Woman Steals Ex-Boyfriend’s Sperm, Has Twins, Sues For Child Support…and WINS!

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If the state enforces child support on the basis of DNA, then the father is potentially liable to payments.

Right. And that should not be the case. That's the truly immoral part - being forced into legal parenthood against his will.

If you enjoy analogies, then consider the fact that dangerous driving is a crime regardless of whether or not someone is hurt.

Dangerous driving has a very high risk of leading to an injury to yourself or others. A woman taking a used condom and never again being a part of the man's life has virtually no risk of leading to harm.

We disliked your comment because it is ridiculous. As icpierre points out, you ignored the emotional aspect of having a child somewhere in the world that you have no idea about.

There is no emotional aspect of something that you don't know about. For there to be a crime, there must be harm done. If something harms no one and does not carry any significant chance of doing harm, it tends not to be a crime.

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Right. And that should not be the case.

And yet, being that it is the case, it should be treated accordingly - as rape.

Your logic would seem to indicate that it's perfectly okay to engage in non-consensual sex with someone so long as you don't get them pregnant - or ask for child support. It's only rape if you get them pregnant, right? That is what you're saying. Plying them with alcohol until they pass out and then raping them is okay, so long as they never remember what happened? I personally don't see this as being any different from slipping a ruphie into someone's drink.

You don't seem to care, or understand, that men care about their children and potential children. On a deeply personal, emotional level. You're really dehumanizing men in what you're saying. And it's not just about rape - as is the case here. It's about every kind of deception possible, whether it's a cheating lover having someone else's baby or an estranged lover putting kids up for adoption by denying the biological father the right to even know about their existence. No matter how you look at it, you can't keep it a secret and think that's okay.

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Your logic would seem to indicate that it's perfectly okay to engage in non-consensual sex with someone so long as you don't get them pregnant - or ask for child support. It's only rape if you get them pregnant, right? That is what you're saying.

What the hell? Absolutely not. I don't know where in the world you got that idea from.

You don't seem to care, or understand, that men care about their children and potential children. On a deeply personal, emotional level. You're really dehumanizing men in what you're saying.

I have no idea where you're getting this from. If someone out there has similar genetics to yours and you never know about them, what does it matter to you? Lots of people have pretty similar genes anyway. If this happened to me, there would be one more average height brown-haired white person in the world. Why would I care about that? There are lots of those already, and it doesn't harm me.

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I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Buying gas : arson :: stealing semen : forcing someone into wage slavery

You're saying she wasn't arrested because her only crime was stealing semen/buy gas, but clearly the woman in question didn't just steal sperm/buy gas, she also enslaved a guy/burned down his house.

Obviously you and I both know that forcing a man into wage slavery currently isn't a crime. No argument there. Clearly, we also agree that being able to do so is also wrong, and such a thing should not be allowed. It's just bad public policy. Again, we appear to be in agreement.

However, the point of the compare and contrast between the two cases is to point out a double standard, and there is where it seems we part ways.

You're trying to use an arbitrary distinction to say the double standard doesn't exist - that what she did was somehow materially different in a relevant way from what he did - when clearly the double standard does exist. Deceptive male sexual practices that lead to pregnancy result in jail time, whereas deceptive female sexual practices that lead to pregnancy result in rewards.

Actually, now that I think about it, to make the analogy even better, I'd change it to:

buying black market rohypnol : drugging someone's drink :: stealing semen : forced wage slavery

No one is harmed by either act itself, but (unlike gasoline) there are no legit uses for black market rohypnol or stolen semen.

I was describing a situation in which no one is harmed in any way.

Except the guy being forced into wage slavery, of course.

No houses being burned down.

Just like if I poke holes in condoms and no one gets pregnant, right?

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Buying gas : arson :: stealing semen : forcing someone into wage slavery

OK, great. And what I'm saying is the first side of each comparison should not be a crime, and the second side should be.

