Q4M: Do you not enjoy being sexy for it's own sake?

NockerJoe · 2019-07-06T07:22:22+00:00

Hitting workout goals doesn't make me feel sexy. Hitting workout goals makes me feel like I hit a goal and have something to be proud of. The body I get from it mostly exists to either attract women or make other men jealous. I caught a chick in a window mirin' this afternoon but thats it. It didn't even make me want to work out more since the accomplishments themselves are what get me.

Hell I don't even dress sexy when I do go out half the time. I can usuallynput together a decent outfit but yesterday I went to the local coffee shop in sweat pants and a t shirt and felt no different from my usual collared shirt and leather shoes.

I literally can't imagine taking nudes of myself for no reason. Even the act of taking selfies is something I developed as a skill simply because women basically demand social media presence at this point even from high value guys.

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T08:01:56+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

Wow maybe this really is a girl thing. The only reason I would ever even consider doing any of these things is as a preview to myself of how good I'll look to women.

Maybe this drive and multiple conscious explanations for satisfying it is hardcoded into women because of how important looks are to a woman's genetic destiny?

Barely-moral · 2019-07-06T07:48:54+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

Only when I need to go to a place where I have to look a certain way.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

I never feel sexy. I am careful about what I wear even when I am not in public because Miss moral exists and caring about my image is a way to keep her happy and the relationship alive and healthy.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

No. Keeping my body in shape is only a mean to an end. If it didn't make a difference in the SMP then I wouldn't do it.

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

Nope.

WhatIsTheMeaningHere · 2019-07-06T06:13:17+00:00

Couldn't tell ya lol. I do check myself out in mirrors though. Flex my muscles and stuff, and I feel like I look alright looking sometimes, but apparently not to girls :P

I definitely feel good about achieving my workout goals independent of women. I don't take nudes with no intention of sharing them.

Seroriman · 2019-07-06T06:17:38+00:00

I'm somewhat vain, so I do check myself in mirrors once per day or so - although it's mostly not about my clothes (unless I'm dressing up for the occasion or they're actively terrible through some mistake), but rather my training progress, body fat cut etc.

Sounds dumb, but I want to look good with our without clothes. There's been some improvement in reactions, too, but it's not like the flood gates opened...still nice. Also, and that's the other half - I like the feeling of speed and raw physical power. It's nice to have a body that can perform to a really high standard, so that's the difference. No selfies or nudes though, that's both taste- and pointless.

Paranatural · 2019-07-06T18:07:34+00:00

I've never once felt sexy in my entire life. I don't even know how I'd go about doing such a thing.

JudgeJebb · 2019-07-06T06:12:16+00:00

Buffalo Bill would like to say a few words.

Melthengylf · 2019-07-07T22:34:55+00:00

This what I never understood. What it means to "feel sexy". I mean, I do not want to fuck myself, I want women to notice. I'm not even gay, how am I supposed to find my body beautiful? I don't want to fuck myself, I want to be fucked by others.

Besides, I feel a sexual being when I flirt. That's what expressing my sexuality meand to me. You have sexual feelings, and you express them. You express them by flirting.

Sometimes I flirt not to try to date a woman, not for them to even respond, but because flirting makes me feel sexy. Unfortunately, you need to pay lots of attention to not end up harassing someone, so I almost never flirt. Ergo, I almost never feel sexy.

I've never sincerely understood what "feeling sexy" means to women.

I do desire to be a sexual object, having women checking me out physically is marvelous to me. But like, they are the ones checking me out. And that happens around once or twice a year, so I appreciate those moments.

NiceGuyNumber4 · 2019-07-06T05:50:30+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

Yes. Usually to make sure I didn't spill on myself or something.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

Does not wearing clothes at home count?

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

Yes. I don't expect women to know anything about fitness beyond a 6 pack and broad shoulders.

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

Not often. I'll take progress pics every month or so.

CaptDeadlift · 2019-07-06T09:38:22+00:00

1.I do because , mostly to pop the occasional pimple or to see if my hair and beard needs trimming.

2.No , I prioritize comfort over style (except when going out I'll go for a fitting look) and you will see me often walking around flip flops , shorts and tank tops because it's hot outside and it takes 0 effort to dress like that.

