CMV: Only a tiny elite of men are able to spin HIGH-QUALITY plates. To say otherwise is a TRP fantasy.

Littleknownfacts · 2017-11-22T15:24:21+00:00

No, high quality men are not spinning plates. They are finding high quality women and peacing out of the game early. Marriages rates among the UC/UMC, celebrities, and successful entrepreneurs back this up. The men that could in theory spin high quality plates don't, because they are able to find their "unicorn" out of the high quality women that surround them and lock it down fast. There is no reason to keep dating when you've found your match. Though in reality, I'll admit, the wifey in this scenario may just end up being bottom bitch. Which for a woman isn't the worst place to be as long as your getting the "heirs" benefits.

Of the remaining men, the girls they spin are 2+ points lower SMV than the girls they can date. That's just how how the market works. So even on a relative comparison - no "high quality women" will not likely be plated for very long.

Edit: When your a 3, the girl that's a 6 seems high quality when she's being plated by an 8.

Willow-girl · 2017-11-22T19:51:17+00:00

That's not really how spinning plates work. In my day we called them"fuck buddies". Usually cool chicks that you enjoy spending time with, but for some reason you know there is no future there.

When you find one who's high quality then you stop spinning

Electra_Cute · 2017-11-22T15:18:15+00:00

In the case of criticism Red Pill users will use the argument “it is only a description” or “that is not what the Red Pill is about”, so this can not be a “TRP fantasy” because it is a negative. The Red Pill’s meaning has been irrideemeable corrupt by Black Pill thinking and ignorance leading to obsfucitation. It is ultimately futile to claim anything about The Red Pill itself for the context of an argument, so there goes that part.

The second part of your post is correct and more of a “water is wet”, nothing too interesting, nothing to challenge there.

LewisCross · 2017-11-22T16:33:59+00:00

I never understood this obnoxious circlejerk over muh ultra high SMVees anyway. I just need a cute girl I find interesting. The TRP fantasy of banging models that cook and clean and worhship their cock is retarded from the get go, not just for pragmatic reasons.

Butt-Factory · 2017-11-22T18:50:22+00:00

The question we should be asking is why so many average or below average men feel entitled to their choice of attractive women, or feel like they're getting the short stick by not getting what higher quality men get.

If you're an average guy who believes that average amounts of sex with average women isn't good enough for you, you're going to be a perpetually frustrated victim.

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-11-22T15:12:09+00:00

Medium quality is fine for me. Give me your skinny butterfaces

Eastuss · 2017-11-22T15:31:33+00:00

(And why is commitment-free sex such an important way to get to know someone? What makes it so special? Also, aren't there entirely non-sexual ways to get to know someone?)

Because you value your sexual non-exclusivity, you only want to compromise it to someone who is worth it. But sadly, women think your exclusivity is a given and is automatic as soon as they merely give sex to you.

There's no fantasy, it's what we want, we're polysexual. It's like if I was to say that women who want men's commitment and exclusivity are into a fantasy where they're so hot that the man is willing to fuck only her until his last breath. This is just giving too much conscious consideration to incentives and human nature.

But since lot of men are commitment and exclusivity whores, and since men are less valuable than women, we end up using our commitment and exclusivity as our primary money to get monogamous sex. Women aren't willing to compromise, they want their ideal model and only that, which is serial monogamy.

High quality men can have average quality plates. High quality women won't accept such deal, or won't accept it for long.

Merger-Arbitrage · 2017-11-22T15:21:46+00:00

Attractiveness = looks, smarts/status and personality/character.

You're correct, if elite means extremely high status in this case.

Of all men that can actually pull off having multiple short-term / no-strings-attached relationships, it's going to be men with overwhelming status. Being about average on status and extremely high on looks won't even get you that.

Shit-job "Chads" are out.

Extremely influential figures and 1% income guys (probably higher than that, actually) are in.

Too easy to be born a Chad (top 10%? 5%?). The things extreme money and influence can get a woman are far more interesting to many a gold digger and other parasites.

tiposk · 2017-11-22T17:58:49+00:00

The main point of confusion is over these girls being exclusive to him while he is not exclusive to them. I have never really see this in real life unless somebody was being lied to, or it was a marriage still together for financial or practical reasons.

But I dont even think these guys think the girls are exclusive with them. I think they chose to think of it that way because they hate the idea of fucking a chick hours after another guy could be doing it. In that respect it is a fantasy

xKalisto · 2017-11-22T18:43:53+00:00

Your life must be pretty fucking amazing if your biggest complaint is not being able to have casual sex with multiple high quality, attractive women.

Why the fuck would anyone feel entitled to that kind of lifestyle?

Millions of children in the US, the richest country in the world, experience food insecurity every day and don't eat 3 squares a day, and I'm supposed to give a flying fuck about a dude who isn't able to get his dick wet with as many women as he wants? Give me a fucking break. Literally who cares?

fetchyminx · 2017-11-22T19:06:59+00:00

Implying women who are plates to guys are considered “high quality” kek

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WavesAcross · 2017-11-22T18:15:21+00:00

Only a tiny elite of men are able to spin HIGH-QUALITY plates. To say otherwise is a TRP fantasy.

Does TRP say otherwise? I think if you want to people to "CYV" you first need to justify your claim that that otherwise is a fantasy TRP holds.

My understanding of the "eunuchs of red pill post" is that it just says until you live a very high status sexual lifestyle you will never understand the true nature of women. Forgetting for a second whether that is true or false, it doesn't seem to be making much a statement on whether this attainable for most men.

