Promiscuity and rape.

the_purring_jew · 2020-09-12T15:00:10+00:00

evidence of the victims sexual history is not allowed to be introduced to exculpate the defendant, it can only be introduced (if i remember correctly, practicing attorneys or more fresh graduates can correct me) to impeach the victims character IF they make their own character an issue. if the victim gets on the stand and claims her chastity and virtue, the defense can impeach that testimony with evidence of her promiscuity which goes to her credibility as a witness, not to whether or not a rape occurred or the defendants guilt. so there is not "no reason", there's a perfectly good and legitimate reason to bring it up, just NOT to exculpate the defendant

sublimemongrel · 2020-09-12T15:15:38+00:00

It typically isn’t relevant, that’s a primary basis behind rape shield laws which AFAIK exist in every state and even in the federal rules of evidence.

It can be relevant, say if the defendant and the alleged victim have an extensive sexual history. But even then it would most likely be limited to their history together.

crookedsummer2019 · 2020-09-12T15:49:18+00:00

Unfortunately society does judge rape victims differently, just as they judge all victims of crime differently, depending on the perceived character of the victim.

The more a person adheres to mainstream values (not an addict, not promiscuous, not on welfare, etc) the more society will side with them.

It’s really shitty but that’s what it’s like. This is why a homeless addict, for example is less likely to report being a victim of crime and why some girls who are promiscuous are less likely to report rape.

leftwingrightwingall · 2020-09-12T16:13:22+00:00

Rape is bad. Rape is wrong. Rape happens randomly. Chaste and promiscuous women/men alike get raped. Hanging around with bad characters increases your chance to be raped as well. If you are someone who likes to hang with violent drug dealers and engage in relations with them, don't be surprised when they turn out to be shitty people.

DesertSweat · 2020-09-12T15:37:08+00:00

Does sexual history really have much bearing? Not really. It probably cannot be introduced unless there’s a damn good reason. Why would a promiscuous women not allege all the other times she had sex with other people.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-09-12T22:19:03+00:00

Consent is wishy washy at best. Most times people get busy, they kiss, they touch, they touch more, they start opening some buttons or zippers and head to the bedroom. How many times does sex happen without a single word being spoken? Lots and lots of times. So, every woman who has sex without giving "enthusiastic, ongoing consent" is raped. Except, all of times when she's not.
Any women who has had 2 or more drinks and has sex according to "consent doctrine" is raped, except all of the times when she's been drinking and has sex and is not raped.
Having a history of sex with a person does NOT mean that all future sex is consensual but it does mean the couple has a history of sexual intimacy and it could mean something as simple as "the way things were progressing that evening he thought that sex would be a likely outcome". She could at any time have withdrawn consent (or just shown interest in stopping). But that depends what the question was. Go back to point #1. The guy reports a common esclation leading to sex encounter where aside from a few moans and groans not a single word was spoken. Shame on HIM for not getting "continual, ongoing, enthusiastic verbal consent" but men have sex all the time without this "lawyer level" consent and don't get charged with rape, because they didn't rape anybody.
Being promiscious could be of relevance in a court room. It could come into play when the judge or jury is trying to establish how a "reasonable person" would act or react in a given situation. It should really not matter how promiscous a woman is/was - if she revokes consent, then she shouldn't be touched. Revoking consent DURING sex... that could tricky. DId he fling himself off of her immediately with enough enthusiasm? He'll say he did, she'll say he didn't.
Asking a woman what she wore before being raped is like asking me if my TV was visible through my living window before it was stolen.

Don't get me wrong. Although consent can be nuanced, MOST men know when it's not okay to keep going, and that would be when she no longer wants to keep going.

Now, all that said about "wear what she wants". I think string bikinis shoul d be banned and reserved for nude beaches. A string hiding between a woman's ass cheeks is not a garment, it's a smelly string. But yeah, women should be able to slut it up.

What is it about cowboy boots and Daisy Dukes that makes a man think "She likes sex."