3.I am a professional lifter , I usually hate it when women are around me as they throw me out of my zone. I do love it when my SO runs her hands down all over me or smiles whenever she sees me naked but couldn't give a dime about other women checking me out.

4.I do but not with sexual intent as in I take nudes mostly of my stomach and back to roughly calculate my body % percentage.

Once you know you can get ass it stops being important that's why you'll see the guys talking constantly about pussy being the most unsuccessful as well.

It's not that I don't enjoy attention it's just that I don't need any external validation be it from men or women(I usually hate it when people ask me my routines and might answer these questions more elaborately on my IG).

My SO gives me plenty of attention to keep my tank empty and make me feel good.

Women love attention and my SO is no different. We make fun of her orbiters often and whenever I give her compliments or decide to take her out to a nice dinner she will become extra lovey dovey with me.

Hope my answers gave you some insight.

-Mavs · 2019-07-06T12:45:09+00:00

Might be in the minority here but:

I do check myself out in the mirror to see how my physique is doing, I think that's important.

The shirts and heck, even the pants (they're not skinny but I got thick legs and butt) I wear are flattering to my gains. And no, I don't go size small to get my physique to show.

And yeah, I don't care if women are watching me. I've even tried scheduling my gym time outside of times where certain couples show up just because I suspect the girlfriend is checking me out and I really don't want there to be awkward attention (girl checking me out and guy mad dogging me for it).

I've taken shirtless selfies, sure and may or may not have taken pictures of my dick.

After all this, I would say I have a hint of narcissism but I think women subconsciously like that on a(n attractive) guy.

Gravel_Roads · 2019-07-06T15:07:02+00:00

Fuk yea, I love checking myself out in the mirror. I work hard on my body and like being able to see it. I wear clothes that flatter my physique.

rathyAro · 2019-07-06T15:42:09+00:00

I have the reverse question for women. What is so great about looking a certain way without getting anything out of it. I almost never see myself so I can't even admire myself visually. Seems pointless outside of the context of other people seeing me.

In my case looking good actually makes me feel bad, because I don't value appearance over useful qualities, but I mostly get compliments on appearance so that just reminds me that I'm mostly valued for something that doesn't matter.

spletharg · 2019-07-29T09:15:22+00:00

Just curious, what does the OP consider to be typical "things that make you feel sexy" for guys?

dotPRG · 2019-07-06T05:51:40+00:00

Mirrors? Yes.

Feeling sexy? Never. Well, there's been a couple of times in my life when I got a compliment, but in general I never think about dressing to feel sexy as that would be the same as lying to myself.

Workout, yes. My goals are my own, and having people notice is great. Still, I don't want them to tell me, because I don't know how to reply to that, making it awkward.

No pictures. I don't want to see myself in pictures and certainly not nude.

I'm not a bad looking guy (as I've heard) and have never had a lack of girlfriends, so no huge personality flaws. Have been in a great relationship over 10 years. Partner tells me I'm sexy at times, but I don't really believe her deep inside.

MMDT · 2019-07-06T10:36:46+00:00

The point is when you check yourself in the mirror you're checking to see that the way you look confirms to the desires of society dictated by biology/ culture

Women arent capable of thinking on a meta level which is why this statement continues to confuse them. Women are able to think, but they arent able to think why they think things

Not to mention that women have the biggest herd mentality going, they dont know how to feel about anything until they see how the herd views it

escapethesolarsystem · 2019-07-06T11:49:26+00:00

As a man, I think men generally do care about looking good, it's just at a much lower level than women. If go out and buy a new matching shirt and shorts (it's summer) that look kind of swanky and nice, I like it, and I feel good about wearing it. I'm losing weight and I like how I look better in the mirror when I check in the morning. I know women find it more attractive and I feel more confident generally, as I know everyone will perceive me more positively.

All that being said, I just don't spend as much time on that as my girlfriend or my female roommate. They spend several hours a day on all kinds of procedures, makeup, going through multiple combinations of clothes, etc to look good. I spend 30 min - 1 hr per day max, if you include beard grooming, brushing out my hair, and picking out something that looks good together.

So it's not that men don't care about it at all, it just lower on the list of priorities and they don't spend as much time on it generally. Like women and sex - men like sex far more than women - it doesn't mean women don't like it at all, it's just lower on their priority list and they spend less time thinking about it or trying to get it.

