I've been lurking on this sub for a couple of years now, seen it grow. TRP is now at a quarter million subscribers. That's pretty insane. It speaks very deeply about the current state of relationships in our Westernized countries. It's not a surprise that every time I see a friend that I haven't seen in a while on campus, I hear that he went through a shitty breakup and he's now trying to cope. This happens all the time now. It's become such a common theme for men to get fucked over by women emotionally and the only thing they get to say, over layers and layers of deep emotional trauma, is "it didn't work out"; only to find out she's with some other guy. It's become extremely hard to open up as guys nowadays.
Women tell men to open up, to embrace their feminine side, to cry more. I've come to realize that this is the equivalent of men telling women that it's okay to get fat. We want it to be this way, but biology, our instincts, simply don't allow it. It's just being polite.
This sub has helped me a lot in my life though it's absurd that it has to exist. It's a way for me to communicate with other men who've been through similar hell with women. It reflects the very toxic state of relationships nowadays. The fact that no one talks about this, only in very intimate situations, is beyond me. The more I talk with other men, the more I realize how it causes them to be depressive and repressive, in denial about it. Please speak up. It's tough, man.
Food for thought.
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edit 3: This post sure went viral around here. From reading the comments, I think we're all for the most part on the same page. We're pretty sick of this shit. After years of repressing your emotions, it gets crippling and you start compensating for it in ways you don't even realize. You can't repress your humanity. Even high quality men have to go through this game with western women, it's like untangling barbed wire, it's not worth it anymore. More and more men are just turning their backs on any kind of intimate contact with women. And to win at it you need to do the exact opposite of what society tells you, and this is why the 48 laws of power is so popular among CEOs and celebrities.
edit 4: Thank you for the gold random stranger
I don't think it's exactly the same as saying it's okay for women to get fat. The difference is that men know we don't want fat chicks, betas just say it for brownie points or to not get shamed by body positivism nuts.
Many women legitimately think they want a feminine, sensitive guy. It sounds good on a rational level. I've had this conversation with so many girls. "I like sensitive men who cry and talk about their feelings".
When I say well you're with me and I'm not like that and you left those other men, and lay out what she really wants, they're usually stumped for a while before they realize it's true. They actually believe they want these things, it's not a huge societal shit test. Most women just don't realize that attraction is a biological thing and not controlled by societal attitudes or the rational mind
I know that's not your point, but still.
I've noticed the same. Men who cry and in general act like little bitches will just end up being an another GIRLfriend to these women. Not boyfriend or husband, girlfriend.
My wife (yep, married for 15 years soon) sometimes just idolizes other guys who act like sensitive and caring husbands (=crying bitches) to other women. But at the same time she would NOT want ME to be like that. If I get too emotional she gets lost. So I keep it to myself, and even make an effort to be a little bit of a douche sometimes. And it works. Men are men, women are women.
I've learned this lesson too. You can't expose yourself to them, if you do, game over.
Yeah. As sad as it is, once you reveal your weakness like that they realize that you're not the unbreakable wall you seemed to be. Once that happens it's over, the illusion is broken and they'll never see you the same way. Never show weakness to a woman.
Women don't love you, they love their idea of you.
Exactly. You get what I was saying.
Two honest questions here, because I'm genuinely curious: by your definition, what would "exposing yourself" to a woman look like (yeah, reading that again and the wording has alternative connotations)? And what do you mean by "game over"?
Lets say you're experiencing a lot of problems at work. You're worried about being able to provide for your family and maybe even paying the rent.
Now assuming you've been the stereotypical stoic alpha to this point, your girl hopefully sees you as an uncrackable monolith of strength. Once you reveal your concerns to your girl, or maybe even cries, she will see that this was an illusion. You were not the unwavering colossus she had painted you as in her head. The fantasy is broken.
Now she knows you're weak and just pretending. Will you be able to provide for her? Will you be able to keep your wits about you and defend her, or will you break down like a child in the face of danger? Unconsciously, she'll sense weakness and distance herself.
Hmm. I see what you're saying. Part of me is screaming against accepting ALL of it though. That perspective feels very "all or nothing" to me. Too black and white. From what I've seen, most people are 99% gray. Your wording was entertaining though, for sure.
My first thought after reading this was that even if I was able to keep up a facade of Herculean proportions for any extended period of time, there's no way I could fall for someone stupid and delusional enough to believe that I was perfect and impervious to damage or pain. Nobody is perfect. Any person that believes otherwise is just proving to me that they aren't perfect either. I'm not in 10th grade anymore, intimate relationship aren't a fucking game. There's too much at stake.
I posted a little further down here in this thread earlier but I'm not trying to repeat myself or anything. Not married long, but I've cried in front of my wife a couple times. One of those was after going through some old boxes, finding a birthday card from a few years back from my now-dead grandma with a ten dollar bill still in it. Does that make me a little bitch? Is that how she viewed me forever after that? Am I the only one working right now between us? Yes. Is that not taking care of her? If someone tried to do anything stupid to her, would I hesitate to kill someone if it came down to it? No, wouldn't. As hypothetical as that is, I believe it to be true. But in her eyes, wouldn't that be my "ability to defend her"?
I don't think she was under any delusions about me from the jump, so there were none for me to shatter when I fuck up. I'm both of these things.... I'm a whining bitch in rare occasions, but I've done and am still doing whatever I have to in order to get us through whatever shit situation is in front of us. Financial, sexual, mental health, physical health, etc. If the solution is within my means, I'll do what I have to. The thing is, I can't do EVERYTHING or anything ALL the time. So, is imperfection a sign of weakness? Or would it be more accurate to ask if not being able to manipulate and maintain the VENEER of perfection a weakness? To me, a fake bitch is way more unattractive and unrespectable than a girl with "too much" emotion or too SOMETHING in some other way. If you believe perfection is real, you might as well be 10 years old to me. That's how much I'm NOT going to interact with on any level outside of "passer-by".
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Crying over the loss of a parent isn't a problem I'd say. Weakness is only a problem when it manifests as an inability to cope with reality.
Crying over a dead parent = natural. Quitting your job and stop taking care of yourself because you're crippled by grief = weakness.
You can admit something is troubling you, but you can NEVER show that you don't know what to do about it. Always have a plan. As a man, you are the protector in the relationship, and the woman is to be protected. If a situation arises when you are no longer in control you've upset the power dynamic. That's where you lose attraction.
if you just act, it will sooner or later be revealed.
The solution is not to act but to get there. If you actual have confidence, a good education and social skills, even better a network, getting a new job won't be hard assuming you did not fuck up terribly like eating were shit. That is what TRP is about.
It's just an example. You can't avoid all trouble. Somethis shit happens that fazes you. It's okay to admit you're in trouble but it's not okay to admit you don't know how to deal with it, maybe I should have been clearer on that.
...then they will STILL leave you for being "too arrogant" or "not sensitive enough".
Marriages/relationships largely do not last long anymore. Red-pilled alphas get left too when the divorce contagion starts spreading around her circle of influence...
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Seems stressful to have to act like that, why get into that situation in the first place? Seems fake. I’m myself around my girl of 6 years and she pretty much worships me. If I was acting like an alpha douche every day she would be pretty bored.
I mean if you expose your true feelings for a woman, by letting her know that you're interested and really like her. Some of them act all weird, and then the power is in their court because now they know you like them.
From my observations, some women are more interested in a guy that doesn't show interests in them. Like it's a challenge for them to get him, the whole "people want what they can't have" thing. So I keep my feelings to myself from now on.
By "game over", I mean that once she knows your true feelings, it will change her outlook on you, and she might ghost you.
Thanks for clarifying. And yes, that makes sense from the perspective that I know what you mean. The chase, the game, the greener grass, the thrill of the hunt...whatever wording you want to use. I've seen women behave this way, yeah. I've seen some behave this way to me to one degree or another. I've also seen guy friends like this with women. I've also watched myself behave this way to women in certain situations. It's definitely not the way to go or something to be proud of, and it's a shitty thing to experience if you're on the receiving end of it.
I can see how and why you'd want to shield yourself from bullshit treatment like that at the hands of someone you're genuinely interested in, and you are free to act and be whatever you want, but to me, I don't think that's the way. I don't think you're doing yourself any favors.
I guess I kinda think of it like this: would I REALLY want to be with or give myself to someone on such an intimate, personal level if it's just going to be a game to them? How could I respect a person that doesn't respect me? Even if my intentions are good, is part of my attraction to that person one in the same with the things I detest?
