RedPill catch 22

pinkgoldrose · 2018-02-02T20:09:28+00:00

It's not a catch 22 if their goal is to pump and dump.

sublimemongrel · 2018-02-03T01:18:41+00:00

If that's true, then, since men are the gatekeepers of commitment (as compared to women are the gatekeepers of sex from your scenario):

Any man that gives her commitment is not worth it, so she should next him. Any man that withholds commitment is worth it but she can't have him.

So catch-22.

So no woman should ever be committed relationship.

Thoughts?

Actanonverba11 · 2018-02-02T19:22:30+00:00

TRP isn't about finding a quality woman and LTRing her. It's primarily about getting as much sex as possible. If you do get into an LTR, TRP says to be prepared for it to end at any time, for whatever reason.

"She's never yours, it's just your turn."

wtknight · 2018-02-02T18:02:41+00:00

Yes, and?

Red Pill doesn't believe in quality women.

AWALT.

If you have a quality relationship, it is because of you putting in the effort and building the characteristics conducive to a good relationship. All women have the potential to be whorish, nagging shrews. Whether she is not or not is contingent on you, the agency-possessing man keeping her in check, holding frame, and building power.

The gun is always loaded, but it may never go off.

ThatsEnough159 · 2018-02-02T20:56:07+00:00

Well said. No "quality woman" (and I do believe there are some out there) would want a red pill man anyway because they are not quality men.

Wolvesontheloose · 2018-02-02T18:05:46+00:00

Why would you go to a dumpster looking for quality?

You go to a dumpster for the little scraps of value you might find.

SavingMasculinity · 2018-02-02T23:53:27+00:00

And quality women don't accept plate status....ever.

There is a grey area buddy. Some don't, some do.

crackrocksteady7 · 2018-02-02T18:16:32+00:00

I know redpill says quality women don't exist but that's unlikely. They are rare and not where they are looking. Probably at home reading instead at bars.

Implying intros aren't the biggest bitches of them all

thefisherman1961 · 2018-02-02T18:21:38+00:00

You fundamentally misunderstand TRP. Any women who gives you sex quickly without knowing you does not automatically make her a whore, because ALL women will have sex with a man immediately after meeting him if she finds him attractive enough. It’s just AWALT.

So a woman giving up sex for you quickly is not a reason to pump and dump her. Being unworthy of plate/FWB status the reason to pump and dump her.

Quality women don’t accept plate status

Quality women don’t go past first base before marriage. That’s called a unicorn and it doesn’t exist because it’s a romantic male fantasy.

Any woman would accept plate status for the right alpha. Women would rather share an alpha than be exclusive with a beta, no matter what they say

Taipanshimshon · 2018-02-02T18:06:09+00:00

first, what is a "quality woman"

second - you're thinking of guys trying to get laid in their teens and 20's as looking for "quality women" whereas most guys that age are trying to get "non crazy but still dtf" women.

Maikowski2 · 2018-02-02T19:18:42+00:00

Terps think any hot chick is by definition high quality. These guys are a joke. Tried to argue with one here. They have immunity to logic just like incels and feminists

aqStorm · 2018-02-02T19:23:16+00:00

A girl that makes you wait for sex is a good catch, instead of being a pussy and trying an easy fuck , should stick around and enjoy the quality.

-sybarite- · 2018-02-03T10:22:03+00:00

A woman that is noncommittal and doesn't play by his rules is a hotter/better woman than he is a man. Men will also chase the better women and get infatuated with them. These women in turn lust after hotter men. Some men rationalize that she is not fucking him, because she is ... a good girl.. or something... ? But that's because she is hot/interesting/cool/whatever.

Almost no woman is about not fucking, this is stupid. And almost no man is really about not committing. I've been fucking ugly dudes for some time now (more reliable dick than hot dudes) and they want to cuff me after 2-3 sessions. That's not magical vagina, that's them knowing they can't do better and they want to seal the deal ASAP so I won't go away. LOL at delusional males thinking they can cuff a good looking girl despite being fugly. But surprise surprise, they don't care about you being a whore, because they can't afford it. Nonono, the infatuated man walks on eggshells around this topic and this is how it should be.

