world farmers. So that the defense contractor can make billions. Technological advances are stifled by bureaucratic nonsense that you have to have a law degree to understand. Conservative social stances are pure garbage and try to limit ffeedom to enforce religious dogma.

look_good · 2018-10-29T03:48:43+00:00

trp made me go from just disagreeing w liberals to becoming disgusted by them. libs are emotional bitches. i learned you can’t use logic with crazies

GayLubeOil · 2018-10-29T06:11:46+00:00

Conservatives are controlled opposition don't get cucked by that shit. The matrix is composed of a left wing and a right. Your not Red Pill untill you transcend that nonsense.

https://www.socialmatter.net/2016/03/07/the-pathology-of-the-conservative-mind/

PleezSitOnMyFace · 2018-10-29T21:13:57+00:00

I'm pretty conservative in every venue except Healthcare & Climate Change.

brethrenelementary · 2018-10-29T06:23:43+00:00

For me the answer is Fuck Yes. I believe conservatives stand for masculine values (gun rights, protecting your country from foreign 3rd world invaders, not kowtowing to bullshit special rights for trans/gay or any minority group, and individualism over collectivism). Conservatives also support strong father figures in the household while liberals see nothing wrong with fathers missing from families.

Liberals represent feminine values such as welcoming migrant hordes, feminism without any limits on it, unwarranted sympathy for minority groups who are struggling in America, taking away your gun rights, and share the wealth $15 min wage type of thinking. Even one of the main symbols of the left is the pink pussy hats from the Women's March.

Liberal men are much more feminine than conservative men. It's conservative men who are trying to protect traditional masculinity in America.

Bing_Bang_Bam · 2018-10-29T13:49:00+00:00

Both sides are insane. One side is a bunch of Jesus freaks who don't believe pollution is real. The other side thinks women are the most important but that there's no such thing as gender.

The whole thing is sickening. I want off this planet. I just need a really nice ship.

BlueBlus · 2018-10-29T06:22:29+00:00

I become more liberal

rogueman999 · 2018-10-29T07:16:28+00:00

Definitely. I think I would have gone the same route anyways, but it made it easier. There is that famous quote: if at 20 you're not a socialist it means you have no heart, but if at 30 you still are it means you have no head. Very true.

The recent explanation I heard about why the left keeps screaming the same platitudes over and over is that their target is the youth: and the younger the better. Once they get them on board (and teenagers are very susceptible to this kind of pleas) they have the numbers, and it's an uphill battle for reason to de-program them over the next 10 or 20 years.

Well, in US at least it doesn't help that Republicans decided to became a caricature of a party, allied with Evangelicals and represented by Sarah Palin. And for reasons I don't understand yet, every time libertarians try to organize into a party they end up crazy or being led by crazy. It's almost like a picture of right vs wrong. No wonder young people fall so hard for it.

chomponthebit · 2018-10-29T09:42:15+00:00

I’m a moderate. So far as taxes go, how do you think the roads and schools, etc, get built if we don’t pay taxes? What are you gonna drive your tax-free car down?

SheenCharlie · 2018-10-29T04:05:52+00:00

Yes.

backdoorinvestor · 2018-10-29T05:08:37+00:00

Yes

coriollanvs · 2018-10-29T06:55:02+00:00

I was a fascist. Not anymore. Fuck collectivism.

NiceTryDisaster · 2018-10-29T07:49:32+00:00

No. Always was a centrist/apolitical before. Still the same now

OfficerWade · 2018-10-29T10:09:08+00:00

Honestly I was raised conservative and red pill since I could remember. It wasn’t until I became an adult that I realized I was making a choice to begin with much less any facts about the political landscape as a whole. If there are any but we don’t have to go there. My blue pill fantasy’s weren’t crushed until I realized my dick was the center of the universe to women and I stopped basking in every workmen’s attention.

We weren’t even fanatics in my house. I listened to Glenn beck radio and Found out you don’t go around telling people hey I’m a conservative. But it would be good to be prepared to argue for any belief you have in case you’re called to back it up. Most people I knew around me growing up didn’t tell you who they voted for or would lash out against you for taking a side.

