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Double standards [x-post /r/TumblrInAction, u/ArtGamer]

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May 8, 2015

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Title	Double standards [x-post /r/TumblrInAction, u/ArtGamer]
Author	synergy_19
Upvotes	1243
Comments	179
Date	May 8, 2015 11:04 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/35a1uq/double_standards_xpost_rtumblrinaction_uartgamer/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/double-standards-x-post-rtumblrinaction-uartgamer.980862 https://theredarchive.com/post/980862

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[–]Whisper 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Wow... hook, line and sinker.

Lemme explain something to you, son. GLO is playing you. And he's playing you to prove a very specific point. You see, when he presses you and gets you rattled, how you chose to respond reveals something about you. In this case, you accuse him of being a "misogynist" who "doesn't see women as human", and a "psycho".

Does that sound familiar at all?

It should. Because those are exactly the weapons that feminists have chosen against /r/mensrights. Which supports what he said, in a deliberately inflammatory style, right up front: You are imitating the feminist movement even as you think you oppose it.

Your opposition takes the same form as the feminist movement, you see. It is a public appeal for understanding and fairness. Unconsciously, /r/MensRights is aping the feminist movement, because it desires the same sort of results women got: sympathy and support, and a dismantling of their roles and responsibilities.

You "dream of women feeling your feel". You collectively believe that, if only you can be persuasive enough, you will gain sympathy. The whole reason that /r/MensRights feels a need to exist in the first place is because feminists fucked things up, but you are proceeding forward using their exact strategy.

I foresee a future where the two movements vie to dive onto the turf and writhe in the most convincing pain, trying to get the referee to issue the other a red card. In fact, I don't need to foresee it, because it's the present. And what has been pointed out to you, which so far you have missed, is that the fact that you are engaging in this particular kind of contest is a result of a deep emasculation of the soul, self-inflicted upon our culture by the men of previous generations who gave in to feminism.

Why on earth would you look to women's example for how to win a culture war? What worked for them will not work for you. Instead of writhing on the turf and shooting meaningful glances at the referee, laugh at the women who are, as you run past and keep scoring goals.

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That's some grade-A mental gymnastics buddy. Seriously, asking "what is a sexist."

It's pretty simple, it's just prejudice against a sex. Generalizing something that isn't universally true about a group of people is prejudice.

I even quoted him GLO to prove my point when I called him out.

Anyone saying anything along the lines of " all women without men to guide them will run into problems" is sexist. Now, is it true that some women do need someone else in their life to guide them? Maybe, I'm sure that's true of some men as well.

It's just like someone who says "without women in their lives men would be reduced to living in filth and squalor."

How can you not understand that?

As a redpiller, your views on what is acceptable and not sexist are apparently pretty warped, hell, I bet you don't see a problem with sexism, but generalizing that women are incapable of having satisfying lives without unnecessary problems resulting from them being women, without men to guide them, is sexist as fuck.

But I don't expect you to understand that.

[–]Whisper2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I understand precisely.

I am just at a loss as to how to show you your own unexamined assumptions so that you can actually see them. When you say things like "prejudice against", "generalizing", and "sexist", you are caught in a trap. Someone else has designed symbols for you to think with, and given them specific meanings. This someone else has an agenda.

The Lego blocks that you build your thoughts out of were chosen for you. If you don't examine them and pick them apart, then this preselection will continue to control what you can and cannot think.

For example, you use the word "sexist" a lot. This word was invented by feminists, and you were taught to use it. It means all of the following things simultaneously:

Belief that the sexes behave differently.
Belief that the sexes should behave differently.
Belief that one sex is superior to the other.
Belief that one sex should have different rights or treatment than the other.
Belief that the sexes have different capabilities
Being wrong
Being evil

Because feminists have created a term "sexist" which glues all these concepts together, you are agreeing with their agenda (in this respect), every time you use the word.

This is why you assume that to prove someone wrong, you need only prove them "sexist". Because your Legos are glued together.

Pry them apart. Examine each proposition individually. This is what I am asking you to do.

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I have even fewer rights than a woman when it comes to reproductive rights. I was circumcised at birth. My former S.O. decided to have an abortion when she was pregnant with my child. I had no input in either of those decisions.

