How redpillers sound sometimes

Treacle-Flimsy · 2023-06-15T09:00:29+00:00

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But this is how these one-sided relationships happen, if she's doing the housework and shit then she obviously wants him to commit to a relationship and the guy would obviously know that, but he's stringing her along.

i feel you are writing about this from a western lens. in eastasia under the tai tai system, this is essentially the case: women are not expected to do any housework or even any childrearing. housework is left to the 'amahs' (indentured servants) while childrearing is left to the 'pui yets' (nannies). even the poorest of poor eastasians follow the matriarchal tai tai system, even the 'amah's themselves have amahs, and the pui yets their own pui yets. in addition, the husband must give ALL his income to the wife. women only take on a patriarchal role when they marry white men to play to the white men's oreintalist fetishes (until they get their green card lol), but they definitely don't do it in asia lol.

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rich ethically Chinese women, applies to only a small , very wealthy subset of those Chinese women

no it doesn't, the system is employed even in the poorest demographics of the eastasian/south east asian peoples. Even in the poorest villages of indonesia and the philipinnes, single dads make up the majority of stay at home families while moms make up the majority of the workforce. the same pattern is apparent even in modernised china, with the majority of post divorce couples being single dads rather than single moms. the default being if eastasian fathers are unable to afford servants for their wife, the eastasian father himself will be the stay at home parent to maintain the wife's tai tai status. theres a reason why MGTOW forums refer to eastasia as "matriarchy on steroids." its a complete reversal of western culture.

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truth. divorce law is actually outdated and illogical. it came from a time when women were indeed oppressed and married out by arranged marriage. but in today's world where women hold all the power in the dating world and where 80% of men literally have no choice in women, only whichever woman is willing to settle for them, to punish men for divorce is outrageous from a contractual standpoint. divorce law needs to be updated to accomadate the new bl*ckpilled/redpill reality, women are no longer the victims here, men are. i perfectly understand why antiquated divorce laws gave women the right to take half the property as a way to compensate women at a time when women were literally slaves at the mercy of their husbands. but times have changed, its the reverse now, men are now at the mercy of women in the dating market, literally no one else thinks otherwise.

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Your attorney should have never let you agree to that.

How much money do you make? How long were you married.

Alimony is granted like 10% or less of the time. It’s event rarer for it to be lifelong alimony. I think I’m most states the amount is calculated by length of marrige. Usually 15+ years and lots of money means alimony.

But average people aren’t getting alimony orders.

If you settled then her attorney just played the game better than yours, yours should have known better the vast majority of states have a strict 50/50 rule. Alimony isn’t really granted these days.

Most men don’t want to push for court, they should. It’s expensive but most courts also don’t make you pay for your spouses legal fees unless they aren’t working and haven’t been for years because of the marriage.

Unless you make outrageously more than your partner, they aren’t getting all of the property. And even if they do, they should have to buy you out, it’s never just given. Even for the wealthy, marital property is generally owned 50/50 so for your ex to get both cars and both houses she would have had to pay you for them.

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There is literally black letter law for most states that tell you how it will go down. Judges literally have to do math and calculations to decide how shit is divided.

If you had a shitty lawyer that told you to give up all your shit without being compensated that’s not the laws fault. That is NOT how the law works, ever.

Some areas of law are awful, that’s because the law is written terribly. Divorce law is actually pretty straightforward.

Most states are equitable division states: that still does not allow a spouse to take all of an asset without paying the other spouse for it unless they got something of equal value in return.

She got the house and cars, you kept the $800k savings account and all of your other assets.

For example.

In those states unless there is a compelling reason shit is being split fairly. AgIn, how much money did you make? How long were you married? Only nine states even allow permanent alimony! So people that say this shit either had attorneys that weren’t knowledgeable as they should have been, settled the first chance they got without properly talking to their attorney, or were millionaires and thus not the average person.

Marital assets also don’t become marital assets simply because you got married. If you have an 800k savings account prior to marriage, she would only be entitled to half of whatever the making is -800k at divorce.

It just doesn’t work that way in real life. Now maybe there’s some details missing in your divorce that I don’t know. But, if there aren’t, then you got screwed and it wasn’t because of the law or your wife.

I’d love to make an actual assessment of ops situation. But again, most average couples won’t have two houses, or two cars bought within the marriage. There are very strict about what is considered marital property. There are tons of facts here that I’d need.

suggesting or implying that a judge left a man with nothing is fear mongering. Divorce is serious, yes, but the average couple is coming in and leaving with nothing but debt.

