Q4BP/feminists: Why don't feminists push to have more women in "dirty" jobs like plumbing, construction, sewer maintenance, coal mining, garbage pickup, etc?

questioningwoman · 2017-03-13T00:11:48+00:00

I think there should be more of a push for women in those careers. I wouldn't mind because I see pay as more important to me than prestige. The more I can buy myself the better. I'd rather have a "low status" job making 100k than a "high status job" making 50k.

Keep in mind the "low status" female jobs pay less than the "low status" male jobs. Jobs like caretaking for the elderly or babies or children. Being maids or cleaners, working in customer service. Fast food is both genders....

AnUndecidedPill · 2017-03-13T12:34:23+00:00

It's there ANYONE who pushes ANYONE into these jobs?

"Son, stay in school so you can make sure you get that sewer maintenance job!"

Seriously. Anyone?

wtknight · 2017-03-13T00:20:25+00:00

There was an episode of Parks and Recreation where Leslie Knope pushed for women to be able to pick up the garbage in Pawnee.

AnUndecidedPill · 2017-03-12T23:24:29+00:00

Men don't even want these jobs? How often do you hear people encouraging others to go into trades. We've shifted as a society to look down on any kind of job that doesn't require a degree.

goatismycopilot · 2017-03-13T01:52:12+00:00

Well, I think there are pretty limited job opportunities for example in coal mining and I don't see men exactly clamoring to do that either likely because it is a very hazardous and unpleasant job.

It would be great to have an example of feminists saying the things you say they are saying in order to have a better more nuanced discussion instead of yet another rant about "the feminists" and "stuff feminists say" that are largely the opinion of the OP about what they think feminists are saying and doing.

DrunkGirl69 · 2017-03-13T03:22:47+00:00

I do. And so does Leslie Knope. Don't you watch Parks & Recreation? You should watch Parks & Recreation.

AnUndecidedPill · 2017-03-13T01:28:20+00:00

Which feminists are these again?

I think more women should be plumbers and construction workers just as I think more men should be nurses and teaching assistants. But am I supposed to pretend that a lucrative career isn't more desirable in our heavily-competitive capitalist industry? This rant is ill-thought out, begins with a ridiculous premise, and worst of all you answer your own damn question. The point of asking a fucking question is that you have some vested interest in what someone else might say, something you obviously don't have.

questioningwoman · 2017-03-13T06:14:52+00:00

Prostitution is a dangerous job and has a lot of workplace deaths and safety hazards but somehow that isn't counted. Prostitutes often get killed on the job, get STDs and even HIV, get pregnant, get abused, raped because of the lack of regulations... Why isn't this counted as a dangerous job for women?

[deleted] · 2017-03-13T13:15:53+00:00

Feminists do push for those things. You're just not aware of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3am8ri/if_the_wage_gap_is_real_then_why_doesnt_everyone/csdxnzr/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/3bjr41/why_hasnt_mainstream_feminism_advocated_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/47ryac/how_would_you_respond_to_the_argument_presented/

Perhaps you should read better sources about feminism?

Aside from that, Caregiving is dirty.

Dealing with excretions and bodily fluids is as dirty as you get.

Normally women do that work.

And it's underpaid. Women do more than their fair share of low paid, low status, dirty jobs.

People that claim modern feminists are whiny spoiled brats don't know much about the state of things.

[deleted] · 2017-03-13T00:31:45+00:00

Because as a society we push people to get college degrees to get good jobs and that's considered "the norm". Society typically views trade jobs as lower class no matter how much they pay.

give_me_shinies · 2017-03-13T05:53:42+00:00

This is a dumb question.

Women have their own shit jobs: child care, nursing, aged care, waitressing, maids/cleaners, etc. In fact, most pink collar jobs are shit. Why would they want to enter shitty men's jobs too?

In the past, men n women both had their own shit jobs but the high status professions (law, medicine, etc) often excluded women. That isn't the case anymore imo, but that's where the modern feminist push to get women into "good jobs" comes from.

