The idea of a "woman's true nature" generally come from the combination of facts and self-projection

Tylikcat · 2025-05-02T17:41:13+00:00

"and influenced by their mood and their menstrual cycle"

Men have more mood variation than women.

attendquoi · 2025-05-02T16:08:20+00:00

I think this makes sense for women who want kids. Personally, my selectiveness just comes from not having a problem being single.

SoftWaterHol4 · 2025-05-02T14:51:17+00:00

So only women are influenced by their moods? That's a wild way to word it. I'm pretty sure men are also influenced by their moods, judging from the way they behave when they get upset their favorite sports team loses (or alternatively, they lose in a video game).

It's an interesting phenomenon how blind men are to their own emotional behavior, while also overestimating how emotional women are.

im_rarely_wrong · 2025-05-02T14:54:20+00:00

My man's history posts and comments are just "women are wonderful" and the term "self projection" a billion times.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-05-02T15:00:50+00:00

It comes from seeing women as alien creatures, aka pedestalizing.

FearlessSea4270 · 2025-05-02T13:59:07+00:00

I’m sorry you think men aren’t influenced by their mood or hormonal cycles?…

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2025-05-02T17:46:18+00:00

Women are more:

influenced by their mood

Contradicts this:

Men don't have this kind of problem and are even more likely to take risks than women.

Men take more risks with their health and safety than women by far.

Men are more likely to abuse substances, more likely to have sex with questionable partners and prostitutes, more likely to break the law, more likely to act on fetishes and myriad and sundry sexual urges, more likely to react to frustration with physical anger, more likely to destroy property. Men are more likely to believe in conspiracies, to sacrifice their reputations, their jobs, and their safety for groupthink/jingoistic adherence.

What do you believe influences all that risk taking behavior?

richOldFuck · 2025-05-03T00:57:54+00:00

Dating apps are a problem since they are male tailored by showing a false illusion of infinit amount of option mainly assessable by visually. That completly broke the selection process of a woman and make her more pickier

This is correct - albeit, there’s a fault also contributed to the fact a lot of women overestimate that they are as sexually motivated as men, and they too try to choose by visuals alone.

TermAggravating8043 · 2025-05-02T14:52:43+00:00

Sounds like women are just the more sensible of the 2 genders

RayAP19 · 2025-05-02T14:02:03+00:00

imagine being forced to choose one meal you will eat for the rest of your life. You won't rush things at all since you don't want to choose wrongly

Who's not rushing things? There's a single-mother epidemic in certain demographics that implies a good amount of rushing.

if every man could put himself in the shoes of a woman they could get better at dating

I think the inverse is truer tbh. Dating is the one area of human society (in the West) where women are undoubtedly more advantaged and privileged than men.

Fearless-Addition537 · 2025-05-02T17:58:53+00:00

Pause I feel what you’re saying but we gotta stop with this women are weaker shit The patriarchy perpetuates that. How is an entire sex weaker when they can bleed for 1week- months and still show up for work , go to school , take care of business ect When women have periods their mood is influenced by the hormone testosterone. The same hormone that is dominant in men so by your logic men are just influenced by their emotions all the time . They are emotional all the time Please stop the bulkshit of saying women are weaker because they have periods and give birth. It’s just perpetuating a lie .

SandBrilliant2675 · 2025-05-02T18:11:06+00:00

People in general are not a monolith. Very few people are actually saints. Most (dare I say all) people are complex individuals with many, many facets.

Unless we are taking about actual sainthood, the term saint is utterly subjective. As pithy as it is, women are not inherently wonderful, they are people, again, with complex thoughts, feelings and motivation. In this same vein, men are not trash, they are just people with complex thoughts, feelings, and motivation. I say it again because I think it needs to sink in.

I think it’s pretty reductive to say that men have less needs. It’s almost like your reducing needs to the feeling of being physically safe, which I agree, men likely feel more often than women, but ignoring all the other things a man might need or want out of life. It’s also pretty reductive to say women are just checking of a list of stats and attributes when looking for a partner, it dehumanized both men and women.

Hypergamy is a pseudo social science concept at best, and if we are to take it at face value, as women’s educational level increases, the tendency for women to “marry up” actually trends down.

I agree we shouldn’t be raising anyone to a pedestal, but why is the rhetoric. If women aren’t wonderful or if women aren’t saints, they must be terrible, they must be liars, and they must benefit from the facade they most definitely have put up. Why can’t we just say women aren’t wonderful/saints, women are people. Just like men.

Question: What do you want out of this debate?

