"Men doing it to other men"

helloiseeyou2020 · 2021-09-01T23:41:51+00:00

It's literally muh black on black crime, for feminists. The motives are identical.

dingoperson2 · 2021-09-02T00:40:48+00:00

You're absolutely right.

If a man has been stabbed in a disagreement, how does the gender of the perpetrator matter when it comes to:

the depth of the wound and the harm done
the pain felt when it happened
the time to recover from the harm
the need for mental support to deal with the trauma
the need for physical and monetary support to help with tasks no longer easy, like working or moving around,

?

SprinklesFancy5074 · 2021-09-02T06:18:13+00:00

Why does your "empathy" end when it's being done by someone of the same group?

Identity politics.

Because you are defined only by your identity, if someone of the same identity is doing it to you, you're effectively doing it to yourself.

This is your brain on identity politics.

thereslcjg2000 · 2021-09-01T22:30:40+00:00

Of course, conservatives have their own equivalent, namely the justification of stereotypes of black people as well as issues of poverty, drugs, etc. in black communities by claiming that black people are putting it on themselves. The fact that pretty much all mainstream leftists are able to recognize the issues with that framework only makes it more maddening to me that they’re so happy to adapt it themselves in other contexts.

iainmf · 2021-09-02T01:07:01+00:00

Steelman of their position:

Violence against women by men is worse than violence against men by men because social structures, attitudes, and culture that oppress women means that women victims face additional barriers to getting help and justice.

Violence against women by men has the impact of suppressing and limiting women's lives by reinforcing gender stereotypes of subservient women and dominate men.

Of course, that reasoning relies on the assumption that society oppresses women.

And as I often say, one injustice does not negate another.

ParanoidAgnostic · 2021-09-02T03:31:01+00:00

Ultimately, a lot of pop-feminism is just a moral battle of the sexes dressed up as progressive activism. The whole point is beliving that women are morally superior to men or perhaps that men owe women some sort of social debt.

All that matters in this world view is what men do to women and what women do to men. Men harming men doesn't affect the score. We get a +1 for the victim and a -1 for the villain.

When you try to discuss male victims. What these people hear is that you're trying to change the score. They assume you must be trying to balance the social debt men owe women (in their mind) or maybe even trying to argue that the debt is going in the opposite direction.

They are arguing that it's men and not women who get the -1 for being the villain because that's all that matters to them.

YesAmAThrowaway · 2021-09-02T06:09:26+00:00

They do it because it lets them ignore it by equating the victim to the perpetrator, stripping both of their individuality, agency and personal responsibility. It's victim blaming.

2021-09-01T22:51:19+00:00

As long as their ideology depends on victim blaming then they will keep on repeating this, in group bias is an instinct which is hard for them to resist.

FinallyReborn · 2021-09-02T02:35:00+00:00

You can spin this around and apply it to their logic in many ways, I could really go on and on here...

Women appropriate domestic violence and violence against women more than men do in third world countries.
Women support FGM and hijabs more than men, along with other religious and traditional means of "suppressing" female sexuality.
Female judges and juries are less likely to convict a rapist and believe a female "victim" of rape in court, hence women are the one's appropriating the mythical "rape culture".
Women are the majority of sexual traffickers (at least in Australia).
Lesbian couples have the highest rates of domestic and sexual violence.

BloomingBrains · 2021-09-02T07:49:23+00:00

In addition to the reasons you pointed out, the very logic itself de-personalizes the group you're using it on. Because as far as I can tell, the thought process goes something like this: "if you complain about having cigarette burns, but you are the one who gave yourself the cigarette burns, then you have no right to complain. Just stop burning yourself."

So in other words, they see men as a monolithic group. Almost like one singular hive mind. We are just a "you" to them and therefore every bad thing done by a male to another male is just us doing it to ourselves, because we're all one entity.

"Othering" is a word often employed by the sorts of people who make this argument, but turning one group into a monolith and then assigning collective guilt based on that is the foundation of bigotry. Isn't this the same exact logic Hitler used against the Jews?

Cearball · 2021-09-02T02:10:34+00:00

I often see it as a not even subtle dog whistle to hate on men even more.

needletothebar · 2021-09-02T01:05:14+00:00

my thought is it sounds a LOT like the "black on black crime" argument we hear from conservatives.

feminists probably won't want to hear that, tho. LOL

No_Divide3403 · 2021-09-02T03:28:19+00:00

Men cannot be victims. Men cannot be victimized. Men are only perpetrators. Men are ALWAYS wrong. Men are ALWAYS bad. Don't you get it?

Driftlight · 2021-09-02T08:55:51+00:00

The main factor for me is how do men find themselves in conflict? Society imposes the male dominance hierarchy because it has required men to work or fight tirelessly for centuries. Young men involved in crime are simply another aspect of men being valued according to the work they do and so often choosing dangerous jobs because they pay the most - this applies in the 'informal economy' the same as elsewhere.

day5tar · 2021-09-02T15:48:49+00:00

It’s used as a scape goat to manipulate, victim blame and invalidate men

bombarclart · 2021-09-02T11:19:43+00:00

The best (worst) one is always the old ‘it’s men’s own fault anyway’ in response to men’s issues. LOL.

WeEatBabies · 2021-09-02T13:43:44+00:00

They need to google : "Violence by proxy" ;)

HPUnicorn · 2021-09-02T14:37:35+00:00

Black people who die to gun violence don't matter because it was done to them by other black people.

Isn't that the exact thing that is occurring in the BLM movement though.

MGTOWO_O · 2021-09-04T09:17:02+00:00

✨Victim Blaming ✨

TheRabbitTunnel · 2021-09-02T00:51:23+00:00

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Title	"Men doing it to other men"
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Date	September 1, 2021 9:51 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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