Q4BP: How can you honestly deny that most women treat Beta men like shit?

coratoad · 2016-05-07T17:46:51+00:00

I've seen nice Betas approach women and try to strike up a conversation. Women laugh at them, make jokes about them, ignore them, tell them to fuck off, etc.

I am a beta. This doesn't happen to me when I approach women, even when I get rejected. Granted, I'm no Casanova, but women have never openly laughed at me and told me to fuck off. Maybe you just need a little work on your social skills.

[deleted] · 2016-05-07T17:59:11+00:00

Beta is not omega. You're referring to omega men.

[deleted] · 2016-05-07T17:41:49+00:00

I would fit the description of a beta male and have never seen this happen outside of a high school. Then again I don't go clubbing.

Lonny_zone · 2016-05-07T17:51:54+00:00

No.

Most men treat ugly women badly also.

[deleted] · 2016-05-07T18:43:13+00:00

In my experiences in bars and clubs, I have seen countless examples of women treating low-status men like shit. On numerous occasions, I've seen nice Betas approach women and try to strike up a conversation. Women laugh at them, make jokes about them, ignore them, tell them to fuck off, etc. Alphas, on the the other hand, are practically treated like gods by women.

I could say the same thing about how guys treat women. Where do you think the term "wingman" comes from? It's the guy who's going to take one for the team and fuck the hot chick's fat friend so your buddy can score with the hot chick.

You think it's fun being a fat chick at a bar and getting laughed at by douchebags? Watching your hot friends get all the attention and drinks bought for them while everyone ignores you... if they're not laughing at you?

This happens to ALL unattractive people when they are in a meat market setting. Gender is no protection.

kavihasya · 2016-05-07T23:25:02+00:00

First of all, you are extrapolating your experience at bars and clubs to all of human existence. There are plenty of people who find other ways to meet people.

Also, women use body language to let people know if they are open to communication. People who have to be told to fuck off aren't listening.

When I was in my 20s, I was about a 7. Pretty enough to be very attractive to a guy disposed to be interested, but not so hot as to stop traffic. I was working as a lifeguard and one totes hot guy with a washboard ab, and a sexy foreign accent started to hit on me and ask me out.

He insisted that we meet somewhere late at night. I said I would be happy to do coffee, or do some daytime activity like go for a walk out in public. He insisted and started getting bossy - saying that no, it had to be late at night somewhere private. I looked at him and realized that all his "sexiness" actually did nothing for me if he couldn't listen to me. I shrugged and moved on with my life.

Two years later, I met a more or less auspie guy who is usually a little bit overweight, but is literally a genius, listens and responds to me, pulls his weight in our relationship, is open to change when it makes sense, has dreams, a bomber work ethic and encourages me consistently to be my best self. I have financially supported us for four of the last six years, and have never been more attracted to him. We've been married for 7 years, together for 9.

TRP insists that women like me don't exist, that marriages like mine don't exist. All because they think that they know what all women want. They don't.

andrewisgood · 2016-05-07T17:44:51+00:00

Do you have proof of that? Most women treat beta men like shit. So, we need most women here, so you have to prove that.

Another issue is being red pill may cloud your judgement about women so your perception maybe different.

Let's take your example. Beta Bill approaches someone to try and strike up a conversation. How is he approaching? I've been the dweeb who tries to make awkward small talk and I would have made fun of myself with my awkwardness. It depends on how one approaches the situation. It's not that they're beta, it's potentially how they approached. Maybe it came across as unsettling, maybe it came across as creepy, maybe it came across as trying too hard, maybe they have a boyfriend, maybe a lot of things.

So that's why I can deny it. Lack of evidence outside of anecdotal evidence and your perception potentially being coloured poorly.

sublimemongrel · 2016-05-07T19:46:05+00:00

Because most of the BP women on this sub are with people that TRP would likely say are "beta." And we don't treat them like shit. And they get sex on the reg.

As to your bar and club experience, I can't really speak to that. I've certainly never behaved that way towards a man in any social setting (unless he really pushed me over the edge like persistently hitting me after I've politely said no or grabs my ass or something).

There's a whole range of behaviors and scenarios when we speak of how humans treat each other. Bars and night clubs (particularly the ones you're talking about, apparently) are not a great filter to judge how most women treat so called beta men.

That being said, those women were jerks. Perhaps choose some places with less assholes?

lbspredh · 2016-05-07T23:56:20+00:00

you shouldnt go to clubs and bars if you want to meet the polite friendly section of society

[deleted] · 2016-05-07T18:06:42+00:00

That's at a club scene when simply being approached is the implication that these guy want something from the women, want to sleep with them, etc. No one has to entertain strangers' sexual advances.

Most people treat each other civilly in other aspects of life. People don't tend to go around treating strangers like shit. Are you going to deny that most men, 'beta' or not are friends with women? That shows that they don't treat them like shit.

And I'm glad you had the red pill theory to teach you something most of us realize by the 2nd grade that attractive people get treated better.

BiggerDthanYou · 2016-05-07T18:10:09+00:00

Exactly. I even see women in nightclubs emptying their drink on the heads of beta males after the guy approaches them and asks them for a dance. On my day to day I don't see women being this public with how much distaste and hatred most women feel for most men, but I do see how indifferent they are to beta males. Invisibility also hurts. Most men are victims of emotional abuse because they are seen as having 0 value, this is why I believe it is not healthy for men who lack alpha looks to be near women if they can avoid it.