SpaceWhiskey · 2017-03-13T03:42:51+00:00

They do, but you're not going to hear about it on clickbaity feminist rage bait sites that anti-feminist guys look at for information.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2017-03-13T03:59:23+00:00

i feel like women that go into those jobs arent taken seriously and most people trust men to do those jobs more. women have a lil' more of an uphill battle in that sense.

this comment is pure speculation, i might as well point out ahaha

IHeartDay9 · 2017-03-13T06:30:27+00:00

Am I missing something, or is there not a huge push to get women in trades? Like, if I decided to go to trade school, there are women in trades programs with extra funding available to me. Tradeswomen can face discrimination from customers when interacting with the public (such as in repair work), so I imagine that must be offputting to some.

Also, not super relevant, but I think tradeswomen are really hot.

Julia_Nor22 · 2017-03-13T08:12:50+00:00

Because feminism is about freedom of choice, freedom to choose non traditional gender roles. Not imposing them or pushing them on women who don't want to do these jobs.

Daniel_Bryan_Fan · 2017-03-13T12:00:27+00:00

The irony of an RP calling anything a whiny spoiled brat is not lost on me lol. Feminism is about making sure you have options available to you. Being a SAHM is fine but women shouldn't only have that option just like women should have all the same opportunities as men in the board room or the boiler room when either is 95% a certain gender it's worth examining if someone's opportunities are being limited and if so why, if it's because women aren't applying then sure that's fine but if it's because of a bias then obviously that's not fine. Also I think you're forgetting one of the dirtiest jobs of all in being a nurse which is of course 99% women.

ElmtreeWoman · 2017-03-13T14:43:18+00:00

My Sister tried in vain to find a mechanic who would take her as an apprentice. She had the best graduation of all appliers. Men do not want women in the male dominated fields. But Sister will try again and again. She is determined. But I wonder how many women try to get such a job but no one offers? How many are actively persuaded to quit by their male workmates?

ElmtreeWoman · 2017-03-13T14:52:49+00:00

Most blue collar jobs are still associated with low status and even lower pay.

andrewisgood · 2017-03-13T17:12:54+00:00

I'll take this time to plug a website and plug the United Brotherhood of Carpenters, the union I'm apart of, and encourage any women reading this if they are interested in a trade to try them out.

http://www.ubcsisters.org

I see a lot of stickers with women about Sisters in the Brotherhood, and women are strongly encouraged to join. I even met this woman the other day who did carpentry in school and I was going on about joining the union.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-03-13T17:20:46+00:00

Yes they do. There is a program here to get more women into construction trades including laborers and teamsters.

Electra_Cute · 2017-03-12T23:19:14+00:00

Because those jobs are not good jobs.

There needs to be a "rant about feminism" flair at this point.

Edit: My apologies, when I said "not good jobs" I meant to "low status careers".

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Macheako · 2017-03-14T17:03:34+00:00

Come on man, why you playin games lol. Everybody knows DAMNNNNNNNNNNN good and well why these bitches don't want hard-ass-workin jobs like Carpentry, Plumbing, Electrician, etc lolol.

Don't even front! Bro, women fuckin play games man, that's just the way they are. Who gives a fuck what she say, you gotta be smart man and watch what she do. I bet you if some mining company came out today and said "We ain't hirin no bitches to dig coal!"...

the femnazis would probably have a parade in that company's honor lolol and throw out some like "Company Refuses To Let Woman Work In Sub-Human Conditions!", all these bitches (the crazy feminist types, not OG women) are just in it for themselves. That's it man. It's a fucking con game. Wake the fuck up and smell the roses.

And no, you ain't EVER gonna get a conman to fess up lol so don't bother tryin to get a confession out of em.

speed3_freak · 2017-03-13T01:43:48+00:00

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[deleted] · 2017-03-13T01:03:14+00:00

If you understood feminism, you wouldn't ask this question.

darla10 · 2017-03-13T21:48:52+00:00

I wish people in a coal mine town would travel to a third world country. They would come back to their coal mine town, count their good fortune, stop eating crap that makes them diabetic and obese, stop watching 10 hours of tv a day, take advantage of every single social program available, retrain their asses into another industry and drag themselves out of their coal town, or transform their coal town into a tech giant. We aren't living in Syria or Sudan people. There are opportunities in those coal towns that a Sudanese would kill for. Wake up.

Title	Q4BP/feminists: Why don't feminists push to have more women in "dirty" jobs like plumbing, construction, sewer maintenance, coal mining, garbage pickup, etc?
Author	AnUndecidedPill
Upvotes	51
Comments	230
Date	March 12, 2017 11:09 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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