"Nice Guys" Get Us...Eventually

FeniZio94 · 2020-07-12T23:01:30+00:00

Nice guys get 250k mileage vehicles for full retail price, that is risking to stop working in such a catastrophic way that it will require half of your entire life’s work to search for another model

Not a worthy investment by all means

TheJim66 · 2020-07-12T22:23:30+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/cux0dm/discussion_research_finds_that_women_do_not/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Plus all the studies about women preferring dark triad types.

Being nice is a demerit. You can get laid DESPITE being nice but it's hurting your chances and not helping you. The only reason women settle for nice guys is because their looks start diminishing and they want a family so they need someone stable with money.

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2020-07-12T22:09:43+00:00

Essentially, young girls our age like exciting , fun, crazy life styles. Which “nice guys” don’t bring them, young women don’t want a stable, no worries relationship, typically.

This is why there’s the trope of women loving assholes and shit, cause it’s bring them fun and enjoyment.

Yes in the end, guys figure out women settle for “nice guys”.

xinf3ct3d · 2020-07-12T22:28:45+00:00

Didn't we have that topic 6 bazillion times already?

It's no secret that women who choose partners like this deserve neither respect nor pity but what can you do?

Ride or die is it for everyone.

Aaren_Augustine · 2020-07-12T22:16:18+00:00

Nice Guys are not assertive, which is something most women find attractive in men.

Also no I'm not red pill.

You only need two books if you're interested. A book called When I Say No I Feel Guilty ( basically its Verbal Kung Fu and assertiveness training). And Models by Mark Manson.

Those two things will help you navigate women without getting all angry at them.

GGMcThroway · 2020-07-12T22:57:08+00:00

Young people do stupid shit and take stupid risks. It's just that most young women were browbeaten into not pulling dangerous stunts as kids so the risks they take (if they take them) are mostly in who they form relationships with.

If you're young and stupid, it can be a tantalizing thought to become the one person an asshole is nice and loving towards (a challenge, if you will). But the reality is that that's probably not going to happen, so you'll hopefully know better the next time you get in a relationship.

Is it a good thing to do? No. But neither is destroying your neighbor's mailbox or street racing while drunk, yet tons of young guys do that. If you have to face the consequences to learn not to do stupid shit, then you have to face the consequences to learn not to do stupid shit.

LittyKitsune · 2020-07-12T23:19:05+00:00

Rina enjoys self-deprecating humor, hot yoga, and 70s rock music. She takes comfort in selling herself short so she can surprise herself as much as possible when things decide to go her way or when she can appropriately defeat someone at Foosball.

This is the writer's bio.

Okay I usually try not to judge people based on tiny snippets of info like this but if I had to (taking the article into account as well) this woman is a walking red flag, if she even actually exists. She is just literally a random woman with the above non-qualifications projecting her bullshit on everyone else. What makes her any more credible than the random women on here who repeatedly say that we don't date assholes.

Workaholiconew · 2020-07-13T00:33:02+00:00

You... just described AF/BB.

Did you just discover the red pill by mistake and did not perceive it as such?

We have known in for WAY more time than the red pill, PUAs or even the bible were a thing... Greek philosophers were talking about a similar concept way back in 300 BCE.

What, did you suppose, was the red pill?

Most men here just do not consider old women, to be that interesting as partners. As the best parts of dating them, will be long gone. Even if we have few preferences. We do have some, and age is one which is pretty clear.

And also, we age too, Sex is only important when we are young. As we age... it becomes less and less of priority. So women need to give more and more of a reason to be a partner. Or they lose the chances of finding someone willing.

Again, why be a betabucks? May as well wait until you can just... live without sex. You know? We get there... eventually. And as a bonus, these men maintain all the resources which would be drained by a series of lacklustering women.

the40yearoldincel · 2020-07-13T01:43:45+00:00

You know that saying women like to tell guys, "If you can't handle me at my worst, you can't have me at my best."

Well there's a flip side to this saying for men who are in this type of situation. It goes something like, "If you didn't want me in my prime, you don't get to have me at all."

I've heard my fair share of this kind of nonsense from women, that they're sure I'd make some woman happy "one day", or that when I get older the ladies will come running. After two decades of this kind of rejection, where I'm told I should put my emotional and sexual feelings on hold and wait, is the equivalent to telling someone to hold their breath until that person is ready to let you breath on their terms.

This can be an absolute devastating blow to a man's self esteem, and it can and will stunt both his emotional and sexual growth. This is also how incel's and MGTOW men are created, as for many men, myself included, we just give up on the entire notion of dating and relationships altogether. Marriage, having a family, it all becomes a fantasy that can never be, incel's who've given up and are bitter and depressed, and MGTOW men who've had enough of women playing games with their emotions.

There's already been much discussion about what benefit does an older women bring to the table in a relationship. There's the loss of sexual desire, loss of physical attraction, and a good chance they're bringing children from other men into the mix, and who knows what other baggage.

