For anyone seeking closure on the "10 Hours of Walking..."-debacle, this user perfectly describes how the original video downplays harassment and modern "feminists" have shot themselves in the foot with it.

ipeeinappropriately · 2014-11-08T05:46:41+00:00

I'm a decently well off, well dressed white man. If I were to record the number of unwanted solicitations from beggars and hawkers I encounter walking down the street in New York, it would be comparable to this woman's experience. But if I talked about how those solicitations made me feel uncomfortable because they made me think I might be mugged or attacked, I'd be called a racist. I've had guys follow me for a long distances, I've had asshole gangbangers harass me, I've even been mugged. I don't act like this shit is emblematic of some deeper societal problem that I am a victim of. If anything, it's emblematic of an economic system that disadvantages certain people who then feel the need to respond with violent crime.

hmasing · 2014-11-08T00:47:11+00:00

You misunderstand.

When men do it, it's because of patriarchy and the fact that we are animals.

When women do it, it's because of patriarchy and they are breaking out of it and empowering themselves against the patriarchy.

420ish · 2014-11-08T02:44:29+00:00

Where's a link to the guy walking around? I can't find it.

Edit: found it. http://elitedaily.com/news/world/man-harassed-walking-nyc-streets/823677/

TheRealMouseRat · 2014-11-07T23:38:12+00:00

but they aren't trying to stop catcalling. they are just trying to create an outrage that they can use to vilify men even more.

AloysiusC · 2014-11-08T06:25:14+00:00

One problem with this entire discussion is that both sexes have a hard time empathizing with the other sex - because their circumstances are so different. Women have no clue what it's like to be a man and be invisible and have to do everything to even be noticed. For men, the idea of getting such attention is therefore "wow, I wish I had it". Likewise men have no clue what it's like to be a woman. The constant advances are quickly taken for granted and start to get tiring.

Though women have more control over their situation than men. If you don't want this kind of attention, you can easily downplay your looks (shave your head for example), but for men it's nearly impossible to get such attention no matter what they do.

So trying to be as objective as possible, I'm going to have to pass on showering women with more sympathy given that they're already drenched in it anyway.

edit: typo

SnackBeer · 2014-11-08T00:30:27+00:00

Everything that person is saying is correct.

However, I especially enjoyed the proper use of the colloquialism "You cant eat your cake and have it too". Far to many people screw that up.

jp9114 · 2014-11-08T12:23:06+00:00

I'm not saying there aren't issues, of course there are issues with sexism and misogyny. However, I just can't get my head round the sort of hard line feminism I always come across on the internet. They'd probably laugh at me and call me ignorant, because that be what they do, but all I know is that there are women in my life (my mother, sisters, friends, hell even a couple of ex's) whom I love and respect and admire each in different and unique ways. There are also women in my life who I think are total and complete fucking morons. I avoid these, much like I avoid these videos.

My mum grew up in the 50s and started working late 60s/early 70s and she tells me stories of work place sexism that genuinely shock me, she's an old school feminist and I completely understand why. I also concede that there are still big challenges facing women in the modern day. Having said that, it's also worth pointing out that demonising every man and cynically editing video footage isn't going to help you in your struggle against these challenges. I'm your brother, you're my sister, trust me... I'm not trying to rape you. Let's make the world a better place together.

SirSkeptic · 2014-11-08T01:01:52+00:00

I particularly liked the part where it showed the number of views.

UtahStateAgnostics · 2014-11-08T09:18:33+00:00

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gsettle · 2014-11-08T13:58:05+00:00

The video was, by-and-large, feminist BS. Someone saying "Good morning" is NOT harassment. If someone had asked her if she wanted to play "Wheelbarrow" now THAT would be harassment.

2014-11-08T16:32:49+00:00

...if the data's bad, then don't manipulate it to suit your needs.

HAHA, ya...good luck with that.

PaulyMcBee · 2014-11-08T02:23:16+00:00

Item #1,on that list. Exactly what I thought after viewing the video.

indian_galileo · 2014-11-08T06:51:20+00:00

teenagejesussuperstr - fighting for gender equality

warspite88 · 2014-11-08T13:42:11+00:00

great comment and great follow up video

sadly we have a bunch of white knight tools in government and leadership positions that are afraid or bought off by feminists. so when it comes to law and public policy, feminist scare tactics like this and more so the feminist lobby machine (many womens groups as well) will follow through and do what feminists want...has been going on for 40 years, wont change anytime soon until there is serious backlash in the form of protests in the street and not just internet backlash

Spyder_J · 2014-11-08T16:33:06+00:00

Comment #5 really nails it.

joobtastic · 2014-11-08T02:40:56+00:00

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oh_hai_dan · 2014-11-08T02:13:25+00:00

The original 10 hours video was supposed to be serious? I laughed it off because it was pretty much meaningless.