I like to think men and women are basically just reconfigured versions of the same animal. If you make a list of all the cares and concerns between men and women, the list for both genders would include the exact same things. However, if you had to prioritize that list in order of what each gender cares about the most to least, what's at the top of the list and what's at the bottom will end up being completely different. For women, "looking / feeling sexy" and looking good in general is probably #1 or #2 on the list. For men, it's there, but it's like #6 or something.

wtknight · 2019-07-06T12:46:50+00:00

When I was single I did. Now that I'm married I don't care so much, although I would start caring more if I sensed that my wife was becoming less attracted to me.

bonslytoss · 2019-07-06T12:56:27+00:00

There was only one of your questions that I answer "yes" to.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independently of whether women are likely to notice the difference?

I also think the only reason I answer yes to this question is that my workout goals don't include sculpting an ideal body. I workout first and foremost for the mental health benefits. To me, appreciating someone only for their appearance is shallow and appreciating myself for more than a fleeting moment is narcissism.

I think men and women appreciate completely different things about themselves. Women put a lot of effort into their appearance and are more likely to feel good about looking good. Men don't generally put effort into their appearance, so unless it's one of those rare times when we did work for it, we don't much care or ascribe any of our value to it.

webernicke · 2019-07-06T15:57:11+00:00

No to all questions.

CainPrice · 2019-07-06T16:03:34+00:00

There are two things happening that work together with one another:

When you look good, women want to have sex with you. In fact, everybody treats you better, even other men. You're more likely to get hired from a job interview or promoted at work, clients are more likely to patronize your business, random strangers and service providers are more likely to be polite.
When you know look good, you feel confident and act like you know you look good. This is attractive behavior independent of whether you actually look good, but is pretty impossible to fake if you're ugly and instead of being treated well, the opposite of #1 happens and everybody treats you like shit. However, acting like you know you look good and behaving like a confident good-looking person behaves is important - if you're hot but act like a loser, people will still treat you like a loser.

Nobody takes sexy pictures of themselves with no intention of sharing them. Not even women. Even women who snap a nude/sexy selfie without meaning to send that particular picture to a specific man right this minute are still snapping sexy pics to see how they look and evaluate their possibilities and options for sending actual sexy pictures to guys in the future.

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T16:31:45+00:00

Normal men are not sexy. The most most men ever hear is that when she gets old enough she’ll settle for you to be useful so long as you are useful.

qwertyuiop111222 · 2019-07-06T17:38:25+00:00

Don't care about how I look, as much as I care about efficiency and achieving results. However, in some social contexts, how you look has a massive effect on the results you achieve. There, I ensure I'm dressed to my best.
It is remarkably freeing to not care about validation from others. Now I realize that some people care far more about validation from others, but my inner circle men care very little about social validation. It's a carefully selected group though, and a tiny one at that.
I lift because I like how competent it makes me feel. No fucks are given about how I look. I loathe and despise men who are busy taking photos and videos of themselves lifting or running or WTF they are doing.
It'll be a cold day in hell before I take a selfie. Didn't do that as a kid, why would I do that as an adult?

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T18:24:20+00:00

I do check myself in the mirror often

If im not going out then I wear nothing

I workout for the fun of it my goals are more for my health rather than impressing women

I don't take nude selfies. I don't see the need to do so.

jax006 · 2019-07-06T18:31:32+00:00

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

Lmao if I am 100% sure that I'm not leaving the house for the day, I am basically in my underwear all day, I cannot relate at all to the thought of dressing nicely or even doing my hair nicely for that matter if I don't have any intention of going in public.

bluehorserunning · 2019-07-06T18:43:43+00:00

FWIW, not even all women do that. I've never understood the impulse.

My pet theory is that women who do so, and men who do so, are a little bit gay; I think that you have to be so to think of oneself as 'sexy,' (which would explain why, evolutionarily, gayness persists). I can see women as 'beautiful' only in the same sense that I see a pretty horse or a flower as beautiful. I don't see women, or myself, as sexy, and it probably hurts because it makes it harder for me to dress or act in a way that men would find sexy.