Everyone has an opinion. You don’t have to be ashamed of it. The red pill is all about bringing the mind back together. I don’t know if makes you more conservative it’s just the mind is so powerful you tend to attract like minds,. In the movie Solaris(2002) we get a scene where the character gets played a movie and he says we don’t want new worlds- we want mirrors!

McDrMuffinMan · 2018-10-29T11:24:39+00:00

Reality tends to do that to you

IRunYourRiver · 2018-10-29T12:24:26+00:00

I wouldn't say that I'm more conservative, but I'm more willing to listen and think for myself. Sometimes this puts me crossways with my liberal friends and my former ideologies. But that's probably how it should be.

liberty1127 · 2018-10-29T12:27:51+00:00

I'm a libertarian...which most liberals tend to confuse with conservative...although a lot of libertarian values are conservative except for socisl issues and drugs.

ultimatrev666 · 2018-10-29T12:49:49+00:00

Was an extreme leftist, but now am moderately so.

I still do believe equality, be it for hetero/homo/trans/men/women/whites/minorities, should be a goal of society. However, the political climate of the left to paint all white men as privileged and rapists really irks me. Growing up with Autism and being constantly bullied, having no friends whatsoever, even now in my mid 30's, I would hardly consider myself privileged.

At the same time, I am equally irked by conservatives and the fact their religious views are a cancer to society.

jekporkins77 · 2018-10-29T12:54:23+00:00

I was going to trump rallies before I found TRP

Prodigalrockstar · 2018-10-29T13:15:14+00:00

LOL. yeah you're a year away buddy. enjoy your liberalism while you still can.

RPLawyer · 2018-10-29T13:15:22+00:00

1000% more. Especially up there in Quebec where we're just constantly swimming in liberal/proto-socialist bong water. I wouldn't go as far as calling myself alt-right mostly because I think their attitude towards the Jews is that same feminism's towards rich men but I'm definitely a conservative now while I used to be very liberal just 5 years ago.

There is also the fact that that I've been getting older. As they say, If you're a conservative at 20 you have no heart and if you're a liberal at 40 you have no brain. Guess I don't really have a heart anymore.

Jrobalmighty · 2018-10-29T13:18:29+00:00

Just an open comment as someone who's asked himself this same question.

First off I don't buy into any theology, philosophy or set principles without a lot of built in checks and balances to prevent my bias from impacting my observations.

I think being older contributed to the parts of TRP that I accept. When I say parts I mostly mean the community. I don't hate women or feel the need to stick it to them literally and figuratively to hurt them.

I do accept that there are some hard truths about predictable human behavior that trp represents that go against spurious social norms that are nonsense.

The ideas presented in trp are not 'should' rules but methods for achieving a certain outcome.

As an example I think all people are fighting the primal urges of mating behaviors that have gotten humans to 2018.

I have to fight the urge to not beat the shit out of a lot of people. I don't just go around raging for many reasons because my prefrontal cortex is doing it's job.

Just bc people have an impulse to behave a certain way doesn't mean they're bound by their impulses.

So while TRP cuts through a lot of modern day social norm bs it also should be used as a tool and not a lifestyle.

If you're entire life is based around any one particular thing then you're failing as a human being.

I'm sure someone will want to argue these points but what I'm saying is be a balanced person and don't fall down rabbit holes that don't lead to personal growth.

Always challenge your own beliefs more than everyone else's and usually you can be sure whether you actually reasoned your way to a certain political principle or whether you were trafficked that way by a set of rigid beliefs that probably lack proper premises.

Planner_Hammish · 2018-10-29T13:21:16+00:00

Definitely. Taking responsibility for your lot in life is a typical conservative value, and by taking the pill you accept that you are responsible for your success or failure. Your choices determine your outcomes.

bsutansalt · 2018-10-29T14:05:59+00:00

Sorta. I'm what Tucker Carlson coined "the red pill right". Politically libertarian, but culturally conservative.

Since getting involved in this community I've come to realize the value in old school ways of thinking, especially with regard to moderating women's hypergamy. The old ways worked, even if they were repressive of women's sexuality.

