Is it immoral to use resources / commitment to get sex?

lukesoad · 2020-01-21T20:47:26+00:00

They would be using me for my resources. This could be considered a form of manipulation.

If you are aware, how is it manipulation?

They would prefer to be with a "Chad" but would settle for somebody they don't sexually desire in exchange for resources.

And you would prefer to be with a different hot blonde 18 year old everyday, but you would settle for a plain looking aging woman in exchange for sexual certainty. Neither is immoral.

lilacluna548 · 2020-01-21T20:46:32+00:00

It's immoral. But I HAVE been sexually attracted to average looking, 5'6" men before so I reject your premise that EVERY woman would be using you. I also don't think that two wrongs make a right.

ontherailstoday · 2020-01-21T21:01:40+00:00

Generally if one has to ask whether something is wrong, there's some degree of wrongness to it. I mean maybe not very wrong like assault or fraud, but still sorta a bit wrongish.

My suggestion? Get a vasectomy... so no oopsies. And be honest about having had one as soon as any relationship gets to the point of discussing contraception as a couples issue not an individual issue. That way you cut out everyone who wants you to sire and pay for a family. That just leaves women who might want you to help pay for a shared lifestyle as a couple... if you find one of them who pulls her weight in earning, investing and paying their own way and has similar goals to you then what would she really be using you for... economies of scale through joint purchasing power? That'd be the same thing you'd be using her for, and really who can feel insulted about that?

panchaladitya1996 · 2020-01-21T21:23:00+00:00

What do you mean 'use for sex' and 'manipulate' ? Are you pretending to be emotionally invested in these women so you can get into their knickers?

Reisiluu · 2020-01-22T00:11:23+00:00

On one hand, I can see that manipulation for benefit is wrong. On the other hand, these women don't sexually desire me. They would be using me for my resources.

Lying is immoral. You can be completely honest and still use your resources to have sex with women who don't sexually desire you. Prostitutes, sugar babies or other arrangements.

king_of_red_alphas · 2020-01-21T22:35:16+00:00

First, unless you are hot enough to be valued solely for your body / looks as a man (very rare) then you are going to have to be attractive in other ways to a woman. This usually includes being able to pay for shit on dates.

Knowing 100% that you would never actively date a girl, who clearly wants you to LTR her back is (to me) wrong, BUT...

For me, it’s rarely this cut and dried. Most girls fall in the “let’s see how this goes” zone, and it takes some experience with a girl (including sex) to decide if we are a good fit to get more serious.

So, often, I will present an LTR / Commitment as a “possibility”and nothing more. I would never, ever fully “commit”to a girl before having sex, and even if I did, if the sex was shit, or she started exhibiting crazy behavior, I’d simply change my mind about my decision to commit and move on.

Women will call this shitty, when in reality it is just a man not liking what he sees.

If you are a value add to a man’s life, he will want to keep you in it.

If you are getting pumped and dumped by men constantly, it’s very likely you make the man’s life feel more difficult rather than more pleasant.

Pastirica · 2020-01-22T00:13:22+00:00

if you don't want to commit and if you're content with being used for resources, why not just hire a prostitute?

Th0ma5_F0wl3r · 2020-01-21T20:51:09+00:00

Constant rejection and knowing I'd never be a woman's first choice made me into one of those angry guys that blames women for hypergamy and the "duel mating strategy".

I know this is PPD, but this makes you sound like someone playing a character.

But anyway, to try and answer the question:

If I were to use these women for sex, knowing I'll never commit to them, would you consider it immoral?

It could do, but not necessarily.

I think it definitely would if you kept stringing someone along, hinting that commitment might happen at some future time.

But if it's of a more casual nature and so long as they are happy to go along with it - it's hard to see how it could be immoral.

They might be upset if you don't want to keep things going, but that does happen.

Pola_Lita · 2020-01-22T04:45:30+00:00

I'm able to attract women that want commitment and believe I would make a good provider. If I were to use these women for sex, knowing I'll never commit to them, would you consider it immoral?

