Why do some redpillers avoid/dislike "sluts" (women who have sex with many men)? Please, no juvenile urban legend type reasons (her vagina loose, sloppy seconds, AIDS, etc...).

sh1v · 2015-01-07T06:27:30+00:00

Weird way to frame the question. Dislike for sluts is hardly confined to TRP. Most human cultures have a taboo or shame associated with female promiscuity. The better question is why do most people avoid/dislike sluts.

The answer to that is two fold, female competition/mate guarding, and male desire to ensure paternity, both of which result in an instinctive, primate-brain level disdain for promiscuous women. That's why I hate sluts. Biology, and at a more cerebral level, a healthy respect for and embrace of the purpose underlying that biological mechanism. So my dislike of sluts has two components, one of which is reinforced by TRP, but the other part is just innate.

Sluts make bad LTR partners, by the way. Another little truth that mother nature recognizes and implants in our brains in the form of slut-hate.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2003.00444.x/abstract

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2010.00819.x/full

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3214800.html

Having said all that, I don't hate sluts so much as i want to fuck them a few times and discard them afterward.

Petticoat_Rule · 2015-01-07T06:55:04+00:00

Sigh

Why so many posts about sluts?

I've never heard the word so much until PPD. Going to go hang out with the normal people for a while...

We_Are_Legion · 2015-01-07T07:44:50+00:00

Here's a reply I posted earlier to show why.

This guy puts the data together across multiple studies far better than I could. Combined sample sizes in the tens of thousands;

1 , 2, 3, 4

No, I won't tl;dr. This stuff is interesting.

If you really need one though, http://freenortherner.com/2013/06/21/sexonomics-odds-of-divorce/ does a very provocative summary of this(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr049.pdf).

Other links if you like sifting through data on your own(distinct from above): http://www.ncfr.com/pdf/press_releases/PRESS%20RELEAS2.pdf http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2013/11/25/hookinguprealities/casual-sex-bums-out-both-genders/
http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/Bookofcharts.pdf

tl;dr the risk increase from a promiscuous woman is akin to the risk increase from an uneducated woman, and worse by most metrics(depression as an example). It outcompetes it at just about 2-3 partners. A woman with around 6-10 or more partners wins the race by miles.

EDIT: Someone told me some interesting summarized graphs to include for those who are lazy. It's not just divorce. Its infidelity. STDs, depression, unhappiness.: https://i.imgur.com/rrLe319.jpg

http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/352992?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21104723503417

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16131411

The results of moderated multiple regression analyses revealed that a respondent's number of sexual partners, level of dysfunctional impulsivity, satisfaction with current relationship, and quality of relationship alternatives significantly predicted inclination to engage in both of the extradyadic activities

According to the multiple regression analyses, number of sexual partners is a significant predictor.

The reason TRP disparages sluts is because the rest of the BP world tries to convince you, you should like them. For no real reason. TRP takes up the mantle and says no. There are a lot of reasons why they're objectively likely to be poor choices.

Besides being a great risk for not only divorce, but relationship dissatisfaction, promiscuous women are also unappealing emotionally to a lot of these men. Call the reasons whatever you like. But a guy doesn't feel an emotional and probably sexual aversion reaction to a marriage with a poorly educated woman. He does to sluts.

For some guys, innocence and femininity even turns them on. shock-horror. A college degree does not.

And lastly, you are operating under the assumption that RP really cares about these divorce risks. Not just from promiscuity, but for any risk factor. It really doesn't. They're just data that supports a choice we would've made anyway.

Klapped · 2015-01-07T04:59:57+00:00

I don't think trp really hate sluts, they just advise you to treat sluts like sluts, nothing more. Solid advice.

Those that do hate sluts do so for the following possible reasons:

1) sluts don't want to fuck them ---> anger.

2) negative life experience - getting cheated on or maybe their dad dumped their mum for a slut etc etc.

But there's no valid reason to hate sluts, I really don't see the issue, personally. What's not to like about better sex that's easier to get...