Back then our elders had to be because we didn't have the pill and abortion wasn't legal. Now that those things exist women are free to let their hypergamy control them and we've seen the results of nearly 50 years of unchecked hypergamy and women's dulasistic mating strategy.

Now comes the fallout, a society where guys don't contribute to society and we enjoy the decline. Is all of this shit good for the long term survival of western society? Hell no. In fact we can see the writing on the wall, more conservative and traditional cultures are going to replace us in the long-run. Our own liberal ideals have sealed our fate.

More to come, I need to get back to work...

BurningOrangeHeaven · 2018-10-29T14:27:23+00:00

If you mean in a political sense then no. I dont agree with many of their policies. We really need a stronger third party imo, the other options right now are laughable.

tearsofgaia · 2018-10-29T14:32:28+00:00

More cynical more like

momomotorboat · 2018-10-29T15:02:05+00:00

I resent the idea that being liberal automatically aligns you with feminism or sjw's. I'm a liberal who thinks there are 2 genders, new-wave feminism is toxic and thinks capitalism done right is a good thing. But being raised a Buddhist in America always gave me a different paradigm to begin with, so I'm used to being heckled.

dtyler86 · 2018-10-29T16:16:57+00:00

Yes. Entirely. I grew up in a house of all women, was literally raised almost to be a feminist male, yettt... despite my previously republican views (now centrist libertarian), voting for trump was a no brained based entirely off of one concept: Hillary’s feminist agenda.

ultrasuperthrowaway · 2018-10-29T16:27:58+00:00

I’ve always been Conservative, and if anything I think the Republican Party is becoming too liberal. Trump isn’t even conservative in my opinion.

The_Lightskin_Wonder · 2018-10-29T17:34:51+00:00

It has and being black it has some conflicting feelings, but it has allowed me to see where the disconnect is in race problems. Without going too deep both parties are at fault

Ayubdj7 · 2018-10-29T19:01:27+00:00

On economic issues I'm more left, but on social issues I'm more conservative.

_Neon_Shadow_ · 2018-10-29T04:42:49+00:00

If anything it has made me more left-leaning.

SpinPlates · 2018-10-29T04:04:25+00:00

Nope. Made me more cynical.

Alpha fucks beta bucks. Thankfully I'm in the 20% of men so I'll keep fucking the sloots and sit back and watch the system crumble.

Salty bottom percentage of men downvoting me. Gotta love it.

PIGamer86 · 2018-10-29T05:14:42+00:00

It made me more anarchist. No, not that socialist bullshit that edgy leftists keep trying to push.

FulkOberoi · 2018-10-29T07:35:19+00:00

Oh yes, fuck yes. I also have generalised depression and anxiety and I cannot shut it off now. It’s also made me a little bit misogynistic. Although those are my issues I cannot blame TRP for it, that’ll be like killing the messenger.

TopofToronto · 2018-10-29T09:09:07+00:00

No I have always been somewhat conservative ( fiscal not social ) in my outlook. The thing that TRP has helped in is seeing through the radical Left's arguments -- the Ahh there is no logic there, it is just hamstering

Demanding that the debate be caged in the language of Marx and class struggle or "through a feminist lens" or "white privilege" means I have to join them in the hamster wheel and get no where.

The Good ally mean Orbiter -- Your problems or the problems of men or discrimination of White people or Poor Americans will never be addressed, you will be just used and disposed of as a good ally.

And attempts to guilt and shame you into following them or fall into line. or fear of not being popular and with the "in crowd" no longer has an effect on me as it once did.

buddhismo_communismo · 2018-10-29T14:19:28+00:00

It's made me even more revolutionary socialist tbh. In my political tendency (Orthodox Marxism) we criticize moralist, bleeding heart liberals & edgy, irrational, postmodernist radfems even more than we do conservatives. Red Pill mirrors Marxism by having a logically consistent strategy for achieving our self-interests. It places the onus of responsibility on human agency ("from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution"...you lazy fucks will have a bad time in the DoTP). It is amoral but not immoral.

Title	Has TRP made you more conservative?
Author	ZhmaoZao
Upvotes	162
Comments	208
Date	October 29, 2018 3:18 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/9s9kdz/has_trp_made_you_more_conservative/
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