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[+]TKfromCLE 11 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree that I shouldn't have the right to force her to carry a child that she doesn't want, even if I was okay with raising he child on my own. But there should be something in place to level the field for men. If the tables were turned and she kept a child that I didn't want, I would be sued for child support, but there no equivalent action that I could take. This scarred me; it led to the end of our marriage, I no longer have the desire to be a parent, and it was one of many reasons that put me into a depressive state. But there is no protection in place for me. I couldn't sue, I have no legal recourse. I just have to "man up" and deal.

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A woman should be able to get an abortion without your input. Being pregnant is a major life event and from all I've gathered it really sucks.

Not when the man is going to be held financially responsible for the child if she keeps it.

If the father is going to be forced to pay alimony for the child if he doesn't want to be the father of it, then he has to have a say in the abortion.

The rights are unequal if a father is responsible for a child at conception, but a woman is only responsible at birth.

Either alimony for a father who did not want the child but the mother did needs to be severely limited to rape cases. Or men have to have a say in abortion decisions.

To argue any different is to argue for unfair rights based on gender. Which is obviously counter to the statement, "I support equal rights for both genders." It then morphs into, "I support equal rights for both genders, unless it benefits me to not have equal rights."

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You can't devolve it to "They call themselves that, so we can generalize."

History Lesson: The Byzantine Empire was actually just the Eastern Roman Empire, but Historians all agreed that changing their name is to clarify because they changed so much from the Western Roman Empire, because they wanted to make it easy for everyone to understand. The last Emperor to speak Latin was Justinian I, and then after him they all just spoke Greek. Their government ideology changed dramatically and even they're religion to being orthodoxy.

Why am I telling you this? Because it's the same thing. We need to clarify that this Psuedo-Feminism is NOT Feminism. Hence the name. It's not just strayed from the path, it's changed into an extremism. Gender Supieriority instead of Equality. (Also you can look at Communism as a good example. We call them by different names because they aren't technically Communism. Like: Leninism, Stalinism, Troskyism, and Maoism.)

Although, I understand your point. I just wanted to explain why I disagree with you. It's still a good opinion.

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Most people see prison rape as a feature of the system rather than a problem. Even people close to me joke about "dropping the soap". Really bugs me. And when a female rapes a male, it's classified in a different category in the gov't stats, such as "made to penetrate". And all these cases you see where a female teacher rapes a male student, people say the student must be "gay" if he complained and say he should count himself lucky. The news articles about them are more likely to call it a "relationship" than a rape or even sexual assault.

Even myself, when my ex wanted to have sex, we were having it no matter how much I said no. Especially if she was drunk. Despite having about 75 pounds on me, she was a horrible drunk. She'd just get on top and ride, and it would hurt, and I'd just think about leaving her in the night, but then I didn't want to lose her kids that I loved as my own. I'd only "go along" with it enough to prevent her from bending my dick too far the wrong way.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if males are raped just as often as females, maybe even more.

[–]UnityNow 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's important to realize also that many of the statistics we see are based on arrests and/or convictions and/or prison populations. Men are arrested and convicted far more often for the same crimes than women are. Also, men are given far longer sentences for the same crimes as women are. So any stats based on arrests/convictions/prison populations will always be extremely skewed by an already discriminatory system.

Also, most of the stats we see include false rape claims as if they're legitimate, with no accounting for even the possibility that some rape claims are false, even though top police and military police officials have stated that they've found that up to 60% of all rape claims made by women are false, with a full 27% of those claims found to be false because the women eventually admitted it.

Here are some great stats, including some false rape statistics.

Here's a great article about how skewed rape statistics are.

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I was reading from the inbox so I missed part of the quote. But either way, holy crap, why does it matter so much to you? You're not the OP and I didn't comment on anything you said. So what the hell is the problem? Are you the comment police? Gtfo.

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I was reading from the inbox so I missed part of the quote. But either way, holy crap, why does it matter so much to you? You're not the OP and I didn't comment on anything you said. So what the hell is the problem? Are you the comment police? Gtfo.

Wow.

First, what does reading from your inbox have to do with what I said?

It doesn't matter a bunch really, just watching TV with my kids and posting to reddit.

You realize that this is an open forum and when you make a comment, others may comment on it.

This is the nature of this website.

If you do not wish to have the thoughts you have written commented on or critiqued, then you may wish to refrain from putting them out there for others to read.

Again, your gender has nothing to do with this comment and adds nothing to your statement.

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