Suramacon · 2014-11-08T11:44:12+00:00

Feminists are hypocrites. Equality my ass

thedylbear · 2014-11-08T14:26:10+00:00

I teach multiple classes with most of my students being from NYC and had a discussion about cat-calling right before this video came out (discussion was relevant because I teach a multicultural class). I polled all three of my classes and asked who had been cat-called before, and every girl in the class (of every shape and size) raised their hand. I asked how many had ever felt the experience was positive and no one said they thought it was. Many students even talked about how unsafe many of the experiences made them feel and how certain people would touch them, call them names when they didn't respond, etc. I think that if the majority of women don't like something and certain men continue to do so that's harassment, whether or not they have done it to that particular woman before. I'm really curious why men who do cat-call see it as not disrespectful when so many women clearly don't like it in any form. While I believe a majority of men don't cat-call (I personally struggle with saying hello being defined as cat-calling so I will exclude men who do that) and thus not all men should be blamed for it I think when feminists talk about the patriarchy they are not only talking about the men who do these things but the men and women who tolerate this behavior. I think that saying it's women's problem that they are uncomfortable and not appreciative of these interactions is not helpful as this video is so popular simply because so many women identify with it. I am not trying to raise a stink, just wanted to point out a different perspective based on my classes' reactions.

jonipetteri · 2014-11-08T16:51:41+00:00

I highly doubt the one guy was being "socially clueless" about what he was doing. It seemed like a genuine attempt at intimidation.

Aliusx11 · 2015-01-06T20:22:44+00:00

MAN Number 5 was THE BEST Answer Tho.....Woooo Straight Fire And Facts At The Same Time!!! #RealMVP

studystudystudyyy · 2014-11-08T12:51:12+00:00

I don't understand this subreddit. I thought it was about rising above the petty gender based arguing and actually about gender equality. I thought this was simply a place for people to promote the male side of what "feminism" aims to do. We should be talking about men's issues like emotional insecurity and not trying to critique the stupid arguments on youtube videos. What you are doing is just circlejerking the anti-feminazi bullshit. Why?

studystudystudyyy · 2014-11-08T12:46:00+00:00

I would consider a random stranger saying "hey beautiful" to be harassment personally. I'm not saying that is a particularly hurtful thing to say but it does make people very uncomfortable.

Bobwayne17 · 2014-11-08T05:08:39+00:00

I still can't believe a video filled with so many normal, everyday greetings is getting so much attention. It's sickening to me.

I really hope society can somehow move closer to being "friendly" instead of moving further apart, to when the only time it's okay to say hi to someone is when they are at a bar or party. Sad.

JackBadass · 2014-11-08T08:46:21+00:00

I bet this comment has a bunch of negative, ignorant replies.

-PlanetCaravan- · 2014-11-08T03:15:36+00:00

5 is just embarrassing after he makes all those valid points.

Gawrsh · 2014-11-08T18:10:41+00:00

All that "10 hours walking in NYC" video did was to put this Shoshanna chick on the map of the internet. Like that Sarkeesian who keeps attacking video game and how it's brainwashing boys. How much money you wanna bet, this Shoshanna is sitting at her home twirling her hair while smiling like a narcissist, psycho every time her name pops up on her computer? I know she is just an actor (and that she looks like an angry, disproportionate midget who has been enlarged to regular size) but, I bet someone will attack her video, she will call it misogyny, and will be drowning in media attention (an thus money) - even get a TV interview or two.

I know this is how women function - not all, but a lot of them. I grew with a lot of sisters. And one of my sisters' strategy in childhood while our playful battles was to get all in my face and say extremely mean things or even hit/push me, and if I retaliated, she would be all tears, and go back to mom telling that I hit her. What did I get from my mom - "Never hit a girl! or do you want me tell your father about this?"

Women are psychos. Period.

Madlibsluver · 2014-11-08T04:31:07+00:00

I mean, I love what this guy said.

But I could see how most of the "Good morning" came off as creepy.

But then again, like the guy said, they were being creepy. It would be harassment if they kept saying it. Or got up in her face.

Allen139 · 2014-11-08T01:31:29+00:00

Interesting

SpecOps2000 · 2014-11-08T02:11:15+00:00

Couldn't have said it better myself

2014-11-08T02:33:56+00:00

Amazing points made on YouTube of all places.

Mild111 · 2014-11-08T10:00:03+00:00

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5 is just embarrassing after he makes all those valid points.