I can assure you, or anyone that asks, that not EVERY woman is the kind of woman we seem to be talking about in this sub. I know the the one we're talking about well. Trust me, I get it. Fuck those people! But blanket treatment isn't the answer. If you feel you need to protect yourself from an entire gender, that must mean that you're still interested in that gender and have plans to continue to pursue. And if you're pissed off about a kind of person or particular treatment, it must mean that you want something that ISN'T that...i.e.- a decent person. If a decent person is what you want from a relationship, that decent person you're after will probably be turned off by a person that's constantly on the lookout for someone that isn't even her and not what she's about. She will definitely be deterred by a person that doesn't feel he can or should show the inner parts of him the she needs to see in order to show those same parts of her.
A vicious, destructive, cyclic pattern of behavior that won't lead anywhere beneficial. Someone has to be the first to put the guns down.
You make some good points. I’m still interested in dating, but my outlook on dating is pretty bad. It seems like a balancing act and some good luck is what you need to be successful, at least that’s what I think.
We live in a world, especially in today’s time, where everyone looks for approval, we as individual human beings will always try to maintain appearances in public, women are no exception, that’s for anything controversial or political, we don’t want to come off as politically incorrect and offend the majority who says otherwise so we don’t say it. now put that in terms about talking about attraction, let’s say if a teacher asked girls in a classroom what they look for in a man, they would all give the politically correct answer “I want a man who treat me well” “I want someone nice and sweet” “I don’t really care about looks too much” although that isn’t entirely untrue, what they WONT say is the real desires they feel, the attractiveness, the masculinity, the Chad, because if they do, they would get ostracized by others as “shallow” or “slutty” when really that’s just their human instincts which in reality is not wrong to have, us guys have and are more aware of those subconscious feelings for women as well, but they too would be ostracized if they said it out in the open, if we all said we personally wanted someone with a nice body, nice face as well, we too would be ostracized by the other sex and be classified as a “douchebag” and just as “shallow” and be considered “not normal” . If a guy were to be honest and say “no it’s not okay to be fat it’s unattractive” or “they should at least try to make themselves look good” they would get flamed as an asshole, but at the same time, they want us to look good, dress well, have a nice body, etc etc. The thing is, is that our society has not kept that equality open for both sides, way more you hear about women complaining about men being inconsiderate, “all men are the same” “all they want is sex” “boys will be boys” that people who have not realized that women are too the same, don’t even consider it, they really believe that Disney land fantasy that women really want JUST those nice sweet things, and that’s where a lot of guys get stuck in that mentality and when reality comes crashing down on them it hurts, “nice guys finish last” “they always go for the douchebags” blah blah blah. When in reality those “douchebags” are just ordinary men like the rest of us who see right through their bullshit.
Very well said. There is a new documentary on Netflix about spring break and hook up culture and it is a perfect example of what you're trying to say. By the end it just came down to how terrible men are and how they've been taught to just objectify women. They never once mention how we have adopted a culture where we encourage women to do whatever the fuck they want with zero repercussions. Women accountability for actions is just simply nonexistent today. It's very odd to me how angry people get when you point that out. It's a two way street and I believe both sides are equally responsible for where things are today.
I went on a rant in the comment section from a post on Facebook a few weeks ago. The post was a screenshot from Twitter (I think) that went viral. Essentially, this teenage girl was telling some middle-aged woman that the hickies on her neck and body aren't trashy, that she's just young, open-minded, and experiencing all that everything has to offer. Basically it said "I'll do what I want, at all times, and if anybody gives me any shit for what comes from it, fuck you." But it was posted from the standpoint of empowerment and liberation. I didn't exactly agree with that. I voiced it in the rant, which contained almost word-for-word what you said "whatever the fuck they want with zero repercussions". Some people agreed with me, some half-flamed me, and a couple people were like "who the fuck hurt you growing up?!". I guess I'm the crazy one for believing that insanity and tasteless behavior is insane. I am noticing a trend though.
The absolute best retort from people is "Nah bro sounds like you've just had bad experiences with women. Who hurt you, boi?"
Society and it's broken "rules", that's who hurt me/us.
Haha! Right. It was a couple days later when I was in the shower and had the idea of responding with something like that or "the whole world! And it still is."
I mean, I get it. Some random guy is going off in the comment section of some light-hearted, comical meme. I get what that guy (me) looks like. I'm aware, trust me. But I feel like people are just letting so much shit slide and pushing so many things to the back burner that sometimes I just can't swallow any more bullshit. I can't fake another smile. I can't NOT call out bullshit when I see it. I'm not a ruined, burnt out cynic, I promise. But I'm also not getting in line with you fucks that no longer have a voice to say when something doesn't sit right with you.
The issue with this young woman's behavior is that she will someday want marriage to a loyal, stable, reliable, and faithful man who will be an outstanding husband and exceptional father, but will bemoan the fact she is unable to find a "suitable partner."
This - despite years of debauchery and promiscuous behavior, she will eventually blame men for her "inability" to obtain the aforementioned goal. In short - instead of using her best years to find the very best husband/father archetype, she wasted her time being "young, open-minded, experimenting with anyone and everyone...all while being "empowered and liberated."
What is the name of the docu?
Liberated: The New Sexual Revolution
I remember in 8th grade sex ed class we were talking about attraction and specifically remember the girls projecting hard about how they thought muscles were so gross and they liked nice sweet boys... hahaha
I don't disagree. Women generally don't know what they want, I see it on every scale and I've experienced it in many of my relationships (romantic, platonic, sexual etc) with women. But you said it, it was not my point. My point was this: do whatever women tell you to do and you're completely fucked; in the same way, if women listened to asslicking BPs telling them that it's okay to be fat, I think men would have the upper hand in relationships and Briffault's law would be flipped on its head. The strange thing is that women know better than to become fat and for some reason a huge majority of us men listen to women like they shit gold and fart rainbows when they tell us that it's okay to cry, and then it bites us in the ass and we realize we just got dumped for it. Women play a better game. Still , women are fucked up
I think the problem is that most men think women are like us. Men are rational and say what they think, so we assume women to be the same way.
When someone is BP hears a girl telling me that I'm an asshole they think that's what she thinks and they don't understand why she'll fuck me at the end of the night. When they hear her say "I'm not gonna sleep with you tonight" they think that's what it means and leave. And when they hear a woman say "this is what I want" they obviously think she means it.
You don't listen to what a woman wants, you tell her what she wants.
Yup, and we learned this the hard way, sadly. That's why we're on TRP
There are a lot of Chads and lesser Chads who’ll fuck anything anytime. In fact, some prefer chubbies. Betas brag about it before admitting they are intimidated by high value cunts
A general lack of self awareness seems to be the problem. That being said, this is why it's called redpill. Wakey wakey get some coffee
Or maybe the real shit test was society telling them they want a nice, sensitive reliable beta buckaroo.
This just proves that sexual attraction is not a societal construct like all the feminist ham beasts say it is.
Ever since the sexual revolution, women are under no duress to stay with their man. In the past, women would be socially ostracized for cheating on their man or in the middle east in biblical times, outright stoned to death. Women can make it on their own now. They have jobs. They have money. They really don't need a man for anything except to get fucked by them and have kids. This puts the ball totally in their court. They can do whatever their heart desires in terms of sex and relationships.
Monogamy is dead. Don't get married.
This is true but I will also point out that even the threat of being stone alive with not stop a female from leaving/cheating on a beta male. Hell if u read history even kings and princes would often have to deal with Treasonous wives fucking the enemy. For a simple example look at Helen of Troy/Ceoplatra/ even King Arthur wife
Guinevere. She slept with Lancelot the dragon slaying alpha.
Women can make it on their own...They really don't need a man...
This is true - sans the fact many women bemoan the reality of having to work just as hard as men, work until death, and if a single mother have to fill both parental roles.
It's interesting that despite all this "liberation" and freedom the modern woman is much less happier.
They don't need 'A Man' but they need 'Men' in the form of the state, lawyers, employers, divorced hubby, etc.
If this were the case, they wouldn't all be on antidepressants.
And when they were married and staying at home a lot of them would drink during the day.
Its not about needing or not needing men. Its about the fact that most women live their lives only thinking about not being bored.
At some point men will figure out the solution to this reality. I haven’t yet, but men are solution-seekers.
