Unless there are DEEP cultural differences (which is doubtful), “Western women” are fine

BadSpanglish2 · 2023-01-27T21:37:24+00:00

Not a full disagreement; but amongst my friend group the issue seems to be politics. Many of my well educated, financially secure male friends are naturally conservatives (typically fiscal conservative and not caring either way about the social issues). However, many of the western women I have met, now seem to see treat any conservative politics as a red flag. Personally i think it's due to the politicisation of abortion in America and #metoo. They're welcome to their politics but as it stands I am now part of an extended friend group of successful white guys and Asian / Indian girls.

redditthrowaway1478 · 2023-01-27T23:37:59+00:00

Why the specific focus on wrstern women recently?

For a guy who gets redpilled, there is something far more horrorifying than realizing he has wasted the last decade or more of his life believing the wrong information. More horrifying than realizing that multiple generations of men before him have been duped, even.

It is the realization that some of the most trusted people in your life - your government, your fellow countryMEN, The girls at school, in your neighborhood, your own sisters and mother ... all were actively perpetuating the very lie you lived. They nurtured the conditions that contributed to your pain and subsequent detachment from reality. And they did nothing to help you. They would have let you drown and say it was your own fault.

Women in the west have had 60+ years and multiple generations to adjust to the new world, often under the guidance of other women before them. The red pill has really only been around for 10 years, and only since the pandemic has it gained popularity. Today's men can find out in a matter of hours if they read fast enough. And they do this isolated. What could possibly go wrong?

"Et tu brute?"

tropicalazul · 2023-01-27T23:47:27+00:00

When people are talking about "Western" women, do they mean white women? Because the way people here talk about women, it's mostly the way I see white girls behave, not the rest. I mean yes, you have women of other backgrounds who do similar things, but in my life, I have never met more entitled women than white women. I've heard and seen my white female friends do everything white men do, they're no different. They sleep around, they expect a lot more than they want to give, they talk down about WOC.

But IMO, all you guys who go only for white western girls are just feeding their egos when you say racist things to them, so I also honestly don't fully blame the 45 year old white girls who genuinely think they're hotter than they were at 25. Their egos are fuelled by you guys lol, you made your bed, so lie in it.

RGL137 · 2023-01-28T02:47:29+00:00

They’re fat.

Gari_305 · 2023-01-28T11:36:47+00:00

So what is the specific problem? What are the characteristics and behaviors that are so ingrained by virtue of simply being from "The West" that you couldn't find the opposite down the street?

Western Women are masculine

Western Women are fat

Sizable amount of Western women will single by 2030

Based on Census Bureau historical data and Morgan Stanley forecasts, 45% of prime working age women (ages 25-44) will be single by 2030—the largest share in history—up from 41% in 2018.

Foreign women are more feminine

And now that theMen are leaving in mass numbers western women are getting mad about it

Thus u/TotalTravesty this is the main issue with western women

wtknight · 2023-01-27T23:17:55+00:00

The biggest problem with western women is that they have higher standards for a man than a woman from a poorer country is going to have. A lot of modern men have problems meeting these standards.

divCal · 2023-01-27T21:32:47+00:00

You have to understand most of the resentment here comes from the fact that these men are being rejected by Western women... so easier to hate on the . Add it with the fact that a lot of folks here think that as soon as you enter a foreign country all woman within a ten mile radius start bowing to white dick because they are oh so feminine and submissive good little women not like bad Western women who won't give me a chance it makes sense that they start idealizing foreign women. It's a weird form of Madonna - Whore complex.

feanoric · 2023-01-27T21:28:46+00:00

Western women are OK as people and as individuals, but the main problem is that they still expect men to be provider or earn more than them, or do it all on dating, while they expect equality when convenient.

The market is correcting by men just looking for women in foreign countries. Western Women are also OK staying alone and childless. So in a sense every gender is coping its own way and looking for his/her own interests, and they get the happiest they can in their own situations and given the dating market situation, so it is OK.