But sure, judges just want to screw over men.

Purge week.

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PURGE WEEK

But sure, judges just want to screw over men.

I read your reply. The simple part you're missing is that in the real world, a Judge can do fucking anything! Fuck your naive notion about "black letter law."

You sound like a man who hasn't had shit jammed in your mouth by REALITY. Then you'd know that your lawyer and the law and everything else doesn't matter. This legal system is SHIT by design. You can have your lawyer and the Judge and the other side actively working against you. It happens! All kinds of bullshit goes down in the courthouse.

Whenever you're before that pompous asshole that some people refer to as Judge...I refer to him as Chief Asshole...ANYTHING can happen! Particularly when you're in the realm of Family Court, divorce court, anything to do with gender anything in court. ANYTHING can fucking happen! You don't seem to understand that...

You seem to have a very naive, brainwashed idiotic notion of how the law in the USA works. Turn on the TV and look at what's happening right now and over the past 2 years...I don't really want to open that doorway, but the point is that the law is anything but fair...

A man's best strategy is to do anything he can NOT to appear before the asshole in a black robe.

Fuck off NothingOrAll

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This is not criminal court, it’s civil law. Much of civil law is black letter. A judge goes against a statue and your attorney should be appeal the divorce order and get it moved before a different judge. No attorney is going into the court telling their client that the judge is going to do whatever they want. Mostly because the judge has 100s of cases. Your argument, that you’re paying the attorney to write and present, is being read by a clerk, who summarizes it for the judge. Who then reads the important facts and details.

Did someone cheat? Because since most stress are equitable division, your cheating wife is just going to the given your house, the judge is likely to order her to buy it from you. She may get the house, but it won’t be for free.

Most men here haven’t even dated, how is it they’ve all also been through a divorce and know how the process works? They don’t. They are parroting red pillers who make enough money to not be average or who have also never been through a divorce.

You guys are out here claiming that these settlements are getting you robbed blind: sure, that’s possible, but in that instance you’re settling and agreeing to give up all your money. It’s not court ordered. Most divorces settle, they don’t even see a court room. So how is it the judges doing?

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PURGE WEEK RULES --> That means I get to explicitly tell stupid bastards just how stupid they are...

Read it again dipshit.

Particularly when you're in the realm of Family Court, divorce court, anything to do with gender anything in court.

I'm not just talking about divorces, though men routinely get fucked over there too despite all of your naive bullshit about black letter law, etc. Judges have discretion to do whatever the fuck they want IN THE REAL WORLD...you seem like such a stupid bastard you don't seem to comprehend that what ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN LIFE is much different than what your law book says etc. Are you really this naive?

Are you living on Mars you stupid son of a bitch? Do you ever turn on the TV or read a newspaper? Seriously, do you have no awareness of all the bullshit decisions Judges make?

Are you really this much of a stupid asshole or are you trolling? If you're a troll, it worked. I give you that, it worked. You're an excellent troll. If you're not a troll, you're just a naive son of a bitch who needs to pull his head out of the public toilet you perverted piece of dogshit.

PURGE WEEK

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How many law degrees do you have? How many cases have you read? What interactions have you actually had with the law?

You’re wrong. Actually, stupidly, and loudly wrong.

Are you saying my real world experiences, my actual life work helping men get legal aid and what I’ve learn doing it is make believe?

In the context of divorce: because this is what we are talking about, the rules are very simple. Most men do settle, why? I don’t know. Unless there’s a good reason for it I will not be advising my clients to settle. And if they do, I’m not going to advise them to throw out everything they worked for.

I am telling you how it works. I’m not asking you for your opinion. I’m giving you a very simplified, easy to understand explanation. Most people aren’t loosing much in a divorce because most people don’t have anything to lose. That is just fact.

Your predominately male attorney and predominately male judges aren’t making life harder for you. You’re living in and stash world if your think that’s the case.

Child custody cases? Men absolutely get shafted, but it’s usually because they can’t afford to get legal representation that will help them prepare to fight for custody. Which is what I’m trying to change.

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It’s not ideal. But I know how it actually works. Most divorces settle. Tell me, how can that be the fault of a judge when the divorce is over before it goes to court?