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I can list the number of sick Drs, male and female,e.g. just at Houston’s60,000 Medical Ctr.. Scandinavian researcher stillettoed to death by Latina GF, pedophile pediatric MD researcher busted, female Dr researcher slowly poisons Dr BF, Dr recorded propositioning and watching couple have sex for opioids etc
Men already had it figured out in the past. It's only been the past 100 years things have gone awry. But yes, we will figure this out sooner or later
Eh, but sometimes the world plunges into total chaos before a solution is found.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Natural, pragmatic solution in the immediate term is MGTOW. Not saying this is right or what we want, but it is certainly a form of solution.
Seems like MGTOW is the next step in a major culture change with an end result that is improbable to predict correctly.
I'll largely agree with that, but they definitely still want men for their money through 1) taxes 2) alimony 3) child support 4) clothes/makeup/shoes/hair/etc. There is a reason women still get married and sites like seekingarrangements is so popular.
The sexual revolution only marked where the first generation senses, as a whole, what was true since since after the industrial revolution, maybe late 1800s in regards to food supply and work. If you look up anytime of plenty resources, like the swinging 20s, the same attitude flaired up, albeit in limited regions. Happened in roman times and further back.
I'd speculate this is where western empires peaked, money came in, men feminized (David Bowie in 70s as a forerunner), women went hypergamy, birth rates markedly declined, immigration increased markedly, nations went under.
Calm the fuck down.
For the vast majority, shitty jobs that can barely make ends meet and they can't save money & plan ahead to save their life. These bitches still need a man. They can't fuck themselves with dildos forever. that shit gets boring.
Yes, don't get married but the main point is, man the fuck up.
You totally missed my point dude. I'm not saying women are going to swear off men like mgtow idiots I'm just saying they are free in society to follow their hypergamy instincts. In the past, if a woman was found out to have cheated, her life was over whereas today, there are almost no consequences. And btw, women are getting higher and higher paid jobs due to gender quotas and other affirmative action. Women are also finishing university at greater rates than men and this trend is continuing.
YOU missed the point. Read between the lines. The majority of those "women are also finishing university at greater rates" are getting shitty women's studies/arts degrees that have no value in the job market. Which is why bitches are still working shitty retail jobs with 4 year degrees in their pockets.
Bitches can't plan, therefore they fuckup their lives unless a man tells them what to do. Hence calm the fuck down & man the fuck up.
Guys really need to be told this in 2018 & that still baffles me.
Man this is pretty eye opening isn't it. I think we can all agree that those who find this sub and actually stick past one visit have all experienced the "wow the world isn't the way I thought it was" moment. Unfortunately, this typically occurs after years of loneliness, isolation, or backbreaking breakup.
It's funny because a lot of people find this sub through peopling bashing it and call us misogynists. They come here, read some posts and realize that everything here is true, so they stay.
You are absolutely right. On a side note, the relationship feminized blue pill dynamics that are talked about in the west are present in Europe just as much (i'm from Bulgaria, located in southeastern Europe). It's the same Matrix over here. This sub is filled with people from all over the world.
Fairly new to Reddit (somehow I missed the bus a while ago, apparently). I recently subscribed to this sub after a Google search for.... actually can't remember the EXACT search term, but it dealt in relationship woes/advice/similar experiences. I don't understand the complete dynamic of this sub though. I'm interested enough to post here, so that says something. I already knew that there's no way I could be the only one who has experience a, b, or c and I'm the only person who has had x, y, and z thought or mental process. Still, it's nice to have proof that there are people out there who actually think and wonder instead of just react.
ugh, I've been through all of those a few times... wouldn't recommend it
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Nah, I knew this shit was broken since I was in my early teens, but then I'm a history buff so I understood how fucking different the modern/Western/Germanic world is to what came before. The problem is the Christiano-Germanic adoration of women. In India a common girl's name is Maya, which means "illusion." Even the Romans thought the Germanic tribes were very lenient with women, and the Romans were shockingly lenient with them compared to the Greeks. Central Asia used to be inhabited by Nordic people, not anymore, they got exterminated by the Turks and Mongols. They were also described by the Greeks as "ruled by their women." Once the Nordic people are gone, things will go back to normal, though the damage will be worldwide.The Nordics will be a fringe group, if at all existent. They had a good run, but are too naive and considerate to women. The Chinese are already talking about buying European women once the West falls apart. They're already buying/prostituting Russian women.
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I was lucky, even as a beta bastard I never had a girlfriend leave me. Part of the reason is that I never really loved them. They cheated, that's for sure.
But it's true. Girlfriend and wifes leave my friends all the time. I have 2 sisters and the pattern is always the same. Guy checks the girlfriend's cellphone, see girl chatting with a guy, discussion, then split.
My sisters do the same. They talk with guys even when in a couple. Then the poor bastard boyfriend gets angry, lose frame, and is dumped.
NGAF and abundance mentality helps
Agreed. A major religious/moral awakening or a major war(an absolutely devastating world war level one) is the only way out.
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Sitting in watching Netflix wondering why they get less attention every year.
It's really strange, lately I hear a lot of people I surround myself with whether it's at school, work, or just random people I chat with at a bar talking about having some kind of new spiritual awareness..
And I don't mean that in some loosy goosy "bro I took shrooms!" kind of way. I notice a lot of my friends (men and women) seeing how fucked up and backward feminism has become. How drug addiction is wiping out our communities. How the world is almost appearing to be satanic and tipping toward some kind of anarchistic lawlessness.
I personally feel a looming spiritual dread of some kind in the air. Like society is degenerating and we're all becoming stupider-probably related to the bombardment of information from screens every day.
Fascinating. We all feel it here too. Humanity can’t survive long like this. We’re living on borrowed time. The cliff dropping birth rates to near 0 among us is proof of it. No kids = no future.
Oh yeah. Society is spiritually dead. Everyone is being warped. It'll balance out through chaos.
I can tell I have become jaded because I actively root for this daily.
Don't root for war man, war is the ultimate blue pill: men fighting other men at the whim of old politicians who are stuck in the past and can't understand modern societal issues. If there were a war you'd like have to fight for the feminized country you live in, while all the woman lay back getting fucked by chad and saying how men cause all the wars.
I mean, you're right, I guess I just no longer see any way it could ever be possible for the world to be anything less than pure unmitigated shit. So I see absolute destruction as an improvement.
There wouldn't be any women sitting anywhere, or anything else for that matter. Humans are a failed experiment, like dinosaurs, next.
Dude go make some fucking cash and it wont matter. Are you guys not reading the info. This is blue pill all the way.
Lift, Focus on Self, Get money. Bitches will chase you, what is there not to understand?
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Women recognize high value when it's there. To me women seem more sexually expressive and free than ever before. If you aren't having success you are too busy making excuses and not following the advice.
I'm high quality & I'm not losing my mind. Frustrated? Of course but there'e a whole world out there that isn't the western world.....
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This guy is the prime example. It's like Hercules who compares himself to whoever's "above" him. You are the top 1%, and women still can't get enough. What do they want?
lol i dont lift and dont have any money yet i score a lot ahahaha
Really? You must be super ugly or you are asking in a bad way. Honestly most of the dates I go on he girls are asking me out...I still have to pick where to go of course usually but they’ll ask if I want to grab a drink or whatever.
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What line of work did you self make such good money in?
I always recommend air traffic control to the men that can do it. I’m 10 years in. I make 150k a year. Maybe not a millionaire (yet, but I will be long before I retire). But you only need high school and your own ability to think quickly and manage stress/adrenaline.
150k in the Midwest goes a long way.
That being said. I’m 100% in the camp that you do not need a single beta provider trait to get laid, and doing so just makes it that much harder. I almost listed my three bedroom house, my cars, etc that I have... but those things do not help you get laid. I work because it rewards me in the way that I value the most. But if you’re listing something like “I’m a millionaire and women don’t like me” well the problem is that you’re still stuck in the blue pill mindset that women care about beta provider traits at all.
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Yup. I have too many options these days. Even my ex gf of three years is chasing me now that She sees im having fun with new girls. She “accidentally” saw my public Snapchat even though I don’t follow her back. But I’ve got with 6 new girls so far this year.
I always intuitively understood spinning plates before but having the experience of a 3 year relationship I know how to hang out with a girl and be at ease so it makes it almost too easy.
I don’t doubt if I hadn’t found this sub and the manosphere right before my relationshit ended that I would still be crying over my oneitis.
Nah this is black pill nihilistic shit.
But only if, in addition to
You are chad, or put in an insane amount of work
If that's all you need out of life enjoy that, I grew out of it around 17 but it sure was nice when that was enough.
Then you are plain stupid. Rooting for a war is what led to WW1 and that led to WW2. What good exactly came from this?
The absolute destruction of the human race including the elite oligarchy tormenting us all for all of time.