John_Oakman · 2023-01-27T21:51:50+00:00

Having seen both Chinese (pre-1990s gen mainland, and immigrant communities) and American (lower/continental 48) cultures, I would say that Chinese tend to be far more materialistic, but said materialism tend to be combined with very long term planning and motivation.

What this means that many Chinese are willing to tolerate a lot of short term discomfort and make sacrifices (the term 吃苦 comes to mind) for a long term payoff, and said payoff might be generations down the line (almost in the abstract). Also moral & ideological virtues tend to be thrown under the bus quickly, especially if it brings nothing to the table. Meanwhile I seen many Americans tend to hold their moral/ideological virtues near and dear, even at the expense of forgoing material benefits. Also long term planning tend to be not there (usually justified with the notion that there won't be anything there anyways by that time in the future).

Of course the other side looks like some horror show, but that's the nature of the unfamiliar...

pileofmulch · 2023-01-27T22:43:04+00:00

Everyone ( but men in this context) have to find a reason why they aren’t the problem- it’s human nature

obviousredflag · 2023-01-27T21:26:22+00:00

It's easier to say there is an issue with THEM than to realize there is an issue with YOU, that makes your dating life so miserable.

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-01-27T22:11:42+00:00

There is nothing wrong with western women

What is the problem is how social media, feminism, and dating apps have made their biological nature worse

Safinated · 2023-01-27T22:35:20+00:00

I believe the men who think that western women are not suitable for them are totally correct

Affectionate_Pen_623 · 2023-01-28T08:53:06+00:00

Despite being one of those critical or western women, I've spent the last few years in a relationship with a western women and don't think I could sate one outside that cultural boundary. I don't think western women are inherently bad but I do think there are a lot of cultural hypocrisy which is amplifying the resentment among western men. Someone mentioned the metoo movement and I actually feel that was a decent example. We saw many women using the fallout over Harvey Weinsteins predatory behaviour as a beacon to highlight harassment, sexual assault and consent. However I think what really irked a lot of men was highlighted in that "I would like to thank Harvey Weinstein" video you can find now on YouTube.

You see, for all the campaigns and rhetoric, it turned out that Weinstein was being worshipped and protected by the very same people now preaching about a need for change. I think stuff like that kinda rubbed a lot of men up the wrong way. If you're a wealthy/good looking man you really do have a lot of leeway to do what u like. There is so much opportunity to exploit and its kind of ironic doing so with the very people who claim that progressive values and mutual respect are essential.

idontfeeeltardy · 2023-01-28T15:23:00+00:00

They are more masculine. That is unattractive to many men for obvious reasons.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/200908/why-modern-women-behave-more-men

We live in a culture that tells women they can't do anything wrong. That obesity is beautiful or positive and that wearing sheer yoga pants that look like it was spraypainted on is what has become of a sense of fashion for many women.

Many are hypocritical. They want all the benefits of equality and none of the responsibilities. Men are expected to be chivalrous and traditional in some cases, like approaching women and paying and planning dates

YuekiXC · 2023-01-27T23:08:35+00:00

Just copying and pasting my response from another post.

This is an opinion coming from a Korean dude, so I definitely don't have those rose tinted glasses that a lot of my white bros have when talking about geomaxxing/passporting up.

No matter where you go on this earth, women will always be women. It's just the cultures that add the main differences in personality and interaction with other human beings. If you're trying to move to another country with the sole purpose of having sex with a women or start a family with another women who you have no cultural or language connection to, you're going to be fucked and that's on you.

Sure, your retired 60-70 year old white boomer/millennial might get a lay here and there due to his fat wallet, but those women don't love him. No matter what, never end up like those dudes. You'll notice a common pattern with them: fat, rich, ignorant of the culture around him, etc.

Now, when I said, "If you're trying to move to another country with the sole purpose of having sex with a women or start a family with another women," notice how I mentioned after that sentence that I said "who you have no cultural or language connection to," that means that if you want to really pick your life up just to start a family, put the work in to learn the culture, language, environment, of where you'll be moving to.

For reference, this is what I'll be doing.