Meanwhile, I am scratching the itch while going for more handsome men I can actually show off to my friends.

blackedoutfast · 2018-02-02T19:30:39+00:00

Any girl that makes him wait for sex sees him as a beta. So he should next her.

that's true. but generally i think guys tend to use 3 date rule bc shit happens. there have been times when i found out later that the girl wanted to fuck on the first date but didn't because she unexpectedly started her period that night. but if she comes up with excuses 3 times, you can be sure she sees you as a beta provider.

but...

But any girl that gives him sex quickly is a whore. So he should pump and dump her.

this is absolutely not a true assertion. this is entirely a beta viewpoint, TRP does not say that a woman is a whore if she has sex quickly.

Therefore redpillers will never have a quality woman.

completely false. if anything, TRP works better on "quality women" than it does on slutty chicks. sluts have seen it all and been pumped and dumped many times; they know how the game is played. "quality women" simply get overwhelmed by RP-type game.

PBRScagsquad · 2018-02-02T18:06:11+00:00

RP does not believe in this "high quality" women you are describing, AWALT, any woman can be hypergamous, cheat on you etc etc, always treat the gun as if it is loaded because any positive behaviour she displays is because of work you are putting in and it can disappear just as fast if you drop the ball.
Any woman will quickly have sex with a man if she finds them attractive enough, that is rather the whole point of RP, to teach men how to be that attractive guy who can make that happen. It does not make the woman a whore, it makes her a woman to them.

I think you don't really understand RP.

methylotroph · 2018-02-02T18:43:11+00:00

"Therefore redpillers will never have a quality woman." Yeah and, so? As you say if quality women exist they are at home reading instead of at bars, ergo if a tree falls in a forest and no one can hear it, does it count as a quality women?

Another way of putting it is all the quality people stay out of the dating gaming or "They stay to the side and high places of the mouse utopia and not in the mouse mush pit at the bottom" or "If you are looking on tinder for a 'soulmate' your going to have real serious problems."

alreadyredschool · 2018-02-02T19:54:22+00:00

Casual sex for fucks sake, why do people not understand that.

I can't fuck her college degree, her wishes and aspiration.

A quality girl means a smoking hot body.

You really don't understand why we next women that make us wait and you don't understand why we pump n dump. That's the fundamental problem in your thought process. You next a girl because she wastes your time, so you go to the next one and fuck her, then you dump her. Pump n dump is the goal for fucks sake. How can one not get that? Why did you think it was a good idea to criticize what you don't understand? You are just being ignorant.

notworthmuch20xx · 2018-02-02T20:59:22+00:00

I know redpill says quality women don't exist but that's unlikely.

Is it

HumanSockPuppet · 2018-02-03T04:58:02+00:00

But any girl that gives him sex quickly is a whore. So he should pump and dump her.

Who was it exactly that said this?

AstuteBlackMan · 2018-02-03T17:37:18+00:00

Red Pill says quality women don't exist? Or does red pill say women have a distinct common nature and pattern?

Also, a lot of these men's goals are to pump and dump. They don't call women whores for having sex they call women whores who lie and manipulate and act like they don't have much sex.

passepar2t · 2018-02-02T20:49:57+00:00

And quality women don't accept plate status....ever.

Disagreed. You'd be shocked at how many beautiful, intelligent, accomplished, culturally aware, even world-class women are willing to be a plate of someone with high enough status.

[deleted] · 2018-02-02T18:56:59+00:00

quality

woman

Pick one.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-02-02T22:30:11+00:00

A "quality girl" from the man's perspective is a hot girl who sucks his dick.

This notion that "quality girls" make men wait for sex is wrong on so many levels.

Men wait because they're weak. It doesn't have anything to do with the woman.

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JustAnotherOmegaMale · 2018-02-02T21:30:57+00:00

According to the red pill, quality women don't exist. So there's no use looking for one.

mistercheeez-o____O- · 2018-02-02T23:42:28+00:00

I don't like to play games, and I don't like to be toyed with. So where's my flippin' pill? lol I'm not opposed to a bit of banter, but a whole lot of this "game", that men and women do to each other is needlessly self-destructive. You're just piling on more potential baggage for an eventual relationship that you're not even sure will happen yet. Seems unstable, I don't like unstable, because unstable is a waste of time and energy better spent on acquisition and accomplishing life goals. Anyway, a good woman is one who is loyal to you and your relationship, want's to accommodate your needs and desires (if they're reasonable), expects the same from you in return, and compels you to do the same in return due to her exemplary behaviour. Simple as.