Miss_Acassia-9374 · 2025-05-02T20:11:54+00:00

My thoughts are, where are you from? And where did you get your psychology, philosophy, and sociology degrees? If you have none of those, which I assume you don't, what makes you an expert on the differences between men and women, more specifically women being the weaker sex?

jazzmaster1992 · 2025-05-02T15:16:28+00:00

People in general just want a partner they like and are attracted to, and share their life goals. I don't think its much more complicated than this, nor does it need to be. You can make yourself crazy feeling resentful toward people who don't find you attractive when you think they "should", or you can move on and find someone who is. If you can't find anyone who's attracted to you, maybe you need to change something, or maybe you're just unlucky.

I don't really know how many women are picky because of pregnancy risks. Women have a ton of options and generally can be more selective because of said options. This is regardless of her wanting kids or not. I think the pregnancy risks somewhat explain why some women are more selective, but in all honesty I feel like many women who want children will quickly find a man to start a family with, and aren't just arbitrarily gatekeeping their sexuality.

The last part is important, because I think where people might get misled is thinking that women who are especially selective about who their life partner and potential father to their child is, is thinking beyond what I suspect many men do. And what I suspect men are socialized to expect in a relationship is little more than a live-in rommate or friend that they gain access to sex and emotional validation from. It's subtle, but wildly important when you think about how men talk about relationships. To a large extent, many men expect women to be an "accessory" to their life, and it's even validated in Manosphere truisms like "focus on building your wealth and status and women will come". As opposed to actively seeking out and selecting for the right partner, men are being told that women just happen into their life and join them for the ride, and he just continues his life as normal, where she's often more or less expected to "subsume" herself into his lifestyle choices. This is why so much manosphere content tells guys to get their money up, their body right, but curiously doesn't say much about being socially pro-active in a way that builds important friendships and helps find the right women.

And because women are aware of just how many men take a "shotgun" approach to dating, they're even less likely to feel flattered or validated by male attention as men are by women. Maybe if guys were socialized to be as pro-active and thoughtful about selecting a partner as say, getting the best HP/dollar ratio on a sports car or building the tightest gaming PC, they wouldn't feel as frustrated just randomly trying to hit on as many pretty girls as they can find as opposed to thinking about what type of relationship(s) they want, and then consistently looking for that.

kratomphysician · 2025-05-02T14:25:32+00:00

Well, the state has created a safety net that essentially takes away any risk of serious harm toward women (with some outliers of course). Women can get fed, sheltered, educated, police protection, child support, alimony, healthcare, and pretty much have all their needs met from society. It seems that women are acting from a space of pure biological programming, if they’re concerned about vulnerability

RapaxIII · 2025-05-02T15:49:20+00:00

Two of the most important things young men learn:

1) that their parents want them to treat women like darling little angels no matter what, simply because they're women, and

2) all of that stuff about women being wonderful is complete bullshit, but calling it out makes you a misogynist/bigoted.

It's a tough balancing act for young men today, you have to pretend that the majority of this generation of women is actually worth dating without getting to point out the bad shit they do

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insert_dead_memes · 2025-05-06T15:46:26+00:00

So men dont know enough about women's nature but women know enough about men's nature to be able to tell that they're projecting?

calmly86 · 2025-05-02T14:57:48+00:00

The main valid complaint from men about women being so selective is that women should be selective, BUT they’re selective about the wrong things.

If a woman wants a man to remain by her side throughout pregnancy and to help raise their child… why do they pick the men that multiple other women are throwing themselves at? If he’s six foot whatever, handsome, good career, and has “rizz” or swagger… just what are the odds he’s going to remain faithful, or even stick around when he’s that much in demand? Women constantly claim “men only want one thing” or “all men are pigs…” yet never seem to realize that since so many women are after so few men, it’s those very few men who behave the way women say they hate.

If women’s selectivity places more importance on height, charm, social status, etc… and Mr. Player leaves them a single mother… how is that the fault of the men she didn’t pick?

Fearless-Addition537 · 2025-05-02T17:58:23+00:00

Pause I feel what you’re saying but we gotta stop with this women are weaker shit The patriarchy perpetuates that. How is an entire sex weaker when they can bleed for 1week- months and still show up for work , go to school , take care of business ect When women have periods their mood is influenced by the hormone testosterone. The same hormone that is dominant in men so by your logic men are just influenced by their emotions all the time . They are emotional all the time Please stop the bulkshit of saying women are weaker because they have periods and give birth. It’s just perpetuating a lie .

The idea of a "woman's true nature" generally come from the combination of facts and self-projection

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Title	The idea of a "woman's true nature" generally come from the combination of facts and self-projection
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