That's so rapey.

I'll have to agree with the feminists on this one. What women wear, where they party, who they hang around with, who they kiss, where they jog... none of things are going to stop rape and none of these things have anything to do with rape.

The fix for rape is for men who rape to stop raping women.

(That differentiation alone will get feminists a LOT more male allies but they quickly follow with "We say MEN and not 'men who rape' because ALL MEN are potential rapists...") But that's a rant for another day.

And yes, men get raped too - mostly by other men, in prison and that's bad too and people should not rape other people. Rape is wrong. Jim Jeffries said rape is wrong and I believe Jim.

illegallad · 2020-09-13T21:11:12+00:00

Lawyer here:

In the US we have what is referred to as a “rape shield” regarding evidence. In short you can’t put into evidence that a girl’s promiscuous because it has no relevance as to whether she consented to that particular encounter or not. Her other sexual activities can not be considered.

philomexa · 2020-09-12T14:57:52+00:00

Thoughts? This is the wrong place to have a nuanced discussion about rape.

The men here barely believe rape is a crime, so uh, good luck with their input.

CatchPhraze · 2020-09-12T16:37:00+00:00

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Sultmaker_9000 · 2020-09-12T15:06:17+00:00

It absolutely does, and it's a test of character, it is for the life lived experience of a collection of independent people from randomly chosen backgrounds of men and women to decide what is and isn't relevant, remember it could also play on the jury's mind if they are trying to set the person up if overdone.

If you were ever accused of being fraudulent in business for example it would be totally reasonable to use other witness statements and evidence from other people. And it also works both ways, even in a rape trial; a mans internet search history, other acquaintances can be used against him too today, so it works in each and every both ways.

Blah blah.... if they want to use a witness statement from a cashier talking about the weather, they can and should.

There's just a clear and obvious difference between the virgin catholic girl and village bike, and we all make those judgements, the same way we may judge a hobo on the streets, anyone saying otherwise is lying.

Bntt89 · 2020-09-12T15:59:05+00:00

Well you will see throughout this thread that this is a highly thought of idea. That if someone sleeps with many ppl they for some reason give up the ability to every deny sex to anyone ever again. This especially happens with women if they dont want sex but they've slept with other men they have no ability to deny sex from any other guy again. I honestly have no clue how this unreasonable idea came to be but you actually even see it with guys. If a guy gets raped it's ok because he likes sex.

Promiscuity is for some reason just carblanc to just do whatever you please to another person sexually I guess. It's just another stupid idea ppl with conservative views believe because sex isnt something ppl should do as openly as possible.

madcockatiel · 2020-09-13T13:33:44+00:00

To sane people, what you are saying is obviously true. To the male denizens of ppd, getting raped is nbd unless you are either a virginal 12 year old or a man.

cunningcaring · 2020-09-13T16:49:24+00:00

You are correct.

spacechicken1990 · 2020-09-14T11:13:16+00:00

Rape is rape.

Can’t believe I have to say this but if I forcibly do something sexual to anyone it is rape. No matter body count or age or whatever.

flamingoinghome · 2020-09-12T16:06:22+00:00

You're absolutely right, and I'm glad you mentioned a courtroom context, because this reasoning (essentially, that someone who has a lot of consensual sex somehow can't be assaulted) all falls apart when you try and apply the reasoning to any other crime.

Say a CEO is pressing charges against an employee for embezzlement. If the employee's attorney tried to say, "Your Honor, the prosecution fails to note that the CEO has a history of philanthropy--he's given tens of thousands of dollars to St. Jude's hospitals; surely after seeing that, you can understand why my client thought the prosecution's money was free to take?" the judge would rightly laugh him out of the courtroom.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-09-12T22:37:28+00:00

So I go to my local bar and go up to the "new girl" who has been hanging at the bar alone and I introduce myself and we start talking and I ask if she'd like a drink and she says yes so I say:

BARTENDER! GIMME A BEER AND A BILL COSBY!"

