Yes Toxic masculinity

LifeisDepressing555 · 2021-06-11T16:00:51+00:00

He's right. Unfortunately nobody cares and you're left to rot or what not since you're disposable as a man. You're not afforded the same luxury, entitlement, privilege, help, nor rights women posses and instead you'll be blamed for everything simply because you're supposed to be a "man"

They'll even gaslight you calling you entitled when the world and men have handed them more advantages. Speak out against this and you'll get mocked or worse. Stay silent and you just suffer in silence or suicide.

Col_J_Crighton_SGC · 2021-06-11T20:40:21+00:00

He is right I'm in the UK and have been waiting for an appointment to speak to the mental health team for 5 years when i ask my dr all she says is to wait, wait and the wait somemore...i already know that by the time they get in touch with me I'll already be dead

contrast this with a woman i knew who was in a similar situation to me and she was seen within 6 weeks and started receiving all the help and info you could ever to hope to have...medicine like everything in this shit hole world is tailor made to exclude men and only care about women

RobDog101 · 2021-06-11T20:04:29+00:00

The number of submissions crossposted here from that sub makes me feel simultaneously hopeful and kinda concerned like are the zoomers ok? Obviously the continued deterioration of relations between the sexes from generation to generation was inevitable and probably a necessary evil to wake young men up but it seems like there’s a lot of hostility. Like I said it’s kinda refreshing to see yet also kinda sad.

funkynotorious · 2021-06-11T15:53:03+00:00

They went in dm'ed him for a witch hunt. People would do such a thing when people are just expressing their thoughts.

KYbebop · 2021-06-11T21:39:09+00:00

One time me and a random dude were having a heart to heart at a party.(both a little drunk) We both had rough childhood that were pretty close to the same, for once I felt connected to someone on the matter. At the peak of the conversation this girl walks over and ask us if we're gay. Woman want emotional man but not to emotional, or only emotional to their needs so who's really the toxic ones?

TracyMorganFreeman · 2021-06-11T20:45:48+00:00

Wasn't there that study linked here a few weeks ago that showed men who are depressed do seek help often, but it doesn't help?

ChiefBobKelso · 2021-06-11T21:53:23+00:00

It's also objectively false:

Rates of contact with services among middle-aged men were higher than expected; almost all had been in contact with a front-line service or agency at some time. It is therefore too simplistic to say that men do not seek help

Low-Then · 2021-06-11T16:10:10+00:00

The post is actually about how it isnt because of toxic masculinity, read it mate

ticktocking · 2021-06-11T19:14:19+00:00

Look at that shitshow of a comment section. Maybe they should make a better term to use. Using feminist studies jargon to explain societal standards in real life is fucking dumb. Didn't you guys learn to write to your audience in like 5th grade?

Just say social standards. Or gender roles. How many of these conversations need to break down over the use of this stupid useless terminology before people get the hint and change the language?

"Hmm people really don't like this term that requires hours of reading to actually understand. They say it's offensive and implies that masculinity is toxic. Weird, they must be stupid, and ignorant. Let's keep the term."

GivePuppiesBazookas · 2021-06-11T20:56:26+00:00

Since when did r/teenagers become based?

AmnesicAnemic · 2021-06-11T15:19:22+00:00

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Jay_Hardy · 2021-06-11T22:30:12+00:00

I love how the people who blame toxic masculinity are the first ones to tell a man that his issue are irrelevant.
It’s not toxic masculinity, it is you who keeps putting me down.

killcat · 2021-06-11T21:02:01+00:00

>"go to therapy". Oh yeah... because I can afford that can I?
Fuck off. Do you have any idea how expensive therapy is? Even in the UK,
with the NHS, there's a massive waiting list and the dialectical
behaviour therapy channels are women-only.

Oh it's worse than that, most therapists/counselors ARE women, "progressive" women.

Mythandros · 2021-06-11T22:48:13+00:00

"Toxic masculinity" is yet another derisive term coined by idiots/feminists to justify their man hate.

Toxic masculinity does not exist. It never did, doesn't now and never will.

Feminists need to acquire brains before they speak.

scoomr3 · 2021-06-11T17:51:45+00:00

How is being afraid to talk about our feelings our fault?

Why_wouldyoudothat- · 2021-06-11T21:13:06+00:00

I read more times "toxic masculinity " in this thread than my name in my whole life.

Pepethejeep · 2021-06-11T17:14:39+00:00

If by toxic masculinity, you mean being ignored by everyone and basically being worked into insanity/ to death, then yeah it’s toxic masculinity.

