Student has grade docked for using 'mankind' in English paper instead of a gender-neutral alternative

mcavvacm · 2017-03-31T11:23:12+00:00

I'm an aspiring English teacher, and I will NEVER enforce such ridiculous rules as banning the word mankind for being sexist. Mankind IS gender neutral just to put some icing on this cake.

How absurd.

Revoran · 2017-03-31T11:11:58+00:00

'Mankind' is gender neutral. Fucking morons.

For starters, it comes from the Old English 'man' meaning humans/people and 'cynde', which had a similar meaning to modern words like 'species' or 'race' (hence "the human race").

The word 'human' did not exist back then. It is ~~a combination of 'hue' and 'man' meaning colour/appearance of a person. So 'human' came from 'man', not the other way around (and so by their logic, it is just as sexist as 'mankind').~~ from Latin.

In Old English, male people were called 'wereman' and female people 'wifman'. At some point the 'were' was dropped (it still survives in 'werewolf' - literally man-wolf), while 'wifman' was shortened over time to 'wimman' and now 'woman'. 'Wif' still survives in the word 'wife'.

I can see an argument that other words derived from 'man' could cause confusion. For instance to avoid confusion we now say 'layperson' instead of 'layman'. This is not the case with 'mankind'. Only a moron would think that referred to males (perhaps the same sort of moron who would refer to 'womankind').

Certainly fucking English professors should know better than this.

So when you read Lord of the Rings and Tolkien talks about the "race of Men", it's because he was a linguistics professor and actually knew his shit, unlike these ignoramuses. He was also a bit sexist, but that's just incidental - the guy was born in the 19th century and all.

DieselFuel1 · 2017-03-31T11:18:01+00:00

No more 'evolution of man'. It's now 'evolution of man, woman, intersex, and non binary.'

manukoleth · 2017-03-31T05:59:53+00:00

He should have used "assholes" instead of mankind. That's pretty much gender neutral. I don't understand where's the world upto these days.

TankVet · 2017-03-31T11:45:41+00:00

It's amazing that professors are allowed to enforce a political agenda through grading policies. I am shocked to find that aggressive political strategies are allowed to be inflicted on the captive and paying audience of students. Education being used to more than literally "teach you a lesson."

This isn't liberalism, this isn't open-mindedness, this isn't anything but coercion.

Darmok-on-the-Ocean · 2017-03-31T11:28:50+00:00

I feel like English departments are the most SJW-infested. I studied history and it was pretty politically neutral. And even the SJWish stuff (like having to say CE and BCE instead of AD and BC) was handled pretty casually by the professors. None of this reeeeeeee bullshit.

EDIT: I saw this in my feed and assumed it was TumblrInAction. Just noticed it was MensRights, lol.

diabeetusboy · 2017-03-31T11:35:34+00:00

Can confirm my feminist professor will dock points for not using "inclusive language"

fickle_fuck · 2017-03-31T12:40:08+00:00

Mankind is the fucking guy's name, how the hell are you supposed to refer to him? Fucking cactus jack?

hashtagwindbag · 2017-03-31T14:35:51+00:00

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself? Basically, it's made up of two separate words — "mank" and "ind." What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

EduBA · 2017-03-31T09:02:55+00:00

the NAU English department, as well as the Modern Language Association, are pushing for gender-neutral language, and all students must abide by this

It seems that Big Sister doesn't abide by the First Amendment.

Mclovinn6 · 2017-03-31T13:38:16+00:00

This happened to me in English they said it was sexist

Satansyngel · 2017-03-31T16:55:46+00:00

ask my students to respect the need for gender-neutral language

There is no "need" for such thing, just your stupid opinion, stop forcing it on your students

She proceeded to tell me that the NAU English department, as well as the Modern Language Association, are pushing for gender-neutral language, and all students must abide by this,”

Burn it with fire. Who the fuck is "the Modern Language Association" and who the fuck has given them authority to institute new speech!? Absolutely disgusting.

aokusman · 2017-03-31T12:05:24+00:00

I am an adult, a veteran going back to school in the fall. I'm a minority and will challenge every SJW infraction I come across.