It will be nuclear so will almost certainly end 90% of human life on the planet. Probably inevitable now but not something I look forward to, particularly.
With irradiation and destruction of food and water sources, should be the end of all life for a few thousand years on earth.
Hopefully the next species that evolves here isn't a worthless piece of shit. Maybe smaller dinosaurs would work out this time, more energy sent to the brain, less spent on bone/muscle. Primates have failed.
It's really strange, lately I hear a lot of people I surround myself with whether it's at school, work, or just random people I chat with at a bar talking about having some kind of new spiritual awareness..
And I don't mean that in some loosy goosy "bro I took shrooms!" kind of way. I notice a lot of my friends (men and women) seeing how fucked up and backward feminism has become. How drug addiction is wiping out our communities. How the world is almost appearing to be satanic and tipping toward some kind of anarchistic lawlessness.
I personally feel a looming spiritual dread of some kind in the air. Like society is degenerating and we're all becoming stupider-probably related to the bombardment of information from screens every day.
the silver lining in an Islamic takeover.
I wish. Christianity sucks.
And that will likely not happen
This only means your boys are low quality men and the girls are not attracted to them. In the end it's even good for the men as it gives them the chance to put the work in and get a girl that is attracted.
No, we are not. Not if you're lifting, gaming, upping your SMV, status etc.
"Not if you're lifting, gaming, upping your SMV, status etc."
This definitely will help. The problem is simply a numbers game.
Let's say the US has 10 million moderately to extremely attractive women from the ages of 18 to 40. Let's say there are 10 million moderately to extremely attractive men from the same ages. Let's say TRP really takes off, and there are now 20 million men in this category, but still only 10 million attractive women. Simple supply and demand models will tell you this is a scary feedback loop. If TRP stays relatively obscure you are absolutely right though, and regardless, it's the right way to live currently in all aspects of your life.
I think the beautiful way to flip the situation upside down is to ignore women. This works like a fucking charm. You'll get unwanted attention and realize why women are the way they are once you ignore them. Strange law of human nature
This only works if you have top 5-10% looks/physique. Otherwise prepare to be ignored.
The old way of life is fucked, but rather than get down about it, let's make something new. This sub is a great help in that direction.
Honestly, the genie is out of the bottle. Everyone is chasing the next best thing and I'm enjoying the decline but I hope we can turn it around. This sub truly changed my life.
We ain’t turning it around man, unfortunately. These are large scale historical forces unfolding in front of us. It would be like trying to reverse the drift of tectonic plates.
I wouldn’t say the alternative tho is to enjoy the decline. As I see it, there are two options.
If you’re religious, grow closer to God and use that as a wellspring to develop yourself.
Otherwise, plunge yourself into a radical drive for superiority and success. We parrot the “become the strongest version of yourself”, and that’s absolutely true. But it has to become a ruthless obsession. Bloodthirsty for self actualization.
Because when shit hits the fan, people will crave leaders and powerful men who can help re forge order, or god forbid, fend off invasion. The 21st century will be dangerous. Anyone saying “enjoy the decline” has not absorbed that fact.
Essentially the slow meltdown of the West’s entire institutional edifice has spurred a sense of urgency in me, and should in you, regardless of religious stance. “Enjoying the decline” is a blind strategy it seems to me.
Yes.
Truly competent men are missing in spades in today's society. The bar's so low that I even wonder how we got so far.
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Glad you quoted that book. I need to read it
Get strong. Get smart. Fuck the haters.
For you maybe but I am right there at the top of that list.
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Theory? Isn't it a meaningless anecdote straight off the pages of Imgur?
"Grow closer to God" is always "grow closer to what the priest's desires are", or, if you are the priest, "the voice in my head is god, therefore all must listen to me". That's some seriously weak shit - obey a man who thinks he's better than you, because someone says with no evidence, that they're god or an agent of god.
Eh gonna have to disagree with your easy dismissal. Not denying that happens sometimes. But I just think you’re straw manning what people’s personal faith is actually like.
Also you shouldn’t anthropomorphize god.
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You’re right, the same exact way that learning more about financial markets means sitting in front of the tv watching bitcoin pundits all day. If you’re religious, read the Bible for yourself. The main point here being, get your information from the source and be wary of intermediaries.
The bible itself is a compilation of what intermediaries have to say. It was written over the course of several hundred years, by many different authors.
Plus it gets basic nature wrong. Pi is 3, men have one less rib (they have the same number of ribs), life started on this planet in a day with every species, two of every species repopulated the earth, all sorts of fables (they wouldn't be fables if there was actual evidence to back it up).
There's some awful bits about killing your neighbors when they disagree with that voice (that people call god - really, it's just you) inside your head. There's awful ideas on divorce (never do it - get stuck with an awful person forever, no take backs), and much much more.
You can’t entirely dismiss it just because it speaks in metaphors.
I disagree. I don't think there will be a decline. Society will march on. Just learn how to adapt to the new world. Those who predict a decline simply wish for it. The world is not that bad. More capitalism, more globalization, and more technology will make the world a better place.
Being a german, I can not share your optimism. When I look around, what is happening here and in huge parts of Europe reminds me too much of the fall of Rome.
A society that has become too decadent. Citizens who give a fuck about their country, who have abandoned the idea of "Don't ask what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for you country." a long time ago and who are only interested in the state as long as they can abuse it to gain personal advantage. The massive influx of people who actively want to destroy our society and ways of life and try to replace it with something far inferior.
In fact, I just can't help but think of how the last chapter of Rome began with one sentence "Let them come, those Goths."
We have released a genie that can't be put back into its bottle.
History has shown that 10% of a population can dramatically change a society or bring it to its knees, as long as they are united, willing and strong enough and that is exactly the case with islam. Oh, here in Germany we are all being told that the percentage of muslims in our population is so low blabla...
And then I look at my hometown that has ~300.000 inhabitants. The state has forced our share of refugees on us and right now, the number of muslims has reached ~5% and they have changed the face of my town dramatically. And they won't go away, those people will stay here.
Berlin works like a time bubble in tis regard, it is like watching a fast motion movie about Germanys development in the coming decade. This city is close to collaps, the police forces are breaking down, criminal arab clans are about to infiltrate the Berlin police and no one gives a fuck. They just keep telling the fairy tale of diversity and all that crap.
Look at the UK where they have installed sharia courts which officially treat women as speaking animals - while at the same time white men are robbed of their rights, their freedom and their lifes for looking at a woman in the wrong way.
Look at the "Save the women" talk - while it is legal to cut of parts of your male children by law. I've just realised, by the way, that at least on Amazon Germany you can buy circumcision sets...
Hell, I am a nurse and my ward physician, a muslim, takes part in Ramadan every year. Last year June was a very hot month and our physician not only did not eat, but also he did not drink over the whole course of the day. He was stumbling over the ward like a damn zombie, not able to make life-and-death decisions with a clear mind. And no one dares to say something. Sooner or later he will kill someone, but who cares.
It is way more important to keep the peasants in line. I have a written warning for supposed "hatespeech" in my file, because a female co-worker had a beef with me and instead of clearing things up face-to-face, she ripped 8 words out of a multi-sentence statement and claimed those were hatespeech. And my asshole of a boss told me, no, this was in fact no hatespeech, but that woman felt it was and thus, I still needed to be punished.
Kill some white patients and no one cares. But dare to say the wrong thing and you are fucked.
Our society is falling apart, its internal cohesion is gone and people are either struggling with getting along or engaging in an amazing decadence.
This is Rome, my friend and I am afraid we reach the point where everything explodes in violence sooner than we think.
Germany spends a lot of money on that and yet the problems are so grave, right-wing parties can rise despite the odds.
Because at least some people become more and more tired of the lies, the censorship and the cognitive dissonance. The swing to the right is a natural reaction.
Right now the SPD, the Social-Democratic Party of Germany, lets its basis vote about them wanting a coalition with Merkels CDU or not. Which is a undemocratic act anyway, if you ask me and a mockery of democracy. The SPD got ~20% of all votes during the election and they still think they represent the people - while the right-wing AfD, wich got 13% was deemed a mere sign of some people falling for populist propaganda.
Now recent polls have shown that 15% would vote for the AfD, while the SPD has declined to 16%. And now they think that 440.000 SPD members can decide who will govern us for the next 4 years. Yeah, that is what I call democracy.
Anyway, the resistance in the SPD basis is quite strong and a lot of SPD members are actually not happy. The JuSos, the very youth organisation of the SPD are actively promoting a "No" for a coalition with the CDU. And quite now I keep my fingers crossed an hope for a "No".