LgbtRpedos9 · 2021-06-11T14:43:09+00:00

Wrong, women bitched about male only outlets to the government. And the simp government forced businesses to open to women. The prohibition in America wasnt a fluke.

HUZNAIN · 2021-06-11T22:16:27+00:00

Men do seek help, they just don't get it.

There's a great post from TheTinMen https://www.instagram.com/p/CPvBrpZtAlD/?utm_medium=copy_link

EMPIREVSREBLES · 2021-06-11T22:37:50+00:00

Only thing I didn't agree with the post is how this person still believes toxic masculinity exists...

MetroidJunkie · 2021-06-12T04:30:13+00:00

Instead of actually help, they blame the patriarchy and toxic masculinity, which is a thinly veiled way of saying it's men's fault that men are feeling depressed.

gigi7070 · 2021-06-12T04:31:37+00:00

I tried to talk to my ex ( while we were still together) about my mental health issues. She called me sick and an attention seeker. I had my first sleep paralysis episode later that night but didn't tell her.

AbysmalDescent · 2021-06-12T04:46:40+00:00

Most men want to commit suicide because they live in a world that treats them like second class citizen that only exist to be exploited for money and labor. They want to commit suicide because they live in consistent pain or struggle with social/romantic dynamics in which women are heavily favored. They want to commit suicide because no one gives a shit about the problems that men face and do not want to do anything about it even when presented with overwhelming evidence. They want to commit suicide because no amount of "talking about it" will fix those problems and the very implication that simply discussing those problems, despite the fact that it is clear that no one gives a fuck or will actively think less of men who speak out, will somehow fix all of men's problems is incredibly condescending and diminutive to those men. There's a lot of shit hurting men right now but it's mainly systematic misandry, gender roles and this persistent male vilification coming from feminism.

The very notion that "talking about it" will somehow fix someone's problem reeks of female privilege, because women can not only speak about their issues with little to no reproach but actually have people(men especially) around them shower them with genuine sympathy, empathy, support and solutions to their problems. The world does not work like that for men. Men don't need to fix their problem by talking about it, nor should they be pressured to do so by women who have no understanding or regard for basic social dynamics.

AssistantT0TheSensei · 2021-06-12T06:04:53+00:00

It's not because we're afraid to talk. It's because nobody listens. But whatever. Maybe when enough of us kill ourselves, the toxic masculinity levels will start to decrease. So keep it bottled up, lads, and let's all do our part!

S3542U · 2021-06-11T18:35:14+00:00

I share your sentiment.

Stay strong OP!

Give it time, people will learn.

TFME1 · 2021-06-11T22:12:26+00:00

Ummm...I think it's more about the intolerant response, based on the (minority) existence of toxic masculinity, which is, in all actuality toxic femininity/toxic misandrism.

Past-Difficulty6785 · 2021-06-12T00:18:38+00:00

There's no such thing as fucking "toxic masculinity".

There isn't. It's women and weak men who don't know the first thing about masculinity who want to dictate to men how they should change while completely dismissing any possibility that they themselves would benefit immensely from introspection.

Think about the fact that there's nothing people describe as "toxic masculinity" that women don't also do. Furthermore, why have we completely ignored the very hint that if we accept that there is such a thing as toxic masculinity, shouldn't we also accept that there's such a thing as toxic femininity?

It's a racket. It's the same old "men bad/women good" crap that they've been suffocating men and boys with for decades now. And yet, we still don't accept it. Why not? Is it because of the culture? No because you can go to any culture and see the same basic trends being played out along gender lines.

Feminists have built a house of cards on the fraudulent and false premise that there's a patriarchy that exists to serve men. When, in your life, has it ever been true that men and boys get treated better than women? Just a single example that is always true and is due to something systemic or even cultural? It's exactly the opposite and the balance shifts more to privilege the female of the species all the time.

Not that it matters, really. You're talking to teenagers. Teenagers are known for two things whether they want to admit it or not: They don't tend to use logic when making decisions and they're easily swayed by peer acceptance influences.

By agreeing that "toxic masculinity" even exists you are playing into their claim. It's like arguing whether Santa Claus delivers no presents or really bad presents to naughty children...why isn't anybody asking why we would even believe that he exists in the first place?

They've skipped over establishing conclusively that such a thing is extant and simply made it something along the lines of what Goebbels [Edit: Attributed to Goebbels but not actually his quote. Unfortunately I can't find any other source] said about lies:

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

2021-06-11T16:26:15+00:00

I hate society so much that I wish the sun would go supernova already

MegSaikai · 2021-06-11T19:38:40+00:00

PREACH.