I'm not sure if that individual woman and I, would end up in bed on the first night or not. It may not even be relevant eh?
I don't think there's a pill for that..cheers

GermanEgo · 2018-02-03T00:15:28+00:00

If that reminded you of TRP why would they join TRP?

"Any club that would let me be a member, I wouldn't want to join?"

like how do u not see that part, you are trying to see everything you hate in everything you can insult and its pathetic

rainisthelife · 2018-02-03T05:15:43+00:00

A high quality woman is one that makes sure she secures commitment either before or while she’s giving away sex. There really isn’t much else to it. And the best way to do this is to make the man wait for sex. Most men, and yes even high value ones, do not commit to women that they did not put in effort to be able to get into bed. They do not respect her or think she’s worth it, and so they will not commit to her. It’s the same reason why they do not routinely commit to sluts. And since commitment is what most high quality women actually care about, all the RP tropes on how a high quality woman is one that gives him sex and blowjobs is useless to women. If he’s not giving her the commitment that she wants, he’s a waste of space and de-facto useless.

Men will try to convince women otherwise because it fits their agenda and their sexual strategy. A lot of RP men aren’t looking for women to have relationships with, as they just want to get laid, and so they despise and resent the high quality woman that makes them wait or requests some kind of commitment first, especially if she’s attractive. They may call her entitled for wanting commitment in exchange for sex, when hypocritically they do not think that it’s entitled to want sex without giving back anything. A high quality woman knows better and dismisses these statements and these notions as the silly distractors that they are. And for the man that’s open to a relationship, using these tactics increases their respect for her and puts her in the LTR category. Which is pretty much all she cares about, so win-win.

SirNemesis · 2018-02-03T08:20:28+00:00

I know redpill says quality women don't exist but that's unlikely. They are rare and not where they are looking. Probably at home reading instead at bars.

Well I'm not a burglar, so these women are outside my dating pool.

Jammerly1 · 2018-02-03T15:53:10+00:00

Trying to point out all the ways TRPs are hypocrites could take weeks.

Whisper · 2018-02-03T18:34:30+00:00

But any girl that gives him sex quickly is a whore.

[citation needed]

washington_breadstix · 2018-02-04T00:34:46+00:00

You're assuming that red pill men think that "whores" or "sluts" are bad. They don't. If the point of red pill philosophy is to get as much casual sex as possible, then obviously there have to be women around who are willing to have casual sex. I once heard it summed up very well as follows: "I love the cock carousel as long as I'm one of the cocks on it!"

Willow-girl · 2018-02-04T01:23:56+00:00

And quality women don't accept plate status....ever.

A woman has needs, you know! lol

Nordicflame · 2018-02-04T05:39:24+00:00

But that is the thing about redpillers, they want to pump and dump. Also by using manipulation and trickery they can make some poor girl think she is in a serious relationship. That is why so many people are calling out redpill behaviour, it is so abusive

thefisherman1961 · 2018-02-04T14:02:55+00:00

Lol now you’re just adding variables because you know that your original notion about male romantic fantasy was absolutely bogus.

No I’m not, my original point stands.

Also, most men do not have rotating plates on the side. And so no, most men would not be willing to wait years for sex with his woman.

That’s why it’s called a fantasy.

Do yourself and the rest of the world a favor today and open up your dictionary and look up the word ‘strawman’.

I know exactly what it means. You refuted an argument that I never made in the first place

Just because RP has given you a new catchy phrase does not mean that it applies to every argument your encounter in your life.

Gibberish.

You’re truly dense if you think that it’s women’s fault that their bodies are physically wrecked during pregnancy and childbirth. Or because they didn’t take care of themselves enough. Honestly, what kind of fool has such little knowledge of the female anatomy that he’s able to come up with verbal diarrhea like this? I truly weep for the intellectual future of our people.

There are plenty of women out there who have given birth multiple times and still have fantastic looking bodies.

