A simple summary of the whole man vs bear debate.

Sintar07 · 2024-05-06T18:57:34+00:00

That's how a lot of their arguments work today.

Feminists literally believe disagreement marks a man as party to their (purported) oppression, retroactively justifying anything they might do or say to that man.

mahtaileva · 2024-05-06T21:27:22+00:00

let em choose the bear lol, not a mistake you get to make twice

63daddy · 2024-05-06T21:51:53+00:00

Give these women their wish. Provide them with a few dozen polar bear encounters.

ZandorFelok · 2024-05-06T22:21:02+00:00

Everything is a witch hunt these days

If it sinks, it's not a witch (it dies from drowning)
If it floats, it's a witch and thus it will be burnt

Call the variations whatever: witch hunt or kafka trap, it's a double negative argument in which there is no win except for the opposite side.

"The only way to win is to not play"

TacticusThrowaway · 2024-05-06T19:42:20+00:00

I've seen this argument before, and ironically, it just shows that people who agree with the bear have very distorted threat assessments.

If they're equating internet disagreement to actual danger.

Also; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Kafkatrap

Also, it's extremly misogynist to assume only men disagree. But that's seldom stopped feminists before.

AttackOnPunchMan · 2024-05-06T21:26:54+00:00

Most of them have the mind of a child. They know nothing about nature, nothing about animals. They're just saying a bunch of nonsense for either attention or to feel superior. Nothing else, no deep meaning or anything edgy.

Just ignorance and stupidity

SirComandante · 2024-05-06T18:56:30+00:00

You know I'm actually worried that debating this is going to encourage some chick to try and go out to prove that bears are safer then ROAR!! 😱 and that's it for her.

SergeantPsycho · 2024-05-07T00:43:36+00:00

I don't know if it has a name, but there's a logical fallacy I've seen were correctly predicting someone's natural reaction to something is used as proof as something bad about that person. Like "Burn her at the stake. If she screams in fear, she was a witch!"

throwawayoldaolcd · 2024-05-07T00:44:03+00:00

That emotional reasoning… so illogical

I like this related question.

Black woman, you are alone in a conference room. Who do you want to walk in: white man or white woman?

The answer is overwhelmingly white man.

https://www.tiktok.com/@committothebritt/video/7364807911694060846

serial_crusher · 2024-05-06T21:35:22+00:00

TBH I don’t know why everybody is getting upset about this.

Do you want to spend time around a woman who thinks this way? I sure don’t. Let her have the bear.

smm8880088 · 2024-05-06T19:42:39+00:00

If this is all just some bait, I don't know how making abuse and misandry humorous as a way to lure men in a good thing.

Then again, we cannot underestimate feminists and their bs.

Suspicious-Singer659 · 2024-05-06T20:15:42+00:00

Do. . . Do they think the bear would make better memes?

aBlackKing · 2024-05-07T04:03:37+00:00

Sounds about right. Pretty much why I don’t waste time with talking to feminists.

ShaidarHaran2 · 2024-05-07T03:34:50+00:00

Just more proof that many people who call themselves and possibly think they are feminists are really just using it as an excuse for gross misandry.

All male crimes are committed by some 1-2% of males, and the majority of those would be nonviolent crimes, also known as most people are good or at least neutral. A bears gonna kill you. This is all so stupid.

Kathhound12 · 2024-05-06T21:06:44+00:00

This is why MGTOW is king. Wouldn’t want to date a dusty, broke, victim bear woman anyway. Drizzle Drizzle ☕️

coffeeinvenice · 2024-05-07T01:38:30+00:00

A simple response to a Kafkatrap:

"Okay, two can play that game. I don't think you're a human being, I think you're really a horse. And the fact that you deny being a horse, proves that you are a horse."

IllustriousSalt5696 · 2024-05-07T02:37:39+00:00

I used to work for a charity that provided shelter to battered women and children and the level of insanity of some women was scary. They were getting beat up and still would pick fights with the same men.

Snoo20855 · 2024-05-07T03:22:43+00:00

I get that this whole thing is supposed to be inflammatory or whatever, given that when you push back against it people automatically resort to “haha you’re mad because you’re the type of man that would harm a woman!!! This only proves my point!” (Very ratty argument and highly dishonest).