CriminalMacabre · 2017-03-31T12:57:03+00:00

but mankind was thrown 9ft by the undertaker from the top of the cage in hell in a cell

2017-03-31T14:46:54+00:00

People are getting so sick of this shit that the backlash is going to move things in the opposite direction of what these people want.

ridemooses · 2017-03-31T15:12:38+00:00

Do they still learn History or was that banned too?

2017-03-31T16:09:37+00:00

I remember at first I was all for feminism and considered myself a feminist. Boy, has this movement gotten out of control ever since then. I went a full 180 after constantly seeing shit like this.

Choreboy · 2017-03-31T12:35:31+00:00

Isn't it illegal for educators and people of the sort to instill their personal beliefs?

2017-03-31T16:11:36+00:00

Wow, aren't I just so proud of my university. This doesn't surprise me though, this place is full of Tumblr warriors and dyed-hair students wanting safe spaces from the world.

serial_crusher · 2017-03-31T19:22:02+00:00

Why is the word "humanity" a better choice? Shouldn't we have to say hufemity or personity or something?

TimothyDRiel · 2017-03-31T12:03:44+00:00

“After our first essay we were given a list of ‘do’s and don’ts’ based off of errors my professor found in our essays... she said we had to be sure to use ‘gender-neutral language,’” Jeffers told Campus Reform. “Included with this rule were several examples of what was and wasn’t okay to use. In one of these examples she stated that we could not use the word ‘mankind.’

Although I agree that this rule is dumb, the student was advised ahead of time that the points would be taken off in this circumstance. The student deserves to have the points removed.

As for the Teachers opinion that

‘mankind’ does not refer to all people, only males.

That statement is as absurd as saying "Feminism means everybody". If the argument is that the prefix is gender specific in the first case, then it must be the same in the second.

So, the teacher is dumb, but the student went out of their way to lose the points, so she should lose them.

iAMADisposableAcc · 2017-03-31T15:23:29+00:00

For those trying to write neutral papers out there; here is your list. God Speed. Is the word "God" gender neutral? http://www.writinghelp-central.com/gender-neutral.html

Gambizzle · 2017-03-31T19:51:21+00:00

“I would be negligent, as a professor who is running a class about the human condition and the assumptions we make about being ‘human,’ if I did not also raise this issue of gendered language and ask my students to respect the need for gender-neutral language,” Scott explained. “The words we use matter very much, or else teachers would not be making an issue of this at all, and the MLA would not be making recommendations for gender-neutral language at the national level.”

Scott then offered to let Jeffers revise the paper to earn additional points in five categories, including diction, but noted that she is under no obligation to do so.

Lol is this a real uni?!?!? What a farce, it sounds like a primary school.

BurkeyTurger · 2017-03-31T14:45:20+00:00

Alternate Title: "Student ignores guidelines for paper, loses points"

twomillcities · 2017-03-31T16:58:32+00:00

Yes, because this has something to do with men's rights?? Wasn't it a woman who got her paper docked?

Keep your problems with gender pronouns on the kotaku / redpill / anti-sjw subs please. Let's talk about men's rights on this one.

Is it stupid that this happened? Yes. Should the teacher / school be publicly humiliated for it? Yes. Do we (MRA) need to fight back against gender neutral terms? No, because no one gives a fuck, and the people that claim to care have way too much time on their hands and not enough actual problems, much like the morons docking papers for not using gender neutral terms.

ghastlyactions · 2017-03-31T13:09:26+00:00

That is gender neutral.

2017-03-31T14:01:23+00:00

A dastardly display of penhumanship.

Chromatoph · 2017-03-31T14:01:41+00:00

Didn't even register that 'man' was in it. Dunno if that says something.

2017-03-31T14:25:58+00:00

You used to pay to get an education at school, now you're just paying to be brainwashed

rogue780 · 2017-03-31T17:01:06+00:00

Let's all learn the etymology of the word "mankind"

2017-03-31T17:16:43+00:00

I always thought the most sensible solution was to use as the default gender the gender of the author.