Not only because the coalition agreement between CDU and SPD is a steaming mess, an insult to every person that still works and pay taxes and generally a slap in the face of the german population, but because if the coalition fails, we most likely will have new elections and that will be interesting.
The coalition negotiations that took place over the last months were a bloody mockery and trampled on the principles of democracy and the peoples will with absolute disregard. Again, the 13% the AfD was dismissed and ignored, but the CDU had no problem to negotiate with the fascist Green Party, which got 9% of the votes.
If this mockery had one positive effect then that at least some sheeple woke up and realised what kind of charade our government has turned into. If there will be new elections, my guess and my hope is that the AfD will gain a huge amount of voices and then it might become quite difficult to ignore that.
Sure, all the established parties have painted themselfes into a corner by declaring they will not coalise with the AfD, but we will see about that...
yep...its similiar to the US. lots of diversity hires to do jobs they cant do.
The problem as I see it is that we don’t live in a vacuum. If we did, I would agree with you. But you’re still thinking with some 20th century presumptions. The idea that the West will just perpetually be on top.
The biggest thing is really the rise of China. By 2100 they will be assfucking the world. And when one global superpower declines and another ascends, that always spells conflict. Look up the Thucydides Trap.
Secondly we have Russia, which is now actively challenging and thwarting the West. Occasionally our interest run parallel, but increasingly they conflict. They want to accelerate the fray of the West.
And lastly there is the swarming immigration into Europe from the third world, and the chaos of the Middle East. These are more destabilizers than oppositional forces.
And honestly, you could put the economy as another threat. Do you think it will just keep sputtering “upward” indefinitely? No it’s running hot right now, but not actually improving many lives. It will tank at some point. And when economic hardship takes over is when all those geopolitical tensions boil over.
So hey man, if you want to believe that western societies will just continue indefinitely, that’s you’re choice. I’m just saying that we don’t live in a vacuum. There are always always always other groups and societies vying for power. In the 20th century we could fend them off. I just don’t think that will continue all the way thru the 21st. And I think it’s really pretty obvious actually.
Women need to be locked in cages for their own protection.
I do sometimes wish a full-scale military invasion would happen; I'd hate to see slaughter, but I feel a great need for an extremely radical change of pace.
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Western society isn't declining because you can't maintain a relationship.
What decline?
You think things were good a hundred years ago, when women were boring, prudish, and you had to stick with one forever?
Women are a lot sexier today, and easier to get in bed with. Thank goodness for that. Wake up to the bullshit of marriage and alimony, but don't hate women for playing the game of "find the best suitor, while getting some on the side". Simply recognize it, and dodge accordingly.
Or embrace it with her, hopefully honestly, and get some on the side yourself, because having the same sexual partner for fifty years is akin to drinking Diet Pepsi every fucking day.
(And we do the same shit, when we have the opportunity to. Look at Bill Cosby. Has a wife of fifty years, but god knows how many side' women.)
If you want to raise a traditional family then you're pretty much fucked in the current climate.
Then there's moral degeneration, political decadence, consumerism, addiction to instant gratification, cultural decay (just look at your average music video).
You can't say there's no decline just because getting casual sex is easy now. That's but a miniscule positive in a sea of negatives. There's definitely a decline.
There was always moral degradation, political decadence, consumerism, addiction to instant gratification, and cultural decay. Socrates said, 2500 years ago: "The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise." Alcoholism and opium addicts were real things back then. The Odyssey talks about sailors getting addicted to drugs, and ruining unit cohesion. The town drunk is about as old as a trope as civilization itself.
Whether or not your family is disciplined and hardy to life ruining shit is a matter of partially how they're raised, and partially whether or not they're mentally ill.
Besides, morally, I think we're doing okay. In the western world, most of us don't kill people for minor slights. Many people are taught to treat each other with dignity - the idea of all humans being equal, not "my tribe is superior to yours and you deserve less". We don't crucify, we don't (well, we almost don't) torture, and people are supposed to (ideally, certainly not always) get fair trials.
We live a life so far from violence, that even routine animal slaughter now makes people a bit squeamish. That's amazing. Maybe we should be a bit more hardy to that, but these are good times. Every one of you, or almost every one of you, is well fed. There are life saving medications, antibiotics, people don't die from nonstop shitting themselves Montezuma's Revenge style.
For every awful trashy music video, there's many beautiful videos and songs out there.
I'd say we're doing okay.
The decline is that of western society. Our feminist-infested culture now does not produce enough children to perpetuate itself, and it's unlikely we can ever turn it around before other, more patriarchal and more reproducing cultures, take over.
Most women wants kids, man. Go on OkCupid, and it's stupid easy to find a mother of at least one, who is most likely looking for more kids. Have yourself a spawn if it matters that much to you. I prefer money and freedom. Thank goodness for the few women that aren't into having kids, cause otherwise, I'd never have money or escape poverty.
Birth rates are dropping globally. Few people want more than two expensive people who shit in their pants.
I was not talking about having kids personally, I'm talking on a cultural/societal level
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Then have a kid with someone who isn't batshit insane. You don't have to marry someone to have a kid with them. (Though you will be on the hook for child support if things go poorly.)
Or help change the laws when it comes to divorce and alimony.
People are slowly but surely beginning to realize the narratives they've been told their entire lives are complete bullshit (and specially designed to relinquish them of their power).
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If you think I was being PC, you misunderstood.
Lol he thought you were trying to pull a Trudeau. As if that makes any sense in the context of the rest of your comment.
I wouldn’t be on this subreddit if I was lol
It's definitely not a good idea to open up and embrace your feminine side to a woman.
Women want to be the woman in the relationship. If you're the one that's crying and in need of comforting and emotional support, where does that leave her? Feeling lost and floundering. In addition it's like a kill switch instantly destroying all sexual attraction. You're not acting like a man any more, so she's not attracted to you like one any more.
It's a difficult lesson to learn, but there it is: Women say they like something, because intellectually they would like to like it. They would love to think of themselves as being attracted to kindness, intelligence and gentleness - because that suggests they are kind, gentle people themselves. And what woman wouldn't want to think that of herself? But in truth they are attracted to strength and dominance - the alpha male traits. However they don't like to admit that aspect of themselves because they find it a little bit animalistic and degrading.
Any weakness you reveal will be used against you later. Not particularly on purpose (Although some are merciless and calculating enough to do that) but in that it will forever after factor into her estimation of you, to your detriment. Instead of admiring you for opening up, she will secretly think less of you or even despise you for your weakness.
Don't show her your feminine side, instead show your masculine side. Let her be the woman in the relationship. You'll both be happier. And the sex will be better.
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I'm pretty much the opposite. I don't cry much, not for decades at a time.
The last time I cried was for one of my employees. He was a young guy in his 20's who was separated from his wife. He'd been a live-in manager of a pub with his wife but she met another man and left...so he lost his wife and his job and his home at the same time (Because the owners wanted a married couple to manage the pub.)
So now he was working for me in my liquor shop. Not long after he started he came to work upset because his wife (They were still married) was teaching his son to call the new guy "dad" and him "Uncle xxxx".
Then he started complaining of headaches. A few days later he collapsed at work and was rushed to hospital. I went to visit him, he was lying unconscious on the bed. I talked to him for a while anyway. The doctors said he was scheduled for an operation on Monday. When I walked out of the hospital I started crying. People stared at me - they weren't being rude; just horrified.
He died before the operation without regaining consciousness. I went to his funeral and saw his wife who was chattering gaily to everyone else and was dressed to the nines. She appeared happy.
That was the last time I cried. More than 20 years ago now.
You think this is all-encompassing? This applies to EVERY relationship? Dude cries in front of her once and the damage to how she views him is irreversible? I got married for the first (and last) time last summer. I've cried in front of her a couple times about some sensitive things we were dealing with at the time. It wasn't lose-my-shit, balls-out slobber crying but there were tears. I would like to think I'm above average when it comes to intuition, overall awareness, and reading people and situations...but I don't know if I necessarily subscribe to this "alpha/beta" belief system. Not entirely anyway. I can realize the shit people haven't realized about themselves before they do. I've watched. I've listened. I've gathered my own experience. I'm still looking for answers to a lot of questions though. I'm not the alpha. My wife has dated them before me. I'm not the beta either. My wife has dated women also. I've asked her, from a completely secure place, where she would say I fall on that spectrum. She said smack-dab in the middle. "You allow yourself to feel things. But you also do man things and act like a man." Like I told her, I know there are attributes, qualities, physical traits.. fuck, even a whole other GENDER that she does/would/could/has found attractive in an SO, fuck buddy, or some meaningless casual thing. And of all those things, there are probably quite a few that I either can't be or don't want to be.
