It's interesting how it's almost always "men are afraid of approaching these days, they don't know how to talk to women" and never "women have become such and such and it is destroying society"

KrazyJazz · 2023-08-04T10:51:59+00:00

Men are not afraid. They just don't bother anymore after decades of insults, put-downs and mistreatment. Men are not "intimidated", they are bored, disgusted and fed-up.

No-Knowledge-8867 · 2023-08-04T12:15:09+00:00

I heard a good discussion once about how society's "objectification" of women actually leads to women's lack of accountability because an object is an inanimate entity and inanimate entities can't be held responsible for actions.

The opposite of an object (female) is an agent (male).

Agents are always seen to be imparting influence on the world and objects. Hence, men are always held responsible for all the ills of the world.

Intelligent-Term · 2023-08-04T10:55:33+00:00

I'm 52 years old, and as far back as I can remember there was this saying "Whatever is hers is hers, and whatever is yours is also hers."

It was supposed to be a joke that men all laughed at because they know it's true. And it was like that with my ex wife. The rare time that she had a job, she kept all the money she made in a separate account and never spent it. All bills and everything came out of my paycheck.

"You pay for that p*ssy one way or another."

bottleblank · 2023-08-04T11:30:21+00:00

I grew up learning these things, as a sensitive boy/young man who had mild Asperger's Syndrome:

I am considered weird and/or creepy
Creepy people are not welcome
I am not welcome

These things, with time and effort, I can overcome. I would argue that I already have overcome them, to a great degree. I have matured, I have come to understand things a little more, I have come to terms with the fact that whatever remaining weirdness I still display is me, and that's OK. I don't want to be around people who don't accept me for who I am, I've spent far too long putting up with shit being dumped on me (because I had no choice), and I don't have time for that any more.

But, you see, while I was busy working on myself, regaining some self-respect, and teaching myself that I do belong and I do deserve a place in this world, society was busy ratcheting up the difficulty, so where I'm personally at now is where the world was 20 years ago.

Now it's not good enough for me to have established that I'm me, I'm fine, I'm good enough, that I'm not a disgusting sack of shit who shouldn't be around anybody, because those new rules now consider any minor error or masculine desire to be a crime, things which even normal, capable, experienced men do. Now I'm getting over the school bullying, the social rejection, the long period of time stuck with abusive parents, I have to contend with... the same situation all over again. Except this time it isn't just school kids or my parents, it's the fucking police and government.

When you stack these things on top of the social rules I learnt as a bullied kid, without sufficient experience to know that it really is OK to be a sexually active man or having seen first-hand proof that women do want sex and relationships, it begins to look like a total impossibility:

Men only want one thing (therefore every approach is an attempt to gain sex)
Women are tired of being hit on (and per the first point every man must be trying to do that)
If you do that anyway, or she perceives that you're doing it, it's misogyny, objectification, and harassment
Misogyny and harassment are crimes
Ergo, if I approach, I am approaching for sex, which is objectifying, which is misogynistic, which is socially unacceptable and illegal

I was already predisposed to the idea that my presence was unwelcome, for reasons which weren't my fault, which I've had to spend immense mental effort getting through and getting over, but now they've raised the stakes. Just for the fact that I have a dick in my pants and might (shock, horror) actually want to be with somebody (like everybody else is, who must therefore be breaking those rules, and women must be encouraging/accepting that), if somebody takes a dislike to me, which I know people have done in my past (which, again, was not necessarily my fault), I am automatically presumed to be no better than a rapist.

Not just in the eyes of that one person (which I could accept, because crazy people exist and I can't change that), but in the eyes of broader society which has adopted these rules and authorities who have ultimate power to deprive me of my freedom.

I'm quite sure that most women don't think this way. But that's not the issue any more, that's what I spent all that time coming to terms with. I can be social and I can speak to women, I know, because I've quite comfortably done it before, even when I was struggling.

No, the problem now is that whether women themselves take offense to my presence or interest or not, I can still be smeared, lynched, arrested, or even potentially dragged through court, simply because I expressed an interest or opinion that wasn't politically correct enough. Which no longer just means that you've been blatantly racist or sexist or homophobic like it used to, no, now it includes "existing in possession of a penis".

