I've read a lot of books, and most were useless. But these 3 have helped me the most: 'Models' by Mark Manson, 'How To Win Friends And Influence People' by Dale Carnegie, and 'Way Of The Superior Man' by David Deida. If I had to start again, I'd just read and revise these books, and ignore the rest.

B0O8I3S · 2020-02-12T17:55:13+00:00

Also read 'as you are' by Nick Sparks. It is said to be the best book on engaging people next to 'how to win friends and influence people'. It is a really good book on seduction and understanding women!

caesarfecit · 2020-02-12T20:05:52+00:00

I've read them all, none of them helped me in the slightest. Why? Because is don't implement what they taught. I just went "huh, thats really cool, can't wait to try it" and then never did.

Don't be like me. Nobody writes about "heros" that just sat at home living their life as they always have.

I'd add "the charisma myth" and "the willpower instinct" to that list as well.

Davarias94 · 2020-02-12T17:44:39+00:00

Add to your list the definitive book of body language and you’ll be grateful.

skinisblackmetallic · 2020-02-12T19:16:46+00:00

Superior Man has a lot of interesting framing in f concepts but it reads so much like poetic guru bullshit that I just can’t get through it. Ultimately, no one book is all that important.

imageall · 2020-02-12T20:04:49+00:00

I've read "Never split the difference" by Chris Voss, it's not about seduction or pickup but about negotiation -- the author is a retired FBI hostage negotiator. He's better at doing his job than teaching it imo, but he made a number of pretty good points as far as making sure you get what you're aiming for with another person in a way that leaves them glad to have worked with you.

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FrameByFramed · 2020-02-12T19:27:00+00:00

Having read all 3 of those books (I'll admit I didn't finish Carnegie), I don't share your opinion. I'm not saying they don't have valuable information, but in my case (not knowing how to flirt or talk to girls at all) I found a few of the daygame textbooks were much more helpful.

Specifically, Tom Torero's "Street Hustle" and Nick Krauser's "Daygame Mastery."

I don't do any daygame, but the flirting, texting, date planning, verbal and physical escalation is all applicable to wherever you meet a girl. I've had good results.

godoffertility · 2020-02-12T20:38:16+00:00

I’m reading The Charisma Myth right now and it’s nothing short of fantastic.

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Dea_G · 2020-02-12T18:44:19+00:00

Models is a great book. I was in the middle of reading How to Win Friends when I lost a very important friendship and haven’t pick it back up since. I gotta get over the mental block and start again.

kodat · 2020-02-13T03:37:16+00:00

Corey Wayne 3% man is pretty good but models pretty much covers the same-ish stuff

haunts99 · 2020-02-13T05:01:13+00:00

I came here to fully endorse Models by mark Manson. No scummy tactics just an honest look at how to attract women. It should be mandatory reading for sex Ed.

Anti-Satan · 2020-02-12T18:29:46+00:00

Manson's book is pretty much the start of the current wave in pickup so yeah. Carnegie's is a classic, but it's kind of old at this point and also pretty tangental. I haven't read Deida's book, but given how good your other two recommendations are, I'm going to check it out.

But does anyone else feel like the seduction community is stuck in a rut? I feel like it's devolved into tribalism with PUAs being too obsessed with getting and maintaining clients and so debasing their systems to make them more appealing, niggardly sprinkling them out and making them arcane and secretive to avoid theft by rival PUAs, destroying cooperation. Like, has anyone made any significant advances since Mark with Models???

U_feel_Me · 2020-02-12T19:07:45+00:00

A lot of ideas related to sales will be useful in seduction. “How to Win Friends” is a classic. Zig Ziglar has a lot of popular sales talks (now audiobooks and also on Spotify.)
“The Game” was good and vastly popularized the seduction community, and the sequels (where the author rejects seduction after it gets him everything that he wanted) are also interesting. Mystery’s book (wth various diagrams) was also kind of interesting,

2020-02-12T23:53:43+00:00

David Goggins: Can’t hurt me.

AndreVigor · 2020-02-13T04:59:29+00:00

Never read models, but have read How to Win Friends and Influence People and The Way of The Superior Man. Great reads indeed!

RethinkYourReality · 2020-02-13T13:39:33+00:00

i go back to models again and again.

flanker34 · 2020-02-12T16:47:58+00:00

What other books have you read?

RethinkYourReality · 2020-02-12T18:50:02+00:00

What other books on game have you read?

danirobot · 2020-02-12T21:03:40+00:00

Everyone: “I’d add to that ...,” “I’d add to that ...,” “I’d add to that ...,” “I’d add to that ...” Me: So much for 3!

caesarfecit · 2020-02-13T01:49:13+00:00

Agree 100%.