In the meantime, men who do wait and give-in to this "wait" for women when they're older, what kind of life did they get to enjoy emotionally and sexually compared to the women who want him now? The women have had their fun, and sex isn't that carnal desire or drive they once had, while the guy who had none or very little, some of these guys still virgins in their 40's, they're going to desperately want to have as much sex as they can, to which the woman will only occasionally give them, whether it be because they just don't desire as much anymore, or because they're not really that attracted to this betabuxx man they've decided to settle with, or both, which again is grossly unfair to the man in this situation.

At the end of the day, any man willing to put their personal life on hold in terms of a relationship because women tell him they're simply not ready for him yet, any semi-intelligent guy should wake up to the fact there's obviously something about him that makes women unattracted to him at a younger age. What that exactly is isn't always something a man can change by educating himself, or learning certain techniques to make him more attractive, some guys simply don't have "it", and it's not their fault.

Ultimately some men have learned that waiting for these same women who rejected them, is similar to having Stockholm syndrome. You'd be allowing yourself to let the same people who destroyed your self esteem and hurt you emotionally back into your life, which isn't healthy or fair. I can firmly attest that I've succumbed to this conclusion myself, and after being told to wait for basically scraps my entire life, I know deserve better than that.

More and more men are coming to this same conclusion, and feel it's simply not worth waiting for something that may or may not ever happen, and even if it did, why should we give these women a chance? This is a serious question I ask of all women, why do you think you deserve to be given a second chance when you've treated us like we were invisible, or simply not worthy of your time because we weren't the alpha male bad boy that you sexually desired? And don't give us the generic answer that you "didn't know what you were doing", or that you were "just young and stupid" either. Let's see some serious responses to this question, and why it is men you ignored in your 20's, and now worth you attention?

smokecheck1976 · 2020-07-13T03:41:19+00:00

I have given it some thought, used wisdom driven by age and experience and observation, and I conclude the following.

No. Women that are running through "the list" in their teens and twenties don't end up with the "nice guys". Nice Guy being defined as the nice but boring guy that has his own house, his own car, money in the bank, and at least a modicum of disposable income. "The List" being defined as a series of romantic liaisons or relationships with men that qualify as one of the following, the bad boy, the artist, the musician, the foreigner, the asshole, the exotic, the player, or about a dozen others.

She doesn't get the nice guy because at some point he figures out her and their deal, she isn't reliable at all (a divorce waiting to happen) and she comes as a "package deal" with her and some other dude's kids. There is a whole world of women out there that would truly love him for providing her a stable home, would never regard him as boring, and regard divorce from a man that is not one of the 5As be a source of shame.

More and more, the girl that partied it up is finding it difficult to find a husband in her thirties, and the shame is that even the rare good women struggle to find relationships because of the detritus out there. The "nice guy" they find has issues all his own.

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DragoonXFury · 2020-07-12T22:02:56+00:00

"The truth is, nice guys don’t offer women a challenge. They are boring, agreeable and easily attained."

Can boiled down to this really.

To answer your question as to whether this is true? Some men and women have expressed these experiences many times before so take what you will from that.

notyourmotherdotcom · 2020-07-12T22:33:09+00:00

Nope.

staypositivebrad · 2020-07-13T00:27:52+00:00

Yeah, the whole problem is by then it's a huge rip-off, you're paying full price for used goods after the asshole criminal got to use it new for free.

That guy is a loser and a chump, the whole point TRP and things of that nature is that guys don't WANT to be that guy

ivy176 · 2020-07-13T02:18:00+00:00

I can't relate to any of it. Not when I was a teenager and not as a 33 year old woman.

A guy bringing flowers on the second date and blowing up my phone sounds creepy.

A guy being unavailable and not showing that he's interested in me causes me to be completely uninterested in him. I don't want that "challenge", completely uninteresting snooze fest. That guy wouldn't be on my radar at all. I also find channing tatum and ryan gosling both VERY unattractive, so a combo of the 2 sounds scary haha.

Most women don't want extremes. We want a well balanced guy who demonstrates interest in us but isn't needy. Because if a guy's fawning all over you fast, he probably does that to lots of women and is like a puppy trying to get adopted. Not hot. But a guy who acts aloof and too hard to get is also unappealing since he's offering very little and being completely uninteresting.

Most people just want a balanced person who is available but doesn't fall in love super easily or chase after a bunch of people. Because falling hard and fast and blowing up your phone appears unstable, and being unavailable or ToO HoTT 2 HanDLe Cant Be TieD DoWn is just lame and makes our eyes roll

TotalTravesty · 2020-07-13T03:34:40+00:00

You can be nice, but you can’t be boring. Problem is too many “nice guys” think the opposite of boring is a violent dangerous criminal when the opposite of boring is just...not boring.