Sqtrevives · 2017-03-31T18:17:19+00:00

I had the same thing happen to me in college. Same professor docked me a year later using a gender specific adage after he used it in class...some men/women just love to watch the world burn.

2017-03-31T20:08:52+00:00

Are schools enforcing "Latinx" too?

CptFizz · 2017-03-31T21:11:27+00:00

https://nau.edu/cal/english/directory/anne-scott/
You can find her contact information here. Give her a call or write her an email. She can't keep getting away with this. Home address can be googled in 10 seconds.

Rate her:
http://www.ratemyteachers.com/anne-scott/2565021-t
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1192199

Husband bit the dust in a freak accident http://azdailysun.com/news/local/freak-bike-crash-kills-professor/article_def8eb1a-d281-5405-bafe-de2727f9a3d2.html

LarryLove · 2017-03-31T21:56:15+00:00

Northern Arizona University. I rest my case

jamsrobots · 2017-03-31T22:31:42+00:00

I wonder how this teacher would handle a paper on Bangkok.

Baconbitsthrowaway · 2017-03-31T23:01:18+00:00

This is the type of thing you don't let go. Straight to the principal / dean / headmaster. The word is fucking gender neutral. There has to be a limit to the SJW crap.

funkyguy09 · 2017-03-31T23:33:26+00:00

mankind noun 1. human beings considered collectively; the human race. "research for the benefit of all mankind" synonyms: the human race, man, humanity, human beings, humans, Homo sapiens, humankind, the human species, people, men and women

Ok let's go against all reason and logic and believe the complete opposite of how the dictionary defines a word because i have to be right because im a good little liberal!

adamscus · 2017-04-01T01:43:44+00:00

How nice teacher!

speedisavirus · 2017-04-01T01:54:09+00:00

Fucking disgusting. It's a gender neutral term.

AspiringGuru · 2017-04-01T03:03:26+00:00

I've long wondered how many of my english teachers docked marks because they disagreed with my writing on other than grammatical and storytelling issues.

snoozeflu · 2017-04-01T03:40:42+00:00

I guess from now on we are supposed to use "personkind" so we don't trigger or offend anyone.

the_unseen_one · 2017-04-01T05:06:51+00:00

Holy shit, this is my school. I knew the liberal arts departments here were bad, but I didn't realize it was THIS bad.

Reminds me of one of my GEs here. Every paper I wrote for most the semester the professor loved, and I got over a hundred percent. I participated in class, and I generally just did fabulous; I also happened to agree with the professor in all those instances. We finally reach a new topic in which I disagree with the narrative the professor is pushing, and suddenly my "fantastic" writing, which was entirely unchanged, drops from an A+ to a C-, despite it being the same quality as always. I figured it was just an isolated case, but this is really too far. Thanks Empress Chang, I knew you'd find a way to make NAU worse than Hagar did.

theDukesofSwagger · 2017-04-01T05:26:00+00:00

The definition is: "all people thought of as one group"

How is that sexist?

OnTheSlope · 2017-04-01T07:07:06+00:00

$100 says in under five years it'll be "student docked for using woman in English paper instead of womyn"

ISOanexplanation · 2017-04-01T08:10:29+00:00

I'm sure in 203 comments a few have already mentioned the offensiveness of hu-MAN-ity but I'm throwing it in just in case.

I suggest hupersonity. Just for the lumbering lack of euphony if nothing else.

dukunt · 2017-04-01T19:27:09+00:00

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_(word) It is gender neutral

CardMechanic · 2017-03-31T22:51:15+00:00

Shit, I read this and was imagining the kid told the story about Hell in a cell, and falling 16 stories through an announcers table.

2017-03-31T13:38:17+00:00

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awtr50 · 2017-03-31T18:35:21+00:00

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Title	Student has grade docked for using 'mankind' in English paper instead of a gender-neutral alternative
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Date	March 31, 2017 5:53 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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