HigHog · 2016-05-07T18:55:09+00:00

Alphas are high-status, high-value men who sleep with a lot of women. Betas are low-status men who rarely sleep with women.

What status? What value? Are you talking about looks? Personality? Intelligence? Job position? Attitude?

Have you honestly never seen this happen?

No I haven't. I've seen women reject men politely and then become less polite when men persist or get aggressive, but I've never seen a woman's immediate reaction be cruelty. (I'm not denying it may happen, but I think it's far less common than you're making out.)

awrestorant1 · 2016-05-07T18:44:04+00:00

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Kircala · 2016-05-07T22:32:27+00:00

It does happen, but only if the women are jerks. Most women that show disinterest quickly forget about the male's interaction, like a moment of sharing a space with someone on a train and then you go on about your life. Everyone's living in their own world.

wazzup987 · 2016-05-08T01:15:34+00:00

Never had that problem perhaps Your approach is fucked?

[deleted] · 2016-05-08T02:24:49+00:00

Now, in a normal circumstance I will treat 'beta' men completely normally. I'll judge them based on their personality and if I like them I will befriend them.

However, if 'beta' men approach me with the intention of asking me out or flirting, then that's different. If I don't find them attractive, of course I will ignore them. I won't really make fun of them, though certain girls might.

Alphas, on the the other hand, are practically treated like gods by women.

We treat 'alphas' we are attracted to well, because we are attracted to them. In a place like a bar or a club there are many single women who want to be approached by attractive men and thus treat them well when they do. Why is any of this surprising?

shoup88 · 2016-05-08T03:04:07+00:00

I have lots of male friends, most of them betas (as far as I understand the term). They generally are treated fine by women, most of them are dating or married. I also am friends with many many women, and they don't laugh at or mock beta men unless there's a specific reason, like they won't take no for an answer or they're excessively weird.

So overall, I deny this statement based on personal experience. Yes, I've seen it happen on occasion, but it's certainly not most women.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2016-05-08T04:56:37+00:00

Most women are pretty chill actually. The issue is that non-assertive men tend to attract toxic women who take advantage of them.

This have nothing to do with manliness inherently. I have often told my fellow transwomen who are being bullied around by women to grow a backbone.

TheChemist158 · 2016-05-07T17:49:56+00:00

Have you honestly never seen this happen?

Yeah. I don't go to bars that often, but I've never seen anything like that

[deleted] · 2016-05-07T21:00:36+00:00

SJW women are pretty cruel to beta and omega , but it's because men on their circles are so doormat-y they got an allergy on lack on masculinity. Be careful what you wish for and all that. Night clubs are also pretty harsh social environnements where your SMV is basically everything. Asking niceness from women there is like going to Wall Street and asking funds from Lehman Brothers for your grocery store.

Lonny_zone · 2016-05-07T21:36:00+00:00

Who the fuck cold approaches? Yeah, I'd mock you for that as well. We would sit and mock anyone that couldn't take a hint.

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ginasaurus-rex · 2016-05-08T01:19:15+00:00

I don't buy into the whole Alpha/Beta thing. To me it is a false dichotomy. Most people are a mixture of the two, not one or the other.

Also, women looking to hook up at bars are not representative of all women, or even the majority of women.

Five_Decades · 2016-05-08T01:51:59+00:00

I consider myself red pill, but outside of clubs and high school does this happen a lot?

The bigger 'woman treating a blue pill man like shit' threat when you are an adult is being with a woman who loses respect for you and then browbeats you and cheats on you. A bar skank laughing at you isn't the blue pill risk you should worry about.

jonascf · 2016-05-08T07:31:28+00:00

In my experiences in bars and clubs, I have seen countless examples of women treating low-status men like shit.

Have you honestly never seen this happen?

Never, but on the other hand I never go to night clubs and very rarely to bars.

Outside of those environments I'd say most women are nice people and able to treat everyone with basic respect. Some red pillers would probably consider me a beta but I've never felt badly treated by women in general.

MissPearl · 2016-05-08T11:16:34+00:00

If we were talking animal kingdom, the lesser status primates use kindness to cuckold the dominant males- escaping territorial squabbling for affectionate, reciprocal hookups, in the case of some species like baboons, right under the alpha's nose.

As far as 'low status' people being treated poorly, that's the definition of being low status. People treat you poorly, both men and women. But being lower status is not the same as low. And there's a giant begged question oriented around assuming that TRP's hiearchial sorting can be mapped onto humans with any degree of reliability- humans are notoriously byzantine about our social networks, as match their vast scope.

cravenravens · 2016-05-08T15:03:38+00:00

Very easy, I treat no one like shit.

tiposk · 2016-05-10T00:01:51+00:00

Yes, they do, however, between a socially awkward no personality guy (beta) and a manipulative promiscuous jerk (alpha), there are tons of well adjusted and well balanced men to choose from, this is the kind of men that emotionally balanced women prefer.

The type of alpha that red pill and pua communities describe attract many emotionally unstable women and women that are only up for a ONS and care very little about character. These are the women that treat them like gods.

It's also important to understand that most of the casual sex doesn't happen in bars, and most relationships develop after people have some time knowing each other, so superficial impressions take a less important role in the way women and men treat each other.

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