But the bigger thing for me in this whole thing is it shows just how much people tend to go off statistics and blow everything way out of proportion and really only do this when it comes to people they don’t like/want to paint a certain way.

I still have yet to hear an actual answer to this from that side (if anyone who agrees with this bear crap would, please), but if they’re consistent, why would they not apply this logic to black people and their rate of violent crime to say we should be weary of them all? There are probably actual racists that do, but from my experience, the vast majority of people do not use this thinking online or in real life. So why so quick to do it in regards to men as a whole?

EzraBlaize · 2024-05-06T20:17:15+00:00

Careful, mods are on a power trip. This post might get removed at a moment’s notice. Feminists are taking over

jaypb182 · 2024-05-07T11:24:29+00:00

It's a Kafka trap.

2024-05-07T04:02:27+00:00

I find myself often wondering if the feminist movement failed Chesterton’s fence.

ABBucsfan · 2024-05-07T05:35:48+00:00

Meh I kinda thought it wasnt even worth my time, I understood the idea we should all be asking why women might respond that way, but also they need to understand that exaggerations and dramatizing stuff makes it less likely you'll be taken seriously. It's just not a good way to argue and can be smelled from a mile away. It kinda left me asking why is it that so many women tend to do that to begin with.

Having said all that for the most part I've just been enjoying seeing the bear memes everywhere. Good old internet humour.

What kinds irks me is all this you men need to do better. When was the last time you saw a guy ever try to tell the entire female gender that they need to do better? Sorry ladies you need to stop getting a free meal.from every guy and taking advantage of lonely men in onlyfans..you all need to do better as a gender. Rediculous right? I guess one is a more visible harm even if it's a minority and one is a more manipulative under the table harm that has some deniability and being able to portray as some kind of victim less crime. Huge efforts to legitimize their sins imo

spidey20993 · 2024-05-07T05:40:15+00:00

Looking forward for the next versus debate they'll come up with

CarpetCreed · 2024-05-07T05:57:18+00:00

Idk why you guys are still talking about this

alabamaispoor · 2024-05-07T07:12:27+00:00

Tbh I would pick the bear over a woman if given the choice.

Infinite_Procedure98 · 2024-05-07T07:39:00+00:00

The intentions of the questions are visible in women's comments. It served just to say "men are dangerous to women". It could have also been formulated like "I'd rather eat shit than being alone with a man" or "I'd rather meet a green alien than a man".
If men disagree with it it means they "don't understand" and "are the reason why women have chosen the bear". That means two things: "our judgement is superior to yours" and "if you don't understand the 2nd world war that means you are the reason of the war". Pretty too much logical fallacies.
They could save all the circus of "smart" hints (who are not) and just simply say "we hate men". But we already knew it, thanks.

pissed_off_elbonian · 2024-05-07T12:03:04+00:00

I mean, if the lunatics and their supporters are this nuts, then the best bet is to avoid them

AigisxLabrys · 2024-05-07T17:05:57+00:00

Feminism in a nutshell.

Due_Habit_1984 · 2024-05-07T03:48:00+00:00

What is a "bear", please? In this context, I mean; not in nature :-p

kiaeej · 2024-05-07T04:29:16+00:00

Heads i win, tails you lose.

BCRE8TVE · 2024-05-07T19:16:50+00:00

Feminism love playing the game of "heads women win, tails men lose".

Character_Display945 · 2024-05-07T23:15:35+00:00

Genuine question- is it possible that it wasn’t meant for agreement or disagreement and that women were trying to explain the real experiences they have had and seen that make them feel fearful? Similar to how you wouldn’t disagree with someone if they said their favorite color is blue?

ElegantAd2607 · 2024-05-08T06:29:04+00:00

This is the most perfect conclusion to the whole debacle. Thanks. The man vs bear thing is so incredibly stupid.

WannabeLeagueBowler · 2024-05-06T19:21:20+00:00

It's not a debate. It's bait. Women are laughing at you for taking it.

Title	A simple summary of the whole man vs bear debate.
Author	TackyTacoTuesday
Upvotes	382
Comments	130
Date	May 6, 2024 6:43 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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