Asking this at 29 years old makes me suspect that you understand the immorality well enough but are hoping for help in rationalizing away what doing this would obviously say about you. Can't be done. But if you still want to lie to women so you can use them, no one can stop you from trying. I can't say I hope you're successful, though.

2020-01-22T09:02:30+00:00

Go for it man. After all, they’ve completely discounted you as a sexual option due to a section, you can literally measure between your thumb and index finger, missing from your leg bones.

Any woman who would get into a relationship with you just to have access to your resources is a worthless parasite. Beating them at their own game is a righteous thing of beauty.

Use. Discard. Repeat.

Extra points if you manage to get in and out without spending a dime. Faux-simp game for the win.

barbodelli · 2020-01-21T20:42:50+00:00

If you're dishonest about it yeah I'd say thats pretty immoral.

People commit suicide over heart break all the time. Do you really want to be responsible for something like that?

Asbelowsoaboveme · 2020-01-21T20:46:13+00:00

Yes, it’s immoral. Use your resources to pay prostitutes instead, so then it’s at least a moral equal transaction. Not all men are entitled to casual sex, life isn’t fair.

Orange_Paisley · 2020-01-21T20:53:07+00:00

My partner is exactly your height, I make more than he does, and he is a triple digit n count. Do not count yourself out.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2020-01-21T20:43:30+00:00

stop caring about whether its "immoral"

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WicGoingAnonymous · 2020-01-21T20:55:21+00:00

You are going in the 30+ group. There are going to be plenty of women that just want sex and that also abstain from relationships. And yeah they'll go for you because even them prefer a more reliable guy because they have been burned before.

Just polish up your knowledge on friends-with-benefits. Because that is a requirement.

rvail136 · 2020-01-21T23:09:52+00:00

If I were to use these women for sex, knowing I'll never commit to them, would you consider it immoral?

Nope. Don't ride 'em bareback is all. If you do that will eventually bite you on the ass.

noNooodleArms · 2020-01-22T00:04:26+00:00

If I were to use these women for sex, knowing I'll never commit to them, would you consider it immoral?

Don't be so surprised when you commit to one of them.

Vynxe-Vainglory · 2020-01-22T04:38:21+00:00

Would it be immoral to use sex and the other person’s desire for it to get commitment and resources?

This represents the same scenario from the other side’s perspective.

slavicgypsygirl · 2020-02-02T20:31:48+00:00

I feel all people have to use what works best for them in life

LifterofThings · 2020-01-21T21:03:46+00:00

If I were to use these women for sex, knowing I'll never commit to them, would you consider it immoral?

I'd generally consider deliberately misleading someone immoral, but if you're just in it to get some poon, who cares if some hole's going to be mad at you after? Unless it causes you a crisis of conscience, it doesn't matter.

If it makes you feel like a shitbag, probably best not to do it.

SmurfESmurferson · 2020-01-21T22:13:07+00:00

Why are you so convinced these women aren’t attracted to you? I’ve dated men that weren’t conventionally handsome, but I found them wildly attractive and sexy. I mean, hell, I had people on here ask me what the allure of my ex-husband was after seeing our picture, and the answer was that I was genuinely attracted to him and in love with him

You’re never going to find a soul mate with your attitude, not because of your looks

Anyhow, to answer your question, if you’re leading them on, then yes. It’s immoral. Just get a SeekingArrangements account and go to town

Grek27 · 2020-01-22T02:10:39+00:00

When have women ever made a choice based upon morality OP?

SnowHatesWome · 2020-01-21T20:55:13+00:00

Morality is subjective. There’s is no such thing as right and wrong, just conflicting point of views. If you want to do it and feel that your potential benefits out way the potential consequences do whatever man.

Title	Is it immoral to use resources / commitment to get sex?
Author	lukesoad
Upvotes	13
Comments	175
Date	January 21, 2020 8:40 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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