I guess what I'm saying is how would apply your line of thinking in this whole subject of men, women, and relationships to a specific situation? In this case, mine. You and I are strangers but the fact still stands that you believe this is how seemingly everyone operates and my wife and I are part of the "everyone" in your rationale, so it should apply to us too.
I'm not bragging about anything here. Not me, not my wife, not marriage, not my dog's shiny undercoat. I'm trying to learn where all of this comes from and what role I'm playing in it. Take what you will from all that, answer what you feel like answering, and thanks for the perspective
I do think it's all encompassing, and I do think it applies to every relationship. Sometimes the effects may take a while to become visible.
However this is just my opinion, it's always possible I am mistaken. As one married guy to another, I wish you the best.
And thanks for your input, it's always nice to get more perspective. The more we know, the more we can learn.
Well shit, if that is the nature of my soon-to-be reality, I'll be forced to "man up" on a level not previously known to me. I hope it doesn't come to that for that reason, but if it does, I'll walk that path. I came into this shit alone and I'm leaving it the same way.
Good to hear mate :-)
For me decades ago I cried after I was cheated on by my fiance (And asked to help bring up the baby!) I never fully trusted a woman again. I never cried about one again either because I never let anyone affect me that deeply. I do believe in AWALT (All Women Are Like That)
Yeah, that's just too bad. Nothing resembling that is a situation anyone would want to deal with. I'm glad you've put some distance and perspective between you and it. I'm definitely not here to change what you believe though. I think I'm going to continue to hope for the best while remaining aware that anything is possible.
And yes, I wish you the best as well! Let's just hope we're all wrong about the shit we pray we're wrong about and that maybe our limited knowledge and senses only serve to put a wall between us and the truth.
I cried when I found out she was cheating and that basically signed our relationship's death warrant.
It should have signed the end when you found out she was cheating not when she found out that you cryed because of it. You know, you should have been the one having boundarys where she cheats and not her to have boundarys where you cry.
I've been through this too. When I found out someone was cheating on me I was heart broken. She also told me I had "never done anything to prove I really loved her" and that I could do this by helping her to bring up this baby, that was not mine.
Within a couple of days she got influenza, coughed incessantly and had a miscarriage. I then told her we were breaking up. She refused to leave the apartment (That was in my name and I was paying for) so I left her there and moved out.
Decades later she is an unmarried mother of two to several other guys and not doing very well.
Once someone cheats on you I don't think there's any going back. After that experience I never fully trusted a woman again.
To be fair she'd already signed it and put her own head in the noose. Any cheating should result in an immediate end to the relationship. Anything else is just being a cuck.
Lmao I remember when I told my wife it wasn’t okay to be fat. The look on her face was just epic. She’s not overweight or disgusting and she wasn’t when I said it but I said no, that’s exactly what I meant. If a man or woman thinks they can get married and then stop taking care of themselves physically, emotionally and intellectually then they deserve every bit of what they get. If you lift weights, read books and practice emotional intelligence you don’t deserve a fat uneducated cow holding you down with her average life style choices.
Good on you. Any noticably long lasting ramifications?
Yeah, my wife has been hitting the gym hard as hell. She goes about 3-4 times a week and tells me when we have kids she wants to be my milf. Those obviously weren’t the first words out of her mouth. There was resistance like “my girl friends’ husbands would never say that” and I said that’s why their wives are fat.
After a few months of her working out I told her there’s three reasons why I wanted her to work out. I said first, you were always stressed out and now you’re way more relaxed and sex is very frequent. Two, your less likely to get heart related diseases and cancer. Three, you feel better about your body now than you did before I said anything. The irony is how much better my wife’s life is because I told her she was putting on weight and needs to hit the gym.
Man, I tell my live in girlfriend this but it has negative consequences. Like "you don't love me for who I am". When she's eating something unhealthy and I say maybe you shouldn't eat that because you're trying to loose weight, she flips it on me and says you don't think I know it's unhealthy (and she still eats it). I do love her but her attitude is putting a big wedge between.
Well honestly take a good look at yourself and your actions. If you’re not worth losing then you’re girlfriend will shape up. If she thinks she’s going to lose you then she’ll change her tune. I was lucky to have been mostly alpha during our relationship so she learned early on not to screw with me because she knew from the past that I wouldn’t put up with it. You’ll have to work a system out to where she respects you. I know me personally, if I had a fat girlfriend, I’d drop her ass without even a thought. It’s your business what you like but I think a man should have a fit woman.
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.
Amazing. You are lucky, based on my understanding of human nature and the potential for bitterness and jealousy. You have a keeper.
I think her being South American plays a big role. She doesn’t believe in feminism and she actually has said multiple times how she believes in traditional marriage. The bonus is that she came from a middle class family so she isn’t impressed with fancy clothes and gadgets. Luck can run out at any time though which is why I don’t have oneitus of believe in happily ever after. I enjoy every day though and live in the moment because nothing in this world lasts forever and that goes double for love and marriage.
As the guy said she'll come round to it eventually. She'll brutally shit test you to see if you're serious, but she'll come round. How can she argue with getting healthier and in better shape? Plus she can make new girlfriends at classes she goes to.
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Surely it's better to tell the truth? Also being fat is bad for health so ultimately he is doing it for her own good.
I’m her husband. My wife wasn’t overweight but she could have easily got there in a decade if I gave her a beta reassurance that her body was perfect because she was an angel sent from above. My wife is happier from hitting the gym, feels more confident and is less stressed. She is happier and healthier because I challenged her to be a better person and she stepped up the plate and swung hard because I told her she could every day.
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I’ve already made it clear with her that it’s understandable to gain baby weight
Hello, I'm from the Philippines, some men here really fucked up their gift, masculinity. The norm here is literally engulfed with feminized society. I'm glad I found the red pill, it made realized what all the BS I was exposed with.
Too true. The fact that's it's growing daily tells us even more.
Yes, but bluepill society has billions of subscribers...
thats what the deep state is for. to keep the illusion running.
Its funny ever since I went mgtow I no longer feel those vulnerable feelings that would make me want to cry and my happiness is more of a constant state of mind than having feelings of stress, anxiety, and insecurity are.
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indeed, I invented half of the sidebar years before I heard about reddit. I must admit though, that all the knowledge and skills disappear as soon as due to various circumstances, including logistics, the last plate disappears. Pay some people (like in truman show) to ignore you, and you will break every alpha into whiny bitch. Ofc it's just my opinion. On the separate side, if some whiny beta by pure luck got 4 plates, he would not need the reading at all, as long as they (plates) wouldn't vanish due to random events
Be prepared for Reddit libs to kill this subreddit someday.
Still waiting after 5 years, this sub has lost major interest since the election.
Women Think -- which is a societal terrorist movement has definitely penetrated through male think (masculinity) in the last 40 years. Men had it good for awhile, and so they stopped teaching their boys how to grow up into men. This is definitely a lost generation of grown boys who are clueless about women and life itself.
It's not an easy thing to accept that you (and other men) are at fault for the current state of affairs of male life. Men just know something is wrong. They don't know what.
My dad tried to tell me when I was young. "Girls want a strong man, that fuck them hard! not a crybaby! man up" I dismissed him as old-man ramblings.
Just to have girls tell me, years after, "Sorry I like big, tall men"
I know, it sounds cliche, but listen to your fathers.
That's the point. Something is fucked up, and the very existence and rapid growth of this sub says a lot about it
So true. I feel it's my duty to share this sub with other men who are struggling and get them unplugged.
What's the first rule about fight club.......?
Although the deed is noble and intentions good let them find this place on their own behalf.
Plant the seed in their minds, but don't just start blabbing about it like a school girl.
This... Youll only get ostracized in this blue pilled society if you voice out the truth. Let people learn the hard way, its the only way to truly learn
EXACTLY! Someone has it.
We live in a BP World where people are mindless NPC that have yet to be awaken or aware of what is happening. So when you go messing with them in the wrong manner. What happens? Backlash, Anger, Arguments etc.
Also you run the risk that if they feel like you've lied they'll forever blame you.
Couldn't disagree more. A close buddy of mine told me about TRP and I'll be forever grateful.
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How did he know that you were receptive, ready to swallow the pill? Were you down on your luck or something?