I've have mostly given up on dating American women, especially Asian American women, due to factors such as political differences and the general whitewashing that most American women have (nothing against my white bros, it just means I have an extreme disadvantage in the dating game here in the US, which I don't want to be fighting). Statistically and realistically, I have a way better chance in Korea that I will ever have here in the US.
Get my Korean citizenship back, as I had to get rid of it or serve in the ROK army. I'm already on track as I've already passed my TOPIK exam and submitted my packet to the embassy.
Work for a company in the US and try to join a branch somewhere in Korea. I'm trying to move my mom back to Korea either way, so my goal to find a non western woman somewhere else lines up perfectly with that goal.
See where life takes me once I have a residence in Korea.

At the end of the day though, the common things needed to get a women in this world applies everywhere. Workout, be extroverted when you need to be, don't be a walk over mat, and have good chemistry with the women you want. Good luck to all my bros looking to move overseas and I hope that you get the women of your dreams 🥂

Capeninja · 2023-01-27T22:02:24+00:00

So I'm not seeing how people (especially "Western men") can find so many of them so undateable that they're going to cut off half the world as a potential dating pool and try their luck in a whole new society where, in many cases, they're the foreigner.

Because on average Western women are less traditionally feminine and thin than non-Western women, while also having higher physical standards and more confusing social expectations than them.

The latter point means some of the men who want to date one can't, while the former point means some of the men who can date one don't consider it worth the effort. That doesn't mean anything's wrong with the women, it's just how the culture plays out.

Everyone is unique and the above descriptions don't apply to all Western women, but for men who have to play the numbers game, averages mean a lot. And it's all just about dating; none of this stuff makes Western women bad people.

West-Ad-9697 · 2023-01-27T21:42:00+00:00

If a guy is not getting it up after 2 years what does a western woman do?

If a western woman isn't getting the tingles for her man anymore, how does she address this?

I can do on and on, guy is unambitious, gal is bored, guy is fat, gal is fat... pick any topic and have a look at how horribly unilateral and outright hateful towards men our culture frames any issues women might be facing?

From the perspective of less "liberal" women - not my perspective - western women are childish that have no idea how much power they actually have over men and in their relationship. They are genuinely befuddled why they let insecure, hurt women dominate the field of what it means to be a woman in the west.

Birb-brained · 2023-01-27T21:25:10+00:00

I’ve no idea. All my friends/family are fine. I get there’s more of a drinking/partying culture here maybe, and that might not suit everyone, but you don’t have to take part in it if you don’t want to.

Blue_Robin_04 · 2023-01-27T21:53:46+00:00

I think the fact that there are so many different types, compared to the more traditional, less varied standards of poorer and less liberal countries makes western women stick out. Also, people, men and women, are becoming more open to all kinds of open sexual matters and less interested in starting an honest family when they're young. We know this. The movement is growing in one direction and not the other.

_ModusPwnens_ · 2023-01-28T00:00:29+00:00

They are promiscuous relative to non western women. That's most of it.

Constant_Ad6906 · 2023-01-27T22:38:38+00:00

Western women only want the 6 6s none of which i have unfortunately 😕.

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No-Rough-7390 · 2023-01-28T14:33:56+00:00

Just don’t take them too seriously and they are fun.

OptimistInHell · 2023-01-28T18:07:30+00:00

The amount of overthink jfc

EventSea8621 · 2023-01-28T19:45:55+00:00

disagree, west is way too polarised on everything, politics, dating etc.

Also birth rates in the west are plummeting, moral degeneracy has increased aswell as violent crime as a i result of immigration + more people with mental health issues.

These problems arent nearly as pronounced in non western countries with the exception of birth rates which seem to be falling everywhere.

Rexagon_2017 · 2023-01-29T20:36:55+00:00

I've found that I prefer Mediterranean women. My last crush was on a beautiful Turkish woman. Her hair was curly and brown, and caught the light so well. Her eyes were like amber.

She dressed well too, and she was very kind.

Title	Unless there are DEEP cultural differences (which is doubtful), “Western women” are fine
Author	TotalTravesty
Upvotes	8
Comments	65
Date	January 27, 2023 9:15 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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