Each one of these books is money when it comes to dating, and social skills in general. High value, high wisdom, great return on investment.

Highly recommend each one. I learned more from Models then half the shit I've ever read on pickup, and I've read a lot.

Lilly1827 · 2020-02-13T06:38:08+00:00

Is it also accurate for seducing men?

RethinkYourReality · 2020-02-13T06:58:25+00:00

A million times yes. Although, Way of the Superior Man had some questionable things... Not sure that the stereotyping of redheads and latinas as "hot" and blondes as "cold" is necessarily accurate though lol. But otherwise, absolutely.

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Mikeeppi17 · 2020-02-13T12:46:41+00:00

3% man by corey wayne changed my dating life

beaumande · 2020-02-16T16:56:25+00:00

I have only read models and how to win friends and influence people. Models is really great for eyeopeners and detecting some fundamental flaws on your character, you maybe do not notice because you do not have a birds eye view of your life, eg you think the way you are is the norm because you are most familiar with.

Especially about being high value and not needy and showing high value does not equate body builder or loaded with cash, which lots of guys assume.

One thing to remember is that how to win friends is not a good book to learn how to pick up women. If you compare it to models, it says opposite things. How to win friends learns to be agreable, act like the other person is the most interesting in the world, aks lots of questions, do not disagree etc.

Models learns you should make statements more, talk more about yourself, polarize, if you disagree, tell, polarize etc.

If I wanted I could get a 1000 female friends, but none of them would want to fuck me. They would all see my as their lovely little baby brother. How to win friends came easy to me, and It helped me a lot. Models was more of an eye opener and shocked me a little, I have more of a hard time executing it.

zero-hero0-100 · 2020-02-12T20:49:41+00:00

Mark Manson is a delusional fraud with average game. I don’t recommend any newb read use that as a template. He’s pimping his audience by telling them what they want to hear. So much shit in models is fabricated idealized nonsense. For example he says at one point that a girl isn’t worth your time or affection if she gives you shit test, which of course isn’t true. His take on inner game has merit but that’s about it.

Out of all the pua material out there the early RSD stuff is the best. The blueprint decoded is all you really need as a beginner and maybe some infield to see what real game looks like. However, I’d stay away from RSD new material. They’re trying to be like Tony Robbins or something it seems disingenuous and try hard to me.

testandreview · 2020-02-12T20:11:56+00:00

For me Models and No More Mr NiceGuy. NMMNG will be probably the very 1st book I ever will read twice

RethinkYourReality · 2020-02-12T21:33:53+00:00

saving for later

letsgetrandy · 2020-02-12T22:28:57+00:00

Good choices.

KingLdrago · 2020-02-13T00:42:34+00:00

Add atomic attraction by christopher canwell into your reading list as well. A really good book.

stumje · 2020-02-13T02:11:35+00:00

The alabaster girl has alot of gold in it, almost done reading it.

GrandmasterJack · 2020-02-13T04:01:12+00:00

reading how to influence ppl right now !

FPHeagle · 2020-02-13T06:10:05+00:00

Remindme! 1 day

nameisahmad · 2020-02-13T08:07:16+00:00

Models by mark have changed my life, gonna read as you are too

actionassist · 2020-02-13T12:50:55+00:00

How do you feel about 48 laws pf power/ the art of seduction?

daddyclappingcheeks · 2020-02-17T16:35:02+00:00

“The art of seduction” no?

Puriwara · 2020-02-12T18:16:16+00:00

I’m reading the ”How to make friends and influence people” by Carnegie right now. Seriously awesome book. Saw a guy here in the comments claim that all it helps you with is becoming a corporate asslicker, but it’s good for so much more. Whether for seduction purposes or not, it is definitely worth a read.

valleyediowa959 · 2020-02-12T18:05:59+00:00

Which would you recommend to start with?

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Doc_holidazed · 2020-02-13T01:11:45+00:00

Thanks I will check them out. Damn Amazon recommended 3% man by Corey Wayne and for some fucking reason it had good reviews. Pure blue pilled beta bullshit from cover to cover.

2020-02-13T10:51:27+00:00

I've read the 3, I think how to win friends and influence people is overrated, in 1 line you resume a whole chapter, lots of useless information and not enough practical stuff imo. The way of the superior man is good but too spiritual I think. Models is the best of the 3.

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BallinPoint · 2020-02-12T20:36:26+00:00

I've read the deida's book and it's just spiritual indian woo woo and I hated it and just because you've found them useful, doesn't mean other books aren't helpful. Generalizing posts like these drive me crazy because YOU are the scientific study of precisely ONE PERSON and SUBJECTIVE AND BIASED at that. So please go fuck yourself with this post.

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