I think that TRP would agree with you that only a tiny elite of men are able to spin high-quality plates, and that if there is any disagreements its on the meaning of "high quality" and "elite", and thus an issue of communication.

InformalCriticism · 2017-11-22T19:39:38+00:00

I think the flaw in your view is that there's this wide spectrum of quality within women. In keeping with the loose sense that AWALT, anyone employing TRP tools is going to merit the type of behavior he wants. A girl starts calling you boyfriend? Well, tell her that you don't refer to her as your boyfriend to people. You just draw your boundaries, and your SMV does the rest. She's going to respect your honesty and see where the relationship goes from there. You can do this to any woman, as long as she recognizes your value.

Some of those comments say high quality women can't/won't be plated. I think this is kind of narrow, because it's derived from an old notion that men had a long time ago, that you should marry before making the relationship sexual, but the whole debate kind of runs out of steam when you consider primates are evolved to be a male-competitive selection species, not female selective mating one. It's clear to us even in this forum based on what people generalize as a chad, and what we consider a stacy.

So, calling a woman "high quality" is just putting them on a pedestal, and unreasonable, because there's such a wide range of what men consider beautiful.

If you're attracted to a woman, and she's the most beautiful woman you've ever met, and she recognizes your value, she's still only female, and you will treat her as such. It's unusual to think that being rejected automatically makes her "high quality".

blackedoutfast · 2017-11-22T20:27:18+00:00

only if you consider 10-20% of men to be a "tiny elite"

stop listening to all these bored middle age housewives. it just sounds like a fantasy to them because they are so far removed from sexual marketplace that most redpillers and high SMV men are participating in.

it's extremely common for a high SMV woman to casually fuck around with a high SMV guy who is also casually fucking around with other women for several months before it turns into an "official" relationship (if it ever does). the guy doesn't talk about it and if the woman isn't also fucking multiple guys while she waits on Chad to commit, she just pretends that she is his only one. plausible deniability and all that.

everyone in the high SMV dating/social/sex circles knows how it works. these boring middle aged blooper women aren't in those circles but they like to LARP like they are somehow involved. they're not. it's like listening to your country grandma give dating advice. it's so naively out of touch that its ridiculous

[deleted] · 2017-11-23T03:12:21+00:00

I think a lot of times women have sex is to make someone else jealous, most women don't want to fuck different guys at the same time, but most men want to fuck different girls. So I think a situation where a girl is exclusive to the guy but not the other way around is natural and it only gets messy when each party starts doing things to hurt the other person

PM_BOOBS_FOR_PUPPIES · 2017-11-23T14:44:08+00:00

I agree with this statement, but would like to add that as a 50 year old man it's not that hard to be part of the "tiny elite".

Don't be fat
Don't act like you have aspergers.
Don't be poor
Don't be short
Don't dress like a hobo

That's it.

[deleted] · 2017-11-28T15:47:34+00:00

When you reach a certain status you'll find the most difficult part of "plate spinning" isn't access to the women - it's their pursuit of a relationship. Yes there are very attractive and independent women who want no strings attached. But most, especially as you get older, want to lock a man they are seeing down

[deleted] · 2017-11-22T18:20:27+00:00

High quality men are doing what they want. I agree with u/littleknownfacts in that some (not all, but some) are finding the very, very, VERY few "high quality" women (i.e. good looking women who are marriage minded, not promiscuous and have domestic skills) and marrying them. SOme of those men have sidepieces.

Most high quality men (good looking, fit, high status, wealthy men who are good at their jobs and put up with zero bullshit from people) spin plates for at least a while.

I think "high quality" women in the context u/vandaalen is using it means "sexually attractive women who put out early, who are not landwhales and not totally insufferable bitches". Because those are the women willing to be plates. "High quality women" in this context focuses on SMV, not RMV, though most men will "relationship" up a woman of sufficient attractiveness and character. Stupidly, most will marry them too, despite RP warnings to the contrary.

The C to your V is that you're buying into women's view of "high quality" woman, which is the source of most of the quoted comments.

most of the women you're quoting view "high quality woman" as "extremely physically attractive woman who bathes in male tears while baking a 3-layer cake, breastfeeding her kid, writing a blog entry, cooking a 7 course meal for her millionaire husband and supervising the maid in her 6500 square foot house in BelAir". In other words, what they all fantasize themselves to be. And it's just not true - most TRP men will never bang models who worship their cocks, and don't ever expect to. They'd just like to be able to have sex with 2 or 3 women who are sexually attractive to them with a minimum of commitment.

The real "fantasy" here is Blues' constant strawmanning of TRP as telling men they'll all be banging supermodels who bake cookies for them and have swing from the chandelier sex without any modicum of commitment at all.

HellhoundsOnMyTrail · 2017-11-22T15:51:11+00:00

I don't know dude. I'm underachieving, 5'8", slightly overweight, and was dating 2-3 girls a week for several months last time I was single and "spinning plates."

6 months to "see beyond her mask" and "vet her as a potential wife" is ridiculous.

I don't think this is how Rollo Tomassi defines spinning plates or the reason why. Rather it's to maximize your options and capitalize on your SMV. And you don't have to sleeping with all of them.

Title	CMV: Only a tiny elite of men are able to spin HIGH-QUALITY plates. To say otherwise is a TRP fantasy.
Author	HopefulAboutADHD
Upvotes	32
Comments	245
Date	November 22, 2017 3:05 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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