I can overcome my own personal issues. I can change the way I view the world and the people in it. But I can't "fight the system". I can't argue with the police and the government on this. I've barely become a functional adult at this point, still fighting off the demons of my abuse and trying to regain what I lacked for so long. I don't have the resources or the smarts to learn to weather that storm. I can handle fucking things up, I can handle a woman saying no thank you, I can handle not getting a lot of dates, I can handle risk in relationships. They suck, but I can handle them.

But I can't handle the threat of being perceived as a sexual criminal by society or by the law. I just can't. I can't put myself in a position to feel as though I'm causing harm, I can't put myself in a position to feel as though I'm likely to get smeared or punished for that perceived harm, I can't afford that bet, the stakes are too high.

phoenician_anarchist · 2023-08-04T11:00:21+00:00

Same as how men are "intimidated" by "strong, independent, assertive, women"...

Once you see all of the framing... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 🤣

legend0102 · 2023-08-04T14:43:00+00:00

Be man Want to experience sex because why not Must be aggressive as a man Be labeled as a creep

Cant win. The problem is when someone starts talking shit behind your back and pool of available women reduces since you are the “predator”.

Worldly_Piano9526 · 2023-08-04T13:21:59+00:00

I think too many people are blaming porn for competing against approaching women, and not enough people are asking why porn is able to compete against approaching women in the first place...

People need to sit down, and think, for two seconds "If men are choosing pictures over real women; what does that say about women?" porn has always existed and prostitution was cheap and legal once upon a time... Neither of which has ever done any significant damage to the institution of marriage... Feminism comes on the scene and suddenly there are millions of bastard children running around in a world where men would prefer dirty pictures over having a family... but nah, it's the porn's fault...

Take the porn... Men still won't date these modern 304s...

wwwhistler · 2023-08-04T14:42:47+00:00

just now i Googled "Problems that are the fault of men" and got hit after hit on problems attributed exclusively to men. studies, discussions, blog posts and articles, all opining on the problem...

then i Googled "Problems that are the fault of women"

i got a list of sites discussing the problems women Faced. not a single hit on anything that even suggests women are to blame or the cause of any problems at all.

try it yourself.....the difference is striking and quite illuminating.

Diesel-66 · 2023-08-04T14:47:29+00:00

Listening to all the complaints, there are zero places for me to approach a woman that I don't know.

I was lucky to find my wife from a party. We ended up being friends for months and it turned into a lot more.

NCC-1701-1 · 2023-08-04T19:38:52+00:00

All the left, the simps, AND the traditional conservative right blames men, never women for anything. Tired of their shit, don't care what they think.

Thats-bk · 2023-08-04T13:40:05+00:00

Yeah, we're not afraid. We just arent interested in the entitled, jadedness that seems to ooze off most women nowadays.

Its really not attractive in the slightest.

FourthHarbinger · 2023-08-04T12:09:14+00:00

Yeah, women are allergic to accountability. Society raises them to believe anything bad that happens to them or because of them is the fault of a man somewhere somehow

hottake_toothache · 2023-08-04T13:35:39+00:00

Men are always blamed, because women lash out emotionally at any criticism. And we can't have that because people care about how women feel, but don't care about men.

gauntvariable · 2023-08-04T15:46:09+00:00

I watch a lot of "old" movies like from the 70's and 80's and I'm always struck by the attitude of the women in these movies. Consistently, they're looking for men, happy to find a man, and grateful for a man's attention. This wasn't even controversial back then, it was just a reflection of society - men wanted to meet women and women wanted to meet men. You don't see that reflected in media any more. Women are annoyed by any male attention and celebrate the downfall of any individual man or all men in general.

Wasteofoxyg3n · 2023-08-04T18:40:22+00:00

Only men are required to self-improve, unfortunately.

We are supposed to improve our social skills, yet so many women can't hold a conversation and only respond in one-word answers.

We are supposed to improve our looks, yet you're suddenly the devil if you dare tell a woman to lose some weight.