I think men need more resources to help them with divorce. All family court issues should be given free representation if needed. I’m working on starting legal aid programs for men until that’s in place. Because of course someone is going to settle when they have to pay some attorney 300 an hour to just negotiate and more if it goes to litigation.

Please pull an unfair settlement that didn’t include some fraud. Women get shafted in divorces too. Do you know how many women are left with nothing after a divorce?

In fact from a judicially standpoint, most of the issues that men site as being unfair in divorce court stems from custody battles. Custody is truly where men’s rights need to improve. Because it’s a shame a terrible mother can get custody in favor of a dad that’s trying.

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I am not talking about child custody because that is a completely different set of laws. Divorce law and child custody law do not overlap. Child custody is a different conversation. Which we are welcome to have.

Divorce, however, is not the same. Even the history of divorce, it didn’t always favor the woman. Officially, a man could just left in the early 1900s. He could go somewhere else, remarry (or rather marry again) and because his wife couldn’t own anything she had no recourse to help herself. It’s much different today.

The cheating issue in American divorce is rough, but it also the main damn reason for the divorces! It’s like 20-40% of divorces are promoted by infidelity. It’s easy to say a cheating spouse should get nothing: but if the husband cheats should he give his wife everything?

There are some remedies available for those situations, they aren’t regularly used, because of emotions and ego, but they certainly exist. Divorce is not this punishment for men that men here say it is.

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Have you been divorced and maybe you’re seeing this through an emotional lens?

It’s certainly not gendered, I’ve seen high earning women get fucked by love blinders too. Get the fucking prenup, let your partner take out massive amounts of student debt (because if it’s during the marriage surprise, that’s yours too) and

Seen men’s cheat and leave their doting wives with nothing. Or they squander away all the money on bad investments or gambling.

Very few couples have anything of substantial value. Most divorces aren’t going to screw anyone over financially because they have nothing to give the other.

Bequeathed gifts aren’t generally marital property so no one’s wife is taking away the family home or anything like that. You’re being overly dramatic here. Some rich dude who married a Walmart cashier and had her living a certain way for 15 years really experts that she will get nothing? Be smart about this.

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Yeah. I think there is no reason for anybody that’s making that much money, unless you’re a millionaire to marry someone that makes, and continues to make basically zero dollars. But that’s my personal view but I’ve also seen women get fucked from doing the same thing.

One of my friends who is in the tech industry, got married, put her husband through med school, he was a teacher or some shit prior and wanted to move up, and when they got divorced guess who ended up paying or half his debt? After he cheated during his residency, because they were both “too busy” to work to maintain the relationship.

This woman paid for this man to live through medical school when he had to quit his job. He was the one that asked to do it. Guess who also didn’t have a freaking prenup because she was being an idiot?

Because I also don’t believe in partners being left with nothing after raising someone’s kids and staying home(which is a luxury), I just don’t think it’s advantageous to ANYONE to take that risk. Considering stay at home moms tend to be the ones getting unhappy and leaving. No, let that woman take two years off max and send her to work part time, otherwise, realize that yes, if something happens you will be paying her. The longer the marriage the more you’re gonna pay.

And ironically, it’s because the government does not want your ex to have to go on government systems. They don’t want another person on welfare.

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What countries don’t have alimony? Of the list I’m seeing there are only five and none of them are “third-world”.

Outside of places where divorce is outright illegal, most of them are conservative enough to assume the woman requires spousal support for the rest of her life or until she remarries. If not, then they man usually has to pay the woman a large sum to even marry her.

Marriage is all about assets and babies. What countries have laws that say they aren’t?

In todays world, women are also contributing to the marriage by working. Her assets are factored in too, which is why no Maj should ever insist his wife stay home. Let her work, that way if things go wrong. That gap for 50% of marital assets is a lot smaller. Considering most states have equitable division and not 50/50.

It’s weird that you’re worried about losing money and not worried about losing the person that’s the love of your life. As a woman with shit to lose, divorce is a thing I think about, but I’m not really worried about him taking half my money, more worried about losing someone I cared about. So instead of being paralyzed by the thought of divorce, I’m taking the time to better myself as a potential spouse.

Because rest assured, no matter what country you’re in, if your partner wants out they will get out.

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Title	How redpillers sound sometimes
Author	Treacle-Flimsy
Upvotes	230
Comments	146
Date	June 15, 2023 9:00 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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