And she laughs and says "What's in a Bill Cosby?" and I reply:

"I'll tell you tomorrow."

janearcade · 2020-09-13T04:48:02+00:00

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2020-09-12T15:06:49+00:00

Well if there's no evidence of struggle he says it was consensual and the woman says she doesn't do casual sex it would poke holes in her story if she does do casual sex

wekacuck · 2020-09-12T17:01:04+00:00

I have a gut reaction that although rape is horrible, raping a virgin seems worse. Intellectually I know both are horrible and also that virginity and innocence don't matter and that sexuality doesn't devalue a wonen. But that's how my gut reacts.

roundabout44 · 2020-09-12T15:32:58+00:00

>Consent given once is not consent given forever. Being promiscious doesn't not mean you cannot be raped

Absolutely. However, there's a clear distinction between guy usually has sex with a particular girl, today she didn't feel like it, she thoroughly enjoys the submissiveness, often during sex pretends to be a victim, says no but gets as wet as a waterfall and cums while he's "raping" her.

And a case where a guy literally had to bruise, tear her clothes, damage her vagina, and so on to have sex. That's in 99% cases obvious rape.

In case number two, no sexual history of the victim is relevant in the case. Whether she's the village bike or a virgin.

Anyone who ever spun plates knows that "Not today, a couple of no's and playing hard to get" is your regular Monday. Anyone experienced with women enough knows where the line is between a "convince me so I don't feel shame tomorrow, it wasn't my fault" and "Stop it you're literally raping me".

And this is why anyone who is spinning plates needs to be extremely careful in 2020 and onwards.

rubbooyuri · 2020-09-12T15:50:41+00:00

Promiscuity, by women only, was and still is considered “bad” behavior that should be punished. It’s not that hard to understand

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2020-09-12T18:32:53+00:00

Some women are so promiscuous and mentally ill that their conduct drives them to be raped more than once in a life span. I've met one of these women, she was beated and raped four times before hitting 26-27 by four different men (one of them repeatedly in the time they were in a relationship) and while I don't have reassons to doubt her story, I have all the right to question why a woman would run from a toxic relationship to another.

Is it bad luck? Is she too much emotionally unstable that she feels raped and regrets her sexual encounters everytime a relationship goes south? Is she into some BDSM fetish that makes boundaries somewhat blurry? Does she feel attracted to toxic and abusive men or psichos?

I mean, what's really going on there? If I'm going to be presented with evidence of a crime, then I want to know all the details.

Sexuality used to be a very intimate and private act back in the old days, and women veted men really hard before giving them access to their bodies. This is why men never doubted women's word, and any man acused of even touch a woman in an innapropiate manner was thrown in jail, if not hanged up, without thinking twice.

Women had boundaries before more boundaries, so this made almost imposible to sexual offenders to take advantage of some "grey" areas of the sexual mores.

Today the sexual morality has become too loose, and women indulge in casual sex with men they barely know.

It is not east to spot a sexual offender or a rapist, becouse they hide pretty well behind good men's masks. They can be a teacher, a good father, the loving old dude next door, the good looking and kind neighbour, and sometimes even good people will jump to defend them becouse hey, they are good men! They are respectable people in their communities, they are so funny and have a good social life and are hard workers and what not.

Some guys will say "probably he banged her and dumped her and she resents him for not staying around".

Look, I'm not saying men don't rape women, they do, but women are making really hard to believe them. #MeToo doesn't help, abusing the power law and feminism grant women to make rape allegations against "real" good men people like and support a lot, only to prove later that the allegations were all falsified in order to enforce some political agenda.

Also, women sexuality is heavily influenced by men in the modern world. Women ARE under the male frame more than ever.

I know men can be prone to sexual deviance, I know becouse I am, and every time a woman indulge in a man's fantasy she's submitting herself to a power play that most women don't feel confourtable with.