Meow121325 · 2021-06-11T20:21:35+00:00

Did you read the whole thing?

Laarye · 2021-06-11T21:48:26+00:00

I was afraid to talk to someone because I didn't want to be locked up and lose what little I had.

SirBlankFace · 2021-06-12T02:13:45+00:00

Oh my fucking god, don't read the comments, just don't, it's not worth it.

coloradocaniac · 2021-06-12T03:05:18+00:00

I have a few self-help therapy books.

I don't know what else to do, but I don't really think paying someone to trust them with my mental health is a good idea in lieu of many of the points made in this post and this thread.

brandinho5 · 2021-06-12T03:17:10+00:00

I suffer from depression and OCD that I now take medicine for. I have been called “retarded” for it (ironically by people far less intelligent than I), I’ve been told I’m ridiculous, and that I need to “grow up.”

Maybe masculinity plays a role but the bigger problem is the way society stigmatizes those with disorders.

Alejandro4222017 · 2021-06-12T04:29:34+00:00

Sad how he deleted his account what a king he was

YourFavouriteGuy · 2021-06-12T07:53:15+00:00

Even in the comments, they seem to be calling "man up" and all that "toxic masculinity." Alas, they are sheep after all.

They even acknowledge in the comments that it's the expectations that are toxic but proceed to call masculinity "toxic." I'd like to see them start calling gender roles for women "toxic femininity." They lack functioning brains, most of them.

Also, the expectations aren't that toxic, gender roles are good, men should be disciplined with their emotions. The problem is probably not enough masculinity rather than masculinity being toxic. In my opinion, the SOLE way we can get people to stop saying toxic masculinity is using the opposite term when somebody complains about gender roles for women.

"Women are expected t-" "toxic femininity"

Ariliescbk · 2021-06-12T08:17:31+00:00

Wasn't there a study very recently out of the UK where they stated that it wasn't that men don't talk about their issues, but that there are systemic barriers in place that prevent men from getting the help that they need? Isn't it ironic that by removing barriers for one, they raised barriers for another when there shouldn't be barriers in the first place.

obligatoryclevername · 2021-06-12T19:17:19+00:00

It must be nice to be able to blame someone else for all of your problem and all of their own problems. Women are incapable of compassion toward men.

ballerrr123 · 2021-06-12T21:33:30+00:00

It’s clear you didn’t read the post

Bulky-Feed-9387 · 2021-06-13T11:36:56+00:00

Just like you assumed it was toxic masculinity even the man might have assumed that you wouldn't have supported him and probably laugh it off. Just telling the people" we were always there for you , you should have approached us" isn't gonna bring them back from dead. Rather you should have approached him when his behaviour was suspicious if you cared about him. If you didn't then shut the fu*k up!

JRatMain16 · 2021-06-13T15:33:45+00:00

I once saw a TikTok video that pointed out this issue. I was going to post it here, but I can’t seem to find it anymore. It was probably deleted… 😓

__Honey_Badger__ · 2021-06-13T16:35:38+00:00

Fully agreed.

I'm quite a short guy at 5'1 (Mauritian islander genes lol), so getting a girlfriend is harder for me than most.

Never been prone to depression per se, but it did give me anxiety/breathing issues.

Was referred to a (female) counsellor who was absolutely HORRIBLE. She kept on saying that she was totally impartial, etc. but kept trying to lead me down a path with her conversations, i.e. asking what kind of women I'm attracted to then saying "why do I feel 'entitled' to those women"...I was like jeez lady, I never even said I thought I was entitled lol. It was crystal clear she had both judged me and had her own agenda.

Long story short I just focus on making money and getting with some cool escort girls I know who are smoking hot and actually pretty chill 👍

In the end the best therapy for me was not playing society's games at all and playing by my own rules...and I would reccomended that attitude to many on this forum.

PEACE.

stemaco · 2021-06-19T13:35:45+00:00

The big myth! A huge percentage of men who have died from suicide were actually seeking help for their issues. The "help" available to us is clearly not enough. After a lifetime of being abused by women with no repercussions, and with my 40s looming, friendless, genuinely friendless, career going nowhere, I will be joining their ranks in the next few years. I don't see things improving. Until then I just spend every penny I get on getting as high as possible.

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Title	Yes Toxic masculinity
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Date	June 11, 2021 2:39 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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