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T18:52:59+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

As some form of diagnostic, like when I feel I got something in my eye for example

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

No, I aim for more utilitarian and/or minimalistic clothing most of the time

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

I don't work out much to slip under their radar. Stealth wealth helps as well

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

I'm not narcissistic enough to do so

Japaliicious · 2019-07-07T00:25:49+00:00

Selfies/nudes, nop. Also I don't want to feel sexy when going out, I like to stay comfortable with myself.

But I enjoy being good looking. A lot of irl wannabe alphas or red gives me the impression that they wanna be so 'stoic' and 'be a man' that everything is just another thing. Mission, woman, friends, beta friends, whatever. You can be stoic and genuine without all that bullshit, no wonder a whole lot can't actually connect with people.

[deleted] · 2019-07-07T00:26:13+00:00

I'm not aiming for any relationships so I'm not going to do anything extra to look sexy or checking myself out in a mirror, work out goals are great and I don't care if any girls notice me. I barely use my camera taking normal photos let alone taking selfies or nudes.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2019-07-07T14:52:19+00:00

I do enjoy being sexy for the sake of being sexy

robertfrostt · 2019-07-07T23:57:46+00:00

These are all female behaviors.

Men don't feel sexy in the same way women do. Men can feel powerful or confident in response to their actions succeeding in certain activities.

[deleted] · 2019-07-08T18:42:37+00:00

If no one thinks I’m sexy, then I’m not sexy. You can tell yourself all day that you like the way you look, that you’re attractive, that you’re sexy, but if women don’t think that too, then you’re just delusional. Like anything else, you need the outside validation to know where you stand.

Forever_Pandering · 2019-07-12T03:08:30+00:00

No, no, yes but only for the health benefits, and no.

[deleted] · 2019-07-26T22:59:10+00:00

Women don't care as much about men's bodies. Men know that, they know they can't be as sexy as a woman, so of course they won't feel very sexy. If a man tried to show off his body, people would just think he was gay or funny/gross/vain/insecure.

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MisterJose · 2019-07-06T06:25:47+00:00

I wouldn't call it 'being sexy', as much as 'being awesome'.

Like, I'm cruising down the highway, arm out the window, got my music on, new clothes, feeling good about myself, and I'm thinking, "Yeah, I'm awesome." Sure, I definitely enjoy feeling that way.

I wouldn't think of myself as sexy in the way I think of women as sexy. When I see a sexy woman, there's a primal predator chase thing about it. I'm not really interested in being seen that way by other people; I don't want people looking at me like they want to eat me up. I think many women don't entirely understand the effect their 'looking sexy' has on those inclined to sexually desire them, or they would do it less and/or differently.

Sepean · 2019-07-06T13:35:31+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

Often.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

I don’t think about it like that, but I have no comfort clothing so I guess.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

Of course.

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

Only for tracking progress on cuts.

wekacuck · 2019-07-06T05:45:22+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

No. But strangely I've been wondering if I should start doing that.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

No. Honestly I have no idea what wearing clothes that make me feel "sexy" would even mean.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

Yes. I don't even think about women ever when working out.

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

All I can think about this question is "Why on Earth would I do that?"

HostileErectile · 2019-07-06T10:14:53+00:00

Of course I do. But if I do for myself and i feel sexy go out and don’t feel there is a reaction. Then yeah I get a little disappointed. Just like I know women do.

We are both hypocrites. Women do it for themself sometimes aswell. But trust me if they don’t feel like men or anyone else find them sexy then they will stop thinking it of themself aswell!

kurwajebanamac · 2019-07-06T12:40:26+00:00

There is always the crowd factor. You cannot eliminate it. If there was no other human being in the earth and I did not have any mirrors around me, then I would not even dress. But since, people are judged by how they dress and how they look, it is something that needs to be taken into consideration. Personally, I don't care whether my breast is shown or not(sm male BTW). I never pay attention whether the jeans or shorts I wear make my butt look good. I do try to make my hair look decent, but it is only for the masses. What I personally pay attention at is the general look. My conscious years I spent starting from the early 00's, so I want to have a certain look, the one skaters back then had. That it is! I want to look like that and whenever I check myself in the mirror or any shop windows, I want me look like that. That is what I do for my own sake. I never wear parfume, I don't trimm my eyes brows(not that I need to), I don't have the latest "Chad" hairstyle, and I don't consume protein shakes so that my body looks more masculine for the sake of looking sexy to women. What I am being complimented for is for the width of my shoulders and my massive calves. But that isnt something that I achieved. Pure genes. Women, on the other side, have a lot of parts of their body that can attract people and a woman cannot just put something on and say "I don't care". Every woman is a object of attraction. Thus, every woman should take into account what she wear and what impression that gives and how sexy that looks. Saying that you dress for yourself isn't making you dress less sexy. Dressing for yourself to look good means you dress to look sexy, but sexy for whom? For your mom or the women that are jealous of you? Of course not. If there were no men to stare at you, I bet 100€ that you would never dress sexy or something because no one would care. P. S. "you" is not addressed to you, OP, it is just an expression of my non native English ☺️