IsabelLeyte · 2015-01-07T03:57:16+00:00

I think it makes common sense that if a person has a history of having relationships they don't take too seriously and then breaking up and moving on to another relationship, again and again, that there is a good chance that they will continue to do so.

Yeah, I assume they will stop at some point, and have a great life-long relationship. Lets say they are predestined to stop at some number, call it n.

If I am looking for a life-long partner, I don't know if I am n or n-12, or n-7, or n-1, or n-3.

An attractive girl or guy that takes relationships seriously, is looking for a LTR, picks SO's carefully for that purpose, does not "get tired of people", and does not break up casually won't have a big number of past relationships.

(Not a RP guy, just a guy)

[deleted] · 2015-01-07T05:22:54+00:00

TRP doesn't "hate sluts". We love sluts. We only advise men never to marry or LTR them. Where many men run into trouble is when a slut turns 29 and demands to start being treated like a chaste little innocent girl who's worthy of long term commitment. We resent women that act like this. If you were a slut at 25, great. We love you. But we aren't marrying you at 35. Slutty tendencies, like all vices, die hard. Even a reformed smoker will have an urge to smoke, even years after quitting, because of the dopamine release it causes in the brain.

fizolof · 2015-01-07T03:56:39+00:00

Do you want to pressure me into having sexual relations with someone I don't want? Wouldn't that be rape?

AryaBarzan · 2015-01-07T05:55:06+00:00

Easy question answered a million times already.

Because there is absolutely no purpose in committing to a woman when so many men have already gotten her best assets so easily.

For the record, it is FAR from "redpillers" that believe this. The vast majority of men on this planet agree with this.

cxj · 2015-01-07T05:36:18+00:00

Attraction is not a choice. Neither is repulsion. Promiscuous behavior is a huge turnoff for some people. In my experience and observation, guys are far more likely to care about their LTR's partner count. They don't seem to care if its a girl they don't take seriously, though. Girls are turned off by some shit guys do too, IE conveying way too much interest way too obviously too fast.

There could be some "biotruth" at work regarding paternity assurance, since only women are truly sure their kid is theirs in nature, and thus men who were repulsed by promiscuous women could conceivably have reproduced more via lower likelihood of being cuckolded. But ultimately IDK why guys are repulsed/distrustful of promiscuous females, they just are, and I highly doubt it is going to go away.

Attraction/repulsion are not usually rational. Most people could mate and safely have healthy kids/be assure of their paternity just fine with modern technology, but attraction/repulsion instincts are left over from most of human history when such things did not exist.

Archwinger · 2015-01-07T03:47:50+00:00

I love sluts. One day, I hope to divorce my wife and marry one. My parents will be proud when I tell them what a great personal connection I have with this new, modern, liberated girl. My friends will want to hang out more often with me. Everyone in the whole world will cheer for my good judgment.

Except for those red pill guys. For some reason, this one tiny corner of the internet doesn't like slutty women. What's their deal?

wazzup987 · 2015-01-07T09:43:41+00:00

I feel like we need a list of common RP and BP arguments in the side bar

drok007 · 2015-01-07T04:29:20+00:00

It's harder to rape them when they like it. They keep consenting and I'm like "No bitch, take it back!"

an_absolute_rose · 2015-01-07T04:48:49+00:00

I don't avoid sluts.

I just don't reward their behavior with the status that comes with being in a relationship with me.

There is a real world status penalty for being in a relationship with a slut. Sluts are more likely to cheat on you. Sluts are unlikely to share my values. Sluts also carry the very much increased risk of diseases, which are absolutely a deal breaker.

A lock that can be opened my many keys is a shitty lock.

[deleted] · 2015-01-07T13:20:41+00:00

It's my personal pref, that shouldn't be your or any body's concern

meehan666 · 2015-01-07T03:40:57+00:00

Why do blue pillers care so much about what TRP likes/dislikes?