Spare_Development615 · 2023-08-04T18:17:31+00:00

That's why you have to vet people.

If your money is "our" money and her money is "her" money, then that's something you have to vet for, because it's like she's a trophy wife or a kept woman.

If that's not what you want then you have to firmly reject that.

As far as men being presumed/expected to have more agency than women, that's a double-standard and it's not going away anytime soon unless you screen heavily for it.

Lonewolf_087 · 2023-08-04T15:28:55+00:00

There are so many shallow platitudes and cliches being thrown around but the bottom line is some men aren't dating because they are not or have not received favorable treatment from women and that goes anywhere from being treated as invisible in society to them (i.e. not being good enough and worthy of their attention) to messing up a dudes life over custody battles. I've been trying to date for the past year. I've been out with 10 different women. Two of them I wanted to keep going with but they ended up finding other men. Two of them wanted to go farther with me but I learned how toxic they were and in fact they were considering me as a side piece. I got out of that fast. One person I absolutely loved, we did 5 dates together and all was going well but she ended up having some kind of mental health crisis and slow faded me / friendzoned. The rest were ok people but I had no compatibility with or I didn't feel physically attracted to. I told them up front I didn't feel it, I never ghost.

So I'm basically exhausted. I've lost 35 lbs, changed up my look, got in better shape all to try and compete in this crazy market. I live alone, make 6 figures, have my own place and very little debt. I've always been available, courteous, and thoughtful. But it keeps falling apart as I don't hit some magic standard for the women who I'm more on level with..

Actual_Cygnus · 2023-08-04T13:34:18+00:00

Men have leart that dating and marriage to a western woman is a rigged game. Divorce court will always side with the woman, and western women will leave their husband's due to one reason or another. It's like a law of nature!

So it's inevitable that men will lose half their assets and the cutoday of kids to a woman who will at some point screw them over. Western men have grown smarter, and have in many cases stopped dating western woman.

The MSM shills are still trying to push the narrative of the billionaires big noses and they still want to gaslight men back in the plantation!

pm_me_your_buttbulge · 2023-08-04T13:55:22+00:00

It's interesting how it's almost always "men are afraid of approaching these days, they don't know how to talk to women"

I'm going to talk about this specifically here.

It's wild how women are paralyzed by fear of approaching men and refuse to set an example. It's easy to criticize someone else when you, yourself, aren't willing to do anything at all.

As an introvert that tends to keep to myself the amount of women, years after the fact, ask me why I didn't approach them or ask them out and their reaction when I ask "why didn't you say anything?" - they act as if I drowned their cat. This is the textbook definition of a double standard.

I am a creep

It's extremely common that the difference between a creep and a not creep are either: You're rich or you're very attractive. That's it.

This is why they can almost never formally define what a creep is. Because they know they don't want to restrict their options if someone uniquely attractive or rich comes by and fits the things they claimed they are creeped out by.

Here's a fun one. Imagine a middle aged man who is told he's a creep. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, she's right - he IS a creep. How does one grow to become better without a set of instructions or a list of what he's doing? I'll tell you how: Andrew Tate. They find someone like that.

Now here's the shitty part: The creep goes to the gym, loses weight, gains confidence, but is now an asshole... An asshole who gets chicks though. In his perception: He's not a creep or an asshole. This is just how it is. THIS is why Andrew Tate appeals to this group of desperate people.

This is a problem. There are extremely few good resources to build up better.

Here's another fun one. A friend of my family (really, IRL) is extremely overweight and for all intents and purposes it the creep who never gets laid, never has friends, etc. I've literally known him my entire life (he's a friend of my dad's, so literally). Dude has issues. Dude is also rich as fuck. As in every week he goes to the strip clip and drops about $1k on a chick. He's been doing this for decades at this point. He *seriously thinks they are his friends in real life. Not just people to tickle his brain for happiness. He still can't figure out why he's viewed as a creep by some. But for the people he's willing to drop coin on - "he's not a creep, he's just misunderstood". Now tell me: How do you help someone like this without them falling into someone like Tate or some other asshole?

You can't trust anything feminist when it comes to helping men - all they do is try to convince him he should feel guilty for having a dick and having money. All they want to do is demonize him. So they're certainly never going to help him grow, ever.