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T14:14:21+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

Yes, I work out so I do look in the mirror so I can see my gains and see the fruits of my labour. Its good to see results from my gym sessions.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

No not really. Clothes don't make me "feel sexy" whatever that even means. Sure I still iron clothes and dress neatly, but I'm not a slob. If I am going out in public, especially if I have the intention of doing daygame or nightgame, I will take extra effort in making sure my clothes fit properly and are colour matched, but its not to do with me "feeling sexy", its to do with it being effective.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

Yeah I like seeing the fruits of my labour. Ive been back to the gym now for two months solid. My chest is more visible and I have started to get the V-Shape going. I love feeling great, I love knowing that I am in better shape than the average that is men my age and I love the feeling of the pump. However Im not gonna lie, women looking at me more than they used to and noticing me is still a great benefit of the gym.

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

No, I can't say I do. Why would I. I dont take selfies at all tbh.

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T14:47:33+00:00

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

Had body dysmorphia as a kid, avoided mirrors like the plague. Still do unless its absolutely necessary.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

Pff. No.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

Sort of, Im turning the corner on this a little bit. Thing is though, if you're not physically attractive you might as well be invisible, so its like saying 'do you enjoy being recognized as a person in public?'

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

Ow, oof, my sides.

Im curious about what your takeaway is in all of this though, OP.

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T15:22:54+00:00

Do you not enjoy being sexy for it's own sake?

No. It is a tool to get sex, not something I enjoy for its sake. It is like squeezing a orange to get the juice... tedious.

Do you check yourself out in mirrors often?

For social interaction's sake. I would love that people cared more about my arguments and knowledge than my appearance, but we all know it is not gonna happen.

Do you wear things that make you feel sexy on days where you're not actually going to go out in public?

No.

Do you feel good about achieving your workout goals independantly of wether women are likely to notice the difference?

No. The best I have is that I got to a goal. That is it. Without women's sexual interest workout is pretty much a waste of resources.

Do you take selfies or nudes of yourself with no intention of sharing them?

No.

_derekhawkins · 2019-07-06T15:57:15+00:00

Lmfao why the fuck would I take a picture of my dick and NOT send it to a girl

[deleted] · 2019-07-06T16:49:38+00:00

Being that into your own body would be gay. Think about it youre literally appreciating and checking out the male form. Gym culture and lifting = homoeroticism there is no way around it. This is also why the manly masculine jacked cultures of the past (think of the 300 spartans and their rippling, well oiled abs) were all about that butt sex.

The key is to be just gay enough that you quietly go to the gym, squeeze out reps and go home, headphones firmly plugged in all the while to avoid socializing... but not so gay that you end up loudly socializing at the gym, hugging your gym bros, rubbing each others muscles to stay limber, and giving bro jobs in the hot tub.

pnadlerlaw · 2019-07-06T19:14:25+00:00

No. Not any more than I enjoy making money for the sake of being in a high tax bracket. Not any more than I enjoy getting good grades for the sake of graduating with Latin honors.

Look, there are two things going on.

When I’m able to perform well physically in the gym, and there is nobody else around, I feel good about myself ... ... ... BECAUSE ... “compared to other men,” I feel better about where I rank on the bell curve or totem pole of strength.

Why does that matter? Am I a professional athlete? No. Am I looking to get girls? No, I’m married. But, that how our brains are. Why do we care about where we rank compared to other people of the same sex? BECAUSE IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE SURVIVAL OF YOUR GENETICS 🧬 (and in the case of women, for tens of thousands of years, it directly affected their quality of life).

So, let’s fucking cut the bullshit.