YaBoiTibzz · 2015-01-07T03:48:44+00:00

While I wouldn't be so worried about AIDS, concerns about getting, say, herpes are very well-founded. A substantial segment of the population has the disease and it's not hard to figure out what kind of person is most likely to have it.
Because sex requires no effort for women to get (men are the ones who approach, women just say yes or no), slutty behavior demonstrates a certain lack of character to a lot of people. It shows a lack of self-restraint, an inability to resist the temptation to over-indulge in hedonistic behaviors, similar to someone who drinks too much or sits around and smokes pot every day.
There is a proven correlation between higher partner counts in women and higher incidence of divorce. If you are looking for a serious LTR, you want to maximize your odds that the person will actually, y'know, stay with you long-term. Sluts are more likely to get bored and decide that you are not good enough; because they have experienced so much variety before, eventually they will begin to miss it. People might not like it, but that's how it is.

GayLubeOil · 2015-01-07T08:19:27+00:00

I guess its really juvenile to believe that a woman who frequently has sex with random men has a high risk of transmitting sexual diseases.

Aerobus · 2015-01-07T03:41:58+00:00

AIDS is a "juvenile urban legend?"

And you want me to take this post seriously? You do realize, a woman or a man increases the risk of them contracting an STD with more partners right?

Here's a source before BP hounds me for believing in "juvenile urban legend type reasons": https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/prevention/reduce-your-risk/sexual-risk-factors/

Kasual99 · 2015-01-07T03:33:33+00:00

The stigma... Its viewed as dirty, nasty, and they tend to be strung up on pre-concieved ideals about morals and character.

winndixie · 2015-01-08T04:43:19+00:00

AIDS is a perfectly good reason to avoid sluts.

AFormidableContender · 2015-01-09T08:21:41+00:00

A woman just told me she engages in wild sex orgies, and is in the middle of mood swings because she hasn't been able to fuck any of her multiple FWBs.

My first response is "gross". That's the only reason I need. I may not even dislike the concept of group sex. Sounds fun...if I was in it...but hearing a woman talk about it, and knowing she partakes? Gross.

sweeptheleg55 · 2015-01-14T16:03:51+00:00

I dislike the slit culture of America. I think love is the only spiritual clue left behind for us, and maybe its good to keep the physical ritual you can do in that state holy.

Guy or girl it just sucks if your not pursuing real love. You're building habits you wont be able to break.

I also really hate the logic of the modern feminist uses.. Well some guys are huge sluts so we should all be sluts. Women used to guard that sacred thing.

Another issue. For most men picking up a random girl requires a prostitute or a whole lot of prideless douchebag PUA stuff. For a girl you just need to go to a bar and wait. So, to me, a girl picking up guys is a close approximation to a guy picking up prostitutes. The same effort was put in.

SirNemesis · 2015-01-07T04:57:09+00:00

Because they're gross.

Next question please.

[deleted] · 2015-01-07T05:05:53+00:00

Because they won't have sex with them.

give_me_shinies · 2015-01-07T08:56:43+00:00

Whats with the BPer obsession with sluts? There's sooo many posts in this sub about sluts/studs. It's been done to death. Infidelity risk, divorce risk, paternity fraud risk, STD risk, baggage. It's getting boring and annoying.

It's not just TRP that dislikes sluts btw; almost every culture in existence regards female promiscuity with disdain. Men not wanting to commit to sluts is the norm everywhere and it's only BPers who seem to think this is some bizarre prejudice exclusive to TRP.

LifterofThings · 2015-01-07T15:24:32+00:00

Because ick? idk. Does one have to have an iron-clad, scientifically defensible reason to find something distasteful?

powerkick · 2015-01-07T03:56:10+00:00

Sluts having looser pussies isn't an urban legend though. It really can happen, especially if her pussy wasn't that tight to begin with it can go from bad to worse.

[deleted] · 2015-01-07T05:01:33+00:00

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BlueboyPill · 2015-01-07T11:50:29+00:00

The paradox is that most RPer's would disdain the opposite of the slut i.e the famed unicorn. The prude virgin who wants to "give sex" after marriage, who only does missionary, no oral, no fornication, lights off during sex etc.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2015-01-07T20:41:17+00:00

because redpillers are insecure and cant accept that women may have had more/better sex than them?

i think its pretty horrible and disturbing to even have "slut" in your vocabulary. a person's identity is more than how many people they've slept with.

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