It's not too dissimilar from the mega-churches that make the rich folks feel good about themselves who convince them money isn't bad and business is just business.

This is the problem. The lack of useful resources. There are tons of self-help books - and it's hard to sift through good ones from bad ones. It's hard to find the real you and to develop confidence in a world that values money or looks alone.

What we need is a good role model. There doesn't seem to be one that embodies all the good stuff AND has relationships. This should tell us a lot about the current reality we live in.

In my poorly thought out opinion we need to help men discover who they are. Then we need to find role models to fit the major groups so those men have something to look up to. Or even something they can pick and choose from individual role models.

AbysmalDescent · 2023-08-04T15:16:43+00:00

Of course. That's always the way it's been though. Whenever a pairing fails to happen between a man and a woman, it is always regarded as that man's failure.

When a man approaches a woman who has absolutely no social skills, and she tanks that entire conversation, it is viewed as that man's lack of social skills or inability to compensate for that woman's lack of social skills.

When a man approaches a woman and she's hostile, condescending, rude or unpleasant, and she burns a bridge for no real reason other than to sooth her own ego, it is viewed as that man's inability to disarm those traps or circumvent that woman's poor attitude.

When a woman has every opportunity to approach a guy, with far smaller chances of rejection and far higher chances of being treated with respect and dignity, and she chooses not to just out of spite, that is also viewed a man's fault for not approaching first.

When a woman fails to create a safe or welcoming space for men to approach her, that is also viewed as men's failure to persevere through adversity, and men are told they should just be able to handle it regardless, even though men are just as likely to be viewed as creeps for trying.

When women go on online dating and complain about having too many options, or not enough "good" options, when they have all the tools in the world to initiate or get to know those men, that is also blamed on men, because they tried to initiate first.

Tiny_Professional358 · 2023-08-05T00:15:39+00:00

Men are “afraid of approaching” because Women have been screaming for the last decade they don’t like being approached.

Now that they aren’t getting enough attention from the average man they suddenly change their minds.

Hence the term “women don’t know what they want.”

Sendmeloveletters · 2023-08-04T13:34:28+00:00

Approaching women is dangerous now

SlyPogona · 2023-08-04T13:16:56+00:00

That's pretty ironic, considering that the ending of the barbie movie was literally barbie saying to ken, to not pursue her anymore, and all the feminist and yass qweenz are clapping to it.

ataluko · 2023-08-04T17:38:11+00:00

Easy, women don't know what accountability is. That's why when you reject a woman's advances, she immediately concludes that "you're probably gay, or you must be intimidated by a fine '10' such as herself. Nothing can ever be a woman's fault, no that'll be too much for her, there's always a reason, and the reason is "men".

walterwallcarpet · 2023-08-05T06:31:34+00:00

Men are wary of harassment laws, and tired of being talked down to.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2023-08-04T17:43:28+00:00

Men are not afraid in the least. It's just simply not worth the trouble anymore.

And men gain far more by waiting. And not spending a lot of money impressing a woman.

Then a woman does waiting.

The longer list of demands you have to fulfill the more you kinds have expectations on the other side.

But wanting more and more. But the men getting less and less back for it. Only normal more and more say. Neh no thx you're not worth the time effort or costs.

And that's happening.

Women forget one thing. That woman are free to work and be independent and needing no men talk. Did not just set women free. Also set men free to not be in servitude of women's needs.

They don't need a men they want one right? They dont need to provide en be protected cause they got that covered.

So that makes both side make there own money and dont need each other. And that freedom makes men just winning a lot more. And women being unhappy cause as they keep playing more as they age. The attention drys up.

And women that dont drink the feminist propaganda get to be wife's.

Both are free to choose and people choose to not play the rigged games anymore. And women most affected by there own choices

freeball_1 · 2023-08-04T16:52:05+00:00

We aren't afraid, it's just not worth the bullshit from spoiled litter bitches. To quote George Carline " I just rub one out wipe off my chest and go about my day." I mean sure pussy is great and all unfortunately it comes attached to a modern women, so why bother.