You're trying to use an arbitrary distinction to say the double standard doesn't exist - that what she did was somehow materially different in a relevant way from what he did - when clearly the double standard does exist.

But this is due to biology, and not our laws. The fact that pregnancy can occur in only one gender is not a legal double standard.

Deceptive male sexual practices that lead to pregnancy result in jail time, whereas deceptive female sexual practices that lead to pregnancy result in rewards.

The reward part is the double standard. It stems from the fact that women can opt out of parenthood, and men can't. That's the thing that needs to be fixed here.

Except the guy being forced into wage slavery, of course.

Taking the semen isn't what forced him into wage slavery. Using the legal system as a tool to steal his money is. As I said, that's the thing that needs to be fixed.

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Most of Support Enforcements work is in behalf of welfare recipients. As mentioned above, we also collect for non-welfare caretakers. If they're not on welfare they need to hire a private attorney go to Family Court and obtain a Child Support Order before we'll do anything.

If they are on welfare, the process starts when the child's caretaker (mother) first applies. They are required to interview with Support Enforcement Officer (by phone) and sign an Assignment Form giving all child support collections to the State. If we collect more in support than she receives in welfare she's given the surplus and put off welfare. Support Enforcement continues collecting for her.

For welfare cases Support Enforcement opens an Absent Parent file, locates AP using interview info and legally unlimited tracking ability. Our office attorney/administrator then passes the file to the State Attorney General's office.

Assistant Attorney General notifies Absent Parent (father) of the pending Family Court action. A state Social Worker visits the child's caretaker (mother) and makes custody and support determination. Social Worker gives a signed recommendation to Family Court. Family Court Judge makes current custody determination and signs Temporary Support Order. TSO is sent on to Support Enforcement, and we collect on it.

Support Enforcement collects whatever the court order says, no more, no less. Where the system gets bent is in Family Court.

In 5 years I worked for DSHS literally every Social Worker custody recommendation was that children should go with the mother, and Family Court Judge signed off on it. Didn't matter if mother was a drug-addicted street walker and father was a fully employed career worker; the mother was given legal custody "in case she turned her life around". In our region Social Workers and Family Court Judges were all older women.

After observing Family Court in action I got a vasectomy, while single and in my 20s.

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As far as I know he never admitted lying but his story was not very beleivable when compared to the mothers's and clinic's story. I beleive the fertility clinic threatened to come after him with legal fees if he continued to say things they could prove to be lies, and that is why the guy suddenly stopped talking to the media. What was damming was that he had a request from the fertility clinic for blood work. He could not explain the blood work and how/why it got to the fertility clinic.

There were also discrepancies about wether he and the mother were common law husband wife or not, and how long the relationship lasted. He admittedly added her on to his medical insurance purchased through his employer. he claimed her as his wife and she was using his last name. This is why his insurance paid for the fertility treatment. It would be easy to prove as to wether they considered themselves spouses by looking at how they filed taxes, filled out forms, which last name she used, etc. He claims it was a 6 month relationship and that she conceived after they broke up and after he moved out. She claims they were together much longer and that they lived together during the fertility treatments, pregnancy, and afterwards. This could be substantiated by investigating who's names the household utilities were in and who and how the utilities got paid and where his mail was sent to, and if he could prove he paid rent or utilities at another household.

I think the biggest factor was that the fertility clinic claims they do have his signature(s). if it is legitimate his, there would likely be a hand print if they wanted to go that far in the investigation. They also claim he paid for fertility prescriptions with his credit card. This man would have had monthly statements from 3 sources indicating that he was financing fertility treatment. It is hard to believe that he never looked over his medical insurance statements, statements from the fertility clinic or his credit card statements.

Sorry, I dont have sources. This happened in my area and was featured on the local news. I think the mother posted her story on her facebook page - but that was several years ago.

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Title	Woman Steals Ex-Boyfriend’s Sperm, Has Twins, Sues For Child Support…and WINS!
Author	CallMeTwain
Upvotes	229
Comments	112
Date	October 2, 2014 1:01 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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