It’s not about them getting back into shape. No matter how much an over 35 woman that has given birth to 3 kids gets back into shape, she will rarely ever have the body of the 18, 19 or early 20 year old women that their husbands were pining over. And given the pressure on women to keep themselves in shape and the absence of the obesity crises that is perverse in our culture now, those wives were actually most likely to have been in shape. But the male greed for always wanting more and never being satisfied caused them to disrespect their wives and now karma has come to bite them in their collective asses. Good.

Newsflash: people are greedy and find young adults more attractive than middle aged adults. That’s like being mad at the sky for being blue. You’re just a bitter misandrist and want to blame all of that on men despite the fact that it clearly equally applies to women as well.

Plus claiming that I’m defending fat people being lazy and not taking care of themselves is a shitshow of a strawman (actual applicable use of the word) that you constructed on your own. And a pretty stupid one at that.

Not a straw man. You said it’s not a woman’s fault that her body gets wrecked from childbirth. You’re wrong because being fat is a choice. Saying it’s not a choice is defending fat people being too lazy to take care of their bodies.

Why don’t you cry some more about how you’re the victim? Pathetic.

Never said I was a victim. You’re fabricating again

Listen, if you’re not able to form cogent rebuttals, then just say that you’re not able to form cogent rebuttals and tuck your tail in between your legs with the little dignity you had left, instead of embarrassing yourself like you’ve done here. .

Still waiting for your example from TRP sidebar that blames women for something. You still haven’t produced it. Why? Is it because you’re full of shit?

You’re a living, breathing evidence that men aren’t worth shit. Bravo

Blatant misandry

PowderedButtcheeks · 2018-02-04T19:30:07+00:00

You mean, that the baby mens of trp and their stupid philosophy of regarding women as commodities, whore or chaste, plates and other inanimate objects often leaves them sans relationship in the end, and it was all their doing? You don't say...

newName543456 · 2018-02-05T08:28:32+00:00

How do you define "quality woman" anyway?

Also:

Therefore redpillers will never have a quality woman.

Huh?

Last time I checked, women aren't possessions. So who actually has women? Female slave owner?

sivarias · 2018-02-05T16:46:24+00:00

It's been said down below but I'll repeat. Red Pill is about getting a large quantity of sex. It's not about finding a quality LTR partner. You are thinking of RedPillWoman and assume the men are doing the same (they really REALLY aren't. Not even close.)

[deleted] · 2018-02-02T19:47:21+00:00

Any girl that makes him wait for sex sees him as a beta.

Yes. But that she sees the beta in him does not mean she sees no alpha qualities.

So he should next her.

I would. But I know that I could get more impatient lust from another girl like her.

But any girl that gives him sex quickly is a whore. So he should pump and dump her.

You got RP fucked up. She's not a whore, she's easy. For me, specifically. And it's because I'm that hot shit. Not to mention All Women Are Like That, so she's definitely still in the running for a good relationship.

And one last thing, a lost piece of RP wisdom. Unicorns are made, not found. My girl's perfect because I let her be. You know that happy life, happy wife shit? It's true if you understand it. My girl's happy and fun because I keep her in my happy and fun frame. She'd also be a total nightmare for a lesser man. Because people tend to do what people tend to do under given circumstances, that's what AWALT means.

stats135 · 2018-02-02T21:52:38+00:00

he refused to sleep with a girl he regarded as a whore.

This is where yo go wrong. As long as she is hot, whether she is a whore or not, men will want to fuck her. And so your whole argument hinges on what you define as "high quality" women. As far as I'm concerned, high quality women are not some women I have to try to keep, but a women that actively tries to please and keep me.

It reminds me of a cheesy pickup line that goes alone the line of "I'll buy you dinner, if you make me breakfast.". A high quality women would make me breakfast after a long night of sex and constantly keeps my belly full and my balls empty in an effort to keep me with her. A low quality women will wake up the next day expecting me to do things to try to keep her. A quality women won't ask you for your money or your time. Bloopers might call these types of women "low self-esteem." What I call these women are low-maintenance high-quality women.

Title	RedPill catch 22
Author	RageQuitNoRespawn
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Date	February 2, 2018 5:56 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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