Before I walk out the door, I want my hair, beard, skin and teeth looking good. I want my clothes looking good. I want to smell good. I want to look good. Why? Because beauty is power. I want to feel completely comfortable and confident interacting with women. I want to feel like I’m being sympathetic and courteous when I’m interacting with men. This is something I do for myself ... because it’s part of my biological core drives motivating me to maximize the amount of female attention I get and demoralize men and effectively compete against other guys hardcore competing.

... and I’m a guy.

For women, PLEASE STOP 🛑 THE BULLSHIT. If you’re unaware of WHY you do the things you do, fine, that’s one thing. But to double down and bury yourself in this mountain of rationalizations and bullshit excuses of, “Oh, I just do it for myself or for the sake of looking good.” No, you don’t.

Women literally fuck fat ugly dudes for a $20,000 Hermès purse 👜. Why? So they can strut around and show it off to other women. Why? So other women can be like, “What the fuck did she do to get that? She either is self made. Or she’s obviously better than me as a woman. If we’re all being honest, we all want that Hermès purse. But we can’t all have it. Why can she have it? Between me and her, I have to admit that she’s a more valuable woman than I am.”

That’s why women compete to host parties. The hierarchy of parties:

Christmas Eve
New Year’s Eve
Fourth of July
Halloween 👻 🎃 parties
Ad hoc parties and parties for children.

It’s the ultimate “flex” for women. A non-verbal way of women communicating to other women, “Know your place.” It’s highly political. She who controls Christmas Eve controls the power and influence of her social circle. The power to make introductions, to improve relations (for business between men), and the power to exclude people from the social circle. After all, the event is had in her home court. This is political power at its core.

Dressing is extremely different. You can clearly observe when a woman is consciously, subconsciously or unconsciously still dressing for men (16-30), or dressing to convey social status to other women (25-50) ... or dressing to “concede” social status (40-55) or “avoid conflict” over perceived challenges of social rank with other women (60+).

There is a reason most 60 year old women don’t wear skin tight leggings, yoga pants, tight jeans, low cut or skin tight shorts, bright thongs, high heels, short skirts, shaved legs, Brazilian wax, etc.

Look how single women dress, how women with a boyfriend dress, how married women dress, and how mothers dress. On average in the aggregate, not anecdotal (“I’m 19 years old and a mom, and 22 year old single bitches ain’t got nothing on me when I outdrink them all in the club every weekend”).

Women ages 16-24 dress for male attention. Period. They have no choice BUT to dress for male attention. It’s a race to the bottom. If they don’t, and they want to find a man, their competitors will simply grab up all the quality men before she even has a chance to say hello 👋. You can’t fight the biological imperative. So, rather than spending all this energy denying it (to hopefully yourself, because men know you’re full of shit) you can accept it and cope with it in a healthy way.

If you’re in school, you’re looking to get the best grades you can in order to get into the best college you can get into. Same thing with dressing and ornamentation. And men reward women who are good at it with male attention. The end.

But for women, it’s not the end. They don’t want “all” male attention. They want “only” the male attention they want to receive. Kind of like an Apple or Abercrombie store limiting the people in their store to only those people who have enough money to buy Apple products, or hot enough to wear their clothes. If only. They don’t want to advertise that they’re seeking male attention, because then all the broke and ugly customers will start trying to get into her store and waste their time talking about merchandise they’re too broke to afford or too ugly to wear.

Life is much “simpler,” when we sell this (“they hate us because of our freedom”) narrative of, “Oh, I don’t do it for men. I dress up for myself.” That way, broke ugly men can be like, “She’s not dressing up for men, she’s just dressing up for herself. Respect women! Hey, ladies, did you see that? I stood up for you. I said respect women! Come on, that’s at least worth a handjob, no?” But simultaneously, financially secure and good looking guys are still noticing them for how they dress. They are still allowed to advertise themselves and benefit from their choice in fashion, without the guilt, shame, or so much of the unwanted male attention because of those same choices.

The end.

Title	Q4M: Do you not enjoy being sexy for it's own sake?
Author	Female_urinary_maze
Upvotes	20
Comments	88
Date	July 6, 2019 5:32 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/c9pzsh/q4m_do_you_not_enjoy_being_sexy_for_its_own_sake/
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