Edit: you know I'm going to revise what I said I am afraid.... Afraid that after I blow my load she'll open her mouth and start talking. I'll have to listen to her drone on about whatever ridiculous bullshit she wants to talk about. Her hair her nails how poorly she's been treated our boss is a misogynist. Is anyone really interested in putting up with that bullshit.

Feminists were right they proved " women don't need men" ... Unfortunately they also proved the opposite is true. MEN DON'T NEED WEMON, the truth is most of time they're just not worth the trouble anymore.

ConestogaCreek · 2023-08-04T21:02:48+00:00

Right. It’s never women have become unapproachable

eye_of_gnon · 2023-08-05T06:52:23+00:00

feminism is designed to shift all societal blame away from women

Darth_Brannigan · 2023-08-04T14:29:20+00:00

A main thing I've noticed lately is that women are just super closed off when it comes to trying to approach them. Typically always have headphones on, looking at their phone, never make eye contact, don't smile and then wonder why guys don't approach them? Boggles the mind. Though strangely I do find it's worse in Canada where I live than in the states, women there are much friendlier and seem open to a conversation.

Old_Payment_4335 · 2023-08-04T17:31:29+00:00

Social media has killed the family life. More and more women using only fans and have no self dignity

GreeceZeus · 2023-08-04T15:45:32+00:00

I've said it several times and I will say it again: I'm glad I already have a girlfriend for a pretty long time and don't have to look for one today. Because today's women isolate themselves with earphones and block any approach by a man during the day just to lonely swipe on Tinder during the evening.

ConestogaCreek · 2023-08-04T21:07:55+00:00

Women would sooner kill their baby than keep their legs together. But somehow they are the good people of the world.

SimpleKindOfFlan · 2023-08-04T14:07:03+00:00

I'll approach anyone over the age of TikTok.

DTreatz · 2023-08-05T00:11:15+00:00

Nobody gave a shit about females rights, and smart men knew it wasn't going to end well.

But the 'elite', governments and corporations saw $$$. They saw an entire half the population that could be taxed (short term gain, because women dont pay net taxes in long term) and corporations saw profit all over the place. Females are the majority of consumer spending, and if you're in marketing, one of the top things you realize is that it's easier to sell to females than to sell to men. You actually have to make a sell with men, you only have to persuade females by their emotions.

Thus the sabotage and subversion was born (or at least amplified, I can't speak to sociopolitical reasons for it) . They pushed it, it sounded 'morally' right, and so females latched onto it, the simps thought they were going to get more sex so they supported it (boy were they wrong) and the family unit was stratified and broken apart.

Now every household has TWO votes instead of the man's,

you dump potentially TWICE the workforce into the labor market, with demand not changing, so you've given the corporations all the power in employment.

You've raised prices on things so now you've forced TWO incomes to keep the work and reap profit while the family suffers

Children suffer from latchkey parenting, or inevitably worse, single mother homes because you added no-fault divorce.

blah blah blah,etc.. etc.... etc... fast forward to present day.

Now you have a situation where females are free to apply their incongruent biological predispositions in sex and reproduction, no impulse control, and a gynocentric society that supports it cause $$$ and power by the 'elites' and men are checking out because they only look at the top/bottom 20% of men anyway.

I'm going to say it, but J. D. Unwin was right in his research, society only works when females are effectively property to men and men have the power:

According to Unwin, after a nation becomes prosperous, it becomes increasingly liberal concerning sexual morality. It thus loses its cohesion, impetus, and purpose, which he claims is irrevocable.[3]

Unwin also stated "In the past, too, the greatest energy has been displayed only by those societies which have reduced their sexual opportunity to a minimum by the adoption of absolute monogamy (para. 168). In every case the women and children were reduced to the level of legal nonentities, sometimes also to the level of chattels, always to the level of mere appendages of the male estate. Eventually they were freed from their disadvantages, but at the same time the sexual opportunity of the society was extended. Sexual desires could then be satisfied in a direct or perverted manner... So the energy of the society decreased, and then disappeared." He points out that "No society has yet to succeeded in regulating the relations between the sexes in such a Way as to enable sexual opportunity to remain at a minimum for an extended period." – and thus all societies have collapsed.