That just means you were ready, but guarantee there are others that aren't. They'll lash out in ways that you're not accustomed to. Especially hearing something like women aren't as special as society has made them to be.
If you feel the need to tell fine go do so, but be prepared for any consequences that follows.
Your friend just caught you at the right time. I wish someone would have told me about TRP but on the same token if someone did im not sure if i would have took it so well a few years ago. Most dudes are not ready to be unplugged. Some people cant and will refuse the idea because their beta programming is so ingrained in their head. Im sure out of the 250K subscribers maybe 20 - 30 K really understand and change their life style and adapt to the alpha mentality.
One thing I have noticed is ever since more people have subscribed there has been a ton of shitty posts in the last year. I think when I joined there was only 90 K people maybe 100k and every post was on point.
It is to be expected that's the cost of going mainstream hence the recent addition of more mods recently.
ok, then put your money where your mouth is.
Go take a look at many of your friends who are still blue pillers and tell them about TRP.
Report back what happens.
Do this at least 15 times. To get a higher sample size.
Careful what you wish for lol
Exactly if every guy were to spin plates...
Just be careful and start off with soft topics. My approach is to phrase things as questions and not just outright tell my friends RP theory.
Have you ever noticed how... Do you ever think that...
Make it sound like youre asking their opinion on a thought you had. Really easy way to gauge where they are. I have some friends right now that seem like theyre starting to get it. Recently had the "doesnt it feel like youve been doing everything for these girls, breaking your back for nothing in return" discussion. They were very receptive
Just send a link to the sidebar no conversation is needed. The rest will take care of itself if their mind is ready.
Women want everything, the moon, the sun, the stars, the heavens and the earth. They want the tallest, strongest, most aggressive guy that will magically be super safe, understanding, caring, and monogamous no matter what they do. This has been now and forever and it is not inherently bad.
What is bad is the entitlement that has come from literal decades of telling women they can do no wrong and are in fact never wrong. This is why people past a certain age are basically a lost cause. They are too tapped into the matrix Neo, you can't save those men and you can't change those women. Casualties of a war they never knew they were in.
This entitlement has turned a want into an expectation. All women feel entitled to their ideal man, because they have been told since birth they are always right. If you shatter this reality you are an evil man, doing bad man things. A lecture all men grew tired of hearing while growing up.
But most women aren't stupid, they know prince charming died the minute they slapped on those work boots. This same intelligence makes them hold their hand, just because it's a stupid expectation doesn't mean she is going to give up on it, especially when each day it seem as that society is about to deliver on a silver platter. So of course when you sheeply ask of them what they want, this is how they respond. A want based in a reality known only to them as plausible.
Masculinity is fading from men and femininity from women, for a combination of reason, one of which is we have lost our torchbearers. I see it everyday, the women walk more proud then their weak willed boyfriends. You hear the cackles of "hen parties" at bars now more then the bellows of men laughing. Men cower while women walk around in charge of nothing.
Feminism has the core concept right, but their execution is flawed. They seek to delivery the masculinity that women seek, by making them become masculine. They do this because they themselves are not feminine. But as much as feminine women want a strong masculine presence they do not want the responsibility of entering that role, they are not built for that men are.
So it is not because you opened up to a women that she despises you, it is because you entered the feminine sphere before proving your masculinity. You must prove your masculinity because so many men before you have utterly failed to even attempt to. That is you burden, you do not cry about it, you do not bitch about it. You shoulder that shit with a fucking sly grin and a look that says "The minute we are alone with something to bend you over, my dick, your holes, as you scream deeper, harder faster"
Exactly 3 women, other then my mother, have every seen me cry, but never broken. Those 3 women are the same 3 women that constantly ring me up anytime billy beta #14 pisses them off, or wont just toss them up against a wall in passion, or whatever the dominance fantasy of the week is for them.
It is extremely powerful and seductive for a women to be "one of the few" to see that side of masculine man. They know they are on a completely different level then 99% of the women out there with him. But they respect and cherish that because it came but once in a lifetime and was but a flash in the pan among hundreds of thousands of masculine memories they have of that man.
Stopped reading there. Empowering women & taking it away from men is the core problem with society.
Yeah I figured that line would be pretty controversial around here. But actual Feminism isn't about sacrificing men for women, that is just the perversion we have to deal with now.
That's what they say about communism... Oh what we saw just wasn't the real version. Stalin perverted it.
We need to destroy America like yesterday.
Well said, friend. Love it
"We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need."
I couldn't agree more my own mother used to looked at be as a beta when would cry in front of her telling me to stop being such a baby Then the next day tell me everything was alright. I love my mom but she did a terrible job getting me ready for life with woman. Single mom shouldn't raise boys
Buck up boys. You are men and the smarter more civil gender. Women have sexuality and Men have strength. Men, for some reason cast away there strength and ALLOW women to dominate them with there sexuality. Stop being so dam susceptible to women's sexuality. And no I'm not saying go beat up a woman because you're stronger. It's kind of like owning a classic muscle car, you don't wanna rev that engine every chance you get, Just let your engine rumble to remind them it's there.
3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
Proverbs 31 King James Bible
Pretty sure you're all gonna hate me for this but I'm gonna say it anyways. Get over it and move on. Breakups suck but you don't need therapy. You need some freedom and then try again. We are supposed to learn how to deal with rejection early on. Alot of times our parents fail us in this regard so we don't deal with it until we are young adults.
It gets better, period.
As the saying goes "Fuck It and drive on."
Always act like you have a better offer.
Of course it helps if you’re 6ft2 and have a beard and are muscular. Girls always say they want a boy with a pretty face. But height, beard and physique is catnip to them. White, blonde, blue eyed with totally trampy hair works well too. It’s not what they say they want, but it’s what their actions dictate they want.
Oh and be a prick. They don’t know why they love them, but they do.
Don’t pander to pussy. Pussy dries up if you pander to it.
I was a simp until I swallowed TRP and I realised I actually had Chad characteristics, just way to beta-simp actions. I quit acting like I wanted pussy, I got hench, grew out my hair and beard, started being dismissive, did what I wanted.
Chicks love that shit.
You think Clark Gable and Gregory Peck ever told women how wonderful and equal they are, how powerful and independent they are? Fuck no. They were men. They did man things and chicks opened their pussy for a sweet sweet taste of Man.
And what did Rhett do at the end of Gone with the Wind? He fucking walked out, because no woman is worth it.
Robert Palmer was TRP as well. A man. He sang man songs. In the 80s millions of women wet themselves for him. He got 6 hot women to pretend to the band in a video about how a man overpowers a woman in sex. Telling the woman this is what she wants, because it’s true. Red Pill.
TRP needs a hardcore following or about 3-4 million men, that's when the tide will turn.So far so good, I hope the movement grows with the primary focus being self improvement,not fucking these sluts.
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Whatever you linked too I don't know if it was intentional, but it went nowhere.
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To all the people gawking at a quarter million subs, be aware:
That number includes all the accounts that are shadow banned, perm banned, lost interest, lost password, troll accounts, throwaways just to make a comment, etc. It is NOT ACTIVE USERS.
The real number to look at is "swallowing the red pill now", which is 0.62% of total "unplugged", and suggests the active population is closer to 30k-50k.
But let's not keep acting like there's a quarter million red pillers on here.
The fact that they subscribed shows something. Plenty just read and don't subscribe.
That's not the point. The point is, approximately (because sometimes there are duplicate accounts, I get that) 250000 people had to suffer this shit and at some point or another, whether they've moved on or not by now, decided it was a good decision to subscribe to TRP.
You're still hung up on that 250,000 being 250,000 HUMANS, that came here to learn about the redpill.
A significant portion are bots, trolls, shills, and women that come here to cause chaos.
are people actually using throwaways for one question or they just hold multi accounts, to separate dark reddits to PC reddits?
I really don't want to jump through the hoops to post a few links here that you can search for yourself, but yes.
Worse, when RP shows up in the news... we get a flood of trolls and women that sign up to do what they do best.
I don't have the time or inclination, but if you superimposed a timeline of mentions of redpill in the news and correlate to subscribers, you'd see the number jump quite a bit.
"Swallowing the redpill right now" is the number to track.
When it breaks 5000, that'll be something.
I discovered this sub right before I turned 24. Here's to hoping it's not too late for me
Dude you are so fucking young. Relax.
Yep. I was 27 when I found it. Could have been MUCH worse.
I discovered right before I turned 39.
It's not too late, but always think about the amount of awesome girls that I could have fucked if only I had taken the pill just a few years back.