To put it simple, you can't let a guy you barely know to choke you and slap you with his dick and go ass to mouth and cum in your face. Girl that's not "enpowerment", that's wrong.

No wonder why women feel more and more violated day by day.

And there come the feminists saying "oh yeah but that happens only to submissive women, we feminists teach women boundaries so ONS happens when and how women want". Except everyone knows that's not what fucking happens, and specially if the girl is heavy on drug use and alcohol.

I don't think neither men are mostly abusers, in my experience most guys do with girls what they want to do and that's it, "consent" is not something inherently male and most men will never understand what "real consent" is becouse on a deep level we never feel threatened by others sexuality.

Neither is that men DON'T understand what NO means, but under some circunstances men tend to think female sexuality works the same as male, which is not the case.

"She's drunk, I'm drunk. Game" "She's sobber, I'm drunk. Game" "She's drunk, I'm sobber. Game" "She's on dope. Game"

That's how most men think. Will they buy you some shots to get in bed with you? Absolutely. Hey, we drink when we feel socially akward you know? Drinking make us men feel inhibited and we think this is a good thing, so why wouldn't we drink with a hot girl and see if she gets horny and then we fuck? Absolutely normal for us.

For women? Not so much... And I understand why could some of them feel "raped" or dirty after, or regret the act.

I understand. But I don't agree everytime with the man being a "rapist". Most men are not rapists, they are just men, and a good chunk of them don't know better.

If I was charged for rape everytime I beded a drunk girl, or everytime drugs lead me to sex, or everytime a woman told me she "regreted what we did" and that it was wrong... Damn I would still be in jail.

It took me a decade to understand some of the things I thought were just fine probably felt wrong from the other side.

So, what I mean is...

Sexual conduct matters a lot. Yes, sexual past and private life matters when It comes to these issues. And women NEED to slow down, becouse they are the ones getting hurt.

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Kaisha001 · 2020-09-12T16:20:37+00:00

So we're now basing our view of life off movies?

IRL we don't have full knowledge of the situation. If its a 'he said, she said' situation we have to take into account other factors. Things would be a lot easier if people never lied...

GGMcThroway · 2020-09-12T18:19:03+00:00

Rape is tricky because there's often not much evidence outside of "he said she said". That's why reported rapes have a less than 2% conviction rate.

ThetaOmega · 2020-09-14T20:41:01+00:00

That case you linked is missing so, so SO much context on why the judge asked that question (if the case is what i am thinking of, which I really think it is)

Why did the judge ask that question? Because she was giving her testimony about how the alleged rape occurred, where the alleged rapist had her up on a sink while raping her. The judge asked why she didn't close her legs, because he was trying to get a better understanding of exactly how this alleged rape occurred. It had ZERO to do with trying to shame her, at all.

But the media has done it's damn hardest to push the narrative that the judge was trying to shame her sexual history, and trying to victim shame her.

Holler4Heller · 2020-09-15T12:27:51+00:00

Absolutely nothing. Rape is rape and it’s bad. When it actually happens anyway.

M4sterDis4ster · 2020-09-12T16:16:43+00:00

Sexual predators predate on promiscuous women, because they are easily accessible, they are prone to alcohol, drugs, partying, ONS etc. They are the easiest and safest target.

Don´t dressed as Elk run in woods.

DerekMorganBAU · 2020-09-13T14:46:16+00:00

Because hoes lie 🤷🏿‍♂️

InterestingBudget997 · 2020-09-13T18:30:42+00:00

Just throwing it out there, but for example, if a girl likes to indulge in rape roleplay with her partners, that's a way to cast reasonable doubt

LooseIndication · 2020-09-13T04:11:11+00:00

That's because female low n-count was considered a value that the rapist ruined, aggravating the damage to the woman. So a promiscuous woman didn't had that much damage.

Now that the low n-count is not an politically correct value, rape has to be a less grave crime than at those times.

Title	Promiscuity and rape.
Author	janearcade
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Comments	259
Date	September 12, 2020 2:48 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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