Sound familiar?

This was intentionally done to increase the gap between the classes using female's under-evolved and incongruent biology by making them 'useful idiots' and it worked like a charm.

Ask yourself this, if females were 'oppressed' throughout all of human history, don't you think it was for a reason? Or do men just do illogical shit for not reason, you know, the same men who built civilization....

Great intellectuals have spoken on female inadequacies.

All major religions have.

In every culture throughout history, all before globalization.

Cmon now.

G18Curse · 2023-08-04T13:39:12+00:00

From a surface level, rebranding the issue doesn't make the issue suddenly go away. It's always the village idiots. The women/men afraid of their own shadow and what it could do to them that speak the loudest. Unfortunately, there are so many people in places where they're given a platform to say it from. However, in serious debate, those instances are never referenced because they're anecdotes to the issue at large. That doesn't contribute to the statistic.

The important part is that you don't want to become a village idiot where you're pointing fingers at everything that fits the narrative of "men ain't shit and women go brrr."

Trust me when I say that there is a significant percentage of women who are actively against such derogatory remarks and an even bigger percentage that don't even know that this is happening. So it's best to steer clear of anyone who DOES think that "men ain't shit." Mind you, I said, think. Not says. Because it's one of those buzzwords that people throw around indiscriminately. Like incel, skill issue, small pp energy, etc. Many have no clue what the true implications are, and with a little conversation, it's easy to get the point across.

ehWoc · 2023-08-04T11:48:49+00:00

I like it when men approach me in a polite and respectful manner, I just don't enjoy being catcalled and chased after even though I refused several times.

Man-splain · 2023-08-04T18:58:25+00:00

In order to avoid accountability they need to blame it on something that is not themselves.

Hugeknight · 2023-08-05T04:54:26+00:00

The problem I see here is everyone is treating a personal problem, problem the exist in both genders as a general man/woman thing.

Pair bonding is a highly personal thing, nothing can involved unless the people in that interaction allow it be involved that includes, religion, parents, societal expectations, religious expectations.

On bother sides we get shit like, men are trash, and women are sluts.

Are all men trash? No

Are all women sluts? No

But it doesn't take a genius to know what happens when you treat people like that.

If you really want a relationship you have to understand how to let got of your baggage, you're dealing with a person not their whole gender, if they refuse to let go of their baggage and learn to treat you as a person and not your gender it's ok to go and don't dwell on fantasies.

Everything in life comes at a cost, you just have to know what you can afford.

Aromatic_Ad5473 · 2023-08-04T14:56:18+00:00

There are some comments here saying men are turned off by strong, assertive, and independent women. There are also comments about how women don’t approach men.

Spoiler alert - the type of women who do approach men are the strong, independent, and assertive women y’all are turned off by.

Major-Donkey-6058 · 2023-08-04T10:45:31+00:00

Women aren’t put on blast but I don’t really see what women need to be put on blast for.

EarnMeowShower · 2023-08-04T20:24:30+00:00

Well why don't you want to give her chivalry and equality while she's a mean beeatch to you for it? You must be some limp-dick spineless loser who needs to man up! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Ok_Night_7767 · 2023-08-05T01:09:27+00:00

Just business as usual. When there is a problem in society, they are determined that it has to be men's fault.

The aspersions cast in this case signal a failure by women to recognize that their gender has chosen to behave in ways that are increasingly unappealing to men. Put another way, they are effectively saying that they have the right to redefine their role and men have to like the result. While the first is definitely true, the second is most decidedly not.

Elterchet · 2023-08-05T01:18:31+00:00

and what if men's do not want to date?

wildzwiebel · 2023-08-05T18:12:40+00:00

the headline is always "rise of the sexless male" when it should be "rise of insufferable women"

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-08-09T11:17:14+00:00

I wouldn't say men are afraid of women, just they don't want to waste their time on them, preferring to pursue more worthwhile things.

StarEngram · 2023-08-19T08:46:02+00:00

Makeup has had catastrophic consequences when it comes the the inflation of the female ego

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