I'm terrified of existing but not living. I'm out of college and my social circle is all but gone. No idea what to do
I know this is going to sound boring, but start investing. #1 LEARN A TECHNICAL TRADE(education of some kind) AND BECOME A MASTER AT IT. Then invest your paychecks: I mean stocks (5% of each paycheck), 401k (at least 3% of each paycheck), Crypto currencies (2-3% of each paycheck) and shovel at least 10% away into a savings/cash every month. That leaves you 80% left of your paycheck to live on. STAY SINGLE AND DONT GIVE AWAY RENT MONEY TO RANDOM IDIOTS. BE GREEDY NOW.
If you do this and keep your head down I promise you'll have more money than you know what to do with by the time you are 30-35. Ironically that will also be the peak value of your life as a man like a 20 year old girl is in value. Women will FLOCK to you at that point. (I'm in that area now in my early 30's) I've got decent cash and a good paycheck and i've worked out for 4 years straight and I've been with >20 women in the last 6 months. (not bragging at all, just saying this is what you have to do and I'm living proof that it works)
Crypto isn't an investment it's gambling, plain and simple.
Ethereum along with a couple other major coins will be soon become one of the worlds most valuable commodities for trading value, stopping censorship, and preserving immutable historical records like we’ve never been capable of before. But don’t believe me, you can do your own research.
id rather invest in gold than crypto
Any advice on what others to invest invest in, Young guy in his 20s needing advice
I can only tell you my strategy: 3% tech stocks, 3% energy stocks, 2% bonds, 2% crypto, 6% 401k retirement plus work matchings to 401k and about 5-10% into another savings account that I never touch only in an emergency or for long term planning like a home down payment.
Also buy a house. Never rent, it pisses money away. Never rent anything always own if possible. Rent seeking is the biggest scam on earth.
Also give to a charity where you know it helps very unfortunate people. It will ground you in humility and give you a huge boost internally that probably has medical value honestly. Plus it feels good to help people
in my country these percents would leave me starving. sad reality
Share it with ALL my male friends. Fuck the system and pigeonholing men into being whiny Pussies.
, Again, careful what you wish for
250,000 white nazi terrorists
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I'm from Pakistan and i love this subreddit.
I was jobless and hopeless before I gave this sub a chance. Now I'm doing fine. Thank you guys.
half of them are here to repost in niceguys and the like
Being open about weaknesses is not necessarily bad. What can be bad is the delivery (crying) or constantly talking about it. Just factually stating you are afraid of (spiders, the dark, your presentation before the bosses,...) won't really hurt much. But if you go on a bout it and have some kind of break-down, well that is a completely different scenario.
I enjoy that more people are finding "light" or knowledge or whatever they're looking for.
It also means this sub is nothing like it was 3 years ago. Increasing the mods seems to be helping, but I can't help but feel the larger audience is forcing this sub down the shitter. I guess that's the price that comes from a larger audience.
Don't think for a minute that all 250,000 people here have taken or are in the process of taking, TRP. The BP/SJW crowd is well represented here, even if they are mostly silent.
Similarly, there are plenty of believers in the atheism subreddit; plenty of liberals in conservative subreddits, etc., etc.
That’s really not much. The Green Bay packers sub has almost as many and the Twoxchromosomes has over a million
This is a result of now two generation of men growing up kept away from their fathers, and the anger and resentment of attention lost is palpable.
Yes, I think the internet is necessary for men. Most men in public are too afraid to call out sexism and love being white knights. So men naturally needed the internet to have enough courage to discuss their ideas that they are too afraid to discuss in person.
This is why the powers that be are moving to either shut the useful bits of the internet down or put in place massive control mechanisms.
It's too bad is not 250 million
We want to be this way, but her instincts, her biology, simply don't allow it. It's simply being beta
There, fixed it for you.
Lol this is true. But to be able to live as a functional member of society, get a job, interact on a normal level with others, you need to be "polite"
Please lookup the definition of polite because it does not mean what you think it does.
For someone espousing the 48 laws of power I shouldn’t have to explain this; but STFU is for more than managing your bitches.
Polite: "from Latin politus ‘polished, made smooth,’", hence the context in which I used it.
enjoy the decline..once it hits rock bottom this sub will lose subs big time.
I'm just here because ya'll showed me being a nice guy was killing my chances at getting women. Not to mention the muscle I've gained since getting 100 recommendations to lift on here.
The subscriber count of this sub has an inverse relationship with the quality of the average post, unfortunately.
I can't stand being in relationships any longer. Benn betrayed too often. So I get to be in a relationship with myself, it seems to be going pretty well.
This sub has plateaud and had its activity slowly slow down.
250000 is nothing in the grand scale of things.
yeah. bitches are crazy and most men are trying to be bitches.
Can anyone give some context to how many this is compared to other large Reddit subs?
I’m just here cause the subreddit was shown on an episode of American Horror Story.
Not just fat, but bitchy, domineering, arrogant and no sweetness.
Women try to apply solutions that would work on women, not men. They don't know the truth as they are confined to their perspective, and they can't provide the evolved masculine energy men need. That comes only from other men.
If you want to bond with other men, you need a common purpose.
There's a darker motivation to wanting you to "open up".
Men manipulate their environment to succeed, and women manipulate men. Given a woman's weaker physical stature, from an evolutionary perspective a woman would have been very unlikely to be able to survive on her own in the harsh ancestral environment or physically take a man on in a combative nature.
Women who possessed an acute psychological manipulation ability survived more than women who didn't; the trait became universal to some extent. When she tells you to "open up" or asks you "what are you thinking?" what she's really doing is attempting to create a more accurate mental model of your psyche so that her manipulation techniques are more astute, accurate and have greater utility.
Always remain a mystery to her, once the mystery has gone then so has any dread and given her firm handhold on your value she can branch swing to the next guy as her loss aversion faculties are mediated.
Think of it like a game of chess. If you have no idea about the value of your opponents pieces (is this guy a pawn or a knight?) then the hypergamic game becomes a lot more difficult to play.
There is one more reason for this that is explained in the betatization process. "Not communicating" is a tell tale sign of fading attraction. The same spark that kept you connected by genuine desire is fading. Essentially she's telling that she doesn't feel as close to you as before. With women's words, you always have to go a couple of layers and look into their mind and behaviour.
Actually in the past, there used to be something called the honeymoon phase in marriages which was usually short lived. That was accepted as a normal thing that happened in all marriages. Eventually an oxytocin powered love develops later on which should grow over time (I am not sure what happens to the sex, but I think back then most couples just pushed on to make the marriage work). I think marriages for the sake of love were quite rare until recent times. Most people just married because they had to and because they had to have kids. You couldn't divorce, so you had to live by principle.
I feel however that in today's climate, because divorce is cheap and nearly always in the woman's favour -- most relationships fail at this point where the honeymoon phase ends, fueled by hypergamy that's become addicted to the thrill of fresh tingles. Another point is after when the kids are somewhat older, and yet another point is after when the kids are grown up and gone (by which point you're in your fifties). All these fit biological patterns seen in the animal kingdom - namely around the time where you'd normally have your first baby, around the time where infant children are old enough that they aren't helpless and at the end of the betaization cycle, and after the children have left the nest. A mini version of this happens in the initial period when she's testing you at the beginning.
I read about this somewhere, it's a good point
Considering that there are a couple billion people comprising “western society,” what does a quarter million subscribers tell you? That no one gives a shit, bud.
It's about growth, not size. We really don't expect many men to swallow the pill. Society has been deep blue for a very, very long time. It would take a tectonic shift to change that. But who knows...
Enjoy the decline.
For every subscriber there are probably 10+ people who read and don't subscribe. The information getting out there is the key, not subscribers.
A backwater subreddit that somehow has half as many subs as t_d. Nothing fishy at all with those numbers..
Edit: t_d should be millions
Yeah, don’t want to be rude, but I subscribe to this thread so I can downvote anything that gets to the front page. I cannot fathom how this subreddit helps men or women, but that’s all cool. I’ll keep downvoting.
Great way for you to waste your life (which to be fair probably isn't worth much anyway).
Sounds like you have a very fulfilling life. Wasting your time at a place you see no point of existing, just so you can anonymously downvote a bunch of stuff. This all on a subreddit where we actively acknowledge the reddit voting system is retarded because people like you exist and actually have nothing better to do with their time then abuse a broken system no one really gives a fuck about.
La-hoo-sa-her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr4dhFqxbJk
Am not here because i think this sub is on point. I just like reading and laughing at the misinterpreted emotions.
I may have taken you seriously if you left out the middle paragraph.