But I can’t dump on them too much. It’s extremely difficult to be self-assured, active and assertive when you’re young and insecure. The safest route is to be a non-descript NPC. But unless you get over that with age and leave the past behind you you eventually wind up...here.

Rahim556 · 2020-07-12T23:08:52+00:00

You said "they should be teaching this stuff to guys." Yes, that is what Red Pill is all about. It tells the true nature of women so that men can at the very least be properly informed. What they do with that knowledge is on them. But that's what Red Pill is about, exposing the cold, harsh reality of the real world (just as the red pill in the Matrix movie exposed Neo to the harsh reality of the world and took him out of his ignorant, yet comfortable existence in the simulation). You say you're not Red Pill. Why not? Do you not believe what it says to be true?

Swift-Carrots · 2020-07-12T22:09:22+00:00

Seems like women get the easy way in life for the most part. Other than the whole child birthing thing. Everything else is easy peasy for them

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-07-12T22:04:26+00:00

Yeah, it's good for them. That's the only caveat. They get to enjoy shallow youth and then have mature, responsible, accomplished men waiting on them when they want more out of life than shallow relationships.

Filter for genuineness and make them wait for commitment until they've been vetted. Anyone in a rush to get married and/or have children gets the boot.

dylang92 · 2020-07-12T23:14:58+00:00

I mean, nice guys do get laid, but it’s only if they’re attractive nice guys. So OP if you’re a nice guy but also attractive looking, then you’ll be fine. Casual sex is really looks first over anything else, if you aren’t already deemed “good enough” for casual sex, then no matter what attitude or personality you have you’re still going home alone

rainbowsurge444 · 2020-07-13T00:39:37+00:00

You're 17 and looking into relationships with this kind of bullshit? No red pill, no blue pill. It's all bullshit. Doesnt it seem a little silly to go to an online forum to ask a bunch of anonymous men for dating advice? Do you know how successful they are at dating?

I saw your mom was a single mom. The issues you might run into from that might be simping, but dont mistake simping for being a respectful human. Otherwise, respect what your mom did for you.

Look, if you wanna get laid in college then focus on the type of girls dtf. Those girls will be on your same wavelength, pretty much want the same thing you want. If you start going down the red pill rabbit hole, it's going to be obvious to girls you're desperate and trying too hard (they're so easy to spot. Eww.)

DM me if you want actual advice from someone who's been successful in getting laid. Some of these comments...lol....

Grave_Heresy · 2020-07-12T23:53:09+00:00

Yes women are absolutely like this. If you aren't Red Pilled you should consider taking it or you will be taken for a ride (and not in a good way!).

They will never admit to it because this would cause blue pilled guys like you to take the Red pill or any other pill...

But let me ask you a few questions: why are all of these women divorcing their "husband material" (70% of women initiate divorces)?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3OfzXerZo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vPYqPZvZrQM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ey8QfY3buk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k-CG6sy5jiY

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Grand_Duty · 2020-07-13T02:12:52+00:00

Bro. Just don't date girls from divorced parents and make sure she is moderate or conservative leaning. Stay away from drinkers, smokers, and tattoos

Also Edit: Where SPF Sunscreen. You kids need to wear sunscreen

Mimoxs · 2020-07-12T22:09:47+00:00

This is basically just the normal rp stuff. They tend to write the same thing over and over in new articles in different ways. It's like the different versions of the Bible, same exact thing with slightly different wording.

That being said based on this guy's wording the article reads of someone who's reeeeeally been hurt. Like normally the rp dudes are irritating but I just kinda feel bad for this guy

Gen Z has a far more negative opinion of women in general than predecessor generations, I learned in a class about how male violence against women for being women, male hatred and resentment of women, etc is very strongly on the rise in young generations, which is shocking to a lot of people.

So I don't think it will really change gen z boys much. They already have a very strong violent/angry urge against girls, this is just another log in the fire. The only imperative is to make sure gen z girls are prepared and get them to prioritize their safety, bc right now they definitely don't do that and that will end badly.

thetruthishere_ · 2020-07-12T23:18:53+00:00

I was always into genuine nice guys, even in my youth. I was into stability not troublemaker 'bad boys', they wouldnt bring stability.

That said, it was a different time then, Im almost 50.

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BrutalGamerGurl · 2020-07-13T04:08:12+00:00

I'm 31. I've always dated and slept with the nerdy 'nice guy'. But they still turned out to be bad people.

So now, and a much later age I'm doing the opposite of settling with the nice guy. I'm going after the bad boys. Because after being hurt by so-called nice guys I think that bad boys are the exact same just more honest about it. I'd rather have the honesty if everyone is going to be shitty anyway.

Title	"Nice Guys" Get Us...Eventually
Author	Thanos25
Upvotes	22
Comments	266
Date	July 12, 2020 9:55 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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